--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rick Archer" wrote:
>
> From a friend:
>
> A friend of mine is very interested in learning TM, though he cannot
> afford the current fee of $2500. Does anyone know of an independent TM
> teacher who can provide instruction for less, in the San Francisco Ba
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "uns_tressor" wrote:
>
> > "boo_lives"
> > You mean bad marketers? If TM is the greatest meditation
> > ever taught on earth that produces immediate transcending,
> > bliss and longer term scientifically proven perfect health,
> > support of life in ever
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote:
> >
>
> >
> > The whole thing is really a very narrow edge. Once
> > you realize how exceptionally delicate TM is, it's
> > easy to understand how, as MMY said, it could have
From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:fairfieldl...@yahoogroups.com]
On Behalf Of boo_lives
Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2009 8:46 AM
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Independent TM Teachers in the San Francisco
Bay Area?
1. Would TM have been a marketing
> Had the blockheads taken their TM benefits to a top professional
> course in international marketing, then the TMO would have
> really taken off.
>
> This could yet happen.
The long form TM commercials were created by a professional marketing
company. I don't think the problem is just in th
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues"
> wrote:
>
> When you ask about his banishment you may want to include how he felt
> > about them writing him out of the History of the Movement book with
> > zero pictures of Jerr
> "boo_lives"
> You mean bad marketers? If TM is the greatest meditation
> ever taught on earth that produces immediate transcending,
> bliss and longer term scientifically proven perfect health,
> support of life in every way, etc etc, then what should it
> matter that some block heads run
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote:
>
>
> The whole thing is really a very narrow edge. Once
> you realize how exceptionally delicate TM is, it's
> easy to understand how, as MMY said, it could have
> gotten lost over and over again.
>
Somehow that reminded me of what "our
---True! In a larger sense, the case hasn't been made for the
benefits of experiencing TC (regardless of what technique is used);
or for that matter, the relevance of "Pure Consciousness" to
virtually anybody.
I work in a medium sized Co. with 200 people and since 1982 only 2
people have expr
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "boo_lives" wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung wrote:
> > >
> > > I remember Jerry Jarvis telling us that "No one quits TM. They get
> > > off the program and don't know
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "boo_lives" wrote:
> TM claims to be a completely natural
> effortless spontaneous process based on the natural
> tendency of the mind but if someone stops then
> suddenly they're not "doing it right" and the mind
> seems to have naturally slipped into someth
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj wrote:
>
>
> On Jan 23, 2009, at 10:49 AM, Duveyoung wrote:
>
> > I remember Jerry Jarvis telling us that "No one quits TM. They get
> > off the program and don't know it and don't come in for checking, so
> > they stop getting results and think that TM
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "boo_lives" wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung wrote:
> >
> > I remember Jerry Jarvis telling us that "No one quits TM. They get
> > off the program and don't know it and don't come in for checking, so
> > they stop getting results an
> I just don't trust the way he's parsing it which is as if to say "TM
> is perfect in it's instruction and it's checking, so therefore the >
only things that's wrong if you quit or fade out of practice, is
> YOU." I just don't buy that. But it is interesting how well he
parses > his arrogance. It'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung wrote:
>
> I remember Jerry Jarvis telling us that "No one quits TM. They get
> off the program and don't know it and don't come in for checking, so
> they stop getting results and think that TM has failed instead of the
> truth being that the "new
On Jan 23, 2009, at 10:49 AM, Duveyoung wrote:
I remember Jerry Jarvis telling us that "No one quits TM. They get
off the program and don't know it and don't come in for checking, so
they stop getting results and think that TM has failed instead of the
truth being that the "new technique they'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues"
wrote:
When you ask about his banishment you may want to include how he felt
> about them writing him out of the History of the Movement book with
> zero pictures of Jerry in the beginning. Do you know the book I am
> talking about?
