[FairfieldLife] Re: Rama Lama Ding Ding Dong
Or maybe he's terrified of making his own decisions and thus taking responsibility for his own life? Certainly way easier to think my Master told me to do this so it must be right than it is to critically examine one's own behavior and beliefs while admitting the possibility that many things you have held as absolute truth for decades might be not only absurd, but possibly even intentionally concocted by someone you implicitly trusted to deceive and fleece you. The latter is a very serious oh shit experience, as I have found. Maybe Tony just hasn't gotten to the oh shit yet. Or maybe he has so much invested in ignoring the shit that he'll never come face to face with it in this lifetime. Or maybe he really is King of the Universe and an incarnation of the Divine. I know which ones I think are more likely... --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Cliff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Not just you. I have exactly the same reaction. Any westerner who puts on that crown has just removed themselves from any possibility of being taken seriously on this planet. That's it exactly. And anyone who says Yes to the idea, out of a mistaken sense of loyalty to the teacher who proposes it, is IMO doing a disservice both to the teacher and to that which he teaches. So the teacher MUST be wrong when he asks you to do an apparently SILLY thing? Not necessarily, but if *you* know it to be silly and feel in your heart that it's the wrong thing to do, and do it anyway out of a sense of loyalty to the teacher, then yes, it's wrong. That's what leads me to write off Tony Nader. He always seemed to have too much on the ball to really believe that this silly world government and king stuff was good for the movement in the long run, and he went along with it anyway. Perhaps he sees it as a test, or as silliness that must be endured, or simply asthe last whim of his master, who should be honored? Or perhaps he sees something more (or less) than the rest of us? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Rama Lama Ding Ding Dong
I bet in his quiet moments Tony looks in the mirror, sees himself with his crown and robe and says,What the f**k! --- Cliff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Or maybe he's terrified of making his own decisions and thus taking responsibility for his own life? Certainly way easier to think my Master told me to do this so it must be right than it is to critically examine one's own behavior and beliefs while admitting the possibility that many things you have held as absolute truth for decades might be not only absurd, but possibly even intentionally concocted by someone you implicitly trusted to deceive and fleece you. The latter is a very serious oh shit experience, as I have found. Maybe Tony just hasn't gotten to the oh shit yet. Or maybe he has so much invested in ignoring the shit that he'll never come face to face with it in this lifetime. Or maybe he really is King of the Universe and an incarnation of the Divine. I know which ones I think are more likely... --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Cliff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Not just you. I have exactly the same reaction. Any westerner who puts on that crown has just removed themselves from any possibility of being taken seriously on this planet. That's it exactly. And anyone who says Yes to the idea, out of a mistaken sense of loyalty to the teacher who proposes it, is IMO doing a disservice both to the teacher and to that which he teaches. So the teacher MUST be wrong when he asks you to do an apparently SILLY thing? Not necessarily, but if *you* know it to be silly and feel in your heart that it's the wrong thing to do, and do it anyway out of a sense of loyalty to the teacher, then yes, it's wrong. That's what leads me to write off Tony Nader. He always seemed to have too much on the ball to really believe that this silly world government and king stuff was good for the movement in the long run, and he went along with it anyway. Perhaps he sees it as a test, or as silliness that must be endured, or simply asthe last whim of his master, who should be honored? Or perhaps he sees something more (or less) than the rest of us? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links [EMAIL PROTECTED] Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Rama Lama Ding Ding Dong
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I bet in his quiet moments Tony looks in the mirror, sees himself with his crown and robe and says,What the f**k! It would be really, really, really, really scary if he didn't. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Rama Lama Ding Ding Dong
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I bet in his quiet moments Tony looks in the mirror, sees himself with his crown and robe and says,What the f**k! Agreed, he probably doubles over with laughter at times at the relative absurdity of it all, though he does seem to be enjoying his current ride in the amusement park! Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Rama Lama Ding Ding Dong
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I bet in his quiet moments Tony looks in the mirror, sees himself with his crown and robe and says,What the f**k! Agreed, he probably doubles over with laughter at times at the relative absurdity of it all, though he does seem to be enjoying his current ride in the amusement park! I think it's good every so often to remember who *paid* for his E-ticket ride. Where do you think the money came from for his robes and crown, much less his weight in gold? From all the TBs who donated to projects along the way that they'd convinced themselves were really going to happen. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Rama Lama Ding Ding Dong
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I bet in his quiet moments Tony looks in the mirror, sees himself with his crown and robe and says,What the f**k! Agreed, he probably doubles over with laughter at times at the relative absurdity of it all, though he does seem to be enjoying his current ride in the amusement park! I think it's good every so often to remember who *paid* for his E-ticket ride. Where do you think the money came from for his robes and crown, much less his weight in gold? From all the TBs who donated to projects along the way that they'd convinced themselves were really going to happen. For the record, the money didn't go to him personally but to fund his research; essentially, it was the TMO giving money to the TMO. And I rather doubt his crown and robe were a major expenditure. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Rama Lama Ding Ding Dong
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I bet in his quiet moments Tony looks in the mirror, sees himself with his crown and robe and says,What the f**k! Agreed, he probably doubles over with laughter at times at the relative absurdity of it all, though he does seem to be enjoying his current ride in the amusement park! I think it's good every so often to remember who *paid* for his E-ticket ride. Where do you think the money came from for his robes and crown, much less his weight in gold? From all the TBs who donated to projects along the way that they'd convinced themselves were really going to happen. Good point. From their perspective, I hope they get their money's worth, or learn a valuable lesson from this. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Rama Lama Ding Ding Dong
