[FairfieldLife] Re: Charlie Lutes' explanation on why people are gay
Homophobia... isn't that the fear of getting caught using your
imagination in a way that could get you branded odd?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, do.rflex do.rf...@... wrote:
In my years of working for Charlie he was occasionally asked why
people are gay. And while Charlie was a bit of a homophobe himself,
he
made it clear that the soul is without gender and incarnates into
the
world of polarities via either a male or female body.
He also added that in order to fathom the range of human experience
and to learn the 'lessons of life' as he put it, the soul often
changes the gender of the body it uses for this to happen.
He made it clear that when this change happens, the person who was
previously, for example, a man, may now have the body of a woman but
can and often does retain the desires of the man they were - and
vice-versa. ---
This isn't something limited to the views of Charlie. That the soul
is
without gender is a common understanding. And that the soul
incarnates
into bodies of both genders is also commonly understood. {Even the
Hindu gods are found in the literature to have occasionally changed
gender.]
That people retain their desires from a previous gender is no
surprise, and neither is it a 'sin' worthy of death as Billy G and
other homophobic bigots are eager to proclaim.
---
You have taken on the human form to gain Divine Mind through
knowledge and experience in the field of combined opposites.
~~ Charlie Lutes
[FairfieldLife] Re: Charlie Lutes' explanation on why people are gay
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, do.rflex do.rf...@... wrote:
In my years of working for Charlie he was occasionally asked why
people are gay. And while Charlie was a bit of a homophobe himself, he
made it clear that the soul is without gender and incarnates into the
world of polarities via either a male or female body.
He also added that in order to fathom the range of human experience
and to learn the 'lessons of life' as he put it, the soul often
changes the gender of the body it uses for this to happen.
He made it clear that when this change happens, the person who was
previously, for example, a man, may now have the body of a woman but
can and often does retain the desires of the man they were - and
vice-versa. ---
This isn't something limited to the views of Charlie. That the soul is
without gender is a common understanding. And that the soul incarnates
into bodies of both genders is also commonly understood. {Even the
Hindu gods are found in the literature to have occasionally changed
gender.]
That people retain their desires from a previous gender is no
surprise, and neither is it a 'sin' worthy of death as Billy G and
other homophobic bigots are eager to proclaim.
I was merely relating the story of Sodom and Gomorrah and the
ramifications of licentiousness on a grand scale as stated in the
Bible. You are being judgmental by calling me a homophobe.
You have taken on the human form to gain Divine Mind through
knowledge and experience in the field of combined opposites.
~~ Charlie Lutes
You left out the part about the ideal (according to Charlie) is one
should change sexes every 3 lifetimes, if you don't and stubbornly
refuse to be reborn as the opposite sex you're reborn, a little light
in the loafers as he put it.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Charlie Lutes' explanation on why people are gay
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, BillyG. wg...@... wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, do.rflex do.rflex@ wrote:
In my years of working for Charlie he was occasionally asked why
people are gay. And while Charlie was a bit of a homophobe himself, he
made it clear that the soul is without gender and incarnates into the
world of polarities via either a male or female body.
He also added that in order to fathom the range of human experience
and to learn the 'lessons of life' as he put it, the soul often
changes the gender of the body it uses for this to happen.
He made it clear that when this change happens, the person who was
previously, for example, a man, may now have the body of a woman but
can and often does retain the desires of the man they were - and
vice-versa. ---
This isn't something limited to the views of Charlie. That the soul is
without gender is a common understanding. And that the soul incarnates
into bodies of both genders is also commonly understood. {Even the
Hindu gods are found in the literature to have occasionally changed
gender.]
That people retain their desires from a previous gender is no
surprise, and neither is it a 'sin' worthy of death as Billy G and
other homophobic bigots are eager to proclaim.
I was merely relating the story of Sodom and Gomorrah and the
ramifications of licentiousness on a grand scale as stated in the
Bible. You are being judgmental by calling me a homophobe.
That's because you applied those judgments to all gays. Duh. Your own
words show that you are indeed homophobic, Billy G. You've repeatedly
condemned gays for just being gays. That's bigotry.
You have taken on the human form to gain Divine Mind through
knowledge and experience in the field of combined opposites.
~~ Charlie Lutes
You left out the part about the ideal (according to Charlie) is one
should change sexes every 3 lifetimes, if you don't and stubbornly
refuse to be reborn as the opposite sex you're reborn, a little light
in the loafers as he put it.
