[FairfieldLife] Re: Hillary accepts job as Secretary of State...
I agree. This is going to be a disaster. The Clinton administration was extremely hostile to India. She will pull in a different direction from Obama with a different agenda. With Clinton's Phallic Joke hanging in the background, She will make interaction with other cultures extremely uncomfortable. This is going to give the Republicians plenty of ammo to bombard the new administration. --- bob_brigante [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Hillary accepts job as Secretary of State... Date: Friday, November 21, 2008, 2:39 PM I like Hillary, but State is the wrong job for her. Richardson should have gotten State, and Hillary should continue in the Senate, safely locking up a Dem seat forever. *
[FairfieldLife] Re: Hillary accepts job as Secretary of State...
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think she will be great, so much stronger than Condi. It also speaks well of Obama that he picked a person who will challenge him since he disagreed with her foreign policy POV in the primaries. He is already doing the opposite of what Bush did (pick a yes women) so he must be on track. Actually, I agree. I occasionally post stuff about Hillary to taunt the compulsive Hillbots into posting out early, but I think it's an excellent choice, because *it will force Hillary Clinton to develop skills she currently does not have*. Her whole act is about barging into a room with her dick not only out of her pants, but as angry as she is. And that is the *opposite* of what is required in the world of international diplomacy. Diplomacy requires tact, and keeping your dick in your pants as long as humanly possible. I knew a woman in the Rama trip who was a Bitch with a capital 'B.' She literally made every person in the small computer company she worked with hate her, because of the callous and thought- less way she treated them. They finally bought out her shares to get rid of her. So what did she do? She became a psychologist. She went back to school, got her license, and set up a practice. And today, several years later, the change in her and in the way she treats *everyone*, not just her patients, is extra- ordinary. She wisely put herself in the position of *having* to be compassionate, *having* to keep her inner dick in her pants, *having* to find a way to help the people she was interacting with rather than yell at them and blame them for *her* failures. And it transformed her into a real human being. I suspect that, if Hillary has *any* chops at all, and there is any substance underneath her bluster, being Secretary Of State for a few years will have a similar effect on her. Given the diminished stature of the United States, it's not as if she *could* barge into a room with dick swinging any more. The U.S. has neither the military nor eco- nomic might to swing its dick at *anyone* any more. And to do so would be antithetical to her boss's view of what America's place in a new world should be. She's going to *have* to learn diplomacy, and *have* to learn compassion, and *have* to learn to keep her dick in her pants. For that reason I think it's a brilliant choice on Obama's part. He is giving her a chance to show that she has another side, and to prove it. And she will, one way or another. If she tries doing her job the way she's done it before (like when she single- handedly derailed health care reform for a decade by acting like a swinging dick), she won't last very long, and she'll have no prestigious Senate seat to return to. She'll be SOL, and it'll be her own fault. If she tries to run the swinging dick routine on other countries, they will laugh at her, because they are tired of it, and they'll quickly put her in her place. If she tries to run it on her boss, he will put her in her place even faster, probably without the laughter. The reaction of the Hillary camp to this offer has shown that they are still in campaign mode, long after it was appropriate. They're still milking this offer for headlines for Hillary. That will come to an abrupt halt the moment she accepts the offer (if she does). She'll have to change from dick-out campaign mode to keep-it-in-your-pants-and-just-do- the-job mode. If she can. That is yet to be proven. It'll be interesting to watch. Here is how I view our new president: http://images.plurk.com/36733_e7f482ba81beda85c3717278242ee9a1.jpg Exactly. This man keeps his dick in his pants. So will the people who work for him, unless they fuck up and don't do what they were hired to do. Then God help them. It remains to be seen what Hillary will do with the opportunity she has been given. Someone who really cared about her country would take the ball and run with it and drop the ego in favor of selfless service. Whether she does will indicate how attached she is *to* that ego.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Hillary accepts job as Secretary of State...
