[FairfieldLife] Re: Orthorexics of the world, unite! (and feel guilty about your lunch)
84% of Vegetarians and Vegans Return to Meat. Why? https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/animals-and-us/201412/84-vegetarians-and-vegans-return-meat-why https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/animals-and-us/201412/84-vegetarians-and-vegans-return-meat-why 84% of Vegetarians and Vegans Return to Meat. Why? https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/animals-and-us/201412/84-vegetarians-and-vegans-return-meat-why Animal activists should emphasize reduction, not elimination, of eating meat. View on www.psychologytoda... https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/animals-and-us/201412/84-vegetarians-and-vegans-return-meat-why Preview by Yahoo ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sun...@yahoo.com wrote : I went the vegetarian route for many years, but after I graduated MIU, and got into the real world, I realized I needed animal protein to survive. Now, sugar is a different matter. I think that is an outright addiction at this point. On the other hand, I have loved candy and sweets, pretty much from day one. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, richard@... wrote : Dr. Pietro Rotondi (1892-1985), became a vegetarian (vegan with the exception of honey) in 1919 and was a practicing chiropractor and naturopath in Los Angeles, California, until his passing. http://drpietrorotondi.org/ Play on! Pietro Rotondi Rotundi - Play On http://youtu.be/GCOhMca3zVU http://youtu.be/GCOhMca3zVU Rotundi - Play On http://youtu.be/GCOhMca3zVU Rotundi - Play On - 1988 Paul Lacques - drums Peter Curry - bass guitar Peter Lacques - guitar Mike Rose - saxaphone Ray Symszyck - mandolin and trumpet... View on youtu.be http://youtu.be/GCOhMca3zVU Preview by Yahoo ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, richard@... wrote : Be very careful about posting this sort of information on FFL! Most of the informants here may not be ready to hear about the pundit boys taking aspirin for headaches. LoL! [FairfieldLife] I Was a WillyTex Virgin [Re: Drug-Dependent Pundits Riot] http://www.mail-archive.com/fairfieldlife%40yahoogroups.com/msg170833.html http://www.mail-archive.com/fairfieldlife%40yahoogroups.com/msg170833.html [FairfieldLife] I Was a WillyTex Virgin [Re:... http://www.mail-archive.com/fairfieldlife%40yahoogroups.com/msg170833.html One of the advantages of e-discussion over verbal discussion is that there is a record of participants' approaches to argument. Advertising View on www.mail-archive.com http://www.mail-archive.com/fairfieldlife%40yahoogroups.com/msg170833.html Preview by Yahoo ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : Speaking of aspirin. I could have sworn someone on FFL posted a link to Dr. Nancy Lonsdor recommending it to we aging meditators and siddhas along with using Turmeric. In other words, don't just rely on doing program to keep it together.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Orthorexics of the world, unite! (and feel guilty about your lunch)
The ND that told me I was already anemic from trying a vegetarian diet for about 2 weeks told me to have some fish or chicken 2 or 3 times a week. That's all. Some of the TM folks who called themselves vegetarians actually just gave up red meat. They thought they were being vegetarians still eating fish or chicken. Some of the things that the metabolic typing people learned back in the 1970s was that if you are young you can do a vegetarian diet more easily than when old. A younger body can withstand adverse dietary changes than an older body. And then we have the older folks who have never done anything than eat reg'lar food all their lives and decide to try being a vegetarian. They feel good for a while but after a couple years the body starts to suffer. My sister think my brother-in-law vegetarian regime spared kept his heart attack from being fatal. I, on the other hand, think he had the heart attack as a result of his vegie diet. Besides he just excluded meat (except for egg whites) and was eating too many carbs. On the Thom Hartmann message board we have ideological vegetarians who insist that the whole planet should go vegan. I stir them up by telling them that nutrition is not an ideology. They hate the biological individuality notion and accuse me of being with the cattle industry. One day I mentioned that they never asked me which of two groups, carb type or protein type, I belonged too. They were startled to learn that I was a carb type. And they got a rebuke from one of the moderators for their goofiness. I think the woman who was insisting on vegetarianism is of Russian Jewish descent and probably doesn't know her ancestors had to survive (if they were poor which they probably were) on buckwheat and a little scraps of fish. Genetically she can do better than most northern Europeans on a vegetarian diet. She probably has a much slower metabolism. A local building contractor advocates the Mediterranean Diet. For him sure, he came here with his parents from Sicily when he was 4 years old. :-) On 02/08/2015 03:18 AM, j_alexander_stan...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: 84% of Vegetarians and Vegans Return to Meat. Why? https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/animals-and-us/201412/84-vegetarians-and-vegans-return-meat-why image https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/animals-and-us/201412/84-vegetarians-and-vegans-return-meat-why 84% of Vegetarians and Vegans Return to Meat. Why? https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/animals-and-us/201412/84-vegetarians-and-vegans-return-meat-why Animal activists should emphasize reduction, not elimination, of eating meat. View on www.psychologytoda... https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/animals-and-us/201412/84-vegetarians-and-vegans-return-meat-why Preview by Yahoo ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sun...@yahoo.com wrote : I went the vegetarian route for many years, but after I graduated MIU, and got into the real world, I realized I needed animal protein to survive. Now, sugar is a different matter. I think that is an outright addiction at this point. On the other hand, I have loved candy and sweets, pretty much from day one. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, richard@... wrote : Dr. Pietro Rotondi (1892-1985), became a vegetarian (vegan with the exception of honey) in 1919 and was a practicing chiropractor and naturopath in Los Angeles, California, until his passing. http://drpietrorotondi.org/ Play on! Pietro Rotondi Rotundi - Play On http://youtu.be/GCOhMca3zVU image http://youtu.be/GCOhMca3zVU Rotundi - Play On http://youtu.be/GCOhMca3zVU Rotundi - Play On - 1988 Paul Lacques - drums Peter Curry - bass guitar Peter Lacques - guitar Mike Rose - saxaphone Ray Symszyck - mandolin and trumpet... View on youtu.be http://youtu.be/GCOhMca3zVU Preview by Yahoo ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, richard@... wrote : Be very careful about posting this sort of information on FFL! Most of the informants here may not be ready to hear about the pundit boys taking aspirin for headaches. LoL! [FairfieldLife] I Was a WillyTex Virgin [Re: Drug-Dependent Pundits Riot] http://www.mail-archive.com/fairfieldlife%40yahoogroups.com/msg170833.html image http://www.mail-archive.com/fairfieldlife%40yahoogroups.com/msg170833.html [FairfieldLife] I Was a WillyTex Virgin [Re:... http://www.mail-archive.com/fairfieldlife%40yahoogroups.com/msg170833.html One of the advantages of e-discussion over verbal discussion is that there is a record of participants' approaches to argument. Advertising View on www.mail-archive.com http://www.mail-archive.com/fairfieldlife%40yahoogroups.com/msg170833.html Preview by Yahoo ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : Speaking of aspirin. I could have sworn
[FairfieldLife] Re: Orthorexics of the world, unite! (and feel guilty about your lunch)
In fairness to these souls, sometimes you don't quite know the thing you are afraid of. Fear is fear itself. For some people, gluten is their fear of the unknown, which is also a thing that certainly is in bread and makes you chubs. Want to Watch Gluten-Free People Define Gluten? http://nymag.com/thecut/2014/05/want-to-watch-gluten-free-people-define-gluten.html http://nymag.com/thecut/2014/05/want-to-watch-gluten-free-people-define-gluten.html Want to Watch Gluten-Free People Define Gluten? http://nymag.com/thecut/2014/05/want-to-watch-gluten-free-people-define-gluten.html You do. View on nymag.com http://nymag.com/thecut/2014/05/want-to-watch-gluten-free-people-define-gluten.html Preview by Yahoo ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : I went the vegetarian route for many years, but after I graduated MIU, and got into the real world, I realized I needed animal protein to survive. Now, sugar is a different matter. I think that is an outright addiction at this point. On the other hand, I have loved candy and sweets, pretty much from day one. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, richard@... wrote : Dr. Pietro Rotondi (1892-1985), became a vegetarian (vegan with the exception of honey) in 1919 and was a practicing chiropractor and naturopath in Los Angeles, California, until his passing. http://drpietrorotondi.org/ Play on! Pietro Rotondi Rotundi - Play On http://youtu.be/GCOhMca3zVU http://youtu.be/GCOhMca3zVU Rotundi - Play On http://youtu.be/GCOhMca3zVU Rotundi - Play On - 1988 Paul Lacques - drums Peter Curry - bass guitar Peter Lacques - guitar Mike Rose - saxaphone Ray Symszyck - mandolin and trumpet... View on youtu.be http://youtu.be/GCOhMca3zVU Preview by Yahoo ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, richard@... wrote : Be very careful about posting this sort of information on FFL! Most of the informants here may not be ready to hear about the pundit boys taking aspirin for headaches. LoL! [FairfieldLife] I Was a WillyTex Virgin [Re: Drug-Dependent Pundits Riot] http://www.mail-archive.com/fairfieldlife%40yahoogroups.com/msg170833.html http://www.mail-archive.com/fairfieldlife%40yahoogroups.com/msg170833.html [FairfieldLife] I Was a WillyTex Virgin [Re:... http://www.mail-archive.com/fairfieldlife%40yahoogroups.com/msg170833.html One of the advantages of e-discussion over verbal discussion is that there is a record of participants' approaches to argument. Advertising View on www.mail-archive.com http://www.mail-archive.com/fairfieldlife%40yahoogroups.com/msg170833.html Preview by Yahoo ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : Speaking of aspirin. I could have sworn someone on FFL posted a link to Dr. Nancy Lonsdor recommending it to we aging meditators and siddhas along with using Turmeric. In other words, don't just rely on doing program to keep it together.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Orthorexics of the world, unite! (and feel guilty about your lunch)
My aspirin story from the TM days is pretty funny, in retrospect. I was
attending an ATR course at Cobb Mountain and managed to get sick the last day
there. I was so sick -- body aches, low fever, classic flu symptoms -- that I
couldn't even drive back to Southern California, so I checked into a motel in
the Bay Area and just laid low, hoping that the symptoms and the aches would
pass so that I could drive the rest of the way back home. After a couple of
days moaning and feeling awful, I was on a food run to the local 7-11 store and
noticed that they had aspirin for sale. At that point I had bought into enough
of the TM don't have anything to do with Western medicine stuff so that I
hadn't taken an aspirin in years, but I was desperate so I bought a bottle and
took a couple of them. Voila...like magic, the pains all went away and I felt
good enough to drive home. I realized at that point that my previous three days
of feeling like crap were all because I was too stupid to take an aspirin.