No. G
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung wrote:
>
> I remember Jerry Jarvis telling us that "No one quits TM. They get
> off the program and don't know it and don't come in for checking, so
> they stop getting results and think that TM has failed instead of
the> truth being that the "new t
I remember Jerry Jarvis telling us that "No one quits TM. They get
off the program and don't know it and don't come in for checking, so
they stop getting results and think that TM has failed instead of the
truth being that the "new technique they've slipped into" has failed.
Edg
--- In Fairfield
On Jan 23, 2009, at 9:34 AM, uns_tressor wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj wrote:
1. Would TM have been a marketing success if
people knew that ...
"Would", Vaj ?
TM has been a marketing success in the past, because IT WORKS,
Vaj. And the checking system works. A great deal
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "uns_tressor"
wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj wrote:
> >
> > 1. Would TM have been a marketing success if
> > people knew that ...
> >
> "Would", Vaj ?
>
> TM has been a marketing success in the past, because IT WORKS,
> Vaj. And the ch
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj wrote:
>
> 1. Would TM have been a marketing success if
> people knew that ...
>
"Would", Vaj ?
TM has been a marketing success in the past, because IT WORKS,
Vaj. And the checking system works. A great deal more than can
be said of many systems.
It is
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" wrote:
>
> IIRC part of the pledge of the TM teacher was to teach
> it under the circumstances dictated by MMY and/or the
> organizations he created to carry out his mission.
>
If this is true, then it introduces a moral issue, distinct
from the is
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "dhamiltony2k5" wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rick Archer" wrote:
> >
> > From a friend:
> >
> > A friend of mine is very interested in learning TM, though he cannot
> > afford the current fee of $2500. Does anyone know of an independent
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues"
wrote:
>
> > IIRC part of the pledge of the TM teacher was to teach it under the
> > circumstances dictated by MMY and/or the organizations he created to
> > carry out his mission. SO the question arises: if someone violates a
> > promise
> IIRC part of the pledge of the TM teacher was to teach it under the
> circumstances dictated by MMY and/or the organizations he created to
> carry out his mission. SO the question arises: if someone violates a
> promise in one sense, do you trust them to not violate the promise
in> another.
>
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "uns_tressor"
wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "dhamiltony2k5"
> > wrote:
> > > Well, yes but it is not 'TM' of course because it is not taught
> > > through the TM organizatio
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "uns_tressor" wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "dhamiltony2k5"
> wrote:
> > Well, yes but it is not 'TM' of course because it is not taught
> > through the TM organization.
> >
> The definition of TM is "Transcendental Meditation as taugh
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "uns_tressor"
wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "uns_tressor"
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "dhamiltony2k5"
> > > wrote:
> > > > Well, yes bu
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "uns_tressor"
> wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "dhamiltony2k5"
> > wrote:
> > > Well, yes but it is not 'TM' of course because it is not taught
> > > through the TM organi
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rick Archer" wrote:
>
> From a friend:
>
> A friend of mine is very interested in learning TM, though he cannot
> afford the current fee of $2500. Does anyone know of an independent
>TM
> teacher who can provide instruction for less, in the San Francisco
TurquoiseB wrote:
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu wrote:
>
>> TurquoiseB wrote:
>>
>>> Another is the fact that many teachers really
>>> *did* feel a "buzz" from doing puja. I never
>>> felt much of one, but some did, and they assoc-
>>> iate that buzz with magical thinki
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu wrote:
>
> TurquoiseB wrote:
> > Another is the fact that many teachers really
> > *did* feel a "buzz" from doing puja. I never
> > felt much of one, but some did, and they assoc-
> > iate that buzz with magical thinking and feel
> > that something a
---True - it's the Shakti (but not much of that in Spain).
In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu wrote:
> >
> > TurquoiseB wrote:
> > > Another is the fact that many teachers really
> > > *did* feel a "buzz" from doing puja. I ne
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu wrote:
>
> TurquoiseB wrote:
> > Another is the fact that many teachers really
> > *did* feel a "buzz" from doing puja. I never
> > felt much of one, but some did, and they assoc-
> > iate that buzz with magical thinking and feel
> > that something a
TurquoiseB wrote:
> Another is the fact that many teachers really
> *did* feel a "buzz" from doing puja. I never
> felt much of one, but some did, and they assoc-
> iate that buzz with magical thinking and feel
> that something about *their* buzz helped give
> their initiates a buzz, too.
