[FairfieldLife] Re: Fear of CC: Self Loathing as Spiritual Path
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 8/26/06 2:37 AM, Ingegerd at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: He had success - Millions of people learned TM - but that did not last - because the foundation was weak (wrong), built on many lies and broken promises. We see the result now. If he had been honest, without fear, not so many had learned TM - but it would have been a much more healthier Organisation - more lasting - more blissfull. I liked all your points but disagree that not as many would have learned TM. I think more would have, one of the reasons being that more would have stayed with it, and recommended it to others. You are probably right about that. Ingegerd To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Fear of CC: Self Loathing as Spiritual Path
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, geezerfreak [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Paul Mason premanandpaul@ wrote: Turquoise welcome back ... Somebody high-ranking in the TMO asked me some time back, whether I would like him to act on my behalf, to get myself back in favour. I asked why. He seemed puzzled at my question, but hesitantly mumbled something about 'getting the knowledge that Maharishi is giving out' (sic). Well, I was left puzzled, and am still puzzled. I thought that, according the TM dictum, all you needed to do was to learn TM, which I had, and all else will be added unto you, which to some extent it has. What would I need to do cosying up to someone who would sweettalk me into an organisation that has black lists, and doesn't even feel open enough to reprint the satsangs of its 'guiding light' - Guru Dev? Is that cos Guru Dev is competition too I have had some thoughts about that. If MMY who is saying that he tried to be like Guru Dev - read his mind - walked in his footsteps - had lived like Guru Dev - it would have been a different TMO. If MMY had given out exactly what Guru Dev said - (I know your quotes, Paul), it would have been very obvious that MMYs teaching is different from Guru Devs teaching in many ways. Like - if you take money to give out Mantras, you come to Hell etc. etc. I think MMY is aware of that he is fooling people in the West around, and that is why he is so strong about not to see other Gurus. With more knowledge and logical thinking, we are able to see tha Black Holes in MMYs teaching. He has to protect himself and what he has done - that is were all his fear comes from. He had success - Millions of people learned TM - but that did not last - because the foundation was weak (wrong), built on many lies and broken promises. We see the result now. If he had been honest, without fear, not so many had learned TM - but it would have been a much more healthier Organisation - more lasting - more blissfull. Ingegerd --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings no_reply@ wrote: Why is john Hagelin a coward??? What is he afraid of??? ...that I AM NOT AFRAID OF???!!! Why is john Hagelin a coward??? What is he afraid of??? ...answer this Ah, a perfect opportunity to re-emerge after my shorter- than-expected vacation. It's been fascinating being away from the fray, traveling about and being around normal people most of the time. :-) On returning from my Road Trip, I spent about an hour catching up, and I thank those who encouraged me to stick around. I've decided to take you up on the offer, at least for a little while, and with some self-imposed restrictions. I plan to spend a maximum of 20 minutes a day :-) reading FFL, and then to do so very, very selectively, reading only what catches my eye, and avoiding those posters whom time has proven a waste of time. If I post, it will be as an exercise in writing, not as a prelude to or an invitation to argue. One of the spiritual teachers I worked with used to say, Writers write because they're trying to figure things out. For the record, that's all I'm doing...trying to figure things out. These raps are not my idea of What Is True, and I'm not trying to sell the ideas in them to anyone or convince anyone that they're true or right. I post the comments as what they are, Just My Opinion. I will not respond to any comments others make about them, and to be honest can't even promise to read the followups, if there are any. Unlike many of the people here, I don't really feel any need to defend my opinions as anything other than what they are -- just my opinions, made at a particular point in time, possibly changing at another point in time. If others want to comment on them, that's their business. The posts themselves are the only comments I have to offer. Here's the first of them: Reading some of the FFL posts from the last month, pretty much at random, I came across a few (both the opinions of FFL regulars and quotes from others in the TMO) that suggest to me that TM has degenerated into a path in which the few lingering True Believers are acting out of a profound fear of CC. No, not Cosmic Consciousness. I'm talking about Cosmic Cooties. Over the decades, the TM faithful have been told, by Maharishi directly and by those he trained to parrot his words, that certain things in life contain Cosmic Cooties, and that to come in contact with these things is to chance getting the cooties on yourself. To doubt the infallible Truth of
[FairfieldLife] Re: Fear of CC: Self Loathing as Spiritual Path