Haven't made that mistake since.
I was fortunate enough to bail from the TM trip long before the ayurveda crap
arrived and people went completely bonkers over diet trips. Back in my day they
served chicken at all the residence courses and ATR courses, and that suited me
just fine. I spent a few years trying to be a vegetarian, but it never really
fit my disposition very well, so I gave up on it and *all* diet trips and
have just eaten what I felt like eating ever since. My last checkup seems to
indicate that this eat what feels good philosophy has served me well and kept
me pretty healthy, as opposed to many vegans and vegetarians I know who are
sick all the time. I haven't even had a cold in a couple of years.
From: ultrarishi no_re...@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, February 7, 2015 8:35 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Orthorexics of the world, unite! (and feel guilty
about your lunch)
Interesting article. My wife and I hang around a bunch of yoga folks who
do not do TM. They are all all-over-the-map as it were when it comes to diet.
Most of what I hear is bullshit and unscientific and most of them have problems
with weight control. We got vegans, vegetarians, paleos and omnivores.
My wife after successfully battling colon cancer a few years back decided to
become vegan. I shared the video Forks Over Knives to give her some hope and
she took to it much to my chagrin. She's a hard core vegan now while I'm still
a regular old omnivore. She looks great and I think being vegan gives her a
feeling (right or wrong) that she has some control over her life and that this
might prevent a recurrence of the cancer or something new popping up.
However, she is also harder to live with because of the conversion. She's
constantly indoctrinating herself with the vegan gospel ala Drs. Gerber,
Bernard, and McDougal. She is very unforgiving and critical of fat people who
eat poorly and doesn't trust anything in main stream medicine or media. I get
where she is coming from and I can see the food and health connections and I am
totally behind the crap big media feeds us about big pharma, big medicine, big
agra, and big oil. But, I see vegans walking away from money on the table when
it comes to common sense. Since I hit 55 I've doing the daily low dose aspirin
regimen. It's cheap and slightly tilt the odds in my favor against a whole
host of maladies. My wife, however, will not par take. She wants to believe
the vegan diet will be enough, even though a study published in Lancet showed
her cancer showed a 25% less chance of recurrence if a low dose aspirin was
taken daily. I don't believe there is another drug for love or money that
will give you that much of a hedge.
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Orthorexics of the world, unite! (and feel guilty about your lunch)
Your body does indeed tell you what you want to eat. If I have a craving for something ignoring it can usually make me feel worse. Sticking to food rules can often be disastrous. I'm not talking about food allergy cravings here which need to be sorted out but the everyday appetite which may suggest having a steak over eating a salad. Another adventure with a naturopath was with Dr. Bastyr who has a ND college named after him. I had a breakout of essentially jock itch so went to him. He recommended swabbing the area with a mixture of vitamin C and E. Didn't work. I told my brother-in-law about and he said that Tinactin worked with that. So I got some from the drug store and that rash was gone in two days. Now here's the funny part. A couple years back I was listened to Dr. Glidden, a naturopath who hosts a streaming radio show called Fire Your MD. Someone called in with the same problem. What did he recommend? Yup, Tinactin (or similar product). He finished by saying not all western medicine is bad. On 02/07/2015 01:51 AM, TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: */My aspirin story from the TM days is pretty funny, in retrospect. I was attending an ATR course at Cobb Mountain and managed to get sick the last day there. I was so sick -- body aches, low fever, classic flu symptoms -- that I couldn't even drive back to Southern California, so I checked into a motel in the Bay Area and just laid low, hoping that the symptoms and the aches would pass so that I could drive the rest of the way back home. After a couple of days moaning and feeling awful, I was on a food run to the local 7-11 store and noticed that they had aspirin for sale. At that point I had bought into enough of the TM don't have anything to do with Western medicine stuff so that I hadn't taken an aspirin in years, but I was desperate so I bought a bottle and took a couple of them. Voila...like magic, the pains all went away and I felt good enough to drive home. I realized at that point that my previous three days of feeling like crap were all because I was too stupid to take an aspirin. Haven't made that mistake since./* */I was fortunate enough to bail from the TM trip long before the ayurveda crap arrived and people went completely bonkers over diet trips. Back in my day they served chicken at all the residence courses and ATR courses, and that suited me just fine. I spent a few years trying to be a vegetarian, but it never really fit my disposition very well, so I gave up on it and *all* diet trips and have just eaten what I felt like eating ever since. My last checkup seems to indicate that this eat what feels good philosophy has served me well and kept me pretty healthy, as opposed to many vegans and vegetarians I know who are sick all the time. I haven't even had a cold in a couple of years. /* */ /* *From:* ultrarishi no_re...@yahoogroups.com *To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *Sent:* Saturday, February 7, 2015 8:35 AM *Subject:* [FairfieldLife] Re: Orthorexics of the world, unite! (and feel guilty about your lunch) Interesting article. My wife and I hang around a bunch of yoga folks who do not do TM. They are all all-over-the-map as it were when it comes to diet. Most of what I hear is bullshit and unscientific and most of them have problems with weight control. We got vegans, vegetarians, paleos and omnivores. My wife after successfully battling colon cancer a few years back decided to become vegan. I shared the video Forks Over Knives to give her some hope and she took to it much to my chagrin. She's a hard core vegan now while I'm still a regular old omnivore. She looks great and I think being vegan gives her a feeling (right or wrong) that she has some control over her life and that this might prevent a recurrence of the cancer or something new popping up. However, she is also harder to live with because of the conversion. She's constantly indoctrinating herself with the vegan gospel ala Drs. Gerber, Bernard, and McDougal. She is very unforgiving and critical of fat people who eat poorly and doesn't trust anything in main stream medicine or media. I get where she is coming from and I can see the food and health connections and I am totally behind the crap big media feeds us about big pharma, big medicine, big agra, and big oil. But, I see vegans walking away from money on the table when it comes to common sense. Since I hit 55 I've doing the daily low dose aspirin regimen. It's cheap and slightly tilt the odds in my favor against a whole host of maladies. My wife, however, will not par take. She wants to believe the vegan diet will be enough, even though a study published in Lancet showed her cancer showed a 25% less chance of recurrence if a low dose aspirin was taken daily. I don't believe there is another drug for love or money
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Orthorexics of the world, unite! (and feel guilty about your lunch)
A vegan diet would be a good cleansing diet for a few days when the weather is warm but as a regular regime disastrous over time. Cultures near the equator where it is warmer year around can do better on but even folks in India may eat some fish, chicken or goat. There's quite a fishing industry on the Kerala coast. Speaking of McDougal, my relatives all went on that to support my niece losing weight. I questioned that decision but they didn't listen to me. My sister started having strong bouts of depression as result. In fact she credited it to that diet. My brother-in-law though is still vegetarian and seems to have some health problems related to it. My niece is long gone from that scene and her second husband got her to eat animal protein again. McDougal seemed to spark the low fat craze that went on for awhile (followed by a low carb craze). Dr. Robert Lustig, who is a dietary specialist at UCSF, points out that food manufacturers to cash in on the low fat craze simply replaced fats with sugar and thats why people didn't necessarily lose weight on it. My experiment with a vegetarian diet resumed again in the summer of 1977 when another naturopath put me on the Reams program where you drink a lot of lemon juice. He didn't seem to note that the Reams diet didn't advocate vegetarianism. I lost weight alright down to about 20 pound under where I should have been. I also started living in my head and became too cerebral. The diet was alkalizing and there is such a think as becoming too alkaline. I also felt the cold winter more than ever before. Thom Hartmann is a progressive talk host who is a vegan and both he and his wife seem to have maladies that they don't connect with the diet. Yup, he does live in his head too. Thing is, he and his wife studied with Dr. Christopher and I seemed to recall that Christopher never advocated vegetarianism either (confirmed by some of his former students). My brother died of colon cancer but even his VA doctor thought it was from his bad dietary habits. My family was concerned I would get it too but I didn't believe it because I've always maintained good colon health. Now researchers say colon cancer is environmental not genetic. Obviously it was a wise choice not to spend about $2K on a colonoscopy about 16 years ago. On 02/06/2015 11:35 PM, ultrarishi wrote: Interesting article. My wife and I hang around a bunch of yoga folks who do not do TM. They are all all-over-the-map as it were when it comes to diet. Most of what I hear is bullshit and unscientific and most of them have problems with weight control. We got vegans, vegetarians, paleos and omnivores. My wife after successfully battling colon cancer a few years back decided to become vegan. I shared the video Forks Over Knives to give her some hope and she took to it much to my chagrin. She's a hard core vegan now while I'm still a regular old omnivore. She looks great and I think being vegan gives her a feeling (right or wrong) that she has some control over her life and that this might prevent a recurrence of the cancer or something new popping up. However, she is also harder to live with because of the conversion. She's constantly indoctrinating herself with the vegan gospel ala Drs. Gerber, Bernard, and McDougal. She is very unforgiving and critical of fat people who eat poorly and doesn't trust anything in main stream medicine or media. I get where she is coming from and I can see the food and health connections and I am totally behind the crap big media feeds us about big pharma, big medicine, big agra, and big oil. But, I see vegans walking away from money on the table when it comes to common sense. Since I hit 55 I've doing the daily low dose aspirin regimen. It's cheap and slightly tilt the odds in my favor against a whole host of maladies. My wife, however, will not par take. She wants to believe the vegan diet will be enough, even though a study published in Lancet showed her cancer showed a 25% less chance of recurrence if a low dose aspirin was taken daily. I don't believe there is another drug for love or money that will give you that much of a hedge.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Orthorexics of the world, unite! (and feel guilty about your lunch)
Bhairitu Sorry about your brother. We were really lucky. It was caught early. The first doctor didn't catch it. The second doctor did and she almost passed on biopsying the tumor because it was so small. These 2 doctors both had colonoscopies done only a few weeks apart. Causation is a pretty tricky thing with colon cancer, but it seems to show up with job stress (environmental) from some of the reading we have done, and my wife has had severe job stress for the years prior to her diagnosis. When she got done with treatment she agreed that it was time to give up the career she had been passionate about (veterinarian technician). Doctors, especially vets, can be just freaking assholes. She now does pet walking and sitting to get her animal love on. When she starts to get worked up about stuff, I remind her that she's an addict to stress and needs to break the cycle and not introduce into her new life. In didn't know about Thom Hartman being a vegan. I've listen to him on and off for years especially when he was here in Portland, Oregon. I'm a big fan of Dr. Lustig, especially with how bad sugar is in our US culture. I enjoy my wife's vegan meals and I see some clever ways she has worked around stuff she misses from the world of milk, cheese, eggs, meat and oil. But, I'm not drinking the cool aid and converting any time soon. I eat less of the above not for philosophical reasons, but because it all puts weight on me. So, I'm big on whole grain carbs (I'm addicted to pasta, oatmeal and 10 grain cereal) along with veggies. Fruit in small quantities. Too much red meat brings on gout for me, but also not drinking enough water, especially going to bed at night well hydrated, does too.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Orthorexics of the world, unite! (and feel guilty about your lunch)