on 8/26/05 10:39 AM, TurquoiseB at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I bet in his quiet moments Tony looks in the mirror, sees himself with his crown and robe and says,What the f**k! Agreed, he probably doubles over with laughter at times at the relative absurdity of it all, though he does seem to be enjoying his current ride in the amusement park! I think it's good every so often to remember who *paid* for his E-ticket ride. Where do you think the money came from for his robes and crown, much less his weight in gold? From all the TBs who donated to projects along the way that they'd convinced themselves were really going to happen. I think Warren Berman donated most of the money for the weight in gold. I wonder if Tony got to keep the gold or graciously handed it over to MMY. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Rama Lama Ding Ding Dong
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I bet in his quiet moments Tony looks in the mirror, sees himself with his crown and robe and says,What the f**k! Well, just before he says What the f**k, he says this is what I get after 12 years of post-secondary education and medical school? --- Cliff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Or maybe he's terrified of making his own decisions and thus taking responsibility for his own life? Certainly way easier to think my Master told me to do this so it must be right than it is to critically examine one's own behavior and beliefs while admitting the possibility that many things you have held as absolute truth for decades might be not only absurd, but possibly even intentionally concocted by someone you implicitly trusted to deceive and fleece you. The latter is a very serious oh shit experience, as I have found. Maybe Tony just hasn't gotten to the oh shit yet. Or maybe he has so much invested in ignoring the shit that he'll never come face to face with it in this lifetime. Or maybe he really is King of the Universe and an incarnation of the Divine. I know which ones I think are more likely... --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Cliff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Not just you. I have exactly the same reaction. Any westerner who puts on that crown has just removed themselves from any possibility of being taken seriously on this planet. That's it exactly. And anyone who says Yes to the idea, out of a mistaken sense of loyalty to the teacher who proposes it, is IMO doing a disservice both to the teacher and to that which he teaches. So the teacher MUST be wrong when he asks you to do an apparently SILLY thing? Not necessarily, but if *you* know it to be silly and feel in your heart that it's the wrong thing to do, and do it anyway out of a sense of loyalty to the teacher, then yes, it's wrong. That's what leads me to write off Tony Nader. He always seemed to have too much on the ball to really believe that this silly world government and king stuff was good for the movement in the long run, and he went along with it anyway. Perhaps he sees it as a test, or as silliness that must be endured, or simply asthe last whim of his master, who should be honored? Or perhaps he sees something more (or less) than the rest of us? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM --- -~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links [EMAIL PROTECTED] Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Rama Lama Ding Ding Dong
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I bet in his quiet moments Tony looks in the mirror, sees himself with his crown and robe and says,What the f**k! Agreed, he probably doubles over with laughter at times at the relative absurdity of it all, though he does seem to be enjoying his current ride in the amusement park! I think it's good every so often to remember who *paid* for his E-ticket ride. Where do you think the money came from for his robes and crown, much less his weight in gold? From all the TBs who donated to projects along the way that they'd convinced themselves were really going to happen. I would just LOVE to know whether: 1) da King actually GOT the gold; 2) if he did whether it was implicitly understood that he was to just flip the check over and endorse it as a donation back to the Movement; or 3) if he did in fact get the money whether he turned around and invested it in stock or mutual funds of companies from the evil U.S., the source of everything bad in the world. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Rama Lama Ding Ding Dong
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I bet in his quiet moments Tony looks in the mirror, sees himself with his crown and robe and says,What the f**k! Agreed, he probably doubles over with laughter at times at the relative absurdity of it all, though he does seem to be enjoying his current ride in the amusement park! I think it's good every so often to remember who *paid* for his E-ticket ride. Where do you think the money came from for his robes and crown, much less his weight in gold? From all the TBs who donated to projects along the way that they'd convinced themselves were really going to happen. For the record, the money didn't go to him personally but to fund his research; essentially, it was the TMO giving money to the TMO. So he did NOT get his weight in gold. In other words, the whole scale stunt was just a way to reapportion funds WITHIN the TMO from one department to another... If this is what you are saying then the whole publicity stunt was, at worst, dishonest in its portrayal, at best, fraudulent. And I rather doubt his crown and robe were a major expenditure. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Rama Lama Ding Ding Dong
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 8/26/05 10:39 AM, TurquoiseB at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I bet in his quiet moments Tony looks in the mirror, sees himself with his crown and robe and says,What the f**k! Agreed, he probably doubles over with laughter at times at the relative absurdity of it all, though he does seem to be enjoying his current ride in the amusement park! I think it's good every so often to remember who *paid* for his E-ticket ride. Where do you think the money came from for his robes and crown, much less his weight in gold? From all the TBs who donated to projects along the way that they'd convinced themselves were really going to happen. I think Warren Berman donated most of the money for the weight in gold. I wonder if Tony got to keep the gold or graciously handed it over to MMY. And it brings up alot of legal issues as well. I don't know what the laws are in Holland where I presume the gift of the gold was made but I assume that, like in the U.S., there ARE laws that govern both gifting and donations. Assuming da King is about 150 lbs. that's 2,400 ounces of gold (16 times 150). At, say, $350 an ounce (I am too lazy to look up both the date of the gift and the price per ounce of gold on that date), that means the fair-market-price of the gift was $840,000. If the $840,000 was given directly by the donor Mr. Berman -- and assuming Mr. Berman is a U.S. citizen at the time residing in the U.S. -- to Tony Nader then it cannot under U.S. law be a tax- deductible donation to a registered charity but a gift which is subject to a gift tax of anywhere from 37% to 50-55% (which Mr. Berman must pay) over $11,000 in a given year. If the $840,000 was given as a legitimate donation to a registered charity, and the charity, in turn, then gave that $840,000 to Tony Nader then: 1) I would assume a registered charity in Holland would be governed by rules which require strict spending of money for purposes directly related to the raison-d'etre of that charity and gifts to individuals would almost most certainly NOT fall under that category...and it would then jeopardize the charity nature and tax- deductible status of the organisation. 2) If Tony Nader then turned around and donated back to the TMO the $840,000, then that creates problems tax-wise for him (from a U.S. perspective...and I assume that even if he is a tax-payer in another country that that other country has similar and almost certainly stricter laws) because an individual is restricted as to how much, as a percentage of total income (or is it adjusted gross income?) that an individual can donate and get a tax deduction in any given year. I would be VERY curious to know what sort of shenanigans went on with the weight in gold episode 'cause I would have to be VERY convinced that everything was done on the up and up! Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Rama Lama Ding Ding Dong
