Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Mindfulness; the Guru as mantra - Let 'er rip, or not?
On 6/1/2014 1:46 PM, emptyb...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: > So where did you learn practice Shikan taza for how long? > FYI: I sat with Suzuki Roshi at the SFZC for a year in 1968 and with Jokusho Kwong-roshi since 1969 whenever I visit my daughter who lives in Sonoma, so it's been 46 years now that I've been practicing in the Soto Zen tradition. Up in northern California lots of people practice various types of meditation. Sonoma Mountain Zen Center is situated on 80 acres of rolling hills and mountainous land, located 11 miles from the town of Santa Rosa. We are thinking about moving there next year so we can sit with roshi full-time. Inside the Sonoma Zen Center: Jakusho Kwong-roshi was born in Santa Rosa in 1935 and began studying Zen with Shunryu Suzuki-roshi in 1959. He received ordination at San Francisco Zen Center in 1970 and began establishing Sonoma Mountain Zen Center in 1973 as his commemoration to his teacher. Kwong-roshi completed Dharma transmission in 1978 through Hoitsu Suzuki-roshi at Rinsoin, Japan. This authorized him as Dharma successor to Suzuki-roshi's lineage. Kwong-roshi travels annually to the Southwest, Iceland and Poland to lead sesshins for affiliate sitting groups. Sonoma Mountain Zen Center: http://www.smzc.net/ On Sun, Jun 1, 2014 at 1:46 PM, emptyb...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] < FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com> wrote: > > > So where did you learn practice Shikan taza for how long? > >
[FairfieldLife] Re: Mindfulness; the Guru as mantra - Let 'er rip, or not?
So where did you learn & practice Shikan taza & for how long?
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Mindfulness; the Guru as mantra - Let 'er rip, or not?
On 5/30/2014 11:45 PM, TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: Thank you, Empty, for at last providing a little context. It was growing painful watching people here other than Anartaxius talk about *something they have never studied or practiced in their lives*, > You are mistaken - I've tried both and found them to be very similar - both practices are based on thinking, and then going beyond thought. Apparently I'm the only respondent here that has actually completed a course in Buddhist mindfullness training under a teacher. You can correct me if I am wrong about this. The courses I took were conducted by Suzui Roshi and the Trungpa Tulku. Apparently you once visited a Tibetan Temple in Sante Fe and lit a stick of incense to a statue of Yama. Go figure. as if they not only knew what it was but as if they knew all about it and had no need for it. Typical TMer hubris. It was almost as embarrassing as watching Maharishi talk about Christian concepts he also knew nothing about. > Now this is funny - coming from a guy that read over 200 books on the Cathars and once lived in France, /but read not a single book on the Gnostics./ *From:* "emptyb...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]" *To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *Sent:* Saturday, May 31, 2014 1:19 AM *Subject:* [FairfieldLife] Re: Mindfulness; the Guru as mantra - Let 'er rip, or not? Judy you are quite correct. This was how I was using the term: as in the Latin term recollctus.- gathering back again or bringing back to conscious mind the previous point of attention. This is really quite old stuff in the Roman Catholic contemplative tradition, based as it is upon the three succeeding stages of recollection, meditation, contemplation or the "ways" of purgation, illuminationj, union. "Mindfulness" is a translation of the term sati (Pali) or smriti (Sanskrit). The formal meditative practice is known in Buddhism as satipatthana (Pali) or smṛtyupasthāna (Sanskrit). Satipatthana - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Satipatthana> image <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Satipatthana> Satipatthana - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Satipatthana> Mindfulness-based stress reduction Mindfulness-based cognitive therapy View on en.wikipedia.org <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Satipatthana> Preview by Yahoo --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Mindfulness; the Guru as mantra - Let 'er rip, or not?
