[FairfieldLife] Re: Lakshman Joo

[emptyb...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

Yep, maybe we are all wilted flowers 
but behind the sofa is for girly men.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Lakshman Joo

[emptyb...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

You are a man of preconceived notions.

For a bhogi like you, that is revealing. 
Maybe you should re-read Vyasa's commentary on the Sun sutra.
It is all about Bhu-mandala. But of course, you don't read about such things 
'cause yer just a bhogi. 

Too bad. If you had seen what I have seen in Bhu-mandala, (seen not read) you 
wouldn't claim to be such a stinkun' high yogi.

If you had seen it you would be cowering behind the sofa too.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Lakshman Joo

[awoelfleba...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 You are a man of preconceived notions.

For a bhogi like you, that is revealing. 
Maybe you should re-read Vyasa's commentary on the Sun sutra.
It is all about Bhu-mandala. But of course, you don't read about such things 
'cause yer just a bhogi. 

Too bad. If you had seen what I have seen in Bhu-mandala, (seen not read) you 
wouldn't claim to be such a stinkun' high yogi.

If you had seen it you would be cowering behind the sofa too.
 

 Hey, I don't want any bhogi men hiding behind the sofa with me - he can find 
his own hiding place, thank you very much, Billy Boy.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Lakshman Joo

[emptyb...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

Putch Das Leepa:

Yes Yes ... the word "putch" brings back all those good ol' memories.

Yep, I participated in the Kapp Putch during March of 1920. 
It did negate the Spartacus revolutionary attempt to overthrow the government 
(all the stuff Bari2 wants) but then it created the Weimar Republic ... the 
prototype of 20th century culture. 




After all the fuss, I had to "retire" to Italy for a few years (those 
over-jealous prosecutors always need someone to blame) but in the end it gave 
us a new view about things ...


 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Lakshman Joo

[Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife]]

Very relevant for a lot more than that.  See how limited knowledge is 
when you only get it from books?  Even Dr. Lad explains it better than 
that.  I would urge people to watch the video and try some swara yoga.


On 11/01/2015 06:10 PM, emptyb...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote:


Trying breathing out of your left nostril for a change.

Ida, Pingala or Madyamais only relevant if you are going somewhere.
I don't need to go somewhere to "get samâdhi".
For that matter, unless I'm doing tapasya, I don't need to cool down 
or heat up.


However, I recognize that a discussion with you is like having one 
with Barry.

In the end,it is just posturing.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Lakshman Joo

[emptyb...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

See how limited knowledge is when you only get it from books? 

So have you been out to any part of bhu-mandala yet?
Didn't think so. For someone who professes to be a tantrika, such experiences 
exceeds you because you are a prisoner of your physical senses. You don't get 
to first see and then interact with bhu-mandala and its beings because you 
practice kali-pujas. 

However, I'll have to try out the practice of turning away and enlivening left 
nostril breathing to pacify the spouse. I wasn't married when I examined 
Swarúdaya the first time, so I have to give credit to these really important 
parts of the tantra teaching of this lineage.

No doubt the bitches will cower in awe.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Lakshman Joo

[Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife]]

You are a man of preconceived notions.

On 11/02/2015 06:40 PM, emptyb...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote:


See how limited knowledge is when you only get it from books?

So have you been out to any part of bhu-mandala yet?
Didn't think so. For someone who professes to be a tantrika, such 
experiences exceeds you because you are a prisoner of your physical 
senses. You don't get to first see and then interact with bhu-mandala 
and its beings because you practice kali-pujas.


However, I'll have to try out the practice of turning away and 
enlivening left nostril breathing to pacify the spouse. I wasn't 
married when I examined Swarúdaya the first time, so I have to give 
credit to these really important parts of the tantra teaching of this 
lineage.


No doubt the bitches will cower in awe.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Lakshman Joo

[awoelfleba...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 See how limited knowledge is when you only get it from books? 

So have you been out to any part of bhu-mandala yet?
Didn't think so. For someone who professes to be a tantrika, such experiences 
exceeds you because you are a prisoner of your physical senses. You don't get 
to first see and then interact with bhu-mandala and its beings because you 
practice kali-pujas. 

However, I'll have to try out the practice of turning away and enlivening left 
nostril breathing to pacify the spouse. I wasn't married when I examined 
Swarúdaya the first time, so I have to give credit to these really important 
parts of the tantra teaching of this lineage.