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip I think it's good every so often to remember who *paid* for his E-ticket ride. Where do you think the money came from for his robes and crown, much less his weight in gold? From all the TBs who donated to projects along the way that they'd convinced themselves were really going to happen. For the record, the money didn't go to him personally but to fund his research; essentially, it was the TMO giving money to the TMO. So he did NOT get his weight in gold. In other words, the whole scale stunt was just a way to reapportion funds WITHIN the TMO from one department to another... Funny, I don't recall saying anything about reapportioning funds from one department to another. You made that up. If this is what you are saying then the whole publicity stunt was, at worst, dishonest in its portrayal, at best, fraudulent. Oh, please. The TMO would have funded his research in any case. They just decided to hand out the money in a way that would give them some publicity. Nothing the least bit fraudulent about it. The press release said what the money was to be used for. And publicity stunts are by definition dishonest. This was a good one, imaginative and quite successful. No kidding, folks, the criticism here is verging on the pathological. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Rama Lama Ding Ding Dong
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip I would be VERY curious to know what sort of shenanigans went on with the weight in gold episode 'cause I would have to be VERY convinced that everything was done on the up and up! http://www.natural-law-party.org.uk/pressreleases/UK-19980206-Tony- Nader-receives-his-weight-in-gold.htm or http://tinyurl.com/8rjlv Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Rama Lama Ding Ding Dong
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 8/26/05 10:39 AM, TurquoiseB at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip I think Warren Berman donated most of the money for the weight in gold. I wonder if Tony got to keep the gold or graciously handed it over to MMY. The money was a grant was funded by the Global Development Corporation. It was put in a bank to fund Nader's scientific research. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Rama Lama Ding Ding Dong
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip I think it's good every so often to remember who *paid* for his E-ticket ride. Where do you think the money came from for his robes and crown, much less his weight in gold? From all the TBs who donated to projects along the way that they'd convinced themselves were really going to happen. For the record, the money didn't go to him personally but to fund his research; essentially, it was the TMO giving money to the TMO. So he did NOT get his weight in gold. In other words, the whole scale stunt was just a way to reapportion funds WITHIN the TMO from one department to another... Funny, I don't recall saying anything about reapportioning funds from one department to another. You made that up. If this is what you are saying then the whole publicity stunt was, at worst, dishonest in its portrayal, at best, fraudulent. Oh, please. The TMO would have funded his research in any case. They just decided to hand out the money in a way that would give them some publicity. Nothing the least bit fraudulent about it. The press release said what the money was to be used for. And publicity stunts are by definition dishonest. This was a good one, imaginative and quite successful. Let me understand this, Judy. You most certainly seem to be saying that the giving Tony Nader his weight in gold was: 1) a good publicity stunt; and 2) imaginative; and 3) quite successful? I will cede to you that, yes, #2 is correct that it WAS imaginative. But I suggest to you and the others readers on this forum that if you do actually ascribe to both #1 and #3 that you are either: 1) deluded; 2) quite possibly brainwashed by a cult; or 3) in denial. Are you sure you don't want to retract your statement above? No kidding, folks, the criticism here is verging on the pathological. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Rama Lama Ding Ding Dong
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 8/26/05 10:39 AM, TurquoiseB at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip I think Warren Berman donated most of the money for the weight in gold. I wonder if Tony got to keep the gold or graciously handed it over to MMY. The money was a grant was funded by the Global Development Corporation. It was put in a bank to fund Nader's scientific research. The press release of Feb. 6, 1998 quite clearly says that Tony Nader ... will receive his weight in gold. It then goes on several times to refer to it as an award, NOT a grant. Are you trying to tell us that the following paragraph somehow suggests the money was a grant? The award is being offered with the support of the Maharishi Global Development Fund in fact, it is the first performance of this $400 million Fund recently set up in the U.S.A. to support the development and reconstruction of the world according to Natural Law. ...'cause if you are, the above paragraph, at best, is a confusing ambiguous statment that does NOT make clear whether it is the weight in gold given to Nader which is to support the development and reconsruction of the world according to Natural Law or whether it is the $400 million fund...and, at worst, contradicts the wording of award and will receive his weight in gold. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Rama Lama Ding Ding Dong
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip I think it's good every so often to remember who *paid* for his E-ticket ride. Where do you think the money came from for his robes and crown, much less his weight in gold? From all the TBs who donated to projects along the way that they'd convinced themselves were really going to happen. For the record, the money didn't go to him personally but to fund his research; essentially, it was the TMO giving money to the TMO. So he did NOT get his weight in gold. In other words, the whole scale stunt was just a way to reapportion funds WITHIN the TMO from one department to another... Funny, I don't recall saying anything about reapportioning funds from one department to another. You made that up. If this is what you are saying then the whole publicity stunt was, at worst, dishonest in its portrayal, at best, fraudulent. Oh, please. The TMO would have funded his research in any case. They just decided to hand out the money in a way that would give them some publicity. Nothing the least bit fraudulent about it. The press release said what the money was to be used for. And publicity stunts are by definition dishonest. This was a good one, imaginative and quite successful. Let me understand this, Judy. You most certainly seem to be saying that the giving Tony Nader his weight in gold was: 1) a good publicity stunt; and 2) imaginative; and 3) quite successful? I believe if you look above, you won't need to muse about what I seem to be saying, you can see what I actually said. But in case that's too much trouble, I'll quote it here: This was a good one, imaginative and quite successful. I will cede to you that, yes, #2 is correct that it WAS imaginative. But I suggest to you and the others readers on this forum that if you do actually ascribe to both #1 and #3 that you are either: 1) deluded; 2) quite possibly brainwashed by a cult; or 3) in denial. And I suggest to you that you frequently seem to have difficulty interpreting plain English when it's saying something you don't want to accept. A good publicity stunt is a successful one. A successful publicity stunt is one that gets-- wait for it!--a lot of publicity. This stunt got a lot of publicity. You concede it was imaginative. Therefore, it was a good publicity stunt, imaginative and quite successful. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Rama Lama Ding Ding Dong