I went the vegetarian route for many years, but after I graduated MIU, and got into the real world, I realized I needed animal protein to survive. Now, sugar is a different matter. I think that is an outright addiction at this point. On the other hand, I have loved candy and sweets, pretty much from day one. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, richard@... wrote : Dr. Pietro Rotondi (1892-1985), became a vegetarian (vegan with the exception of honey) in 1919 and was a practicing chiropractor and naturopath in Los Angeles, California, until his passing. http://drpietrorotondi.org/ Play on! Pietro Rotondi Rotundi - Play On http://youtu.be/GCOhMca3zVU http://youtu.be/GCOhMca3zVU Rotundi - Play On http://youtu.be/GCOhMca3zVU Rotundi - Play On - 1988 Paul Lacques - drums Peter Curry - bass guitar Peter Lacques - guitar Mike Rose - saxaphone Ray Symszyck - mandolin and trumpet... View on youtu.be http://youtu.be/GCOhMca3zVU Preview by Yahoo ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, richard@... wrote : Be very careful about posting this sort of information on FFL! Most of the informants here may not be ready to hear about the pundit boys taking aspirin for headaches. LoL! [FairfieldLife] I Was a WillyTex Virgin [Re: Drug-Dependent Pundits Riot] http://www.mail-archive.com/fairfieldlife%40yahoogroups.com/msg170833.html http://www.mail-archive.com/fairfieldlife%40yahoogroups.com/msg170833.html [FairfieldLife] I Was a WillyTex Virgin [Re:... http://www.mail-archive.com/fairfieldlife%40yahoogroups.com/msg170833.html One of the advantages of e-discussion over verbal discussion is that there is a record of participants' approaches to argument. Advertising View on www.mail-archive.com http://www.mail-archive.com/fairfieldlife%40yahoogroups.com/msg170833.html Preview by Yahoo ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : Speaking of aspirin. I could have sworn someone on FFL posted a link to Dr. Nancy Lonsdor recommending it to we aging meditators and siddhas along with using Turmeric. In other words, don't just rely on doing program to keep it together.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Orthorexics of the world, unite! (and feel guilty about your lunch)
Speaking of aspirin. I could have sworn someone on FFL posted a link to Dr. Nancy Lonsdor recommending it to we aging meditators and siddhas along with using Turmeric. In other words, don't just rely on doing program to keep it together.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Orthorexics of the world, unite! (and feel guilty about your lunch)
Be very careful about posting this sort of information on FFL! Most of the informants here may not be ready to hear about the pundit boys taking aspirin for headaches. LoL! [FairfieldLife] I Was a WillyTex Virgin [Re: Drug-Dependent Pundits Riot] http://www.mail-archive.com/fairfieldlife%40yahoogroups.com/msg170833.html http://www.mail-archive.com/fairfieldlife%40yahoogroups.com/msg170833.html [FairfieldLife] I Was a WillyTex Virgin [Re:... http://www.mail-archive.com/fairfieldlife%40yahoogroups.com/msg170833.html One of the advantages of e-discussion over verbal discussion is that there is a record of participants' approaches to argument. Advertising View on www.mail-archive.com http://www.mail-archive.com/fairfieldlife%40yahoogroups.com/msg170833.html Preview by Yahoo ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : Speaking of aspirin. I could have sworn someone on FFL posted a link to Dr. Nancy Lonsdor recommending it to we aging meditators and siddhas along with using Turmeric. In other words, don't just rely on doing program to keep it together.
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I think I was fortunate in that I never really gave into the various weird medical practices that spiritual folk seem to get engulfed in; if there wasn't a clear rational explanation for why something might work, and evidence that it would, I generally just was not interested in it. There was a certain perverse joy in watching meditators suffer so valiantly for avoiding medications that would certainly have made them feel much better, and taking ones that instead seemed to do nothing for them, and occasionally made them sicker. It was also kinda fun when people would see an ayurvedic doctor, get a diagnosis, and then send to India for medications which would then take six weeks to arrive. Or looking at their herbal medicine chests which were filled with sometimes fifty or a hundred bottles and jars of stuff. Aspirin [2-(acetoxy)benzoic acid or acetylsalicylic acid] is great stuff. Originally salicyclic acid was used but it was so corrosive to the stomach that it was sometimes worse than the cure. Aspirin was first created in 1853, but its medical use came later on. http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/79/BayerHeroin.png http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/79/BayerHeroin.png http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/79/BayerHeroin.png http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/79/Bayer... http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/79/BayerHeroin.png View on upload.wikimedia.org http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/79/BayerHeroin.png Preview by Yahoo ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : My aspirin story from the TM days is pretty funny, in retrospect. I was attending an ATR course at Cobb Mountain and managed to get sick the last day there. I was so sick -- body aches, low fever, classic flu symptoms -- that I couldn't even drive back to Southern California, so I checked into a motel in the Bay Area and just laid low, hoping that the symptoms and the aches would pass so that I could drive the rest of the way back home. After a couple of days moaning and feeling awful, I was on a food run to the local 7-11 store and noticed that they had aspirin for sale. At that point I had bought into enough of the TM don't have anything to do with Western medicine stuff so that I hadn't taken an aspirin in years, but I was desperate so I bought a bottle and took a couple of them. Voila...like magic, the pains all went away and I felt good enough to drive home. I realized at that point that my previous three days of feeling like crap were all because I was too stupid to take an aspirin. Haven't made that mistake since. I was fortunate enough to bail from the TM trip long before the ayurveda crap arrived and people went completely bonkers over diet trips. Back in my day they served chicken at all the residence courses and ATR courses, and that suited me just fine. I spent a few years trying to be a vegetarian, but it never really fit my disposition very well, so I gave up on it and *all* diet trips and have just eaten what I felt like eating ever since. My last checkup seems to indicate that this eat what feels good philosophy has served me well and kept me pretty healthy, as opposed to many vegans and vegetarians I know who are sick all the time. I haven't even had a cold in a couple of years. From: ultrarishi no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, February 7, 2015 8:35 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Orthorexics of the world, unite! (and feel guilty about your lunch) Interesting article. My wife and I hang around a bunch of yoga folks who do not do TM. They are all all-over-the-map as it were when it comes to diet. Most of what I hear is bullshit and unscientific and most of them have problems with weight control. We got vegans, vegetarians, paleos and omnivores. My wife after successfully battling colon cancer a few years back decided to become vegan. I shared the video Forks Over Knives to give her some hope and she took to it much to my chagrin. She's a hard core vegan now while I'm still a regular old omnivore. She looks great and I think being vegan gives her a feeling (right or wrong) that she has some control over her life and that this might prevent a recurrence of the cancer or something new popping up. However, she is also harder to live with because of the conversion. She's constantly indoctrinating herself with the vegan gospel ala Drs. Gerber, Bernard, and McDougal. She is very unforgiving and critical of fat people who eat poorly and doesn't trust anything in main stream medicine or media. I get where she is coming from and I can see the food and health connections and I am totally behind the crap big media feeds us about big pharma, big medicine, big agra, and big oil. But, I see vegans walking away from money on the table when it comes to common sense. Since I hit 55 I've
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I remember catching up with an old high school girl who was one of the group I started TM with. And I was telling her how I would suffer through occasional headaches for many years during my MIU days. Finally, I told her I capitulated and started taking aspirin, and it was like a miracle drug. It still is. I have a bottle on the kitchen counter, and one in my car. And sometimes I might take ibuprofen. But, those two would be the only two medications I take, on occasion. Oh, and I have a small half used, 1 oz. tin of AW! Colloidal Silver But, I haven't had to use that in about a year. (-: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anartaxius@... wrote : Originally salicyclic acid was used but it was so corrosive to the stomach that it was sometimes worse than the cure. Aspirin was first created in 1853, but its medical use came later on. http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/79/BayerHeroin.png http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/79/BayerHeroin.png http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/79/BayerHeroin.png http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/79/Bayer... http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/79/BayerHeroin.png View on upload.wikimedia.org http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/79/BayerHeroin.png Preview by Yahoo ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : My aspirin story from the TM days is pretty funny, in retrospect. I was attending an ATR course at Cobb Mountain and managed to get sick the last day there. I was so sick -- body aches, low fever, classic flu symptoms -- that I couldn't even drive back to Southern California, so I checked into a motel in the Bay Area and just laid low, hoping that the symptoms and the aches would pass so that I could drive the rest of the way back home. After a couple of days moaning and feeling awful, I was on a food run to the local 7-11 store and noticed that they had aspirin for sale. At that point I had bought into enough of the TM don't have anything to do with Western medicine stuff so that I hadn't taken an aspirin in years, but I was desperate so I bought a bottle and took a couple of them. Voila...like magic, the pains all went away and I felt good enough to drive home. I realized at that point that my previous three days of feeling like crap were all because I was too stupid to take an aspirin. Haven't made that mistake since. I was fortunate enough to bail from the TM trip long before the ayurveda crap arrived and people went completely bonkers over diet trips. Back in my day they served chicken at all the residence courses and ATR courses, and that suited me just fine. I spent a few years trying to be a vegetarian, but it never really fit my disposition very well, so I gave up on it and *all* diet trips and have just eaten what I felt like eating ever since. My last checkup seems to indicate that this eat what feels good philosophy has served me well and kept me pretty healthy, as opposed to many vegans and vegetarians I know who are sick all the time. I haven't even had a cold in a couple of years. From: ultrarishi no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, February 7, 2015 8:35 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Orthorexics of the world, unite! (and feel guilty about your lunch) Interesting article. My wife and I hang around a bunch of yoga folks who do not do TM. They are all all-over-the-map as it were when it comes to diet. Most of what I hear is bullshit and unscientific and most of them have problems with weight control. We got vegans, vegetarians, paleos and omnivores. My wife after successfully battling colon cancer a few years back decided to become vegan. I shared the video Forks Over Knives to give her some hope and she took to it much to my chagrin. She's a hard core vegan now while I'm still a regular old omnivore. She looks great and I think being vegan gives her a feeling (right or wrong) that she has some control over her life and that this might prevent a recurrence of the cancer or something new popping up. However, she is also harder to live with because of the conversion. She's constantly indoctrinating herself with the vegan gospel ala Drs. Gerber, Bernard, and McDougal. She is very unforgiving and critical of fat people who eat poorly and doesn't trust anything in main stream medicine or media. I get where she is coming from and I can see the food and health connections and I am totally behind the crap big media feeds us about big pharma, big medicine, big agra, and big oil. But, I see vegans walking away from money on the table when it comes to common sense. Since I hit 55 I've doing the daily low dose aspirin regimen. It's cheap and slightly tilt the odds in my favor against a whole host of maladies. My wife, however, will not par take. She wants to believe the vegan diet