Looks to me that you made up that last part about 'stubbornly refusing
to be reborn as the opposite sex.' I never heard him say any such thing.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Charlie Lutes' explanation on why people are gay
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Paul Mason premanandp...@...
wrote:
Homophobia... isn't that the fear of getting caught using your
imagination in a way that could get you branded odd?
I'd say that's a common reason. Also, studies have shown that
gay-bashing homophobes are often found to be latent homosexuals
themselves. They overcompensate and attempt to hide it by attacking
gays because they're terrified of their own feelings and being exposed.
Prominent gay-bashers are sometimes found in 'difficult to explain'
circumstances. Here are a few names that come to mind:
Mark Foley, Ted Haggard, Larry Craig - and here's a good one:
Troy King, Alabama's Attorney General as well as the chairman of John
McCain's Alabama Leadership Team was reportedly caught by his wife in
their bed with naturally another man:
King, a conservative Republican Christian who has called
homosexuality the 'downfall of society,' has been caught with his
pants down literally in a gay sex scandal. King was reportedly
nabbed having sex with a male assistant by his wife, Paige King, in
the couple's own bed.
http://tinyurl.com/6jsmv8
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, do.rflex do.rflex@ wrote:
In my years of working for Charlie he was occasionally asked why
people are gay. And while Charlie was a bit of a homophobe himself,
he
made it clear that the soul is without gender and incarnates into
the
world of polarities via either a male or female body.
He also added that in order to fathom the range of human experience
and to learn the 'lessons of life' as he put it, the soul often
changes the gender of the body it uses for this to happen.
He made it clear that when this change happens, the person who was
previously, for example, a man, may now have the body of a woman but
can and often does retain the desires of the man they were - and
vice-versa. ---
This isn't something limited to the views of Charlie. That the soul
is
without gender is a common understanding. And that the soul
incarnates
into bodies of both genders is also commonly understood. {Even the
Hindu gods are found in the literature to have occasionally changed
gender.]
That people retain their desires from a previous gender is no
surprise, and neither is it a 'sin' worthy of death as Billy G and
other homophobic bigots are eager to proclaim.
---
You have taken on the human form to gain Divine Mind through
knowledge and experience in the field of combined opposites.
~~ Charlie Lutes
[FairfieldLife] Re: Charlie Lutes' explanation on why people are gay
And that the soul incarnates
into bodies of both genders is also commonly understood. {Even the
Hindu gods are found in the literature to have occasionally changed
gender.]
The most interesting take on this one in Hindu/Vedic literature is a
story in the Yoga Vashista. A king and queen decide to get into
spiritual pursuits and the queen gets to UC pretty quick. The king
will have nothing of it and wanders off into the forest for a few
decades of austerities. A few decades later the queen reckons he might
be ready for some instruction, but knowing he won't listen to a woman,
she disguises herself as a celibate monk. After some detailed
instruction on what's what he gets enlightened, and then the queen
starts thinking, hold on this guy is my husband and we haven't had it
for years So she goes through a big rigmarole of changing sex every
night so the king can hump the celibate monk he's met in the forest,
while in UC. Real soap opera stuff and calculated to break the
boundaries of people who think in conventional ways about what's
spiritual.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Charlie Lutes' explanation on why people are gay
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, gullible fool ffl...@... wrote: Not what Charlie told me. He said in a lecture I was at that men were gay because they were supposed to incarnate as a woman and insisted on being a man. A friend in ff once told me he also denied ever saying get on the round ones, don't get on the cigar-shaped ones!, but he clearly said that in one of the two of his lectures I was at. It's clear that apart from what Charlie has said that it's a common understanding that on the evolutionary path the genderless soul uses bodies of both male and female. It's no stretch to assume that shifting from one to another can be accompanied by desires from the previous gender. In any case, to consider it somehow evil and deserving of death when it happens is ridiculous. Apparently, [depending on the sources], around 2% to 7% of the population is gay - a substantial number of human beings.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Charlie Lutes' explanation on why people are gay
An interesting factoid to add is the Ramtha followers believe a soul incarnates into the same gender pretty much exclusively. The very few who cross over into the opposite gender when they should not be doing such an abhorrent thing are called crossovers and looked at with disdain. Love will swallow you, eat you up completely, until there is no `you,' only love. - Amma --- On Wed, 12/24/08, do.rflex do.rf...@yahoo.com wrote: From: do.rflex do.rf...@yahoo.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Charlie Lutes' explanation on why people are gay To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, December 24, 2008, 2:31 PM --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, gullible fool ffl...@... wrote: Not what Charlie told me. He said in a lecture I was at that men were gay because they were supposed to incarnate as a woman and insisted on being a man. A friend in ff once told me he also denied ever saying get on the round ones, don't get on the cigar-shaped ones!, but he clearly said that in one of the two of his lectures I was at. It's clear that apart from what Charlie has said that it's a common understanding that on the evolutionary path the genderless soul uses bodies of both male and female. It's no stretch to assume that shifting from one to another can be accompanied by desires from the previous gender. In any case, to consider it somehow evil and deserving of death when it happens is ridiculous. Apparently, [depending on the sources], around 2% to 7% of the population is gay - a substantial number of human beings. To subscribe, send a message to: fairfieldlife-subscr...@yahoogroups.com Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!'Yahoo! Groups Links
[FairfieldLife] Re: Charlie Lutes' explanation on why people are gay
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, guyfawkes91 guyfawke...@...