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip I think it's good every so often to remember who *paid* for his E-ticket ride. Where do you think the money came from for his robes and crown, much less his weight in gold? From all the TBs who donated to projects along the way that they'd convinced themselves were really going to happen. For the record, the money didn't go to him personally but to fund his research; essentially, it was the TMO giving money to the TMO. So he did NOT get his weight in gold. In other words, the whole scale stunt was just a way to reapportion funds WITHIN the TMO from one department to another... Funny, I don't recall saying anything about reapportioning funds from one department to another. You made that up. If this is what you are saying then the whole publicity stunt was, at worst, dishonest in its portrayal, at best, fraudulent. Oh, please. The TMO would have funded his research in any case. They just decided to hand out the money in a way that would give them some publicity. Nothing the least bit fraudulent about it. The press release said what the money was to be used for. And publicity stunts are by definition dishonest. This was a good one, imaginative and quite successful. Let me understand this, Judy. You most certainly seem to be saying that the giving Tony Nader his weight in gold was: 1) a good publicity stunt; and 2) imaginative; and 3) quite successful? I believe if you look above, you won't need to muse about what I seem to be saying, you can see what I actually said. But in case that's too much trouble, I'll quote it here: This was a good one, imaginative and quite successful. I will cede to you that, yes, #2 is correct that it WAS imaginative. But I suggest to you and the others readers on this forum that if you do actually ascribe to both #1 and #3 that you are either: 1) deluded; 2) quite possibly brainwashed by a cult; or 3) in denial. And I suggest to you that you frequently seem to have difficulty interpreting plain English when it's saying something you don't want to accept. A good publicity stunt is a successful one. A successful publicity stunt is one that gets-- wait for it!--a lot of publicity. This stunt got a lot of publicity. You concede it was imaginative. Therefore, it was a good publicity stunt, imaginative and quite successful. then according to you Nurenberg and the 1936 Olympic Games were good publicity stunts and very, very successful. Sad. I myself believe that the receiving his weight in gold stunt was only successful to the extent that it innoculated everyone who follows the TMO against the even nuttier things that were to come down the pike in years to come... Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Rama Lama Ding Ding Dong
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 8/26/05 10:39 AM, TurquoiseB at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip I think Warren Berman donated most of the money for the weight in gold. I wonder if Tony got to keep the gold or graciously handed it over to MMY. The money was a grant was funded by the Global Development Corporation. It was put in a bank to fund Nader's scientific research. The press release of Feb. 6, 1998 quite clearly says that Tony Nader ... will receive his weight in gold. It then goes on several times to refer to it as an award, NOT a grant. Are you trying to tell us that the following paragraph somehow suggests the money was a grant? The award is being offered with the support of the Maharishi Global Development Fund in fact, it is the first performance of this $400 million Fund recently set up in the U.S.A. to support the development and reconstruction of the world according to Natural Law. ...'cause if you are, the above paragraph, at best, is a confusing ambiguous statment that does NOT make clear whether it is the weight in gold given to Nader which is to support the development and reconsruction of the world according to Natural Law or whether it is the $400 million fund The Fund has concluded that Professor Nader's research has provided a powerful scientific basis for this programme because it has demonstrated how crucial is the relationship of individual life to cosmic life, and how vital it is to maintain balance between the individual nature of intelligence and its cosmic status, so that natural harmony and order prevail, and everyone enjoys maximum health, happiness and good fortune. The Fund, in other words, is supporting the development and reconstruction of the world according to Natural Law by giving a grant to Tony Nader to continue his research. ...and, at worst, contradicts the wording of award and will receive his weight in gold. Grants are frequently referred to as awards. Professor Nader will be seated on one side of a special scale, and gold will be piled up on the other side until the scale balances. This gold then will be given to Professor Nader as his scientific award, and deposited in a bank to support his continued scientific work. These quotes are from the same page you quoted from. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Rama Lama Ding Ding Dong
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip And I suggest to you that you frequently seem to have difficulty interpreting plain English when it's saying something you don't want to accept. A good publicity stunt is a successful one. A successful publicity stunt is one that gets-- wait for it!--a lot of publicity. This stunt got a lot of publicity. You concede it was imaginative. Therefore, it was a good publicity stunt, imaginative and quite successful. then according to you Nurenberg and the 1936 Olympic Games were good publicity stunts and very, very successful. If you consider them publicity stunts and they got a lot of publicity, then, as publicity stunts, yes, indeed, they were good publicity and very, very successful. Sad. Not. A matter of the plain meaning of English words. Sorry you can't deal with that. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Rama Lama Ding Ding Dong