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ingegerd [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip I have had some thoughts about that. If MMY who is saying that he tried to be like Guru Dev - read his mind - walked in his footsteps - had lived like Guru Dev - it would have been a different TMO. If MMY had given out exactly what Guru Dev said - (I know your quotes, Paul), it would have been very obvious that MMYs teaching is different from Guru Devs teaching in many ways. Like - if you take money to give out Mantras, you come to Hell etc. etc. Or, that Guru Dev's teaching was deeply and explicitly religious and specifically Hindu in nature, whereas MMY wanted to teach something everyone could take advantage of no matter what their religion (or nonreligion). The more significant question, it seems to me, is whether MMY teaches the core umiversal principles of the nature and mechanics of consciousness as Guru Dev taught them. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Fear of CC: Self Loathing as Spiritual Path
Title: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Fear of CC: Self Loathing as Spiritual Path on 8/26/06 2:37 AM, Ingegerd at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: He had success - Millions of people learned TM - but that did not last - because the foundation was weak (wrong), built on many lies and broken promises. We see the result now. If he had been honest, without fear, not so many had learned TM - but it would have been a much more healthier Organisation - more lasting - more blissfull. I liked all your points but disagree that not as many would have learned TM. I think more would have, one of the reasons being that more would have stayed with it, and recommended it to others. __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
[FairfieldLife] Re: Fear of CC: Self Loathing as Spiritual Path
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ingegerd marwincornyarmand@ wrote: snip I have had some thoughts about that. If MMY who is saying that he tried to be like Guru Dev - read his mind - walked in his footsteps - had lived like Guru Dev - it would have been a different TMO. If MMY had given out exactly what Guru Dev said - (I know your quotes, Paul), it would have been very obvious that MMYs teaching is different from Guru Devs teaching in many ways. Like - if you take money to give out Mantras, you come to Hell etc. etc. Or, that Guru Dev's teaching was deeply and explicitly religious and specifically Hindu in nature, whereas MMY wanted to teach something everyone could take advantage of no matter what their religion (or nonreligion). The more significant question, it seems to me, is whether MMY teaches the core umiversal principles of the nature and mechanics of consciousness as Guru Dev taught them. Shatananda and Vishdevananda apparently thought so. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Fear of CC: Self Loathing as Spiritual Path
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ingegerd marwincornyarmand@ wrote: snip I have had some thoughts about that. If MMY who is saying that he tried to be like Guru Dev - read his mind - walked in his footsteps - had lived like Guru Dev - it would have been a different TMO. If MMY had given out exactly what Guru Dev said - (I know your quotes, Paul), it would have been very obvious that MMYs teaching is different from Guru Devs teaching in many ways. Like - if you take money to give out Mantras, you come to Hell etc. etc. Or, that Guru Dev's teaching was deeply and explicitly religious and specifically Hindu in nature, whereas MMY wanted to teach something everyone could take advantage of no matter what their religion (or nonreligion). The more significant question, it seems to me, is whether MMY teaches the core umiversal principles of the nature and mechanics of consciousness as Guru Dev taught them. Shatananda and Vishdevananda apparently thought so. Shatananda...is that the past tense of Shitananda? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Fear of CC: Self Loathing as Spiritual Path
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings no_reply@ wrote: Why is john Hagelin a coward??? What is he afraid of??? ...that I AM NOT AFRAID OF???!!! Why is john Hagelin a coward??? What is he afraid of??? ...answer this Ah, a perfect opportunity to re-emerge after my shorter- than-expected vacation. It's been fascinating being away from the fray, traveling about and being around normal people most of the time. :-) On returning from my Road Trip, I spent about an hour catching up, and I thank those who encouraged me to stick around. I've decided to take you up on the offer, at least for a little while, and with some self-imposed restrictions. I plan to spend a maximum of 20 minutes a day :-) reading FFL, and then to do so very, very selectively, reading only what catches my eye, and avoiding those posters whom time has proven a waste of time. If I post, it will be as an exercise in writing, not as a prelude to or an invitation to argue. One of the spiritual teachers I worked with used to say, Writers write because they're trying to figure things out. Big Snip COOTIES RULE. Doubt and curiosity are the cornerstones of a successful spiritual practice. Hate them and you end up hating yourself, and spirituality itself. Man, must have been a GOOD vacation. (Good clear info, smooth transistions in emotional theme, and acronyms - FOCos, LOL!) Good to see you back. JohnY To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Fear of CC: Self Loathing as Spiritual Path