>
Tha
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung wrote:
>
> Thanks, do.rflex, for the below, ya saved me a lot of typing.
>
> I was worried that our dialog was going to be one of those never ending
> nitpickers, but you've finally played the last card needed for me to see
> your hand in this "deal
Thanks, do.rflex, for the below, ya saved me a lot of typing.
I was worried that our dialog was going to be one of those never ending
nitpickers, but you've finally played the last card needed for me to see
your hand in this "deal." Thanks for showing me that, once again, you
cannot handle playing
On Jan 22, 2009, at 9:45 AM, boo_lives wrote:
We were taught to portray the mantra selection as objective but also
as something that was especially suited to the individual in a kind of
cosmic way. Consider these 2 pts:
1. Would TM have been a marketing success if people knew that MMY
arbitra
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung wrote:
>
> > > So, are you equally comfortable the to give an
> > > "official-as-decreed-by-MMY" second lecture in
> > > w
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "uns_tressor"
>wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "dhamiltony2k5"
> wrote:
> > Well, yes but it is not 'TM' of course because it is not taught
> > through the TM organization.
> >
> The definition of TM is "Transcendental Meditation as tau
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "uns_tressor"
wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "dhamiltony2k5"
> wrote:
> > Well, yes but it is not 'TM' of course because it is not taught
> > through the TM organization.
> >
> The definition of TM is "Transcendental Meditation as taug
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "dhamiltony2k5"
wrote:
> Well, yes but it is not 'TM' of course because it is not taught
> through the TM organization.
>
The definition of TM is "Transcendental Meditation as taught by
Maharishi Mahesh Yogi".
It must be true that, if what is being taugh
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "wayback71" wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB wrote:
> >
> > Edg, in my opinion the adherence to the "Gotta
> > do the puja" thang comes from many sources. One
> > is the overall "Maharishisez" EQUALS "gotta"
> > mindset that was dr
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, I am the eternal wrote:
>
> On Wed, Jan 21, 2009 at 9:10 PM, wayback71 wrote:
>
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB wrote:
> > There were also many stories of people seeing these robed, older men
> > walking around the
> > room while puja w
On Wed, Jan 21, 2009 at 9:10 PM, wayback71 wrote:
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB wrote:
> There were also many stories of people seeing these robed, older men
> walking around the
> room while puja was going on during initiations-of some saying they saw
> "the guy in the
> pi
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB wrote:
>
> Edg, in my opinion the adherence to the "Gotta
> do the puja" thang comes from many sources. One
> is the overall "Maharishisez" EQUALS "gotta"
> mindset that was drilled into us for so many
> years or decades.
>
> Another is the fact t
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung wrote:
> > So, are you equally comfortable the to give an
> > "official-as-decreed-by-MMY" second lecture in
> > which you are required to shuck and jive the
> > folks about the mantra bein
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung wrote:
>
> "do.rflex" wrote:
> > The training at TTC included clear, specific explanations by Maharishi
> > about what indeed takes place as the mantra is given - which my own
> > experience teaching has repeatedly confirmed.
>
> So, are you equally
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rick Archer" wrote:
>
> From a friend:
>
> A friend of mine is very interested in learning TM, though he
>cannot
> afford the current fee of $2500. Does anyone know of an independent
>TM
> teacher who can provide instruction for less, in the San Francisc
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung wrote:
>
> Instruct me then:
>
> How would you answer the below questions from a first lecture audience:
>
> "Hi! My brother's an initiator and so I have an insider's viewpoint
> that has led me to ask these questions:
I'd likely have stopped y
Instruct me then:
How would you answer the below questions from a first lecture audience:
"Hi! My brother's an initiator and so I have an insider's viewpoint
that has led me to ask these questions:
Where did these mantras come from? Who invented them? How are they
used and why? Did Maharishi
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung wrote:
>
> Not sure you answered me, cuz, I want to know if you, as I did,
> outrightly lied about the mantras utilizing a variety of diversions,
> subtrafuges, misdirections, spinnings, and lies.