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 8/26/05 10:39 AM, TurquoiseB at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip I think Warren Berman donated most of the money for the weight in gold. I wonder if Tony got to keep the gold or graciously handed it over to MMY. The money was a grant was funded by the Global Development Corporation. It was put in a bank to fund Nader's scientific research. The press release of Feb. 6, 1998 quite clearly says that Tony Nader ... will receive his weight in gold. It then goes on several times to refer to it as an award, NOT a grant. Are you trying to tell us that the following paragraph somehow suggests the money was a grant? The award is being offered with the support of the Maharishi Global Development Fund in fact, it is the first performance of this $400 million Fund recently set up in the U.S.A. to support the development and reconstruction of the world according to Natural Law. ...'cause if you are, the above paragraph, at best, is a confusing ambiguous statment that does NOT make clear whether it is the weight in gold given to Nader which is to support the development and reconsruction of the world according to Natural Law or whether it is the $400 million fund The Fund has concluded that Professor Nader's research has provided a powerful scientific basis for this programme because it has demonstrated how crucial is the relationship of individual life to cosmic life, and how vital it is to maintain balance between the individual nature of intelligence and its cosmic status, so that natural harmony and order prevail, and everyone enjoys maximum health, happiness and good fortune. The Fund, in other words, is supporting the development and reconstruction of the world according to Natural Law by giving a grant to Tony Nader to continue his research. ...and, at worst, contradicts the wording of award and will receive his weight in gold. Grants are frequently referred to as awards. Professor Nader will be seated on one side of a special scale, and gold will be piled up on the other side until the scale balances. This gold then will be given to Professor Nader as his scientific award, and deposited in a bank to support his continued scientific work. These quotes are from the same page you quoted from. Yes, the rather long, tortured, full of platitudes and propaganda page...which you have to scroll down half way through the 2,500 word press release to get to.. If the Movement didn't want to mislead people they could have called it a scientific grant in the first paragraph instead of qualifying it 1,000 words later (by the way, a 2,500 word text is about 11 pages single-spaced...whoever heard of a press release -- at least a successful press release anyway! -- being more than a few paragraphs or, at most, a page in length? My God, this is a diatribe, NOT a press release!) Just the fact that the movement had to qualify what is was that Nader actually received by saying that the money was to be deposited in a bank -- where else was he going to keep it...under his mattress -- suggests some sneaky wording and shenanigans going on. Sorry, Judy, it was a horrible publicity stunt and one that was not successful at all. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Rama Lama Ding Ding Dong
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip And I suggest to you that you frequently seem to have difficulty interpreting plain English when it's saying something you don't want to accept. A good publicity stunt is a successful one. A successful publicity stunt is one that gets-- wait for it!--a lot of publicity. This stunt got a lot of publicity. You concede it was imaginative. Therefore, it was a good publicity stunt, imaginative and quite successful. then according to you Nurenberg and the 1936 Olympic Games were good publicity stunts and very, very successful. If you consider them publicity stunts and they got a lot of publicity, then, as publicity stunts, yes, indeed, they were good publicity and very, very successful. Sad. Not. A matter of the plain meaning of English words. Sorry you can't deal with that. No, I can't. And I'll call a spade a spade. It sucked. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Rama Lama Ding Ding Dong
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip [snip] For the record, the money didn't go to him personally but to fund his research; essentially, it was the TMO giving money to the TMO. So he did NOT get his weight in gold. In other words, the whole scale stunt was just a way to reapportion funds WITHIN the TMO from one department to another... Funny, I don't recall saying anything about reapportioning funds from one department to another. You made that up. [snip] Judy Stein from Nov. 10, 1998 (amt): Anyway, this is what he got his weight in gold for. But it was stipulated that it must be used for further research into these matters, SO THE FUNDS WERE REALLY JUST MOVED FROM ONE OF THE MOVEMENT'S POCKETS INTO ANOTHER --it was a publicity stunt, in other words. (my emphasis) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Rama Lama Ding Ding Dong
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] [...] That's what leads me to write off Tony Nader. He always seemed to have too much on the ball to really believe that this silly world government and king stuff was good for the movement in the long run, and he went along with it anyway. Perhaps he sees it as a test, or as silliness that must be endured, or simply asthe last whim of his master, who should be honored? Or perhaps he sees something more (or less) than the rest of us? No, no, no. No way. Tony Nader can't *possibly* have as clear a perspective or as much insight into what he's doing as we have right here on this forum. So true. I mean everyone on this newsgroup has two doctorates, including one given at one of the top universities in the world which he obtained in his non-native tongue... Most Americans, at least, fail to understand how hard it is to obtain a degree of ANY kind while using a second language. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Rama Lama Ding Ding Dong
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip If the Movement didn't want to mislead people they could have called it a scientific grant in the first paragraph instead of qualifying it 1,000 words later (by the way, a 2,500 word text is about 11 pages single-spaced...whoever heard of a press release -- at least a successful press release anyway! -- being more than a few paragraphs or, at most, a page in length? My God, this is a diatribe, NOT a press release!) Most of the news stories I read cited the fact that it was to be used for his research, so apparently reporters aren't as lazy as you are. Just the fact that the movement had to qualify what is was that Nader actually received by saying that the money was to be deposited in a bank -- where else was he going to keep it...under his mattress -- suggests some sneaky wording and shenanigans going on. Uh, no, it doesn't. This was all quite straightforward as far as the transfer of money was concerned. The point wasn't bank vs. mattress; it was that the money wasn't for his personal use. Sorry, Judy, it was a horrible publicity stunt and one that was not successful at all. As I said, it was extremely successful, got all kinds of coverage at the time. It did just what publicity stunts are supposed to do: enticed reporters to attend in order to hear the spiel, in the hope that some of them will reproduce some of it in their news stories, which they did. The TM folks got to talk about the scientific research on TM, including Nader's, and just generally pitch TM and its theories as a formula for fixing the world. It was certainly no worse than other TM publicity stunts, like the Yogic Olympics it used to hold for the same reason, to get reporters in a room to listen to a spiel by putting on a splashy event. The spiel *itself* is weird, but that's another story altogether. Then your argument is with TM for having such a spiel in the first place, not for holding publicity stunts to promote the spiel. That's what publicity stunts *do*, promote spiels. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Rama Lama Ding Ding Dong
