On Jul 23, 2008, at 3:31 PM, jyouells2000 wrote:
> I went to Honesdale, with an audiotape of Guru Dev (before Paul
> translations) to see
> about the possibility of translation. Walked into the bookstore and
> asked if Swami Rama
> was there. As if on cue he walked in, in a maroon bathrobe (in t
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> On Jul 23, 2008, at 11:26 AM, curtisdeltablues wrote:
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> >>>
> >>> For those who find belief in gods and goddesses untenable, there's
> > no
> >>> real need to cling to such stories. In terms of modern psychology
> >
On Jul 23, 2008, at 12:53 PM, curtisdeltablues wrote:
That may be true. I find it hard to believe that earlier cultures
were able to figure this out rather than just going with their
religious meanings in choosing sounds. It seems like a difficult
thing to test.
It is completely knowable
Vaj wrote:
> I prefer honesty (Swami Rama approach)
> rather than being lied to (the
> "meaningless sound" canard).
>
Did the Marshy say that the TM mantras
were "meaningless sound"? I think not.
The TM mantras have no semantic meaning,
but they are not meaningless - everything
has meaning, b
> > That may be true. I find it hard to believe that earlier cultures
> > were able to figure this out rather than just going with their
> > religious meanings in choosing sounds. It seems like a difficult
> > thing to test.
>
> It is completely knowable in those traditions, albeit not through
On Jul 23, 2008, at 11:26 AM, curtisdeltablues wrote:
For those who find belief in gods and goddesses untenable, there's
no
real need to cling to such stories. In terms of modern psychology
and
neuroscience it would be easier to say that certain sounds have
certain effects on the brain,
> >
> > For those who find belief in gods and goddesses untenable, there's
no
> > real need to cling to such stories. In terms of modern psychology
and
> > neuroscience it would be easier to say that certain sounds have
> > certain effects on the brain, which have the potential, over time,
On Jul 23, 2008, at 9:49 AM, sparaig wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
On Jul 22, 2008, at 4:51 PM, curtisdeltablues wrote:
So you deny all connection to this Saraswati bija idea then? ;-)
Is Saraswati married to Santa Clause?
No, just certa
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> On Jul 22, 2008, at 4:51 PM, curtisdeltablues wrote:
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> >> So you deny all connection to this Saraswati bija idea then? ;-)
> >
> > Is Saraswati married to Santa Clause?
>
>
> No, just certain TMers.
>
> For those
On Jul 22, 2008, at 4:51 PM, curtisdeltablues wrote:
So you deny all connection to this Saraswati bija idea then? ;-)
Is Saraswati married to Santa Clause?
No, just certain TMers.
For those who find belief in gods and goddesses untenable, there's no
real need to cling to such stories.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Richard J. Williams"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> > > Guitar players love to get worshiped,
> > > just like gurus do.
> > >
> Curtis wrote:
> > I wouldn't know anything about that.
> > My bar is set a bit lower at "no beer
> > bottles thrown during the s
> > Guitar players love to get worshiped,
> > just like gurus do.
> >
Curtis wrote:
> I wouldn't know anything about that.
> My bar is set a bit lower at "no beer
> bottles thrown during the set."
>
You're probably already famous - you'll
have to deal with being worshipped as
a God - people wi
Now Shemp, lets not forget our sense of humor!
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bettyblue109
> wrote:
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> > Shemp I know this may be hard for you to believe, And I never
would
> > force you to believe
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bettyblue109 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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> Shemp I know this may be hard for you to believe, And I never would
> force you to believe anything you don't want to, but scientific
> research has shown you can practice the TM program and TM Guru
> Program
> And you probably sit on a stage and take a
> few bows sometimes as well. Guitarists love to
> take bows - that makes them feel like a God
> to their fans.
No, if you bow to your fans they are the God to you.
worshiped, just like gurus do.>
Do tell. I wouldn't know anything about that. My
> So you deny all connection to this Saraswati bija idea then? ;-)
Is Saraswati married to Santa Clause?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> On Jul 22, 2008, at 3:24 PM, curtisdeltablues wrote:
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> >
> > But I think was all make our choices based on
On Jul 22, 2008, at 3:24 PM, curtisdeltablues wrote:
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> But I think was all make our choices based on our best guess
> concerning probability right? I mean, you may not feel compelled to
> test whether bowing in the direction of Mecca 5 times a day will make
> everything in your life magical
---Sure, one can be "devoted" to MMY as a form of mood-making; but on
a more technical level; (following the examples of other Traditions);
Guru-bhakti incorporates a form of meditation in which there's
a "hard" concentration of the form of the Guru at the 3-rd eye. The
mind isn't allowed to w
Curtis wrote:
> I don't meditate to improve my music,
> I practice my ass off.
>
Practicing on your guitar is a meditation.
You've probably been meditating your ass off
for years without even realizing it.
> If you are saying that some other practice
> improves your musical ability, I say cool.
But I think was all make our choices based on our best guess
concerning probability right? I mean, you may not feel compelled to
test whether bowing in the direction of Mecca 5 times a day will make
everything in your life magically better, but there are a whole bunch
of people who try to make t
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Well, Betty, chances are that if they were into all this other crap,
> they weren't doing the TM Program, which is by definition the
> opposite of all those things (especially "devotion to MMY").
I know it is just a bit of
Thank Shemp. That was one of the best summations of your POV on the
movement that I have read. I don't really understand why 'it makes
sense that it is the "answer"', but it doesn't have to for me, that is
your POV. I really enjoy finding out all the grey zone articulations
of people's relations
On Jul 22, 2008, at 1:06 PM, curtisdeltablues wrote:
an easy place to live, it has really good vibes from all
the > meditation going on, there is a community feeling and support
network > there like no place I have ever been...I was happy in my
life > there and I am happy in my life not th
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> > IT'S FUCKING WESTERN MONEY AND OUR FUCKING VALUES SHOULD FOLLOW
THAT
> > MONEY.
>
> I'm gunna give you credit for cracking a history book or two (after
> MIU because Maharishi had contempt for history stud
an easy place to live, it has really good vibes from all
the > meditation going on, there is a community feeling and support
network > there like no place I have ever been...I was happy in my
life > there and I am happy in my life not there!>
Taking responsibility for your own happiness, what
I lived in Fairfield for almost 30 years and left there about 4 years
ago...TM etc did not solve folks problems, I have good friends
that were 110% loyal to MMY's teachings, everything, I would even
call them fundementalists ru's, Vastu, group program, ayerveda,
devotion to MMY, they talked
> IT'S FUCKING WESTERN MONEY AND OUR FUCKING VALUES SHOULD FOLLOW THAT
> MONEY.
I'm gunna give you credit for cracking a history book or two (after
MIU because Maharishi had contempt for history studies) Shemp.
Did the Brits keep Indian values as they sucked their colony dry? It
doesn't work th
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "claudiouk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> Just watching Verma talking on Maharishi Channel, back in MERU I
> imagine, and seemingly all is back to normal again. Maybe was a false
> alarm... He is being very productive in India - good luck to him.
>
Girish d
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