Mindfulness, or faking a state of infinite consciousness, is a mediocre technique. Remember the Yugo? I didn't have to know anything about it, not to buy one. You would rather watch TV and Movies, while doing your 'mindfulness'. I just avoid that, and live in the real world, instead. I really don't have a choice, and neither do you. You and curt have both admitted having weak and shallow meditation experiences, in addition to not fully understanding a spiritual journey, AND both quitting as TM Teachers, long ago. So, forgive me if I give your resulting opinions, no credence, whatsoever. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Thank you, Empty, for at last providing a little context. It was growing painful watching people here other than Anartaxius talk about *something they have never studied or practiced in their lives*, as if they not only knew what it was but as if they knew all about it and had no need for it. Typical TMer hubris. It was almost as embarrassing as watching Maharishi talk about Christian concepts he also knew nothing about. From: "emptybill@... [FairfieldLife]" To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, May 31, 2014 1:19 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Mindfulness; the Guru as mantra - Let 'er rip, or not? Judy you are quite correct. This was how I was using the term: as in the Latin term recollctus.- gathering back again or bringing back to conscious mind the previous point of attention. This is really quite old stuff in the Roman Catholic contemplative tradition, based as it is upon the three succeeding stages of recollection, meditation, contemplation or the "ways" of purgation, illuminationj, union. "Mindfulness" is a translation of the term sati (Pali) or smriti (Sanskrit). The formal meditative practice is known in Buddhism as satipatthana (Pali) or smṛtyupasthāna (Sanskrit). Satipatthana - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Satipatthana https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Satipatthana Satipatthana - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Satipatthana Mindfulness-based stress reduction Mindfulness-based cognitive therapy View on en.wikipedia.org https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Satipatthana Preview by Yahoo
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Mindfulness; the Guru as mantra - Let 'er rip, or not?
Thank you, Empty, for at last providing a little context. It was growing painful watching people here other than Anartaxius talk about *something they have never studied or practiced in their lives*, as if they not only knew what it was but as if they knew all about it and had no need for it. Typical TMer hubris. It was almost as embarrassing as watching Maharishi talk about Christian concepts he also knew nothing about. From: "emptyb...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]" To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, May 31, 2014 1:19 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Mindfulness; the Guru as mantra - Let 'er rip, or not? Judy you are quite correct. This was how I was using the term: as in the Latin term recollctus.- gathering back again or bringing back to conscious mind the previous point of attention. This is really quite old stuff in the Roman Catholic contemplative tradition, based as it is upon the three succeeding stages of recollection, meditation, contemplation or the "ways" of purgation, illuminationj, union. "Mindfulness" is a translation of the term sati (Pali) or smriti (Sanskrit). The formal meditative practice is known in Buddhism as satipatthana (Pali) or smṛtyupasthāna (Sanskrit). Satipatthana - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia Satipatthana - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia Mindfulness-based stress reduction Mindfulness-based cognitive therapy View on en.wikipedia.org Preview by Yahoo
[FairfieldLife] Re: Mindfulness; the Guru as mantra - Let 'er rip, or not?
Judy you are quite correct. This was how I was using the term: as in the Latin term recollctus.- gathering back again or bringing back to conscious mind the previous point of attention. This is really quite old stuff in the Roman Catholic contemplative tradition, based as it is upon the three succeeding stages of recollection, meditation, contemplation or the "ways" of purgation, illuminationj, union. "Mindfulness" is a translation of the term sati (Pali) or smriti (Sanskrit). The formal meditative practice is known in Buddhism as satipatthana (Pali) or smṛtyupasthāna (Sanskrit). Satipatthana - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Satipatthana https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Satipatthana Satipatthana - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Satipatthana Mindfulness-based stress reduction Mindfulness-based cognitive therapy View on en.wikipedia.org https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Satipatthana Preview by Yahoo
[FairfieldLife] Re: Mindfulness; the Guru as mantra - Let 'er rip, or not?
I feel it is generally true too in context, with the saintly likewise; beware the company you keep, there is a field effect value to consider, spiritually. Yep, is worthwhile to be mindful of that in practice, -Buck in the Dome Fleetwood writes: I was thinking about those here, that I know of - Barry, Barry2, and Anne - who have closely studied with a guru, or spiritual teacher, and how the concept, the practice of mindfulness, makes a lot of sense, in that context. As I have expressed before, I am not a big fan of mindfulness, as a meditation practice, on its own, eyes open, or closed, because to my way of thinking, it puts the cart before the horse. However, I can see the strong value in having a spiritual teacher that a person actually has a personal relationship with, combined with mindfulness. That way, the teacher is functioning, much like the correct use of the mantra, in TM - bringing the student to subtler levels and experiences, without the student having a say, in where they want to go (aka, take it easy, take it as it comes). Breaks boundaries, quickly. Seems to me, that the advantage, of a personal relationship, with a spiritual teacher, combined with mindfulness, if done right, would be big, dramatic breakthroughs, in many, many areas - much faster, than the gradual 'erosion' of the mantra - though possible not as comprehensive, either...Both of the Barrys have mentioned significant interactions, as a result of, both, their attention, or mindfulness, on where the guru was pointing, in addition to the strength of the experience, itself, as a result of the guru's proximity. A risky spiritual investment, with a potentially huge upside, and downside - an interesting way to roll. Barrys and Anne (and anyone else), any insights, comments, peanuts, popcorn, confetti, fun-fetti, hair-in-a-can, or spare change??