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I bet in his quiet moments Tony looks in the mirror, sees himself with his crown and robe and says,What the f**k! Some of what MMY has said about King Tony implies that he's in Unity Consciousness... Gotta wonder at your scenario if this is so... --- Cliff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Or maybe he's terrified of making his own decisions and thus taking responsibility for his own life? Certainly way easier to think my Master told me to do this so it must be right than it is to critically examine one's own behavior and beliefs while admitting the possibility that many things you have held as absolute truth for decades might be not only absurd, but possibly even intentionally concocted by someone you implicitly trusted to deceive and fleece you. The latter is a very serious oh shit experience, as I have found. Maybe Tony just hasn't gotten to the oh shit yet. Or maybe he has so much invested in ignoring the shit that he'll never come face to face with it in this lifetime. Or maybe he really is King of the Universe and an incarnation of the Divine. I know which ones I think are more likely... --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Cliff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Not just you. I have exactly the same reaction. Any westerner who puts on that crown has just removed themselves from any possibility of being taken seriously on this planet. That's it exactly. And anyone who says Yes to the idea, out of a mistaken sense of loyalty to the teacher who proposes it, is IMO doing a disservice both to the teacher and to that which he teaches. So the teacher MUST be wrong when he asks you to do an apparently SILLY thing? Not necessarily, but if *you* know it to be silly and feel in your heart that it's the wrong thing to do, and do it anyway out of a sense of loyalty to the teacher, then yes, it's wrong. That's what leads me to write off Tony Nader. He always seemed to have too much on the ball to really believe that this silly world government and king stuff was good for the movement in the long run, and he went along with it anyway. Perhaps he sees it as a test, or as silliness that must be endured, or simply asthe last whim of his master, who should be honored? Or perhaps he sees something more (or less) than the rest of us? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links [EMAIL PROTECTED] Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Rama Lama Ding Ding Dong
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I bet in his quiet moments Tony looks in the mirror, sees himself with his crown and robe and says,What the f**k! It would be really, really, really, really scary if he didn't. What if he just gave a small chuckle and went about his business? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Rama Lama Ding Ding Dong
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 8/26/05 10:39 AM, TurquoiseB at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I bet in his quiet moments Tony looks in the mirror, sees himself with his crown and robe and says,What the f**k! Agreed, he probably doubles over with laughter at times at the relative absurdity of it all, though he does seem to be enjoying his current ride in the amusement park! I think it's good every so often to remember who *paid* for his E-ticket ride. Where do you think the money came from for his robes and crown, much less his weight in gold? From all the TBs who donated to projects along the way that they'd convinced themselves were really going to happen. I think Warren Berman donated most of the money for the weight in gold. I wonder if Tony got to keep the gold or graciously handed it over to MMY. I wonderif anyone ever reads the original announcements... It said explicitly that themoney was a research grant. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Rama Lama Ding Ding Dong
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip [snip] For the record, the money didn't go to him personally but to fund his research; essentially, it was the TMO giving money to the TMO. So he did NOT get his weight in gold. In other words, the whole scale stunt was just a way to reapportion funds WITHIN the TMO from one department to another... Funny, I don't recall saying anything about reapportioning funds from one department to another. You made that up. [snip] Judy Stein from Nov. 10, 1998 (amt): Anyway, this is what he got his weight in gold for. But it was stipulated that it must be used for further research into these matters, SO THE FUNDS WERE REALLY JUST MOVED FROM ONE OF THE MOVEMENT'S POCKETS INTO ANOTHER --it was a publicity stunt, in other words. (my emphasis) Hmm, let's see, that was, what, seven years ago? I don't believe you'd call the Global Development Fund a TMO department; I believe it operates independently of the TMO. But it certainly would be appropriate to call it a movement pocket. (That's what's called a metaphor, Shemp.) TM movement and TM organization are not synonymous, of course. So I did not, in fact, say anything about reapportioning money from one department within the TMO to another. (And in any case, even if that *was* what had happened, organizations do that all the time. There would have been nothing fraudulent about it.) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Rama Lama Ding Ding Dong
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
I bet in his quiet moments Tony looks in the mirror,
sees himself with his crown and robe and says,What
the f**k!
Well, just before he says What the f**k, he says this is what I
get after 12 years of post-secondary education and medical school?
And a doctorate in neuroscience from MIT?
--- Cliff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Or maybe he's terrified of making his own decisions
and thus
taking responsibility for his own life? Certainly
way easier to think
my Master told me to do this so it must be right
than it is to critically
examine one's own behavior and beliefs while
admitting the possibility
that many things you have held as absolute truth for
decades might
be not only absurd, but possibly even intentionally
concocted by
someone you implicitly trusted to deceive and fleece
you.
The latter is a very serious oh shit experience,
as I have found.
Maybe Tony just hasn't gotten to the oh shit yet.
Or maybe he
has so much invested in ignoring the shit that he'll
never come face
to face with it in this lifetime. Or maybe he
really is King of the
Universe and an incarnation of the Divine. I know
which ones I
think are more likely...
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,
TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,
Cliff
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
Not just you. I have exactly the same
reaction. Any
westerner
who puts on that crown has just removed
themselves from any
possibility of being taken seriously on
this planet.
That's it exactly. And anyone who says
Yes to the
idea, out of a mistaken sense of loyalty to
the teacher
who proposes it, is IMO doing a disservice
both to the
teacher and to that which he teaches.
So the teacher MUST be wrong when he asks you
to do an apparently
SILLY thing?
Not necessarily, but if *you* know it to be
silly
and feel in your heart that it's the wrong thing
to do, and do it anyway out of a sense of
loyalty
to the teacher, then yes, it's wrong.
That's what leads me to write off Tony Nader.
He
always seemed to have too much on the ball to
really believe that this silly world government
and king stuff was good for the movement in the
long run, and he went along with it anyway.
Perhaps he sees it as a test, or as silliness that
must be endured,
or simply asthe last whim of his master, who
should be honored?
Or perhaps he sees something more (or less) than
the rest of us?