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip Such is the fear of Cosmic Cooties at this point that the official TM organization won't allow anyone who has *admitted to* any contact with either of the cootie- infested behaviors to be part of civilzed...uh, I mean evolved...company. They are weeded out and sent off to the hell world that the TBs have been trained to believe awaits them. The impression I have from the reports here is that people who have seen other saints *are* allowed to participate in the course if they sign a statement vowing never to do so again. Not good, obviously, but at least the TMO seems to believe in the possibility of redemption. snip I suggest all of this as a way to help the more balanced posters here feel more compassion for some of the more strident voices among them. The angrier these voices get, the more they demonize others who think for themselves and are honest about their doubts and their extracurricular interests, the more angry they really are at themselves. The more they demonize these cootie-infested individuals, the more they internally demonize themselves. Funny, I've seen very little in the way of demonizing of those with extracurricular interests here lately. In fact, most of the demonizing seems to be going in the other direction (as in this post of Barry's). To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Fear of CC: Self Loathing as Spiritual Path
Turquoise welcome back ... Somebody high-ranking in the TMO asked me some time back, whether I would like him to act on my behalf, to get myself back in favour. I asked why. He seemed puzzled at my question, but hesitantly mumbled something about 'getting the knowledge that Maharishi is giving out' (sic). Well, I was left puzzled, and am still puzzled. I thought that, according the TM dictum, all you needed to do was to learn TM, which I had, and all else will be added unto you, which to some extent it has. What would I need to do cosying up to someone who would sweettalk me into an organisation that has black lists, and doesn't even feel open enough to reprint the satsangs of its 'guiding light' - Guru Dev? Is that cos Guru Dev is competition too --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings no_reply@ wrote: Why is john Hagelin a coward??? What is he afraid of??? ...that I AM NOT AFRAID OF???!!! Why is john Hagelin a coward??? What is he afraid of??? ...answer this Ah, a perfect opportunity to re-emerge after my shorter- than-expected vacation. It's been fascinating being away from the fray, traveling about and being around normal people most of the time. :-) On returning from my Road Trip, I spent about an hour catching up, and I thank those who encouraged me to stick around. I've decided to take you up on the offer, at least for a little while, and with some self-imposed restrictions. I plan to spend a maximum of 20 minutes a day :-) reading FFL, and then to do so very, very selectively, reading only what catches my eye, and avoiding those posters whom time has proven a waste of time. If I post, it will be as an exercise in writing, not as a prelude to or an invitation to argue. One of the spiritual teachers I worked with used to say, Writers write because they're trying to figure things out. For the record, that's all I'm doing...trying to figure things out. These raps are not my idea of What Is True, and I'm not trying to sell the ideas in them to anyone or convince anyone that they're true or right. I post the comments as what they are, Just My Opinion. I will not respond to any comments others make about them, and to be honest can't even promise to read the followups, if there are any. Unlike many of the people here, I don't really feel any need to defend my opinions as anything other than what they are -- just my opinions, made at a particular point in time, possibly changing at another point in time. If others want to comment on them, that's their business. The posts themselves are the only comments I have to offer. Here's the first of them: Reading some of the FFL posts from the last month, pretty much at random, I came across a few (both the opinions of FFL regulars and quotes from others in the TMO) that suggest to me that TM has degenerated into a path in which the few lingering True Believers are acting out of a profound fear of CC. No, not Cosmic Consciousness. I'm talking about Cosmic Cooties. Over the decades, the TM faithful have been told, by Maharishi directly and by those he trained to parrot his words, that certain things in life contain Cosmic Cooties, and that to come in contact with these things is to chance getting the cooties on yourself. To doubt the infallible Truth of the TM dogma is definitely courting cooties. There can be no question of this -- all you have to do is watch and see what happens to those in the TMO who give expression to their doubts. They are whisked out of sight and quarantined as quickly as a leper would have been chased out of a medieval village. Doubt cooties are *contagious*, after all, and you can't allow those who have them to mingle among the uninfected. The other thing that definitely is infected with these highly contagious cooties is being open to knowledge from or representatives of other spiritual traditions. The attitude could be emblazoned on a T-shirt: SEE A SAINT, GET COOTIES! Such is the fear of Cosmic Cooties at this point that the official TM organization won't allow anyone who has *admitted to* any contact with either of the cootie- infested behaviors to be part of civilzed...uh, I mean evolved...company. They are weeded out and sent off to the hell world that the TBs have been trained to believe awaits them. I believe that this is a really sad phenomenon. Not just for the organization that espouses it, but for the indi- vidual seekers who buy into this dogma of fear as Truth. What it creates in them is a path based on self hatred, because *they* have doubts, and cannot admit them. And *they* are still curious about spiritual experience in other traditions, and they cannot admit that, either. The True
