[FairfieldLife] Re: I'm converting back to TB-TM
Political-religious connection to find out who is behind this feeling, or creating this feeling of disharmony in the group, and purge it from the group, Omen. R.G. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/111050 Doug in FF writing: Turq, i do not know what precedence there may be for this, but for public safety is it not coming time to have the un-registered non- dome attending meditators up in Maharishi Vedic City and on campus wearing armbands identifying themselves as TM-ex, and a special catagory of TM-Gov.-Ex for those un-recertified TM-Govs.? Turq writes: That rarely happens with spiritual mass movement TBs. It usually takes a religio-political *alliance* (like the Inquisition working in conjunction with the kings of the Catholic countries) to pull off something like that. Without that politico-religious connection, cowards usually remain cowards and only *think* about doing these sorts of things... Doug writing: Turq, A Religio-political alliance? like: Pray will the *Maharishi Vedic City Mayor up there and our Rajas* act in our best interests and remove these ex-people? It evidently would be in everyone's interest, a grave matter of public safety. they have the form of it now. A tempering thing though is that by Iowa law at least their 'municipal' meetings and some of its processes are supposed to be 'open'... dang democracy and those bills of rights. The mayor has gone to some TB'er lengths for MMY and told some whoppers towards those ends but thus far has not chosen to enter the 'guidelines' fray separating his citizens by type of meditator. I think your comments about petty tyrants TB'er mentality line up well. So much of what is being done and played is to keep people in line in some ways of psychology. It is quite a study really. And of course is interesting consequential also because we live here and it effects any of us our friends neighbors that way. Yours in Best Faith, -Doug in FF --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: How about the last paragraph of this from this? paste If we are attempting to create order and harmony, in a world of disorder and disharmony; And the dome, is regarded by Maharishi, as being one of his most important projects, in the world; and the whole history of Fairfield, the long time of meditators there... Then the seed is the container of the whole tree... So, the seeds planted in the dome: 'ought to radiate the most intense harmony and beauty, peace and love. 'All we are saying, is give peace a chance'- type feeling... So, if we are creating these lower vibration disharmony's and chaos, in our feelings in and towards those in the dome, or running the dome... then we had better all take a pretty good look in the mirror, to find out who is behind this feeling, or creating this feeling of disharmony in the group, and purge it from the group, Omen. R.G. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/111050 Doug in FF writing: Turq, i do not know what precedence there may be for this, but for public safety is it not coming time to have the un-registered non- dome attending meditators up in Maharishi Vedic City and on campus wearing armbands identifying themselves as TM-ex, and a special catagory of TM-Gov.-Ex for those un-recertified TM-Govs.? Evidently this is a 'public safety' matter as we are being told. You know, the negative effect is felt in a way that anyone wearing an arm band identifying them as such probably ought to be picked up off the streets of Maharishi Vedic City or from the campus and bused away to that meditator ghetto south of the railroad tracks here. It would be a felt-effect certainly and make a final solution to the problem in the meditating community here. Pray will the Maharishi Vedic City Mayor up there and our Rajas act in our best interests and remove these ex-people? It evidently would be in everyone's interest, a grave matter of public safety. Yours in Best Faith, -Doug in FF That someone can sell a technique to help people relax does not automatically make them a saint. TurquoiseB writes: An excellent point. One of the *foundations* of the True Believer mentality is if this person taught me or told me one thing that has proved useful or true, then everything he says is useful and true. Extrapolating from this assumption, over time True Believers put the leader of their mass movement up on a pedestal and tend to auto- matically believe *everything* they say. They start to assume that the leader has a special presence that normal people don't have. The next, and IMO most dangerous step, is when they start to assume that anyone who doesn't feel and act the same way, and who doesn't put the leader up on the same pedestal that they do is attacking him, or not giving him the proper respect that he is due. Read Bob's statement below
[FairfieldLife] Re: I'm converting back to TB-TM
That someone can sell a technique to help people relax does not automatically make them a saint. TurquoiseB writes: An excellent point. One of the *foundations* of the True Believer mentality is if this person taught me or told me one thing that has proved useful or true, then everything he says is useful and true. Extrapolating from this assumption, over time True Believers put the leader of their mass movement up on a pedestal and tend to auto- matically believe *everything* they say. They start to assume that the leader has a special presence that normal people don't have. The next, and IMO most dangerous step, is when they start to assume that anyone who doesn't feel and act the same way, and who doesn't put the leader up on the same pedestal that they do is attacking him, or not giving him the proper respect that he is due. Read Bob's statement below with this in mind, and I think you'll see True Believerism at its height. Or depth, depending on your point of view. Bob's last paragraph is True Believerism personified. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bob_brigante no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Paul Mason premanandpaul@ wrote: Correction: for the record I dropped practice for a few weeks after seeing the look in MMYs eyes whilst standing near him in Royal Albert Hall London in the mid-1970's. * It's not uncommon for highly-stressed individuals to react badly to being in MMY's presence. Here's the account of former MUM prof Kai Druhl: In 1990, I first met Maharishi Mahesh Yogi personally. Immediately after the meeting, I noticed signs of demonic oppression. I was no longer able to control my facial expressions during meditation, and my lips would suddenly retreat to expose my clenched teeth. This loss of control eventually even spread into quiet times, outside of meditation. At the time, I attributed that to the impending release of a stress, that I thought had been in me all along. http://www.thetruelight.net/personalstories/kaidruhl.htm So you are claiming that although MMY left India and taught you and millions of other Westerners TM, a practice which you say brings the light, and which practice you say you have practiced for 30 years, you do not regard discomfort around MMY -- the man responsible for teaching you this wonderful technique that you have been practicing for 30 years (!) -- as demonstrating a deficiency in you rather than MMY? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer groups@ wrote: I¹ve heard that people tend to sit in affinity groups in the domes: the Amma group, the Waking Down group, etc. How about the just plain old superior to everything else, TM/TM-Sidhis group? That's called the True Believer group. :-) Thank you at least for being honest about your elitism; very few of the TBs are. Er, um, yeah, right. Why would they be TBers if they didn't believe that TM was the best thing since sliced bread? Well, that's sorta the point, dude. For people who are part of many other organizations that teach meditation, it would never occur to them to think that their particular brand of meditation was the best or better than all others. The *reason* this would not have occurred to them is that, unlike in the TMO, they were never *told* that their technique was the best, over and over and over and over and over and over, for years and years and decades. The latter approach is called brainwashing, dude. That the people who have been subjected to it believe that their technique is best says nothing whatsoever about the technique, only about the effectiveness of the brainwashing. True Believers are *created*. They don't just happen. You believe that TM is the best because you've been TOLD that so often, for so many years. And sadly, you still don't realize this... To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: I'm converting back to TB-TM
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Doug in FF writing: Turq, i do not know what precedence there may be for this, but for public safety is it not coming time to have the un-registered non- dome attending meditators up in Maharishi Vedic City and on campus wearing armbands identifying themselves as TM-ex, and a special catagory of TM-Gov.-Ex for those un-recertified TM-Govs.? Relax. As much as it may seem at times, given the way that the blissnazis think, that this is the next logical step, IMO it'll never happen. The reason is that what Hoffer calls the True Believer mentality is the same thing that Carlos Castaneda called the Petty Tyrant mentality. And if there are two things that all petty tyrants are, it's 1) cowards, and 2) afraid of doing the things that they do in the open. The secret behind banning people from the domes or excommunicating them from the movement is *secrecy*, the ability to do these things without anyone knowing who exactly is doing it or why. The secret behind being *able* to ban people is that the reasons *why* they're being banned are never made fully clear, never written down, never defined, always a mystery and open to interpretation. That's to keep everyone afraid of doing something -- anything -- wrong, and to keep them from ever knowing for sure exactly *what* might be considered wrong. None of the spiritual True Believers in the TM move- ment have the *balls* to do what you suggest above, as much as they might like to. They're essentially cowards who are terrified of direct confrontation and who can only do this stuff while hiding in closed rooms as part of secret committees that no one knows the real membership of. In Germany (what you're referring to), it was a group of *political* mass movement True Believers who managed to do the sorts of things you're suggesting. They had governmental power and uniforms and weapons to boost their petty tyrant egos to the true tyrant level and get them past the we wish these people we don't like would just go away stage and move things to the if they won't go away on their own, we'll make them level. That rarely happens with spiritual mass movement TBs. It usually takes a religio-political *alliance* (like the Inquisition working in conjunction with the kings of the Catholic countries) to pull off something like that. Without that politico-religious connection, cowards usually remain cowards and only *think* about doing these sorts of things. Now if the Bushies (who have political and military power out the wazoo) really do get together with the Christian mass movement TBs and get on the we should make the unwanted go away bandwagon, *then* you should worry... :-) Evidently this is a 'public safety' matter as we are being told. You know, the negative effect is felt in a way that anyone wearing an arm band identifying them as such probably ought to be picked up off the streets of Maharishi Vedic City or from the campus and bused away to that meditator ghetto south of the railroad tracks here. It would be a felt-effect certainly and make a final solution to the problem in the meditating community here. Pray will the Maharishi Vedic City Mayor up there and our Rajas act in our best interests and remove these ex-people? It evidently would be in everyone's interest, a grave matter of public safety. Yours in Best Faith, -Doug in FF To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: I'm converting back to TB-TM
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That someone can sell a technique to help people relax does not automatically make them a saint. TurquoiseB writes: An excellent point. One of the *foundations* of the True Believer mentality is if this person taught me or told me one thing that has proved useful or true, then everything he says is useful and true. Extrapolating from this assumption, over time True Believers put the leader of their mass movement up on a pedestal and tend to auto- matically believe *everything* they say. They start to assume that the leader has a special presence that normal people don't have. The next, and IMO most dangerous step, is when they start to assume that anyone who doesn't feel and act the same way, and who doesn't put the leader up on the same pedestal that they do is attacking him, or not giving him the proper respect that he is due. Read Bob's statement below with this in mind, and I think you'll see True Believerism at its height. Or depth, depending on your point of view. Bob's last paragraph is True Believerism personified. This seems to be YOUR schtick: I've made up my mind and no amount of new evidence will ever change it and any attempt at discussion on your part is merely a sign of your inability to conclude what I have. MY schtick is: there's new evidence that supports my beliefs and here it is... To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