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Rama Lama Ding Ding Dong
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I bet in his quiet moments Tony looks in the mirror, sees himself with his crown and robe and says,What the f**k! Agreed, he probably doubles over with laughter at times at the relative absurdity of it all, though he does seem to be enjoying his current ride in the amusement park! I think it's good every so often to remember who *paid* for his E-ticket ride. Where do you think the money came from for his robes and crown, much less his weight in gold? From all the TBs who donated to projects along the way that they'd convinced themselves were really going to happen. For the record, the money didn't go to him personally but to fund his research; essentially, it was the TMO giving money to the TMO. So he did NOT get his weight in gold. In other words, the whole scale stunt was just a way to reapportion funds WITHIN the TMO from one department to another... If this is what you are saying then the whole publicity stunt was, at worst, dishonest in its portrayal, at best, fraudulent. It was a publicity stunt and the original PR on it said it was a research grant. And I rather doubt his crown and robe were a major expenditure. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Rama Lama Ding Ding Dong
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip I think it's good every so often to remember who *paid* for his E-ticket ride. Where do you think the money came from for his robes and crown, much less his weight in gold? From all the TBs who donated to projects along the way that they'd convinced themselves were really going to happen. For the record, the money didn't go to him personally but to fund his research; essentially, it was the TMO giving money to the TMO. So he did NOT get his weight in gold. In other words, the whole scale stunt was just a way to reapportion funds WITHIN the TMO from one department to another... Funny, I don't recall saying anything about reapportioning funds from one department to another. You made that up. If this is what you are saying then the whole publicity stunt was, at worst, dishonest in its portrayal, at best, fraudulent. Oh, please. The TMO would have funded his research in any case. They just decided to hand out the money in a way that would give them some publicity. Nothing the least bit fraudulent about it. The press release said what the money was to be used for. And publicity stunts are by definition dishonest. This was a good one, imaginative and quite successful. Let me understand this, Judy. You most certainly seem to be saying that the giving Tony Nader his weight in gold was: 1) a good publicity stunt; and 2) imaginative; and 3) quite successful? I will cede to you that, yes, #2 is correct that it WAS imaginative. But I suggest to you and the others readers on this forum that if you do actually ascribe to both #1 and #3 that you are either: 1) deluded; 2) quite possibly brainwashed by a cult; or 3) in denial. Are you sure you don't want to retract your statement above? Only after you admit you can't read research grant when it is presented to you over and over again... No kidding, folks, the criticism here is verging on the pathological. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Rama Lama Ding Ding Dong
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 8/26/05 10:39 AM, TurquoiseB at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip I think Warren Berman donated most of the money for the weight in gold. I wonder if Tony got to keep the gold or graciously handed it over to MMY. The money was a grant was funded by the Global Development Corporation. It was put in a bank to fund Nader's scientific research. The press release of Feb. 6, 1998 quite clearly says that Tony Nader ... will receive his weight in gold. It then goes on several times to refer to it as an award, NOT a grant. Are you trying to tell us that the following paragraph somehow suggests the money was a grant? The award is being offered with the support of the Maharishi Global Development Fund in fact, it is the first performance of this $400 million Fund recently set up in the U.S.A. to support the development and reconstruction of the world according to Natural Law. ...'cause if you are, the above paragraph, at best, is a confusing ambiguous statment that does NOT make clear whether it is the weight in gold given to Nader which is to support the development and reconsruction of the world according to Natural Law or whether it is the $400 million fund...and, at worst, contradicts the wording of award and will receive his weight in gold. It also says...: Professor Nader will be seated on one side of a special scale, and gold will be piled up on the other side until the scale balances. This gold then will be given to Professor Nader as his scientific award, and deposited in a bank to support his continued scientific work. During the ceremony, Professor Nader will respond with a special address to the global audience and members of the press about his most recent discoveries in the physiology particularly concerning the specific location in the human brain of the intelligence which rules the universe. Their Weight in Silver for His Research Colleagues Professor Nader's colleagues, Dr. Volker Schanbacher from Germany, and Dr. Keith Wallace and Ted Wallace from the United States, and Dr. Walter Mölk and Dr. Rainer Picha from Austria, who have recently joined Maharishi Vedic University, and have assisted him in continuing the research, will then take their turn on the scale. Silver will be piled up equivalent to their weights, and this will be granted to them in honour of their achievements. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Rama Lama Ding Ding Dong
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip For the record, the money didn't go to him personally but to fund his research; essentially, it was the TMO giving money to the TMO. Shemp, this is what you *should* have quoted, from my recent post here, instead of going back and digging up a seven-year-old post from alt.m.t in which I'd said something *different*. How much time did you waste doing that? In any case, you were correct that I'd suggested it was transferred within the TMO proper. But I'd forgotten that the money was from the Global Development Fund until I'd read the press release again. It wasn't within the TMO proper after all. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Rama Lama Ding Ding Dong
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What if he just gave a small chuckle and went about his business? Would you wear the crown and robes? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Rama Lama Ding Ding Dong