No doubt the bitches will cower in awe.
 
 

 Well, I know I'm hiding behind the sofa as you speak. BTW, have you ever 
studied the teachings of Riddleme Thatonebat Man? Or practiced the deep 
practice of Boogiedown? Maybe you have read the works of Putcha Dasleep?

[FairfieldLife] Re: Lakshman Joo

[emptyb...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

Trying breathing out of your left nostril for a change.

Ida, Pingala or Madyama is only relevant if you are going somewhere.
I don't need to go somewhere to "get samâdhi".
For that matter, unless I'm doing tapasya, I don't need to cool down or heat 
up. 

However, I recognize that a discussion with you is like having one with Barry. 
In the end,it is just posturing.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Lakshman Joo

[emptyb...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

Go find a teacher you lazy SOB.

Go tell it to Tigunati. 

Anyone who makes your kind of blind declarations is 
imprisoned in their own experience and sampradaya.
This is not team sports although you seem to think it is. 

The TMO is full of your kind of narrow-minded "practitioners".
You appear to only know what you have personally experienced
and learned from MMY and your tantric guru. No wonder you consider this the 
measure of all reality.

Ever been out to bhu-mandala? 
Go take another look motherf'er. Your swara of udana-vayu would become 
apana-vayu as you shit your pants. Then come brag about what a great yogin you 
are and how you came to this world to bless us all.

You are arrogant beyond your intelligence - but then bhogi-s like you are a 
dime a dozen. 


  
 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Lakshman Joo

[Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife]]

Trying breathing out of your left nostril for a change.

On 11/01/2015 05:03 PM, emptyb...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote:


Go find a teacher you lazy SOB.

Go tell it to Tigunati.

Anyone who makes your kind of blind declarations is
imprisoned in their own experience and sampradaya.
This is not team sports although you seem to think it is.

The TMO is full of your kind of narrow-minded "practitioners".
You appear to only know what you have personally experienced
and learned from MMY and your tantric guru. No wonder you consider 
this the measure of all reality.


Ever been out to bhu-mandala?
Go take another look motherf'er. Your swara of udana-vayu would become 
apana-vayu as you shit your pants.Then come brag about what a great 
yogin you are and how you came to this world to bless us all.


You are arrogant beyond your intelligence - but then bhogi-s like you 
are a dime a dozen.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Lakshman Joo

[Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife]]

Oh Empty Bhogi, do you use Swara Yoga? Did you bother to watch Dr. Lads 
YouTube video I posted a link to that explains it very well.  Funny 
thing is MMY never talked about it other than the "Nabaswan" (sp?) tape 
but it is a very essential part of tantra.  And very useful.  The Lad 
video is actually about 4 short lectures on the subject.  The Swara Yoga 
part starts about 4 minutes in.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2aRapV6WgMc 



What nostril are you breathing out of right now?

On 11/01/2015 01:45 PM, emptyb...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote:


Sounds swara yoga related:

Swara Yoga (union with the upsurge) is a mix of a particular yogic 
knowledge (prana vidya) and accretions from the general yogic tradition.


One example of an accretion is the attribution of standard yantra 
shapes to the forms that the breath-effluence leaves when the 
practitioner breaths upon a mirror.


Yogins practicing swara don't need to depend upon external emblems 
appearing upon a mirror or upon the calculation of which digit of the 
hand that the out-breath extends out to touch.


Contrarily, visualization of the yantras in the nadis and chakras is 
itself a doorway into the swara of prana and the various lokas of the 
"local" universe of bhu-mandala.


If anyone here had ever come face to face with the loci and denizens 
of the bhu-mandala lokas they would have run away dumbfounded.


Better to just speculate and then post about the latest U-Tube.
Life is so simple that way.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Lakshman Joo

[emptyb...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

Sounds swara yoga related:

Swara Yoga (union with the upsurge) is a mix of a particular yogic knowledge 
(prana vidya) and accretions from the general yogic tradition. 

One example of an accretion is the attribution of standard yantra shapes to the 
forms that the breath-effluence leaves when the practitioner breaths upon a 
mirror. 

Yogins practicing swara don't need to depend upon external emblems appearing 
upon a mirror or upon the calculation of which digit of the hand that the 
out-breath extends out to touch.