[FairfieldLife] Re: Fear of CC: Self Loathing as Spiritual Path
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings no_reply@ wrote: Why is john Hagelin a coward??? What is he afraid of??? ...that I AM NOT AFRAID OF???!!! Why is john Hagelin a coward??? What is he afraid of??? ...answer this Ah, a perfect opportunity to re-emerge after my shorter- than-expected vacation. It's been fascinating being away from the fray, traveling about and being around normal people most of the time. :-) On returning from my Road Trip, I spent about an hour catching up, and I thank those who encouraged me to stick around. I've decided to take you up on the offer, at least for a little while, and with some self-imposed restrictions. I plan to spend a maximum of 20 minutes a day :-) reading FFL, and then to do so very, very selectively, reading only what catches my eye, and avoiding those posters whom time has proven a waste of time. If I post, it will be as an exercise in writing, not as a prelude to or an invitation to argue. One of the spiritual teachers I worked with used to say, Writers write because they're trying to figure things out. For the record, that's all I'm doing...trying to figure things out. These raps are not my idea of What Is True, and I'm not trying to sell the ideas in them to anyone or convince anyone that they're true or right. I post the comments as what they are, Just My Opinion. I will not respond to any comments others make about them, and to be honest can't even promise to read the followups, if there are any. Unlike many of the people here, I don't really feel any need to defend my opinions as anything other than what they are -- just my opinions, made at a particular point in time, possibly changing at another point in time. If others want to comment on them, that's their business. The posts themselves are the only comments I have to offer. Here's the first of them: Reading some of the FFL posts from the last month, pretty much at random, I came across a few (both the opinions of FFL regulars and quotes from others in the TMO) that suggest to me that TM has degenerated into a path in which the few lingering True Believers are acting out of a profound fear of CC. No, not Cosmic Consciousness. I'm talking about Cosmic Cooties. Over the decades, the TM faithful have been told, by Maharishi directly and by those he trained to parrot his words, that certain things in life contain Cosmic Cooties, and that to come in contact with these things is to chance getting the cooties on yourself. To doubt the infallible Truth of the TM dogma is definitely courting cooties. There can be no question of this -- all you have to do is watch and see what happens to those in the TMO who give expression to their doubts. They are whisked out of sight and quarantined as quickly as a leper would have been chased out of a medieval village. Doubt cooties are *contagious*, after all, and you can't allow those who have them to mingle among the uninfected. The other thing that definitely is infected with these highly contagious cooties is being open to knowledge from or representatives of other spiritual traditions. The attitude could be emblazoned on a T-shirt: SEE A SAINT, GET COOTIES! Such is the fear of Cosmic Cooties at this point that the official TM organization won't allow anyone who has *admitted to* any contact with either of the cootie- infested behaviors to be part of civilzed...uh, I mean evolved...company. They are weeded out and sent off to the hell world that the TBs have been trained to believe awaits them. I believe that this is a really sad phenomenon. Not just for the organization that espouses it, but for the indi- vidual seekers who buy into this dogma of fear as Truth. What it creates in them is a path based on self hatred, because *they* have doubts, and cannot admit them. And *they* are still curious about spiritual experience in other traditions, and they cannot admit that, either. The True Believers who have been trained to be terrified of Cosmic Cooties have also been trained to LIE -- not only to the organization they belong to (which is sad in itself), but to *themselves*, which is heartbreaking. *EVERYONE* who has ever pursued a spiritual path has had doubts. Mature spiritual traditions accept this, and accept that these doubts are a natural and a positive aspect of the spiritual process. They have mechanisms in place so that seekers within their traditions can safely express their doubts. If the doubts grow strong enough, these traditions have no problem with wishing the seeker well on his or her Way as they take a leave of absence to explore them, and then they are always willing to welcome the doubter back into the
