Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Empathy versus cruelty

2014-02-22 Thread jedi_spock
On 2/21/2014 8:49 PM, awoelflebater@... mailto:awoelflebater@... wrote: In fact, you are trying your damnedest to reveal the dirty secrets of the bamboozlers. --- WillyTex punditster@... wrote: It sounds to me like I am being bamboozled into believing that what works for me

Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Empathy versus cruelty

2014-02-22 Thread awoelflebater
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jedi_spock@... wrote: On 2/21/2014 8:49 PM, awoelflebater@... mailto:awoelflebater@... wrote: In fact, you are trying your damnedest to reveal the dirty secrets of the bamboozlers. --- WillyTex punditster@... wrote: It sounds to me like I

Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Empathy versus cruelty

2014-02-22 Thread Michael Jackson
: [FairfieldLife] RE: Empathy versus cruelty To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Saturday, February 22, 2014, 5:15 AM   Yep, lots and lots of distractions and addictions, some very pervasive, like the materialist illusion you

Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Empathy versus cruelty

2014-02-22 Thread doctordumbass
Oh, it is definitely a plague of near infinite proportions, TMers or not. But, to mix metaphors, there are definitely cracks in the wall these days, allowing people to find liberation, partial or total, more easily. I remember (squints eyes, strokes chin) when the equivalent of the Internet,

Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Empathy versus cruelty

2014-02-22 Thread Richard J. Williams
On 2/22/2014 8:44 AM, Michael Jackson wrote: they refuse to see the obvious. That's a lot of smart people that gotbamboozled. What is the secret that you know that they don't? Is there ANYTHING you can post that would prove you're smarter than an average fifth-grader? List of people who have

Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Empathy versus cruelty

2014-02-22 Thread Michael Jackson
Post a list of all those who quit TM and I'll read it. On Sat, 2/22/14, Richard J. Williams pundits...@gmail.com wrote: Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Empathy versus cruelty To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Saturday, February 22, 2014, 3

Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Empathy versus cruelty

2014-02-22 Thread Richard J. Williams
On 2/22/2014 9:19 AM, Michael Jackson wrote: Post a list of all those who quit TM and I'll read it. So, how do supposed that everyone on this list got bamboozled? You are not doing a good job of convincing anyone that basic TM doesn't work. You're just being negative - it's not difficult to

Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Empathy versus cruelty

2014-02-22 Thread Richard J. Williams
On 2/21/2014 9:25 PM, awoelfleba...@yahoo.com wrote: Isn't that the equivalent of the Texas Olympics? From football to track, university athletics teams have earned more than 40 national championships. Current and former University of Texas at Austin athletes have won 88 Olympic medals,

Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Empathy versus cruelty

2014-02-22 Thread doctordumbass
@... wrote: Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Empathy versus cruelty To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Saturday, February 22, 2014, 3:12 PM On 2/22/2014 8:44 AM, Michael Jackson wrote: they refuse

Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Empathy versus cruelty

2014-02-22 Thread awoelflebater
@... mailto:doctordumbass@... doctordumbass@... mailto:doctordumbass@... wrote: Subject: [FairfieldLife] RE: Empathy versus cruelty To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Saturday, February 22, 2014, 5:15 AM

Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Empathy versus cruelty

2014-02-22 Thread Michael Jackson
? On Sat, 2/22/14, Richard J. Williams pundits...@gmail.com wrote: Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Empathy versus cruelty To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Saturday, February 22, 2014, 3:54 PM   On 2/22/2014 9:19 AM

Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Empathy versus cruelty

2014-02-22 Thread Richard J. Williams
On 2/22/2014 9:19 AM, Michael Jackson wrote: Post a list of all those who quit TM and I'll read it. You seem to be just about the only informant on FFL that quit. Maybe they don't want their names to be known, but we can start with this list: 1. Michael Jackson (deceased)