No. I didn't. And I think it's shameful that you di
Not sure you answered me, cuz, I want to know if you, as I did,
outrightly lied about the mantras utilizing a variety of diversions,
subtrafuges, misdirections, spinnings, and lies.
I assured my audiences that these mantras were known for their
life-supporting effects and had been refined througho
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung wrote:
>
> Okay, I'll play along with your "game" once more.
>
> Do you give full knowledge about the mantras when you give a second
> lecture?
That's better.
I haven't initiated for a long time, but when I did, I'd answer
questions openly if the
Okay, I'll play along with your "game" once more.
Do you give full knowledge about the mantras when you give a second
lecture?
Edg
-- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "do.rflex" wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung wrote:
> >
> > "do.rflex" wrote:
> > > The training at
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung wrote:
>
> "do.rflex" wrote:
> > The training at TTC included clear, specific explanations by Maharishi
> > about what indeed takes place as the mantra is given - which my own
> > experience teaching has repeatedly confirmed.
>
> So, are you equally
Edg, in my opinion the adherence to the "Gotta
do the puja" thang comes from many sources. One
is the overall "Maharishisez" EQUALS "gotta"
mindset that was drilled into us for so many
years or decades.
Another is the fact that many teachers really
*did* feel a "buzz" from doing puja. I never
fe
"do.rflex" wrote:
> The training at TTC included clear, specific explanations by Maharishi
> about what indeed takes place as the mantra is given - which my own
> experience teaching has repeatedly confirmed.
So, are you equally comfortable the to give an
"official-as-decreed-by-MMY" second lectur
Have no fear- The Great Obama will provide whatever instruction is
necessary.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008
wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rick Archer" rick@ wrote:
> >
> > From a friend:
> >
> > A friend of mine is very interested in learning TM, though
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk"
wrote:
>
> This is one of the reasons why I always felt someone like Deepak
> Chopra should have begun his experience in the TMO as a Flower Boy on
> Saturday mornings. Chopra is very much someone who, deservedly, was
> a star pupil because h
--(has a 415 telephone #): ...TM teacher available at
http://www.thequietpath.org
- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Richard M"
wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk"
> wrote:
> >
> > This is one of the reasons why I always felt someone like Deepak
> > Chopra shoul
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk"
wrote:
>
> This is one of the reasons why I always felt someone like Deepak
> Chopra should have begun his experience in the TMO as a Flower Boy on
> Saturday mornings. Chopra is very much someone who, deservedly, was
> a star pupil because h
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rick Archer" wrote:
>
> From a friend:
>
> A friend of mine is very interested in learning TM, though he
cannot
> afford the current fee of $2500. Does anyone know of an independent
TM
> teacher who can provide instruction for less, in the San Francisco
This is one of the reasons why I always felt someone like Deepak
Chopra should have begun his experience in the TMO as a Flower Boy on
Saturday mornings. Chopra is very much someone who, deservedly, was
a star pupil because he studied his ass off...but he was also the
Dauphin-like golden boy.
Rick, the friend of your friend wants
to learn TM from Paul Brown.
http://www.thequietpath.org/
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rick Archer" wrote:
>
> From a friend:
>
> A friend of mine is very interested in
> learning TM, though he cannot
> afford the current fee of $2500. Does
> a
Worship imbues the object of focus with vibration, feeling, sound, and
resonance with unseen, unspoken mystical power, beyond the senses,
whether it is the Catholic Eucharist, Native American dances and
chants, prayers to Mecca, a pilgrimage to the Haj, yagynas, a fire
ceremony, Buddhist rituals, S
Rick,
Do you feel the puja etc. is necessary for the technique to "get
activated by Guru Dev" or something of that ilk?
Seems to me that an ancient ritual has a chance of helping (deluding?)
a newbie to imprint on the technique, so that's a practical benefit,
but do you actually think there's som
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