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I would assume you know that salicyclic acid is in the bark of the willow tree. So essentially aspirin is based on a herbal cure. So is pseudoephedrine which is based on the wild growing plant ephedra. Some folks here may have it in their garden or backyard and not even know what it is. On 02/07/2015 02:00 PM, anartax...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: I think I was fortunate in that I never really gave into the various weird medical practices that spiritual folk seem to get engulfed in; if there wasn't a clear rational explanation for why something might work, and evidence that it would, I generally just was not interested in it. There was a certain perverse joy in watching meditators suffer so valiantly for avoiding medications that would certainly have made them feel much better, and taking ones that instead seemed to do nothing for them, and occasionally made them sicker. It was also kinda fun when people would see an ayurvedic doctor, get a diagnosis, and then send to India for medications which would then take six weeks to arrive. Or looking at their herbal medicine chests which were filled with sometimes fifty or a hundred bottles and jars of stuff. Aspirin [2-(acetoxy)benzoic acid or acetylsalicylic acid] is great stuff. Originally salicyclic acid was used but it was so corrosive to the stomach that it was sometimes worse than the cure. Aspirin was first created in 1853, but its medical use came later on. http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/79/BayerHeroin.png image http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/79/BayerHeroin.png http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/79/Bayer... http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/79/BayerHeroin.png View on upload.wikimedia.org http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/79/BayerHeroin.png Preview by Yahoo ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : */My aspirin story from the TM days is pretty funny, in retrospect. I was attending an ATR course at Cobb Mountain and managed to get sick the last day there. I was so sick -- body aches, low fever, classic flu symptoms -- that I couldn't even drive back to Southern California, so I checked into a motel in the Bay Area and just laid low, hoping that the symptoms and the aches would pass so that I could drive the rest of the way back home. After a couple of days moaning and feeling awful, I was on a food run to the local 7-11 store and noticed that they had aspirin for sale. At that point I had bought into enough of the TM don't have anything to do with Western medicine stuff so that I hadn't taken an aspirin in years, but I was desperate so I bought a bottle and took a couple of them. Voila...like magic, the pains all went away and I felt good enough to drive home. I realized at that point that my previous three days of feeling like crap were all because I was too stupid to take an aspirin. Haven't made that mistake since./* */I was fortunate enough to bail from the TM trip long before the ayurveda crap arrived and people went completely bonkers over diet trips. Back in my day they served chicken at all the residence courses and ATR courses, and that suited me just fine. I spent a few years trying to be a vegetarian, but it never really fit my disposition very well, so I gave up on it and *all* diet trips and have just eaten what I felt like eating ever since. My last checkup seems to indicate that this eat what feels good philosophy has served me well and kept me pretty healthy, as opposed to many vegans and vegetarians I know who are sick all the time. I haven't even had a cold in a couple of years. /* */ /* *From:* ultrarishi no_re...@yahoogroups.com *To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *Sent:* Saturday, February 7, 2015 8:35 AM *Subject:* [FairfieldLife] Re: Orthorexics of the world, unite! (and feel guilty about your lunch) Interesting article. My wife and I hang around a bunch of yoga folks who do not do TM. They are all all-over-the-map as it were when it comes to diet. Most of what I hear is bullshit and unscientific and most of them have problems with weight control. We got vegans, vegetarians, paleos and omnivores. My wife after successfully battling colon cancer a few years back decided to become vegan. I shared the video Forks Over Knives to give her some hope and she took to it much to my chagrin. She's a hard core vegan now while I'm still a regular old omnivore. She looks great and I think being vegan gives her a feeling (right or wrong) that she has some control over her life and that this might prevent a recurrence of the cancer or something new popping up. However, she is also harder to live with because of the conversion. She's constantly indoctrinating herself with the vegan gospel ala Drs. Gerber, Bernard, and McDougal. She is very
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Orthorexics of the world, unite! (and feel guilty about your lunch)
My cardiologist has me on 81mg of aspirin every day. Apparently that dose is more effective for the health of arteries than a full dose, and small enough not to cause problems with the stomach for most people. Aspirin is also given as an emergency drug for heart attacks as it reduces clotting. Another pain killer I like is ibuprofen which can be taken in higher doses. I had shingles once, and it did the trick at 800mg a day (doctor prescribed, but you can take 4 pills of the over the counter concentration of 200mg which is cheaper than a prescription dose). I have had more powerful narcotic pain killers like Demerol (meperidine) but tend to get sick on them very quickly, and you do not want to take them for any length of time because of the potential for addiction. Aspirin and ibuprofen do not mess with one's consciousness like narcotic drugs do. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : I remember catching up with an old high school girl who was one of the group I started TM with. And I was telling her how I would suffer through occasional headaches for many years during my MIU days. Finally, I told her I capitulated and started taking aspirin, and it was like a miracle drug. It still is. I have a bottle on the kitchen counter, and one in my car. And sometimes I might take ibuprofen. But, those two would be the only two medications I take, on occasion. Oh, and I have a small half used, 1 oz. tin of AW! Colloidal Silver But, I haven't had to use that in about a year. (-: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anartaxius@... wrote : Originally salicyclic acid was used but it was so corrosive to the stomach that it was sometimes worse than the cure. Aspirin was first created in 1853, but its medical use came later on. http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/79/BayerHeroin.png http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/79/BayerHeroin.png http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/79/BayerHeroin.png http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/79/Bayer... http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/79/BayerHeroin.png View on upload.wikimedia.org http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/79/BayerHeroin.png Preview by Yahoo ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : My aspirin story from the TM days is pretty funny, in retrospect. I was attending an ATR course at Cobb Mountain and managed to get sick the last day there. I was so sick -- body aches, low fever, classic flu symptoms -- that I couldn't even drive back to Southern California, so I checked into a motel in the Bay Area and just laid low, hoping that the symptoms and the aches would pass so that I could drive the rest of the way back home. After a couple of days moaning and feeling awful, I was on a food run to the local 7-11 store and noticed that they had aspirin for sale. At that point I had bought into enough of the TM don't have anything to do with Western medicine stuff so that I hadn't taken an aspirin in years, but I was desperate so I bought a bottle and took a couple of them. Voila...like magic, the pains all went away and I felt good enough to drive home. I realized at that point that my previous three days of feeling like crap were all because I was too stupid to take an aspirin. Haven't made that mistake since. I was fortunate enough to bail from the TM trip long before the ayurveda crap arrived and people went completely bonkers over diet trips. Back in my day they served chicken at all the residence courses and ATR courses, and that suited me just fine. I spent a few years trying to be a vegetarian, but it never really fit my disposition very well, so I gave up on it and *all* diet trips and have just eaten what I felt like eating ever since. My last checkup seems to indicate that this eat what feels good philosophy has served me well and kept me pretty healthy, as opposed to many vegans and vegetarians I know who are sick all the time. I haven't even had a cold in a couple of years. From: ultrarishi no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, February 7, 2015 8:35 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Orthorexics of the world, unite! (and feel guilty about your lunch) Interesting article. My wife and I hang around a bunch of yoga folks who do not do TM. They are all all-over-the-map as it were when it comes to diet. Most of what I hear is bullshit and unscientific and most of them have problems with weight control. We got vegans, vegetarians, paleos and omnivores. My wife after successfully battling colon cancer a few years back decided to become vegan. I shared the video Forks Over Knives to give her some hope and she took to it much to my chagrin. She's a hard core vegan now while I'm still a regular old omnivore. She looks great and I think being vegan gives her a feeling (right
[FairfieldLife] Re: Orthorexics of the world, unite! (and feel guilty about your lunch)
Dr. Pietro Rotondi (1892-1985), became a vegetarian (vegan with the exception of honey) in 1919 and was a practicing chiropractor and naturopath in Los Angeles, California, until his passing. http://drpietrorotondi.org/ Play on! Pietro Rotondi Rotundi - Play On http://youtu.be/GCOhMca3zVU http://youtu.be/GCOhMca3zVU Rotundi - Play On http://youtu.be/GCOhMca3zVU Rotundi - Play On - 1988 Paul Lacques - drums Peter Curry - bass guitar Peter Lacques - guitar Mike Rose - saxaphone Ray Symszyck - mandolin and trumpet... View on youtu.be http://youtu.be/GCOhMca3zVU Preview by Yahoo ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, richard@... wrote : Be very careful about posting this sort of information on FFL! Most of the informants here may not be ready to hear about the pundit boys taking aspirin for headaches. LoL! [FairfieldLife] I Was a WillyTex Virgin [Re: Drug-Dependent Pundits Riot] http://www.mail-archive.com/fairfieldlife%40yahoogroups.com/msg170833.html http://www.mail-archive.com/fairfieldlife%40yahoogroups.com/msg170833.html [FairfieldLife] I Was a WillyTex Virgin [Re:... http://www.mail-archive.com/fairfieldlife%40yahoogroups.com/msg170833.html One of the advantages of e-discussion over verbal discussion is that there is a record of participants' approaches to argument. Advertising View on www.mail-archive.com http://www.mail-archive.com/fairfieldlife%40yahoogroups.com/msg170833.html Preview by Yahoo ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : Speaking of aspirin. I could have sworn someone on FFL posted a link to Dr. Nancy Lonsdor recommending it to we aging meditators and siddhas along with using Turmeric. In other words, don't just rely on doing program to keep it together.
