Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: In TM, is the mantra empowered by MMY, or Guru Dev?
On May 31, 2007, at 11:27 PM, BillyG. wrote: TM mantras are given by puja, not by adhikara. Adhikara mantra is a mantra given after the guru observes a student for whatever is needed to understand what needs to be given--but it is always given based on the unique propensity of the student, they are not dispensed via mere puja, the inferior and more haphazard method. Interesting comment and observation..it would seem then that an adhikara mantra would be preferable, yes? That would imply a personal Guru I suppose. Some sort of spiritual friend in any event. By inferior I assume you mean that the puja mantra is not as effective, yes? How about these 'Guru's' that have thousands of disciples, isn't that about the same thing? Probably not.
[FairfieldLife] Re: In TM, is the mantra empowered by MMY, or Guru Dev?
One is by puja and the other is by adhikara. Billy wrote: Interesting comment and observation... Billy - There are no adhikara or puja bija mantras in Sri Vidya, only the maha-mantra containing the sixteen syllables, upon which TM practice is based, which are all enumerated in the Tripura Upanaishad. The TM bija mantras all come from Swami Brahmanand, a guru and representative of the Shankaracharya Order, which is based in Sringeri, the home of the Saraswati Dasanamis. There is no higher knowedge than Sri Vidya. All the Shankaracharya Dasanamis worship Tripurasundari, the source of all knowledge of the bija mantras used in Sri Vidya. Shankara placed the Sri Chakra, with the bija mantras inscribed thereon, in all the four seats of learning. He then wisely composed the Soundaryalahari for our understanding.
[FairfieldLife] Re: In TM, is the mantra empowered by MMY, or Guru Dev?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Richard J. Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Billy - There are no adhikara or puja bija mantras in Sri Vidya, only the maha-mantra containing the sixteen syllables, upon which TM practice is based, which are all enumerated in the Tripura Upanaishad. How about this one: OM-Ma-mo-bha-ga-ba-te-ba-su-de-ba-ya. 12 letters, which one is 16? The TM bija mantras all come from Swami Brahmanand, a guru and representative of the Shankaracharya Order, which is based in Sringeri, the home of the Saraswati Dasanamis. There is no higher knowedge than Sri Vidya. Sri Vidya? See below All the Shankaracharya Dasanamis worship Tripurasundari, the source of all knowledge of the bija mantras used in Sri Vidya. Shankara placed the Sri Chakra, with the bija mantras inscribed thereon, in all the four seats of learning. He then wisely composed the Soundaryalahari for our understanding. What is the Sri Chakra and where can I see it?
[FairfieldLife] Re: In TM, is the mantra empowered by MMY, or Guru Dev?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Richard J. Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Billy wrote: What is the Sri Chakra and where can I see it? You can see the Sri Chakra at Sringeri, at Dwarka, at Puri, and at Jyotir Matha. Shankara placed them there. All the members of the Shankara Order worship the Sri Vidya. Swami Brahmananda had a Sri Chakra encrusted with rubies which he kept with him for puja worship. He probably read the Tripura Upanishad on a daily basis. Shankara also composed the Soundaryalahari, with the sixteen bija mantra contained therein. You can also read the Tripura Upanishad - it contains the explanation of the sixteen bija mantras of Sri Vidya. You can also read the commentary by Bhaskarayanatha. You have been given the bija mantra by Swami Bramanand Saraswati, now you are already in the enlightened state - all you have to do is *isolate* the Purusha using Yoga, and then burn up your accumulated karma using tapas. In your case, this might take several lifetimes of devotion to a personal God, practicing Bhakti and Karma Yoga, or, you could use tantric techniques and become a jivanmukti in this very lifetime - it's up to you, Billy. This could be your year of living dangerously. Got it...but, surely there are pictures, yes? How about that 16 syllable mantra, can you spell it out here?
[FairfieldLife] Re: In TM, is the mantra empowered by MMY, or Guru Dev?
Billy wrote: What is the Sri Chakra and where can I see it? You can see the Sri Chakra at Sringeri, at Dwarka, at Puri, and at Jyotir Matha. Shankara placed them there. All the members of the Shankara Order worship the Sri Vidya. Swami Brahmananda had a Sri Chakra encrusted with rubies which he kept with him for puja worship. He probably read the Tripura Upanishad on a daily basis. Shankara also composed the Soundaryalahari, with the sixteen bija mantra contained therein. You can also read the Tripura Upanishad - it contains the explanation of the sixteen bija mantras of Sri Vidya. You can also read the commentary by Bhaskarayanatha. You have been given the bija mantra by Swami Bramanand Saraswati, now you are already in the enlightened state - all you have to do is *isolate* the Purusha using Yoga, and then burn up your accumulated karma using tapas. In your case, this might take several lifetimes of devotion to a personal God, practicing Bhakti and Karma Yoga, or, you could use tantric techniques and become a jivanmukti in this very lifetime - it's up to you, Billy. This could be your year of living dangerously.