wrote:
And that the soul incarnates
into bodies of both genders is also commonly understood. {Even the
Hindu gods are found in the literature to have occasionally
changed
gender.]
The most interesting take on this one in Hindu/Vedic literature is a
story in the Yoga Vashista. A king and queen decide to get into
spiritual pursuits and the queen gets to UC pretty quick. The king
will have nothing of it and wanders off into the forest for a few
decades of austerities. A few decades later the queen reckons he
might
be ready for some instruction, but knowing he won't listen to a
woman,
she disguises herself as a celibate monk. After some detailed
instruction on what's what he gets enlightened, and then the queen
starts thinking, hold on this guy is my husband and we haven't had
it
for years So she goes through a big rigmarole of changing sex every
night so the king can hump the celibate monk he's met in the forest,
while in UC. Real soap opera stuff and calculated to break the
boundaries of people who think in conventional ways about what's
spiritual.
Not the Rig Veda.
Not the Sama Veda.
It's the Larry Flynt Veda, wrapped in brown paper and available at
the back of your local newsstand.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Charlie Lutes' explanation on why people are gay
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, do.rflex do.rf...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, gullible fool fflmod@ wrote: Not what Charlie told me. He said in a lecture I was at that men were gay because they were supposed to incarnate as a woman and insisted on being a man. A friend in ff once told me he also denied ever saying get on the round ones, don't get on the cigar-shaped ones!, but he clearly said that in one of the two of his lectures I was at. It's clear that apart from what Charlie has said that it's a common understanding that on the evolutionary path the genderless soul uses bodies of both male and female. It's no stretch to assume that shifting from one to another can be accompanied by desires from the previous gender. Bongo: Sorry to burst your bubble but you've mixed up your spiritual anecdotes with an episode from the original Star Trek series. That was Captain Kirk who found himself trapped in the body of a gorgeous blond on some outer planet in a remote solar system. In any case, to consider it somehow evil and deserving of death when it happens is ridiculous. Apparently, [depending on the sources], around 2% to 7% of the population is gay - a substantial number of human beings.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Charlie Lutes' explanation on why people are gay
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, gullible fool ffl...@... wrote: An interesting factoid to add is the Ramtha followers believe a soul incarnates into the same gender pretty much exclusively. The very few who cross over into the opposite gender when they should not be doing such an abhorrent thing are called crossovers and looked at with disdain. Fortunately for them, there was that precedent-setting Supreme Court decision Brown v. Kansas Board of Education which ruled that discrimination against crossovers was covered under the equality guarantees under the first amendment. I heard that, as a result, the Ramtha hierarchy had to pay some undisclosed amount in a class action suit brought by a whole score of put-upon crossovers who had been treated unfairly by their organisation. Love will swallow you, eat you up completely, until there is no `you,' only love. - Amma --- On Wed, 12/24/08, do.rflex do.rf...@... wrote: From: do.rflex do.rf...@... Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Charlie Lutes' explanation on why people are gay To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, December 24, 2008, 2:31 PM --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, gullible fool fflmod@ wrote: Not what Charlie told me. He said in a lecture I was at that men were gay because they were supposed to incarnate as a woman and insisted on being a man. A friend in ff once told me he also denied ever saying get on the round ones, don't get on the cigar-shaped ones!, but he clearly said that in one of the two of his lectures I was at. It's clear that apart from what Charlie has said that it's a common understanding that on the evolutionary path the genderless soul uses bodies of both male and female. It's no stretch to assume that shifting from one to another can be accompanied by desires from the previous gender. In any case, to consider it somehow evil and deserving of death when it happens is ridiculous. Apparently, [depending on the sources], around 2% to 7% of the population is gay - a substantial number of human beings. To subscribe, send a message to: fairfieldlife-subscr...@yahoogroups.com Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!'Yahoo! Groups Links