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Just goes to show that diet is highly individual. If you hear someone advocating a one diet fits all, run. On 02/07/2015 02:20 PM, ultrarishi wrote: Bhairitu Sorry about your brother. We were really lucky. It was caught early. The first doctor didn't catch it. The second doctor did and she almost passed on biopsying the tumor because it was so small. These 2 doctors both had colonoscopies done only a few weeks apart. Causation is a pretty tricky thing with colon cancer, but it seems to show up with job stress (environmental) from some of the reading we have done, and my wife has had severe job stress for the years prior to her diagnosis. When she got done with treatment she agreed that it was time to give up the career she had been passionate about (veterinarian technician). Doctors, especially vets, can be just freaking assholes. She now does pet walking and sitting to get her animal love on. When she starts to get worked up about stuff, I remind her that she's an addict to stress and needs to break the cycle and not introduce into her new life. In didn't know about Thom Hartman being a vegan. I've listen to him on and off for years especially when he was here in Portland, Oregon. I'm a big fan of Dr. Lustig, especially with how bad sugar is in our US culture. I enjoy my wife's vegan meals and I see some clever ways she has worked around stuff she misses from the world of milk, cheese, eggs, meat and oil. But, I'm not drinking the cool aid and converting any time soon. I eat less of the above not for philosophical reasons, but because it all puts weight on me. So, I'm big on whole grain carbs (I'm addicted to pasta, oatmeal and 10 grain cereal) along with veggies. Fruit in small quantities. Too much red meat brings on gout for me, but also not drinking enough water, especially going to bed at night well hydrated, does too.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Orthorexics of the world, unite! (and feel guilty about your lunch)
I can assure you that TM ayuveda is its own unique brand. from the very
beginning in 1986 at MIU, it was part traditional (and whacky stuff) and part
Marshy's bullshit and superstitions added in. When I was on staff they still
offered chicken or fish twice a week to mollify the students, but that went out
the window at Marshy's directive.
From: Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife]
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, February 6, 2015 12:02 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Orthorexics of the world, unite! (and feel
guilty about your lunch)
B12 deficiencies are often a sign that someone is on a vegetarian diet.
We are what our ancestors ate. Many of us come from European stock that
wouldn't have survived if they hadn't eaten meat. And so we wouldn't have been
here either. It's genetic. The Chinese had this figured out a long time ago
with yin and yang. Cold weather makes you yin and so you need to increase yang
and nothing does that better than meat. Hot weather makes you yang so that's
the time to forage in the garden.
BTW, ayurveda doesn't ban eating of meat. Outside of using some of the MAPI
products I never took any of the MAPI ayurveda courses. Most of mine were from
Dr. Lads school of ayurveda including a weekend session with Dr. Lad and
several weekend courses with Dr. Robert Svoboda. My ayurvedic practitioner in
the 1990s was an MD who took both the MA doctor's course and Dr Lad's. With
Dr. Lad you learn how kitchen spices you have on hand can help instead of
buying expensive prashes.
These are useful tools especially if you add metabolic typing into the mix.
Our bodies aren't static (ayurveda recognizes that as your vakriti) and so you
need to adjust to stay healthy.
One thing about the Seattle TM center was that many of the folks started
having problems with hypoglycemia from vegetarianism so a lot of them went back
to eating meat and feeling better. The center chairman went on to run a
metabolic typing institute.
On 02/06/2015 01:32 AM, salyavin808 wrote:
I know of five people in the TMO who practised ayurveda and who got really
ill even though they did everything by the book. They had their pulse read and
kept to the diet, took their walks in the moonlight and any other lifestyle
advice as prescribed by our wonderful and highly trained ayurvedic doctors.
Their problem was they developed a massive B12 deficiency that the awesome
technique of pulse reading is clearly incapable of detecting, and if it can't
help with deep problems like that I can't see the point of it. One of these
guys was the ultimate devotee of AV and would go on about it endlessly. The
funny thing is he still sees our AV doctor and doesn't hold any bad feelings
about the obvious inadequacy of this perfect system of natural healthcare.
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote :
I've been waiting for scientists to put a name to this *obvious* eating
disorder for years. I would go so far as to say that *every* diet trip I ever
heard sold to me by the TMO or any other supposedly spiritual or Woo Woo trip
falls into this category.
http://www.popsci.com/striving-perfect-diet-making-us-sick?dom=twsrc=SOC
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Orthorexics of the world, unite! (and feel guilty about your lunch)
Yeah, if he did that he's wind up like me.
From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, February 6, 2015 10:33 AM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Orthorexics of the world, unite! (and feel
guilty about your lunch)
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote :
So how did he react when he found out he had B12 deficiency?
I think he's just carrying on as usual. You have to remember that he doesn't
think he's adopted a belief system but that he has found The Truth, so it must
be something wrong with him and not a reflection of bad advice and inadequate
detection skills of the ayurvedic doctor. If he was to challenge MAV it would
start the descent into thinking about all aspects of TM doctrine and we know
where that ends ...
From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, February 6, 2015 4:32 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Orthorexics of the world, unite! (and feel guilty
about your lunch)
I know of five people in the TMO who practised ayurveda and who got really ill
even though they did everything by the book. They had their pulse read and kept
to the diet, took their walks in the moonlight and any other lifestyle advice
as prescribed by our wonderful and highly trained ayurvedic doctors.
Their problem was they developed a massive B12 deficiency that the awesome
technique of pulse reading is clearly incapable of detecting, and if it can't
help with deep problems like that I can't see the point of it. One of these
guys was the ultimate devotee of AV and would go on about it endlessly. The
funny thing is he still sees our AV doctor and doesn't hold any bad feelings
about the obvious inadequacy of this perfect system of natural healthcare.
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote :
I've been waiting for scientists to put a name to this *obvious* eating
disorder for years. I would go so far as to say that *every* diet trip I ever
heard sold to me by the TMO or any other supposedly spiritual or Woo Woo trip
falls into this category.