[FairfieldLife] Re: In TM, is the mantra empowered by MMY, or Guru Dev?
You can see the Sri Chakra at Sringeri, at Dwarka, at Puri, and at Jyotir Matha. Shankara placed them there. All the members of the Shankara Order worship the Sri Vidya. Swami Brahmananda had a Sri Chakra encrusted with rubies which he kept with him for puja worship. He probably read the Tripura Upanishad on a daily basis. Shankara also composed the Soundaryalahari, with the sixteen bija mantra contained therein. You can also read the Tripura Upanishad - it contains the explanation of the sixteen bija mantras of Sri Vidya. You can also read the commentary by Bhaskarayanatha. You have been given the bija mantra by Swami Bramanand Saraswati, now you are already in the enlightened state - all you have to do is *isolate* the Purusha using Yoga, and then burn up your accumulated karma using tapas. In your case, this might take several lifetimes of devotion to a personal God, practicing Bhakti and Karma Yoga, or, you could use tantric techniques and become a jivanmukti in this very lifetime - it's up to you, Billy. This could be your year of living dangerously. Billy wrote: Got it...but, surely there are pictures, yes? Yes, you can do a Google search on 'Sri Chakra' or 'Sri Yantra'. How about that 16 syllable mantra, can you spell it out here? You will need some flash cards: 'Sanskrit Flash Cards' by Nikolai Bachman And you will probably need a book: 'Learn Sanskrit in 30 Days' by Vidavisarada Available from: http://www.21stbooks.com/ Then you can be reading: 'Auspicious Wisdom' The Texts and Traditions of Srividya Sakta Tantrism in South India by Douglas Renfrew Brooks State University of New York Press, 1992 Other titles of interest: 'The Secret of the Three Cities' An Introduction to Hindu Sakta Tantrism by Douglas Renfrew Brooks University Of Chicago Press, 1998 'The Alchemical Body' Siddha Traditions in Medieval India by David Gordon White Available from Amazon
[FairfieldLife] Re: In TM, is the mantra empowered by MMY, or Guru Dev?
Billy wrote: *Adhikara* is a term used to describe the 'transference' of the power of the 'guru' to the chela via the mantra. Anybody know the TM position on thisor? Billy - According to Sri Vidya, the very instant you recieve the bija mantra from the guru you are in the enlightened state. That's because the bija mantra IS the Adhikara, the total sum of Vac, the Goddess of Speech. All you need to do after that is burn off your accumulated karma through tapas, inner heat. That's the Secret of the Three Cities, Tripurasundari. If there is no illuminative state in the consciousness of the giver, no transference can take placethere is NO adhi-kara. - Swami G. Kriyananda Word-sound, not own-sound, non-person to do it; body-heaps a-turning, common sound seen-to-wit, a fellow, That, not mine. - Tejas Wallah
[FairfieldLife] Re: In TM, is the mantra empowered by MMY, or Guru Dev?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Richard J. Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Billy wrote: *Adhikara* is a term used to describe the 'transference' of the power of the 'guru' to the chela via the mantra. Anybody know the TM position on thisor? Billy - According to Sri Vidya, the very instant you recieve the bija mantra from the guru you are in the enlightened state. That's because the bija mantra IS the Adhikara, the total sum of Vac, the Goddess of Speech. All you need to do after that is burn off your accumulated karma through tapas, inner heat. That's the Secret of the Three Cities, Tripurasundari. If there is no illuminative state in the consciousness of the giver, no transference can take placethere is NO adhi-kara. - Swami G. Kriyananda Word-sound, not own-sound, non-person to do it; body-heaps a-turning, common sound seen-to-wit, a fellow, That, not mine. - Tejas Wallah That would be my guess as well, but certainly you've heard of this phenomenon.a friend of mine, a disciple of Rajinder Singh's group believe that the mantra must be ensouled by a **guru**. MMY is not a guru, but a Maharishi; whatever, thanks for your input.
[FairfieldLife] Re: In TM, is the mantra empowered by MMY, or Guru Dev?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On May 31, 2007, at 7:36 PM, BillyG. wrote: *Adhikara* is a term used to describe the 'transference' of the power of the 'guru' to the chela via the mantra. If there is no illuminative state in the consciousness of the giver, no transference can take placethere is NO adhi-kara. Swami G.Kriyananda Sorry to burst your bubble Billy, but that is not what adhikara style mantra means at all. In terms of mantra diksha, there are two important types. One is by puja and the other is by adhikara. TM mantras are given by puja, not by adhikara. Adhikara mantra is a mantra given after the guru observes a student for whatever is needed to understand what needs to be given--but it is always given based on the unique propensity of the student, they are not dispensed via mere puja, the inferior and more haphazard method. Interesting comment and observation..it would seem then that an adhikara mantra would be preferable, yes? That would imply a personal Guru I suppose. By inferior I assume you mean that the puja mantra is not as effective, yes? How about these 'Guru's' that have thousands of disciples, isn't that about the same thing?
