[FairfieldLife] Re: Hawking: God did not create the Universe

2010-09-03 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, John jr_...@... wrote: For a scientist, Hawking makes a lot of stupid comments. He's either trying to sell his new book or is already senile. He's making science the new religion of the masses. His statements are full of of faith in theories that

[FairfieldLife] Re: Hawking: God did not create the Universe

2010-09-03 Thread PaliGap
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emptybill emptyb...@... wrote: Very few scientists have any training in Western philosophy, much less Eastern. The same goes for training (or even basic classes) in the philosophy of science. Most of them look even more foolish when they open their

[FairfieldLife] Re: Hawking: God did not create the Universe

2010-09-03 Thread TurquoiseB
I'm not sure what exactly Hawking's position is on the creation of the universe, but I should point out that there are some physicists who don't believe that there ever was one. They are joined in this view by Buddhists, who believe that the universe has always been, is now, and will always be.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Hawking: God did not create the Universe

2010-09-03 Thread TurquoiseB
Still riffing on this, I think that many people's issue with an eternal universe is not that it postulates No God (although that pushes a LOT of buttons because It just isn't *done* to question God's existence), but because it implies No Purpose. I think that a lot of folks are drawn to the God

[FairfieldLife] Re: Hawking: God did not create the Universe

2010-09-03 Thread PaliGap
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_re...@... wrote: Still riffing on this, I think that many people's issue with an eternal universe is not that it postulates No God (although that pushes a LOT of buttons because It just isn't *done* to question God's existence), but because

[FairfieldLife] Re: Hawking: God did not create the Universe

2010-09-03 Thread emptybill
http://space.mit.edu/home/tegmark/popular.html If you have never read it, then Max Tegmark's Parallel Universes is a mind blower. He's an astrophysical cosmologist at MIT who points out that cosmological theorizing still breaks down into Platonic and Aristotelian modes of thinking, which he then

[FairfieldLife] Re: Hawking: God did not create the Universe

2010-09-03 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, PaliGap compost...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: Still riffing on this, I think that many people's issue with an eternal universe is not that it postulates No God (although that pushes a LOT of buttons

[FairfieldLife] Re: Hawking: God did not create the Universe

2010-09-03 Thread sgrayatlarge
So are you saying people are naturally good and will do the right (not shitty thing)? Or only Buddhists and atheists? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_re...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, PaliGap compost1uk@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,

[FairfieldLife] Re: Hawking: God did not create the Universe

2010-09-03 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sgrayatlarge no_re...@... wrote: So are you saying people are naturally good and will do the right (not shitty thing)? Or only Buddhists and atheists? I am saying that some people try to do the right thing, and that doing so has nothing whatsoever to do

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Hawking: God did not create the Universe

2010-09-03 Thread Bhairitu
I don't think there is any guy in the sky micromanaging things which is what a lot of people believe. But one might call whatever the process of the universe's existence is in it's totality God or whang or whatever. Even the best and brightest of the human race is probably incapable of

[FairfieldLife] Re: Hawking: God did not create the Universe

2010-09-03 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozg...@... wrote: I don't think there is any guy in the sky micromanaging things which is what a lot of people believe. But one might call whatever the process of the universe's existence is in it's totality God or whang or whatever.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Hawking: God did not create the Universe

2010-09-03 Thread emptybill
Huh? Post-ulating? It sounds indecent. Is this what they do with each other in Europe? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_re...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, John jr_esq@ wrote: For a scientist, Hawking makes a lot of stupid comments. He's either

[FairfieldLife] Re: Hawking: God did not create the Universe

2010-09-03 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emptybill emptyb...@... wrote: Huh? Post-ulating? It sounds indecent. Is this what they do with each other in Europe? It is indecent, and is considered such everywhere in Europe (and on a par with necrophilia) except The Netherlands. I'm into pre-ulating

[FairfieldLife] Re: Hawking: God did not create the Universe

2010-09-03 Thread sgrayatlarge
Fair enough, but when does it start to matter to them, and where do they get the notion of what is the right thing to do? When one raises a child, do we say well you know the right thing to do, just do it! Or are they taught right from wrong, what are good actions and what are bad- manners,

[FairfieldLife] Re: Hawking: God did not create the Universe

2010-09-03 Thread curtisdeltablues
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, yifuxero yifuxero@ wrote: The Intelligent Design key point - fine tuning - seems to be even less compelling as an argument, says Hawking. The best argument I can think of for a lack of intelligent design at work in the universe is seeing

[FairfieldLife] Re: Hawking: God did not create the Universe

2010-09-03 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sgrayatlarge no_re...@... wrote: Fair enough, but when does it start to matter to them, and where do they get the notion of what is the right thing to do? A good question. Hopefully, in my ideal society, they never get a lecture on what is the right

[FairfieldLife] Re: Hawking: God did not create the Universe

2010-09-02 Thread John
For a scientist, Hawking makes a lot of stupid comments. He's either trying to sell his new book or is already senile. He's making science the new religion of the masses. His statements are full of of faith in theories that are not even proven. It's about time he stepped down as head of the

[FairfieldLife] Re: Hawking: God did not create the Universe

2010-09-02 Thread emptybill
Very few scientists have any training in Western philosophy, much less Eastern. The same goes for training (or even basic classes) in the philosophy of science. Most of them look even more foolish when they open their mouths and demonstrate how totally ignorant they are about theology. They show