http://www.popsci.com/striving-perfect-diet-making-us-sick?dom=twsrc=SOC
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Orthorexics of the world, unite! (and feel guilty about your lunch)
Interesting article. My wife and I hang around a bunch of yoga folks who do not do TM. They are all all-over-the-map as it were when it comes to diet. Most of what I hear is bullshit and unscientific and most of them have problems with weight control. We got vegans, vegetarians, paleos and omnivores. My wife after successfully battling colon cancer a few years back decided to become vegan. I shared the video Forks Over Knives to give her some hope and she took to it much to my chagrin. She's a hard core vegan now while I'm still a regular old omnivore. She looks great and I think being vegan gives her a feeling (right or wrong) that she has some control over her life and that this might prevent a recurrence of the cancer or something new popping up. However, she is also harder to live with because of the conversion. She's constantly indoctrinating herself with the vegan gospel ala Drs. Gerber, Bernard, and McDougal. She is very unforgiving and critical of fat people who eat poorly and doesn't trust anything in main stream medicine or media. I get where she is coming from and I can see the food and health connections and I am totally behind the crap big media feeds us about big pharma, big medicine, big agra, and big oil. But, I see vegans walking away from money on the table when it comes to common sense. Since I hit 55 I've doing the daily low dose aspirin regimen. It's cheap and slightly tilt the odds in my favor against a whole host of maladies. My wife, however, will not par take. She wants to believe the vegan diet will be enough, even though a study published in Lancet showed her cancer showed a 25% less chance of recurrence if a low dose aspirin was taken daily. I don't believe there is another drug for love or money that will give you that much of a hedge.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Orthorexics of the world, unite! (and feel guilty about your lunch)
At the time that Maharishi AYurveda was first introduced, teh advice was to follow BOTH the ayurvedic AND the western nutritional guidelines. Has that really changed, or do people just want ayurveda (Maharishi Ayurveda) to be perfect and beyond the need for the application of Western common sense and simply ignore that simple caveat? L ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : I know of five people in the TMO who practised ayurveda and who got really ill even though they did everything by the book. They had their pulse read and kept to the diet, took their walks in the moonlight and any other lifestyle advice as prescribed by our wonderful and highly trained ayurvedic doctors. Their problem was they developed a massive B12 deficiency that the awesome technique of pulse reading is clearly incapable of detecting, and if it can't help with deep problems like that I can't see the point of it. One of these guys was the ultimate devotee of AV and would go on about it endlessly. The funny thing is he still sees our AV doctor and doesn't hold any bad feelings about the obvious inadequacy of this perfect system of natural healthcare. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : I've been waiting for scientists to put a name to this *obvious* eating disorder for years. I would go so far as to say that *every* diet trip I ever heard sold to me by the TMO or any other supposedly spiritual or Woo Woo trip falls into this category. http://www.popsci.com/striving-perfect-diet-making-us-sick?dom=twsrc=SOC http://www.popsci.com/striving-perfect-diet-making-us-sick?dom=twsrc=SOC
[FairfieldLife] Re: Orthorexics of the world, unite! (and feel guilty about your lunch)
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, LEnglish5@... wrote : At the time that Maharishi AYurveda was first introduced, teh advice was to follow BOTH the ayurvedic AND the western nutritional guidelines. Has that really changed, or do people just want ayurveda (Maharishi Ayurveda) to be perfect and beyond the need for the application of Western common sense and simply ignore that simple caveat? I think people believe what they are told about the ancient time-tested wisdom of the reesh. But the main point I'm making is that pulse diagnosis is supposed to be the gold standard for telling if there are imbalances in the body, if the pulse is good then health is good. The fact that it can't tell if you are dangerously deficient in essential vitamins makes it an obvious joke. L ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : I know of five people in the TMO who practised ayurveda and who got really ill even though they did everything by the book. They had their pulse read and kept to the diet, took their walks in the moonlight and any other lifestyle advice as prescribed by our wonderful and highly trained ayurvedic doctors. Their problem was they developed a massive B12 deficiency that the awesome technique of pulse reading is clearly incapable of detecting, and if it can't help with deep problems like that I can't see the point of it. One of these guys was the ultimate devotee of AV and would go on about it endlessly. The funny thing is he still sees our AV doctor and doesn't hold any bad feelings about the obvious inadequacy of this perfect system of natural healthcare. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : I've been waiting for scientists to put a name to this *obvious* eating disorder for years. I would go so far as to say that *every* diet trip I ever heard sold to me by the TMO or any other supposedly spiritual or Woo Woo trip falls into this category. http://www.popsci.com/striving-perfect-diet-making-us-sick?dom=twsrc=SOC http://www.popsci.com/striving-perfect-diet-making-us-sick?dom=twsrc=SOC
[FairfieldLife] Re: Orthorexics of the world, unite! (and feel guilty about your lunch)
Anything taken in, whether by mouth, nose or eye could be termed a diet. Most of the food people eat is detrimental to their health in some way. We try to eat natural foods as much as we can and avoid carcinogens. The most natural diet for humans is one composed of raw, home-grown organic vegetables along with filtered water. One of the things most people don't take into consideration is the food preparation stress factor. The more stress involved in preparing food the more detrimental it is to the mind and body in subtle ways. The most stressful foods are those the require killing as opposed to plucking. We are not opposed to cooked food but there is a large stress factor involved. For example, we try to slice all our veggies on the bias so as to minimize stress. It's a small thing but effective. Eating with the fingers with food served on a plant leaf while sitting on the ground is the most natural way to eat and the most ecological method. It is a good practice to avoid plastic and aluminum. What people need to understand is that food presented in a natural way is the most nourishing and serves our mental sensibilities is the most desirable and beneficial way. Unfortunately, most people are subject to social indoctrination and so based on their customs, they fail to be able to feed themselves in an intelligent manner. If people were in a natural state instead of conditioned most people would choose a colorful basket of fruit over burnt flesh and drink out of a stream instead of opening a can of soda. But, it is amazing how brain-washed most people are when it comes to consumption. People are addicted to comfort food and just don't have the will power to eat sensibly, thus we are killing ourselves slowly every day. Most people don't even realize how conditioned they really are when it comes to consuption. Go figure. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : I've been waiting for scientists to put a name to this *obvious* eating disorder for years. I would go so far as to say that *every* diet trip I ever heard sold to me by the TMO or any other supposedly spiritual or Woo Woo trip falls into this category. http://www.popsci.com/striving-perfect-diet-making-us-sick?dom=twsrc=SOC http://www.popsci.com/striving-perfect-diet-making-us-sick?dom=twsrc=SOC
[FairfieldLife] Re: Orthorexics of the world, unite! (and feel guilty about your lunch)
We know a guy that wound up in the hospital with a low sodium count. He had to get sodium by IV. He used to avoid table salt because he was an uninformed health-nut and enjoyed going on long walks in the summer. Apparently he sweated out all the sodium in his body without even realizing he was on the path to destruction. There is a reason athletes drink Gatorade - the right balance is very critical. I'm surprised some people are still alive after eating all that Fish 'n Chips! ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : I know of five people in the TMO who practised ayurveda and who got really ill even though they did everything by the book. They had their pulse read and kept to the diet, took their walks in the moonlight and any other lifestyle advice as prescribed by our wonderful and highly trained ayurvedic doctors. Their problem was they developed a massive B12 deficiency that the awesome technique of pulse reading is clearly incapable of detecting, and if it can't help with deep problems like that I can't see the point of it. One of these guys was the ultimate devotee of AV and would go on about it endlessly. The funny thing is he still sees our AV doctor and doesn't hold any bad feelings about the obvious inadequacy of this perfect system of natural healthcare. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : I've been waiting for scientists to put a name to this *obvious* eating disorder for years. I would go so far as to say that *every* diet trip I ever heard sold to me by the TMO or any other supposedly spiritual or Woo Woo trip falls into this category. http://www.popsci.com/striving-perfect-diet-making-us-sick?dom=twsrc=SOC http://www.popsci.com/striving-perfect-diet-making-us-sick?dom=twsrc=SOC
[FairfieldLife] Re: Orthorexics of the world, unite! (and feel guilty about your lunch)
I know of five people in the TMO who practised ayurveda and who got really ill even though they did everything by the book. They had their pulse read and kept to the diet, took their walks in the moonlight and any other lifestyle advice as prescribed by our wonderful and highly trained ayurvedic doctors. Their problem was they developed a massive B12 deficiency that the awesome technique of pulse reading is clearly incapable of detecting, and if it can't help with deep problems like that I can't see the point of it. One of these guys was the ultimate devotee of AV and would go on about it endlessly. The funny thing is he still sees our AV doctor and doesn't hold any bad feelings about the obvious inadequacy of this perfect system of natural healthcare. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : I've been waiting for scientists to put a name to this *obvious* eating disorder for years. I would go so far as to say that *every* diet trip I ever heard sold to me by the TMO or any other supposedly spiritual or Woo Woo trip falls into this category. http://www.popsci.com/striving-perfect-diet-making-us-sick?dom=twsrc=SOC http://www.popsci.com/striving-perfect-diet-making-us-sick?dom=twsrc=SOC
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Orthorexics of the world, unite! (and feel guilty about your lunch)
So how did he react when he found out he had B12 deficiency?
From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, February 6, 2015 4:32 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Orthorexics of the world, unite! (and feel guilty
about your lunch)
I know of five people in the TMO who practised ayurveda and who got really ill
even though they did everything by the book. They had their pulse read and kept
to the diet, took their walks in the moonlight and any other lifestyle advice
as prescribed by our wonderful and highly trained ayurvedic doctors.
Their problem was they developed a massive B12 deficiency that the awesome
technique of pulse reading is clearly incapable of detecting, and if it can't
help with deep problems like that I can't see the point of it. One of these
guys was the ultimate devotee of AV and would go on about it endlessly. The
funny thing is he still sees our AV doctor and doesn't hold any bad feelings
about the obvious inadequacy of this perfect system of natural healthcare.
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote :
I've been waiting for scientists to put a name to this *obvious* eating
disorder for years. I would go so far as to say that *every* diet trip I ever
heard sold to me by the TMO or any other supposedly spiritual or Woo Woo trip
falls into this category.
http://www.popsci.com/striving-perfect-diet-making-us-sick?dom=twsrc=SOC
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Orthorexics of the world, unite! (and feel guilty about your lunch)
Yabut, according to a certain informant on this here list thingy, you've simply been conditioned by observable objective reality into believing all that. If you were in a natural state, you'd be eating a fringe diet that wasn't or isn't the natural diet of any hominid species in the past 5 million years. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, noozg...@sbcglobal.net wrote : B12 deficiencies are often a sign that someone is on a vegetarian diet. We are what our ancestors ate. Many of us come from European stock that wouldn't have survived if they hadn't eaten meat. And so we wouldn't have been here either. It's genetic. The Chinese had this figured out a long time ago with yin and yang. Cold weather makes you yin and so you need to increase yang and nothing does that better than meat. Hot weather makes you yang so that's the time to forage in the garden. BTW, ayurveda doesn't ban eating of meat. Outside of using some of the MAPI products I never took any of the MAPI ayurveda courses. Most of mine were from Dr. Lads school of ayurveda including a weekend session with Dr. Lad and several weekend courses with Dr. Robert Svoboda. My ayurvedic practitioner in the 1990s was an MD who took both the MA doctor's course and Dr Lad's. With Dr. Lad you learn how kitchen spices you have on hand can help instead of buying expensive prashes. These are useful tools especially if you add metabolic typing into the mix. Our bodies aren't static (ayurveda recognizes that as your vakriti) and so you need to adjust to stay healthy. One thing about the Seattle TM center was that many of the folks started having problems with hypoglycemia from vegetarianism so a lot of them went back to eating meat and feeling better. The center chairman went on to run a metabolic typing institute. On 02/06/2015 01:32 AM, salyavin808 wrote: I know of five people in the TMO who practised ayurveda and who got really ill even though they did everything by the book. They had their pulse read and kept to the diet, took their walks in the moonlight and any other lifestyle advice as prescribed by our wonderful and highly trained ayurvedic doctors. Their problem was they developed a massive B12 deficiency that the awesome technique of pulse reading is clearly incapable of detecting, and if it can't help with deep problems like that I can't see the point of it. One of these guys was the ultimate devotee of AV and would go on about it endlessly. The funny thing is he still sees our AV doctor and doesn't hold any bad feelings about the obvious inadequacy of this perfect system of natural healthcare. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... mailto:turquoiseb@... wrote : I've been waiting for scientists to put a name to this *obvious* eating disorder for years. I would go so far as to say that *every* diet trip I ever heard sold to me by the TMO or any other supposedly spiritual or Woo Woo trip falls into this category. http://www.popsci.com/striving-perfect-diet-making-us-sick?dom=twsrc=SOC http://www.popsci.com/striving-perfect-diet-making-us-sick?dom=twsrc=SOC
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Orthorexics of the world, unite! (and feel guilty about your lunch)
I dunno where you were L when ayurveda was introduced, but I was on staff at
MIU working in kitchen services. Everything changed in the kitchen, what we
cooked and baked, what we served, how we cooked. We were supposed to stir
things only in a clockwise direction and crap like that.