Contrarily, visualization of the yantras in the nadis and chakras is itself a 
doorway into the swara of prana and the various lokas of the "local" universe 
of bhu-mandala. 

If anyone here had ever come face to face with the loci and denizens of the 
bhu-mandala lokas they would have run away dumbfounded.

Better to just speculate and then post about the latest U-Tube.
Life is so simple that way.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Lakshman Joo

[Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife]]

Perhaps WikiBilly would be an even better title.

Real tantra cannot be learned from books. Go find a teacher you lazy 
SOB.  You sound like you are stuck with only your right nostril open.


On 11/01/2015 02:48 PM, emptyb...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote:


Bari2 sez "bhogi":

Do you even know what the term "bhoga" references
in yoga and tantra?

Absorption in bhoga is a klesha in Patanjali yoga.
However, it the very method for realizing moksha in tantra.

And yes, I worked with swara after studying
"Fire And Light" - along with a different translation.
I found it interesting but indirect when compared to
transcending or turning back the light; aka:
reversion of attention to its source without an object.

So don't bother me with yer "bhoga gomaya".
I've been looking at Tigunait's "Secret of the Yoga Sutra".
He is a seasoned yogi & an East-West scholar.
He gives the lie to your self-serving claims about
scholarship vs. "experience".

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Lakshman Joo

[emptyb...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

Bari2 sez "bhogi":

Do you even know what the term "bhoga" references 
in yoga and tantra?

Absorption in bhoga is a klesha in Patanjali yoga.
However, it the very method for realizing moksha in tantra.

And yes, I worked with swara after studying 
"Fire And Light" - along with a different translation.
I found it interesting but indirect when compared to 
transcending or turning back the light; aka: 
reversion of attention to its source without an object.

So don't bother me with yer "bhoga gomaya".
I've been looking at Tigunait's "Secret of the Yoga Sutra".
He is a seasoned yogi & an East-West scholar. 
He gives the lie to your self-serving claims about 
scholarship vs. "experience".

[FairfieldLife] Re: Lakshman Joo

[dhamiltony...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

Thanks Emptyb, that is helpful. For several years I have been working with a 
number of special collections [scholarly libraries] around the country 
archiving primary source material on the TM movement. A few weeks ago I ran 
across someone in conversation here in Fairfield who was in California during 
the SRM days and also went to the India TTC courses. I asked him what he was 
going to do with his 'old things' about TM and he furnished me with things to 
send on to these special collections. Along with other things was a nice old 
picture of Maharishi with Lakshman Joo without context. 
 
 
 I had heard that when Maharishi would go back to India over the years he would 
seek out and meet with someone from Kashmir. Maybe this guy is that person. 
-JaiGuruYou  

 

 Emptyb writes:
 

BTW - Swami Lakshman Joo's Karshmir Shaiva views are probably the real source 
for MMY's teachings about self-referral "consciousness" in the Rig Veda. It 
sounds like classic Shaiva Trika when it espouses terms like "expansion of 
consciousness" back to the supreme "I" (aham).

 Kashmiri Shaivites use the term Prakasha(luminous consciousness, primordial 
light consciousness) to describe the nature of the Absolute and vimarsa 
(reflexive awareness) is used to describe the activity of Shiva as universal 
consciousness. The term "Spanda" (vibration, movement, creativity) is also an 
important element of the Shaiva non-dual Absolute. Spanda is associated with 
Shakti https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shakti and is seen as the energetic 
creative power of Shiva. The dynamic self-regenerating nature of Shiva in 
Kashmir Shaivism is explained as conscious activity (citikriya) and divine 
pulsing radiance (sphuratta).

 Aham, the Heart of Śiva
 

 Aham is the concept of supreme reality as heart. It is considered to be a 
non-dual interior space of Śiva, support for the entire manifestation, supreme 
mantra and identical to Śakti.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 What was Maharishi's connection to this mystic?
 I have an archival picture of the two of them together from the 1960's.
 Just wondering how Lashman Joo related to SBS-Shankaracharya and early days of 
SRM?
 

 Lakshman Joo - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lakshman_Joo

 
 
 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lakshman_Joo
 
 Lakshman Joo - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lakshman_Joo Lakshmanjoo, known as Swami 
Lakshmanjoo Raina (9 May 1907 – 27 September 1991) was a mystic and scholar of 
Kashmir Shaivism or Trika. ...


 
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