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: I think she will be great, so much stronger than Condi. It also speaks well of Obama that he picked a person who will challenge him since he disagreed with her foreign policy POV in the primaries. In fact, their views on foreign policy are very close to identical. The minor differences became wildly exaggerated and oversimplified in the course of the campaign. He is already doing the opposite of what Bush did (pick a yes women) so he must be on track. Actually, I agree. I occasionally post stuff about Hillary to taunt the compulsive Hillbots into posting out early, Actually, sometimes Barry plays this childish game, and sometimes he's dead serious about what he posts concerning Hillary. The Hillbots know the difference and don't respond to the former. but I think it's an excellent choice, because *it will force Hillary Clinton to develop skills she currently does not have*. Her whole act is about barging into a room with her dick not only out of her pants, but as angry as she is. And that is the *opposite* of what is required in the world of international diplomacy. This is from Pluto, totally untrue. It reflects how politically ignorant Barry is to even suggest such a thing, but even more than that, how threatening he finds strong women in general and Hillary in particular. Hillary is, in fact, widely known for her diplomatic skills. Foreign leaders have enormous respect for her; and even the Republicans in the Senate rave about how easy she is to work with. snip I suspect that, if Hillary has *any* chops at all, and there is any substance underneath her bluster, being Secretary Of State for a few years will have a similar effect on her. Not to mention how utterly ludicrous it would be, given the current situation of the U.S. internationally, for Obama to pick someone for SoS who had to learn how to be diplomatic on the job and would take a few years to do so. He can't afford that risk and is way smarter than to take it. The last thing the country needs is a replay, even for just a few years, of the Bush dick- swinging arrogance in foreign relations. He's picked Hillary because he knows she'll get it right from the start. snip For that reason I think it's a brilliant choice on Obama's part. He is giving her a chance to show that she has another side, and to prove it. And she will, one way or another. If she tries doing her job the way she's done it before (like when she single- handedly derailed health care reform for a decade by acting like a swinging dick) This was a vastly more complicated situation than Barry has even the vaguest knowledge of. He's not aware that it was the right wing at the time that created the false story that it was all Hillary's fault, and of course pro-Obama liberals picked it up for use against her in the primary campaign. Barry, of course, isn't interested in the facts, but for anyone who is, one account of the debacle from someone who was a White House senior health care adviser at the time and intimately involved in the process, titled The Hillarycare Mythology, see: http://www.prospect.org/cs/articles?article=the_hillarycare_mythology http://tinyurl.com/2thebl A more detailed 1995 Atlantic article by James Fallows, entitled A Triumph of Misinformation, is here: http://www.theatlantic.com/doc/199501/hillary-clinton-health-plan http://tinyurl.com/5znjm4
[FairfieldLife] Re: Hillary accepts job as Secretary of State...
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: I think she will be great, so much stronger than Condi. It also speaks well of Obama that he picked a person who will challenge him since he disagreed with her foreign policy POV in the primaries. He is already doing the opposite of what Bush did (pick a yes women) so he must be on track. Actually, I agree. I occasionally post stuff about Hillary to taunt the compulsive Hillbots into posting out early, but I think it's an excellent choice, because *it will force Hillary Clinton to develop skills she currently does not have*. -snip- i would not be comfortable thinking that the SoS would be getting on the job training to improve her character. c'mon, this is a pretty important job. if the sos fucks up a meeting with someone, it means more than better luck next time. i think clinton knows how to play it from day one. to entrust the job to someone who is still learning would be at least extremely irresponsible.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Hillary accepts job as Secretary of State...
Her whole act is about barging into a room with her dick not only out of her pants, but as angry as she is. And that is the *opposite* of what is required in the world of international diplomacy. Judy wrote: Hillary is, in fact, widely known for her diplomatic skills. Foreign leaders have enormous respect for her; and even the Republicans in the Senate rave about how easy she is to work with. Which diplomatic occasion was Hillary Clinton involved in? Do U.S. Senators engage in international diplomacy? Apparently Senator Clinton has never had to engage in 'high-stakes' diplomacy, which is why selecting her for SoS is a gamble. Nobody really knows how she will fit in with Obama's foreign policies. 'Obama Tilts to Center, Inviting a Clash of Ideas' By David E. Sanger New York Times, November 21, 2008 http://tinyurl.com/67p9cx
[FairfieldLife] Re: Hillary accepts job as Secretary of State...