Not one thing was ever said about following ANYTHING western regarding
nutrition or food guidelines of ANY kind. And we were the first to get the
first of the vaidyas coming to the US. Nope, it was ayurveda all the way.
From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, February 6, 2015 6:25 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Orthorexics of the world, unite! (and feel guilty
about your lunch)
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, LEnglish5@... wrote :
At the time that Maharishi AYurveda was first introduced, teh advice was to
follow BOTH the ayurvedic AND the western nutritional guidelines.
Has that really changed, or do people just want ayurveda (Maharishi Ayurveda)
to be perfect and beyond the need for the application of Western common sense
and simply ignore that simple caveat?
I think people believe what they are told about the ancient time-tested wisdom
of the reesh. But the main point I'm making is that pulse diagnosis is supposed
to be the gold standard for telling if there are imbalances in the body, if
the pulse is good then health is good. The fact that it can't tell if you are
dangerously deficient in essential vitamins makes it an obvious joke.
L
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote :
I know of five people in the TMO who practised ayurveda and who got really ill
even though they did everything by the book. They had their pulse read and kept
to the diet, took their walks in the moonlight and any other lifestyle advice
as prescribed by our wonderful and highly trained ayurvedic doctors.
Their problem was they developed a massive B12 deficiency that the awesome
technique of pulse reading is clearly incapable of detecting, and if it can't
help with deep problems like that I can't see the point of it. One of these
guys was the ultimate devotee of AV and would go on about it endlessly. The
funny thing is he still sees our AV doctor and doesn't hold any bad feelings
about the obvious inadequacy of this perfect system of natural healthcare.
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote :
I've been waiting for scientists to put a name to this *obvious* eating
disorder for years. I would go so far as to say that *every* diet trip I ever
heard sold to me by the TMO or any other supposedly spiritual or Woo Woo trip
falls into this category.
http://www.popsci.com/striving-perfect-diet-making-us-sick?dom=twsrc=SOC
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Orthorexics of the world, unite! (and feel guilty about your lunch)
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : So how did he react when he found out he had B12 deficiency? I think he's just carrying on as usual. You have to remember that he doesn't think he's adopted a belief system but that he has found The Truth, so it must be something wrong with him and not a reflection of bad advice and inadequate detection skills of the ayurvedic doctor. If he was to challenge MAV it would start the descent into thinking about all aspects of TM doctrine and we know where that ends ... From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, February 6, 2015 4:32 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Orthorexics of the world, unite! (and feel guilty about your lunch) I know of five people in the TMO who practised ayurveda and who got really ill even though they did everything by the book. They had their pulse read and kept to the diet, took their walks in the moonlight and any other lifestyle advice as prescribed by our wonderful and highly trained ayurvedic doctors. Their problem was they developed a massive B12 deficiency that the awesome technique of pulse reading is clearly incapable of detecting, and if it can't help with deep problems like that I can't see the point of it. One of these guys was the ultimate devotee of AV and would go on about it endlessly. The funny thing is he still sees our AV doctor and doesn't hold any bad feelings about the obvious inadequacy of this perfect system of natural healthcare. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : I've been waiting for scientists to put a name to this *obvious* eating disorder for years. I would go so far as to say that *every* diet trip I ever heard sold to me by the TMO or any other supposedly spiritual or Woo Woo trip falls into this category. http://www.popsci.com/striving-perfect-diet-making-us-sick?dom=twsrc=SOC http://www.popsci.com/striving-perfect-diet-making-us-sick?dom=twsrc=SOC
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Orthorexics of the world, unite! (and feel guilty about your lunch)
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : I dunno where you were L when ayurveda was introduced, but I was on staff at MIU working in kitchen services. Everything changed in the kitchen, what we cooked and baked, what we served, how we cooked. We were supposed to stir things only in a clockwise direction and crap like that. Not one thing was ever said about following ANYTHING western regarding nutrition or food guidelines of ANY kind. And we were the first to get the first of the vaidyas coming to the US. Nope, it was ayurveda all the way. And why would they recommend following western traditions anyway? That's like saying AV is inadequate... We used to hold beginners courses where the food we cooked was normal pizza's and stuff and the tapes weren't so crazy. Let 'em in gently was our motto! From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, February 6, 2015 6:25 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Orthorexics of the world, unite! (and feel guilty about your lunch) ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, LEnglish5@... wrote : At the time that Maharishi AYurveda was first introduced, teh advice was to follow BOTH the ayurvedic AND the western nutritional guidelines. Has that really changed, or do people just want ayurveda (Maharishi Ayurveda) to be perfect and beyond the need for the application of Western common sense and simply ignore that simple caveat? I think people believe what they are told about the ancient time-tested wisdom of the reesh. But the main point I'm making is that pulse diagnosis is supposed to be the gold standard for telling if there are imbalances in the body, if the pulse is good then health is good. The fact that it can't tell if you are dangerously deficient in essential vitamins makes it an obvious joke. L ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : I know of five people in the TMO who practised ayurveda and who got really ill even though they did everything by the book. They had their pulse read and kept to the diet, took their walks in the moonlight and any other lifestyle advice as prescribed by our wonderful and highly trained ayurvedic doctors. Their problem was they developed a massive B12 deficiency that the awesome technique of pulse reading is clearly incapable of detecting, and if it can't help with deep problems like that I can't see the point of it. One of these guys was the ultimate devotee of AV and would go on about it endlessly. The funny thing is he still sees our AV doctor and doesn't hold any bad feelings about the obvious inadequacy of this perfect system of natural healthcare. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : I've been waiting for scientists to put a name to this *obvious* eating disorder for years. I would go so far as to say that *every* diet trip I ever heard sold to me by the TMO or any other supposedly spiritual or Woo Woo trip falls into this category. http://www.popsci.com/striving-perfect-diet-making-us-sick?dom=twsrc=SOC http://www.popsci.com/striving-perfect-diet-making-us-sick?dom=twsrc=SOC
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Orthorexics of the world, unite! (and feel guilty about your lunch)
Afternoons at 3 PM I listen to Gill Gross who is a liberal talk host on SF's Talk 910. He's pretty witty and a bit narcissistic. He used to work for national news desks. Anyway a couple weeks back he talked about one of the pizza chains announcing gluten free pizzas but it would only be a gluten free crust. He bantered with the news desk host about how that boardroom decision went since he was thinking that a gluten free crust wouldn't make the pizzas gluten free. I emailed him and except for minor exceptions of some toppings about the only thing with gluten in a pizza would be the crust. Similarly he was gloating over the WSJ story about herbal supplements not having what's supposed to be in them. He interviewed the author of the story and might have been a little dismayed that she really didn't completely understand the situation. And they may have just played with fire because Walmart, Target and Walgreens are taking exception. After all most herbal supplements contains herbs you can grow in your garden. Putting them in a capsule or pill is mainly for convenience. Here's the thing researchers may not know: herbs can vary in potency. In fact some natural supplement users complain about synthetic B vitamins in natural supplements. Here's the thing: the principal natural B supplement source would be yeast which suppliers learned long ago can vary widely in potency so that is why synthetic B is used and it works just as well with no side effects (unlike many pharmaceuticals). I've mentioned before that talking with folks in the supplement industry they actually *want* regulation just not the pull the ladder up kind Big Pharma wants. Big Pharma wants that market to themselves so they can sell you their inferior supplements at several times the price the natural suppliers do now. On 02/06/2015 09:16 AM, j_alexander_stan...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: Yabut, according to a certain informant on this here list thingy, you've simply been conditioned by observable objective reality into believing all that. If you were in a natural state, you'd be eating a fringe diet that wasn't or isn't the natural diet of any hominid species in the past 5 million years. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, noozg...@sbcglobal.net wrote : B12 deficiencies are often a sign that someone is on a vegetarian diet. We are what our ancestors ate. Many of us come from European stock that wouldn't have survived if they hadn't eaten meat. And so we wouldn't have been here either. It's genetic. The Chinese had this figured out a long time ago with yin and yang. Cold weather makes you yin and so you need to increase yang and nothing does that better than meat. Hot weather makes you yang so that's the time to forage in the garden. BTW, ayurveda doesn't ban eating of meat. Outside of using some of the MAPI products I never took any of the MAPI ayurveda courses. Most of mine were from Dr. Lads school of ayurveda including a weekend session with Dr. Lad and several weekend courses with Dr. Robert Svoboda. My ayurvedic practitioner in the 1990s was an MD who took both the MA doctor's course and Dr Lad's. With Dr. Lad you learn how kitchen spices you have on hand can help instead of buying expensive prashes. These are useful tools especially if you add metabolic typing into the mix. Our bodies aren't static (ayurveda recognizes that as your vakriti) and so you need to adjust to stay healthy. One thing about the Seattle TM center was that many of the folks started having problems with hypoglycemia from vegetarianism so a lot of them went back to eating meat and feeling better. The center chairman went on to run a metabolic typing institute. On 02/06/2015 01:32 AM, salyavin808 wrote: I know of five people in the TMO who practised ayurveda and who got really ill even though they did everything by the book. They had their pulse read and kept to the diet, took their walks in the moonlight and any other lifestyle advice as prescribed by our wonderful and highly trained ayurvedic doctors. Their problem was they developed a massive B12 deficiency that the awesome technique of pulse reading is clearly incapable of detecting, and if it can't help with deep problems like that I can't see the point of it. One of these guys was the ultimate devotee of AV and would go on about it endlessly. The funny thing is he still sees our AV doctor and doesn't hold any bad feelings about the obvious inadequacy of this perfect system of natural healthcare. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... mailto:turquoiseb@... wrote : */I've been waiting for scientists to put a name to this *obvious* eating disorder for years. I would go so far as to say that *every* diet trip I ever heard sold to me by the TMO or any other supposedly spiritual or Woo Woo trip falls into this category. /* */ /*