[FairfieldLife] Re: Fear of CC: Self Loathing as Spiritual Path
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: snip Such is the fear of Cosmic Cooties at this point that the official TM organization won't allow anyone who has *admitted to* any contact with either of the cootie- infested behaviors to be part of civilzed...uh, I mean evolved...company. They are weeded out and sent off to the hell world that the TBs have been trained to believe awaits them. The impression I have from the reports here is that people who have seen other saints *are* allowed to participate in the course if they sign a statement vowing never to do so again. Not good, obviously, but at least the TMO seems to believe in the possibility of redemption. Redemption from what? The *fallen state* of seeing other saints. Talk about damning with 'faint praise'. The difference between being completely over the top and just being over the top. The words 'vow' and 'redemption' don't belong in this path. Then again neither do crowns and raja's. Bagpipes are another question entirely. :-) Things have gone so wild that all perspective has been lost. JohnY snip I suggest all of this as a way to help the more balanced posters here feel more compassion for some of the more strident voices among them. The angrier these voices get, the more they demonize others who think for themselves and are honest about their doubts and their extracurricular interests, the more angry they really are at themselves. The more they demonize these cootie-infested individuals, the more they internally demonize themselves. Funny, I've seen very little in the way of demonizing of those with extracurricular interests here lately. In fact, most of the demonizing seems to be going in the other direction (as in this post of Barry's). To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Fear of CC: Self Loathing as Spiritual Path
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jyouells2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: snip Such is the fear of Cosmic Cooties at this point that the official TM organization won't allow anyone who has *admitted to* any contact with either of the cootie- infested behaviors to be part of civilzed...uh, I mean evolved...company. They are weeded out and sent off to the hell world that the TBs have been trained to believe awaits them. The impression I have from the reports here is that people who have seen other saints *are* allowed to participate in the course if they sign a statement vowing never to do so again. Not good, obviously, but at least the TMO seems to believe in the possibility of redemption. Redemption from what? The *fallen state* of seeing other saints. Talk about damning with 'faint praise'. The difference between being completely over the top and just being over the top. The words 'vow' and 'redemption' don't belong in this path. Then again neither do crowns and raja's. Bagpipes are another question entirely. :-) Things have gone so wild that all perspective has been lost. I agree with you. Redemption was meant a bit sardonically. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Fear of CC: Self Loathing as Spiritual Path
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jyouells2000 jyouells@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: snip Such is the fear of Cosmic Cooties at this point that the official TM organization won't allow anyone who has *admitted to* any contact with either of the cootie- infested behaviors to be part of civilzed...uh, I mean evolved...company. They are weeded out and sent off to the hell world that the TBs have been trained to believe awaits them. The impression I have from the reports here is that people who have seen other saints *are* allowed to participate in the course if they sign a statement vowing never to do so again. Not good, obviously, but at least the TMO seems to believe in the possibility of redemption. Redemption from what? The *fallen state* of seeing other saints. Talk about damning with 'faint praise'. The difference between being completely over the top and just being over the top. The words 'vow' and 'redemption' don't belong in this path. Then again neither do crowns and raja's. Bagpipes are another question entirely. :-) Things have gone so wild that all perspective has been lost. I agree with you. Redemption was meant a bit sardonically. I didn't see it at that momment, it's hard to see loopsided smiles thru the text, sometimes. :) I've seen quite a few people get turned off about TM lately after looking at the websites. It's too bad. JohnY To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Fear of CC: Self Loathing as Spiritual Path