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Nov 21, 2008, at 3:13 PM, curtisdeltablues wrote: I think she will be great, so much stronger than Condi. It also speaks well of Obama that he picked a person who will challenge him since he disagreed with her foreign policy POV in the primaries. He is already doing the opposite of what Bush did (pick a yes women) so he must be on track. I agree. It will also free up her Senate seat for a real Democrat, :) There is no realer Democrat than Hillary Clinton.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Hillary accepts job as Secretary of State...
(snip) There is no realer Democrat than Hillary Clinton. I think Hillary has transcended the Democrat label at this point... We all know, she is a team player, and we know which side she is on. Both Barack and Bill are Leos, and she seems to have good chemistry with, Both of these two alpha males...a good support woman, for sure. I believe, Secretary of State, is a bigger and better position for her, than to be: The President... Since the United States is still regard as the 'leader' in consciousness, in so many ways.. That the International nature of this position, will free Hillary to play a role on the world stage, Especially to raise girls and woman up, around the world. Congrats to Hill...from, R.G.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Hillary accepts job as Secretary of State...
I think she will be great, so much stronger than Condi. It also speaks well of Obama that he picked a person who will challenge him since he disagreed with her foreign policy POV in the primaries. He is already doing the opposite of what Bush did (pick a yes women) so he must be on track. Here is how I view our new president: http://images.plurk.com/36733_e7f482ba81beda85c3717278242ee9a1.jpg --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://tinyurl.com/3uj5p Won't be official until after Thanksgiving, but seems fairly certain. Also Bill Richardson for Transportation (I think). Sal
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Hillary accepts job as Secretary of State...
On Nov 21, 2008, at 3:13 PM, curtisdeltablues wrote: I think she will be great, so much stronger than Condi. It also speaks well of Obama that he picked a person who will challenge him since he disagreed with her foreign policy POV in the primaries. He is already doing the opposite of what Bush did (pick a yes women) so he must be on track. I agree. It will also free up her Senate seat for a real Democrat, :) Here is how I view our new president: http://images.plurk.com/36733_e7f482ba81beda85c3717278242ee9a1.jpg Ha! Good one. Sal
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Hillary accepts job as Secretary of State...
On Fri, Nov 21, 2008 at 3:13 PM, curtisdeltablues [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think she will be great, so much stronger than Condi. It also speaks well of Obama that he picked a person who will challenge him since he disagreed with her foreign policy POV in the primaries. He is already doing the opposite of what Bush did (pick a yes women) so he must be on track. Connie was more than a yes woman to GW Bush. She was his tutor. She taught him were Spain and Greece were on a map of the world. It's good to see that Obama found some where to stuff Hillary, I guess. The good news is that if she blows out she's lost here Senate seat and can't easily go back.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Hillary accepts job as Secretary of State...
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, I am the eternal [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, Nov 21, 2008 at 3:13 PM, curtisdeltablues [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think she will be great, so much stronger than Condi. It also speaks well of Obama that he picked a person who will challenge him since he disagreed with her foreign policy POV in the primaries. He is already doing the opposite of what Bush did (pick a yes women) so he must be on track. Connie was more than a yes woman to GW Bush. She was his tutor. She taught him were Spain and Greece were on a map of the world. It's good to see that Obama found some where to stuff Hillary, I guess. The good news is that if she blows out she's lost here Senate seat and can't easily go back. *** I like Hillary, but State is the wrong job for her. Richardson should have gotten State, and Hillary should continue in the Senate, safely locking up a Dem seat forever.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Hillary accepts job as Secretary of State...
I am the eternal [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Connie was more than a yes woman to GW Bush. She was his tutor. She taught him were Spain and Greece were on a map of the world. Connie Rice's creddentials were all based on being an expect on the Soviet Union. Lo and behold, none of that mattered. I hope history views her as one of the most incompetant SOS ever. She likely never took a stand on anything substantial, and was, yes, just a yes man. BTW, remember one of the Star Trek moview where the Captain was a female, and they still addressed her as Sir. I kind of liked that, and thought it was appropiate. The role of a Starship Captain, would, to me, require more masculine qualities, whether it is filled by a man, or a women. Thus, I felt addressing the women as Sir, in the regard was appropiate.