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Orthorexics of the world, unite! (and feel guilty about your lunch)
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, noozguru@... wrote : B12 deficiencies are often a sign that someone is on a vegetarian diet. Yup, all 5 of them were vegetarians. I've no why the pulse thingy doesn't show it up. The main claim - and the whole point of it - is that it lets you know when you are becoming ill before it manifests grossly. Would like to hear the excuse for that one! We are what our ancestors ate. Many of us come from European stock that wouldn't have survived if they hadn't eaten meat. And so we wouldn't have been here either. It's genetic. The Chinese had this figured out a long time ago with yin and yang. Cold weather makes you yin and so you need to increase yang and nothing does that better than meat. Hot weather makes you yang so that's the time to forage in the garden. Good common sense. I remember being told by a vaidya that drinking milk is bad for you. I pointed out that only Asians and Africans have this problem, Europeans have a gene that enables us to digest it.He wasn't interested, apparently the veda is the only truth! BTW, ayurveda doesn't ban eating of meat. It's all we ever heard in the TMO, meat eating is apparently bad for you because it takes so long to digest and creates lots of toxic byproducts. Vegetarianism is part of getting enlightened they say. As long as you don't die first obviously Outside of using some of the MAPI products I never took any of the MAPI ayurveda courses. Most of mine were from Dr. Lads school of ayurveda including a weekend session with Dr. Lad and several weekend courses with Dr. Robert Svoboda. My ayurvedic practitioner in the 1990s was an MD who took both the MA doctor's course and Dr Lad's. With Dr. Lad you learn how kitchen spices you have on hand can help instead of buying expensive prashes. These are useful tools especially if you add metabolic typing into the mix. Our bodies aren't static (ayurveda recognizes that as your vakriti) and so you need to adjust to stay healthy. One thing about the Seattle TM center was that many of the folks started having problems with hypoglycemia from vegetarianism so a lot of them went back to eating meat and feeling better. The center chairman went on to run a metabolic typing institute. On 02/06/2015 01:32 AM, salyavin808 wrote: I know of five people in the TMO who practised ayurveda and who got really ill even though they did everything by the book. They had their pulse read and kept to the diet, took their walks in the moonlight and any other lifestyle advice as prescribed by our wonderful and highly trained ayurvedic doctors. Their problem was they developed a massive B12 deficiency that the awesome technique of pulse reading is clearly incapable of detecting, and if it can't help with deep problems like that I can't see the point of it. One of these guys was the ultimate devotee of AV and would go on about it endlessly. The funny thing is he still sees our AV doctor and doesn't hold any bad feelings about the obvious inadequacy of this perfect system of natural healthcare. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... mailto:turquoiseb@... wrote : I've been waiting for scientists to put a name to this *obvious* eating disorder for years. I would go so far as to say that *every* diet trip I ever heard sold to me by the TMO or any other supposedly spiritual or Woo Woo trip falls into this category. http://www.popsci.com/striving-perfect-diet-making-us-sick?dom=twsrc=SOC http://www.popsci.com/striving-perfect-diet-making-us-sick?dom=twsrc=SOC
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Orthorexics of the world, unite! (and feel guilty about your lunch)
For anemia the test an ND gave me was to press down on a fingernail and see how fast the blood fills back in. If it's slow you're probably anemic. It was MA that was the last straw for me. After TTC where we had rumors that Indian ayurvedic doctors might show but didn't, I bought a copy of Chandaskar Thakkur's book on ayurveda. Then later I bought Dr Lad's. By the time the TMO launch MA in 1985 with tour and a $185 intro lecture I knew enough that I could have given the lecture myself. On TTC we had fish or chicken twice a week and often tuna was available for sandwiches on Silent Thursdays. And boiled eggs were available every morning but I went for the freshly baked croissants and the real Laughing Cow cream cheese. What ever happened to MMY's eat what mother puts before you? Except that a some people apparently reviled at the idea since their moms were horrible cooks. :-D On 02/06/2015 09:55 AM, salyavin808 wrote: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, noozguru@... wrote : B12 deficiencies are often a sign that someone is on a vegetarian diet. Yup, all 5 of them were vegetarians. I've no why the pulse thingy doesn't show it up. The main claim - and the whole point of it - is that it lets you know when you are becoming ill before it manifests grossly. Would like to hear the excuse for that one! We are what our ancestors ate. Many of us come from European stock that wouldn't have survived if they hadn't eaten meat. And so we wouldn't have been here either. It's genetic. The Chinese had this figured out a long time ago with yin and yang. Cold weather makes you yin and so you need to increase yang and nothing does that better than meat. Hot weather makes you yang so that's the time to forage in the garden. Good common sense. I remember being told by a vaidya that drinking milk is bad for you. I pointed out that only Asians and Africans have this problem, Europeans have a gene that enables us to digest it.He wasn't interested, apparently the veda is the only truth! BTW, ayurveda doesn't ban eating of meat. It's all we ever heard in the TMO, meat eating is apparently bad for you because it takes so long to digest and creates lots of toxic byproducts. Vegetarianism is part of getting enlightened they say. As long as you don't die first obviously Outside of using some of the MAPI products I never took any of the MAPI ayurveda courses. Most of mine were from Dr. Lads school of ayurveda including a weekend session with Dr. Lad and several weekend courses with Dr. Robert Svoboda. My ayurvedic practitioner in the 1990s was an MD who took both the MA doctor's course and Dr Lad's. With Dr. Lad you learn how kitchen spices you have on hand can help instead of buying expensive prashes. These are useful tools especially if you add metabolic typing into the mix. Our bodies aren't static (ayurveda recognizes that as your vakriti) and so you need to adjust to stay healthy. One thing about the Seattle TM center was that many of the folks started having problems with hypoglycemia from vegetarianism so a lot of them went back to eating meat and feeling better. The center chairman went on to run a metabolic typing institute. On 02/06/2015 01:32 AM, salyavin808 wrote: I know of five people in the TMO who practised ayurveda and who got really ill even though they did everything by the book. They had their pulse read and kept to the diet, took their walks in the moonlight and any other lifestyle advice as prescribed by our wonderful and highly trained ayurvedic doctors. Their problem was they developed a massive B12 deficiency that the awesome technique of pulse reading is clearly incapable of detecting, and if it can't help with deep problems like that I can't see the point of it. One of these guys was the ultimate devotee of AV and would go on about it endlessly. The funny thing is he still sees our AV doctor and doesn't hold any bad feelings about the obvious inadequacy of this perfect system of natural healthcare. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... mailto:turquoiseb@... wrote : */I've been waiting for scientists to put a name to this *obvious* eating disorder for years. I would go so far as to say that *every* diet trip I ever heard sold to me by the TMO or any other supposedly spiritual or Woo Woo trip falls into this category. /* */ /* */http://www.popsci.com/striving-perfect-diet-making-us-sick?dom=twsrc=SOC/*
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Orthorexics of the world, unite! (and feel guilty about your lunch)
B12 deficiencies are often a sign that someone is on a vegetarian diet. We are what our ancestors ate. Many of us come from European stock that wouldn't have survived if they hadn't eaten meat. And so we wouldn't have been here either. It's genetic. The Chinese had this figured out a long time ago with yin and yang. Cold weather makes you yin and so you need to increase yang and nothing does that better than meat. Hot weather makes you yang so that's the time to forage in the garden. BTW, ayurveda doesn't ban eating of meat. Outside of using some of the MAPI products I never took any of the MAPI ayurveda courses. Most of mine were from Dr. Lads school of ayurveda including a weekend session with Dr. Lad and several weekend courses with Dr. Robert Svoboda. My ayurvedic practitioner in the 1990s was an MD who took both the MA doctor's course and Dr Lad's. With Dr. Lad you learn how kitchen spices you have on hand can help instead of buying expensive prashes. These are useful tools especially if you add metabolic typing into the mix. Our bodies aren't static (ayurveda recognizes that as your vakriti) and so you need to adjust to stay healthy. One thing about the Seattle TM center was that many of the folks started having problems with hypoglycemia from vegetarianism so a lot of them went back to eating meat and feeling better. The center chairman went on to run a metabolic typing institute. On 02/06/2015 01:32 AM, salyavin808 wrote: I know of five people in the TMO who practised ayurveda and who got really ill even though they did everything by the book. They had their pulse read and kept to the diet, took their walks in the moonlight and any other lifestyle advice as prescribed by our wonderful and highly trained ayurvedic doctors. Their problem was they developed a massive B12 deficiency that the awesome technique of pulse reading is clearly incapable of detecting, and if it can't help with deep problems like that I can't see the point of it. One of these guys was the ultimate devotee of AV and would go on about it endlessly. The funny thing is he still sees our AV doctor and doesn't hold any bad feelings about the obvious inadequacy of this perfect system of natural healthcare. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : */I've been waiting for scientists to put a name to this *obvious* eating disorder for years. I would go so far as to say that *every* diet trip I ever heard sold to me by the TMO or any other supposedly spiritual or Woo Woo trip falls into this category. /* */ /* */http://www.popsci.com/striving-perfect-diet-making-us-sick?dom=twsrc=SOC/*