[FairfieldLife] Re: Empathy versus cruelty

2014-02-22 Thread jedi_spock
On 2/21/2014 8:49 PM, awoelflebater@... mailto:awoelflebater@... wrote: In fact, you are trying your damnedest to reveal the dirty secrets of the bamboozlers. --- WillyTex punditster@... wrote: It sounds to me like I am being bamboozled into believing that what

Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Empathy versus cruelty

2014-02-22 Thread Richard J. Williams
On 2/22/2014 10:28 AM, Michael Jackson wrote: how many times has Buck pitched a fit here on FFL for the negativity of the Dome police who bar people for going to see other gurus? Buck said he goes to the dome to do a group meditation almost every day and we presume that the dome police

Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Empathy versus cruelty

2014-02-22 Thread Richard J. Williams
On 2/22/2014 10:28 AM, Michael Jackson wrote: How is the draconian methods of the MIU/MUM leaders ever been anything other than negative? MIU/MUM sounds a lot like your average college or university, with it's rules and administration. I don't see anything draconian about MUM as a school -

Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Empathy versus cruelty

2014-02-22 Thread salyavin808
I see a lot of stupidity, how many schools teach you that you can fly but without ever demonstrating it? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote: On 2/22/2014 10:28 AM, Michael Jackson wrote: How is the draconian methods of the MIU/MUM leaders ever been anything other

[FairfieldLife] RE: Empathy versus cruelty

2014-02-21 Thread awoelflebater
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote: “One of the saddest lessons of history is this: If we’ve been bamboozled long enough, we tend to reject any evidence of the bamboozle. We’re no longer interested in finding out the truth. The bamboozle has captured us. It’s simply

Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Empathy versus cruelty

2014-02-21 Thread Richard J. Williams
On 2/21/2014 8:49 PM, awoelfleba...@yahoo.com wrote: In fact, you are trying your damnedest to reveal the dirty secrets of the bamboozlers. It sounds to me like I am being bamboozled into believing that what works for me doesn't in fact work for me. Do I need someone to tell me what to

[FairfieldLife] RE: Empathy versus cruelty

2014-02-21 Thread doctordumbass
Agreed, Ann - this tired old saw about not being able to change, once we know something, is outmoded and an idea that is dying out, with the older, ignorant generations.

Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Empathy versus cruelty

2014-02-21 Thread awoelflebater
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote: On 2/21/2014 8:49 PM, awoelflebater@... mailto:awoelflebater@... wrote: In fact, you are trying your damnedest to reveal the dirty secrets of the bamboozlers. It sounds to me like I am being bamboozled into believing that what

[FairfieldLife] RE: Empathy versus cruelty

2014-02-21 Thread s3raphita
Re an idea that is dying out, with the older, ignorant generations.: I think this old saw The bamboozle has captured us. It’s simply too painful to acknowledge, even to ourselves, that we’ve been taken still has a way to run. Most people today have completely bought in to the whole consumerist

Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Empathy versus cruelty

2014-02-21 Thread Michael Jackson
It refers to folks like Buck and Nabby and Feste On Sat, 2/22/14, awoelfleba...@yahoo.com awoelfleba...@yahoo.com wrote: Subject: [FairfieldLife] RE: Empathy versus cruelty To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Saturday, February 22, 2014, 2:49 AM

Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Empathy versus cruelty

2014-02-21 Thread Michael Jackson
It refers to folks like Buck and Nabby and Feste On Sat, 2/22/14, awoelfleba...@yahoo.com awoelfleba...@yahoo.com wrote: Subject: [FairfieldLife] RE: Empathy versus cruelty To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Saturday, February 22, 2014, 2:49 AM

[FairfieldLife] RE: Empathy versus cruelty

2014-02-21 Thread doctordumbass
Yep, lots and lots of distractions and addictions, some very pervasive, like the materialist illusion you mention. My comment was more general, about the ability, and acceptance, of admitting a belief is in error. Information is far more available, and fluid, than it used to be. What I smelled

[FairfieldLife] RE: Empathy versus cruelty

2014-02-20 Thread dhamiltony2k5
Meditating, “improved moral reasoning”, and moral behavior. Three different things evidently and possibly intertwined. Obviously we are born in to this wold with nature and then there is nurture. Evidently moral behavior is something developed and cultured in good upbringing. My feeling in

Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Empathy versus cruelty

2014-02-20 Thread Richard J. Williams
On 2/20/2014 2:54 PM, dhamiltony...@yahoo.com wrote: bad behavior that MJ in writing here for instance is so upset about in the TM community movement comes from bad upbringing and does not have so much of anything to do with whether some one meditates So, you're thinking MJ would be the

Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Empathy versus cruelty

2014-02-20 Thread Michael Jackson
: Subject: [FairfieldLife] RE: Empathy versus cruelty To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, February 20, 2014, 8:54 PM   Meditating, “improved moral reasoning”, and moral behavior. Three different things

[FairfieldLife] RE: Empathy versus cruelty

2014-02-20 Thread dhamiltony2k5
RW, Essentially yes. Well, that sentence you quote of me was about more the bad behavior of some in the long history of the TM movement as it was about MJ coincidentally. But yes, what we are seeing here is a distinction between meditating, and bad up-brings and behavior. Evidently social

Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Empathy versus cruelty

2014-02-20 Thread Michael Jackson
On Fri, 2/21/14, dhamiltony...@yahoo.com dhamiltony...@yahoo.com wrote: Subject: [FairfieldLife] RE: Empathy versus cruelty To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Friday, February 21, 2014, 12:57 AM   RW

[FairfieldLife] RE: Empathy versus cruelty

2014-02-19 Thread salyavin808
You should have taken advantage of the confusion and lifted yourself a new TV. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, s3raphita@... wrote: Today I was walking past a department store when a sudden commotion caught my attention. A young man was being frogmarched to a waiting police car by two

[FairfieldLife] RE: Empathy versus cruelty

2014-02-19 Thread dhamiltony2k5
S3raphita , I feel you are being quite saintly in taking notice of the circumstance. Yep, it is just another sign of bad upbringing and the failure of our schools and society. Including fault of all those collectively standing around smirking who without initiative themselves or had the

[FairfieldLife] RE: Empathy versus cruelty

2014-02-19 Thread dhamiltony2k5
Maharishi's was revolutionary and comprehensive thinking about global peace, like Elise M. Boulding (July 6, 1920 – June 24, 2010). Boulding offers Building a Global Civic Culture: Education for an Interdependent as a holistic first step towards solving international conflicts. She envisions a

[FairfieldLife] RE: Empathy versus cruelty

2014-02-19 Thread s3raphita
Re You should have taken advantage of the confusion and lifted yourself a new TV.: Well, maybe I would have! - but I don't need to as I can afford to buy myself a new TV any time I want one. So could most of the smirkers I witnessed. That's what they don't register: it's easy to feel

[FairfieldLife] RE: Empathy versus cruelty

2014-02-18 Thread anartaxius
S3raphita, to live in this world one has to have a certain armour. Would you have the weight of the suffering and missteps of everyone on Earth fall upon you all at once? Empathy requires a certain amount of detachment or it will paralyse. If you lock onto a situation so closely that you cannot

[FairfieldLife] RE: Empathy versus cruelty

2014-02-18 Thread doctordumbass
I empathize, but it is still wrong to steal. As much as injustice surrounds us, all we have left is our integrity. Same goes for all the smirking pricks, surrounding that unfortunate young man - shame on them.

[FairfieldLife] RE: Empathy versus cruelty

2014-02-18 Thread jr_esq
S3, It's a good thing that you empathize with the sufferings of others. But karma is unfathomable according to the Bhagavad Gita. Some people commit certain actions that bring bad karma into their lives, such as violating the laws of society. So, they must suffer the consequences of their

[FairfieldLife] RE: Empathy versus cruelty

2014-02-18 Thread doctordumbass
True, but just to make the point, even if I meditate regularly, it doesn't ever give me the excuse to be an asshole; teacher or students, alike. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jr_esq@... wrote: S3, It's a good thing that you empathize with the sufferings of others. But karma is