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Paul Mason [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Turquoise welcome back ... Somebody high-ranking in the TMO asked me some time back, whether I would like him to act on my behalf, to get myself back in favour. I asked why. He seemed puzzled at my question, but hesitantly mumbled something about 'getting the knowledge that Maharishi is giving out' (sic). Well, I was left puzzled, and am still puzzled. I thought that, according the TM dictum, all you needed to do was to learn TM, which I had, and all else will be added unto you, which to some extent it has. What would I need to do cosying up to someone who would sweettalk me into an organisation that has black lists, and doesn't even feel open enough to reprint the satsangs of its 'guiding light' - Guru Dev? Is that cos Guru Dev is competition too --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings no_reply@ wrote: Why is john Hagelin a coward??? What is he afraid of??? ...that I AM NOT AFRAID OF???!!! Why is john Hagelin a coward??? What is he afraid of??? ...answer this Ah, a perfect opportunity to re-emerge after my shorter- than-expected vacation. It's been fascinating being away from the fray, traveling about and being around normal people most of the time. :-) On returning from my Road Trip, I spent about an hour catching up, and I thank those who encouraged me to stick around. I've decided to take you up on the offer, at least for a little while, and with some self-imposed restrictions. I plan to spend a maximum of 20 minutes a day :-) reading FFL, and then to do so very, very selectively, reading only what catches my eye, and avoiding those posters whom time has proven a waste of time. If I post, it will be as an exercise in writing, not as a prelude to or an invitation to argue. One of the spiritual teachers I worked with used to say, Writers write because they're trying to figure things out. For the record, that's all I'm doing...trying to figure things out. These raps are not my idea of What Is True, and I'm not trying to sell the ideas in them to anyone or convince anyone that they're true or right. I post the comments as what they are, Just My Opinion. I will not respond to any comments others make about them, and to be honest can't even promise to read the followups, if there are any. Unlike many of the people here, I don't really feel any need to defend my opinions as anything other than what they are -- just my opinions, made at a particular point in time, possibly changing at another point in time. If others want to comment on them, that's their business. The posts themselves are the only comments I have to offer. Here's the first of them: Reading some of the FFL posts from the last month, pretty much at random, I came across a few (both the opinions of FFL regulars and quotes from others in the TMO) that suggest to me that TM has degenerated into a path in which the few lingering True Believers are acting out of a profound fear of CC. No, not Cosmic Consciousness. I'm talking about Cosmic Cooties. Over the decades, the TM faithful have been told, by Maharishi directly and by those he trained to parrot his words, that certain things in life contain Cosmic Cooties, and that to come in contact with these things is to chance getting the cooties on yourself. To doubt the infallible Truth of the TM dogma is definitely courting cooties. There can be no question of this -- all you have to do is watch and see what happens to those in the TMO who give expression to their doubts. They are whisked out of sight and quarantined as quickly as a leper would have been chased out of a medieval village. Doubt cooties are *contagious*, after all, and you can't allow those who have them to mingle among the uninfected. The other thing that definitely is infected with these highly contagious cooties is being open to knowledge from or representatives of other spiritual traditions. The attitude could be emblazoned on a T-shirt: SEE A SAINT, GET COOTIES! Such is the fear of Cosmic Cooties at this point that the official TM organization won't allow anyone who has *admitted to* any contact with either of the cootie- infested behaviors to be part of civilzed...uh, I mean evolved...company. They are weeded out and sent off to the hell world that the TBs have been trained to believe awaits them. I believe that this is a really sad phenomenon. Not just for the organization that espouses it, but for the indi- vidual seekers who buy into this dogma of fear as Truth. What it creates in them is a path based on self hatred,
[FairfieldLife] Re: Fear of CC: Self Loathing as Spiritual Path
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: snip Such is the fear of Cosmic Cooties at this point that the official TM organization won't allow anyone who has *admitted to* any contact with either of the cootie- infested behaviors to be part of civilzed...uh, I mean evolved...company. They are weeded out and sent off to the hell world that the TBs have been trained to believe awaits them. The impression I have from the reports here is that people who have seen other saints *are* allowed to participate in the course if they sign a statement vowing never to do so again. Not good, obviously, but at least the TMO seems to believe in the possibility of redemption. snip I suggest all of this as a way to help the more balanced posters here feel more compassion for some of the more strident voices among them. The angrier these voices get, the more they demonize others who think for themselves and are honest about their doubts and their extracurricular interests, the more angry they really are at themselves. The more they demonize these cootie-infested individuals, the more they internally demonize themselves. Funny, I've seen very little in the way of demonizing of those with extracurricular interests here lately. In fact, most of the demonizing seems to be going in the other direction (as in this post of Barry's). ...and avoiding those posters whom time has proven a waste of time. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/