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip If the Movement didn't want to mislead people they could have called it a scientific grant in the first paragraph instead of qualifying it 1,000 words later (by the way, a 2,500 word text is about 11 pages single-spaced...whoever heard of a press release - - at least a successful press release anyway! -- being more than a few paragraphs or, at most, a page in length? My God, this is a diatribe, NOT a press release!) Most of the news stories I read cited the fact that it was to be used for his research, so apparently reporters aren't as lazy as you are. No, they're not. Probably because they are not used to the fact that the TMO publishes pages and pages and pages and pages of useless propaganda and made-up and unfounded platitudes of TMO operatives that have received dubious PhD's...and when a reporter is assigned the job of doing a piece on the TMO -- probably for the first time -- he does his job properly enough to actually READ a whole 11 page press release. You see, Judy, I am much more jaded. I will NOT waste my time reading through 11 pages of platitudes and superlatives to find out what I should have gotten in the first paragraph. So, yes, I am lazy. From experience, the TMO has taught me to be... But kudos to you for having the time in your day to actually READ ALL of the Movement's publications. It must be heartwarming to the scribes that spit out this stuff in Holland to know that a TBer is taking the time out to actually READ this stuff... Just the fact that the movement had to qualify what is was that Nader actually received by saying that the money was to be deposited in a bank -- where else was he going to keep it...under his mattress -- suggests some sneaky wording and shenanigans going on. Uh, no, it doesn't. This was all quite straightforward as far as the transfer of money was concerned. The point wasn't bank vs. mattress; it was that the money wasn't for his personal use. Gee, then say it in the first paragraph, don't call it an award and don't say that Nader received the money. Sorry, Judy, it was a horrible publicity stunt and one that was not successful at all. As I said, it was extremely successful, got all kinds of coverage at the time. It did just what publicity stunts are supposed to do: enticed reporters to attend in order to hear the spiel, in the hope that some of them will reproduce some of it in their news stories, which they did. The TM folks got to talk about the scientific research on TM, including Nader's, and just generally pitch TM and its theories as a formula for fixing the world. Yeah, it worked out really, really well. It really increased the credibility of TM and the TMO in the eyes of all the mainstream reporters that either attended the press conference or read about it. Yeah, they really took seriously a purported scientist and grown man sitting on a scale having himself weighed in gold. For the TMO's next publicity stunt that will surely also increase their credibility, they're going to have an elephant named Ganesh take a dump on a plate of spaghetti. The meal will be called the United States. Then a monkey called Hanuman is going to eat it. Hanuman will represent the purifying power of Shtapatya architecture and will demonstrate overcoming of evil. It was certainly no worse than other TM publicity stunts, Agreed! like the Yogic Olympics it used to hold for the same reason, to get reporters in a room to listen to a spiel by putting on a splashy event. Oh, and we've been taken seriously ever since...NOT! The spiel *itself* is weird, but that's another story altogether. 'Fraid not. The publicity stunts have BECOME the message...and any 6th grade child could have told MMY that from the very first one... Then your argument is with TM for having such a spiel in the first place, not for holding publicity stunts to promote the spiel. That's what publicity stunts *do*, promote spiels. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Rama Lama Ding Ding Dong
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
I bet in his quiet moments Tony looks in the mirror,
sees himself with his crown and robe and says,What
the f**k!
Some of what MMY has said about King Tony implies that he's in
Unity
Consciousness...
Gotta wonder at your scenario if this is so...
What are you saying, that being in Unity Consciousness removes your
common sense, that it obliterates your sense of decency and self-
respect?
--- Cliff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Or maybe he's terrified of making his own decisions
and thus
taking responsibility for his own life? Certainly
way easier to think
my Master told me to do this so it must be right
than it is to critically
examine one's own behavior and beliefs while
admitting the possibility
that many things you have held as absolute truth for
decades might
be not only absurd, but possibly even intentionally
concocted by
someone you implicitly trusted to deceive and fleece
you.
The latter is a very serious oh shit experience,
as I have found.
Maybe Tony just hasn't gotten to the oh shit yet.
Or maybe he
has so much invested in ignoring the shit that he'll
never come face
to face with it in this lifetime. Or maybe he
really is King of the
Universe and an incarnation of the Divine. I know
which ones I
think are more likely...
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,
TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,
Cliff
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
Not just you. I have exactly the same
reaction. Any
westerner
who puts on that crown has just removed
themselves from any
possibility of being taken seriously on
this planet.
That's it exactly. And anyone who says
Yes to the
idea, out of a mistaken sense of loyalty to
the teacher
who proposes it, is IMO doing a disservice
both to the
teacher and to that which he teaches.
So the teacher MUST be wrong when he asks you
to do an apparently
SILLY thing?
Not necessarily, but if *you* know it to be
silly
and feel in your heart that it's the wrong thing
to do, and do it anyway out of a sense of
loyalty
to the teacher, then yes, it's wrong.
That's what leads me to write off Tony Nader.
He
always seemed to have too much on the ball to
really believe that this silly world government
and king stuff was good for the movement in the
long run, and he went along with it anyway.
Perhaps he sees it as a test, or as silliness that
must be endured,
or simply asthe last whim of his master, who
should be honored?
Or perhaps he sees something more (or less) than
the rest of us?
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Rama Lama Ding Ding Dong
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip [snip] For the record, the money didn't go to him personally but to fund his research; essentially, it was the TMO giving money to the TMO. So he did NOT get his weight in gold. In other words, the whole scale stunt was just a way to reapportion funds WITHIN the TMO from one department to another... Funny, I don't recall saying anything about reapportioning funds from one department to another. You made that up. [snip] Judy Stein from Nov. 10, 1998 (amt): Anyway, this is what he got his weight in gold for. But it was stipulated that it must be used for further research into these matters, SO THE FUNDS WERE REALLY JUST MOVED FROM ONE OF THE MOVEMENT'S POCKETS INTO ANOTHER --it was a publicity stunt, in other words. (my emphasis) Hmm, let's see, that was, what, seven years ago? I don't believe you'd call the Global Development Fund a TMO department; I believe it operates independently of the TMO. But it certainly would be appropriate to call it a movement pocket. (That's what's called a metaphor, Shemp.) TM movement and TM organization are not synonymous, of course. So I did not, in fact, say anything about reapportioning money from one department within the TMO to another. (And in any case, even if that *was* what had happened, organizations do that all the time. There would have been nothing fraudulent about it.) I think we'll let your words speak for themselves. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Rama Lama Ding Ding Dong
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I bet in his quiet moments Tony looks in the mirror, sees himself with his crown and robe and says,What the f**k! Well, just before he says What the f**k, he says this is what I get after 12 years of post-secondary education and medical school? And a doctorate in neuroscience from MIT? -) PRECISELY my point! --- Cliff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Or maybe he's terrified of making his own decisions and thus taking responsibility for his own life? Certainly way easier to think my Master told me to do this so it must be right than it is to critically examine one's own behavior and beliefs while admitting the possibility that many things you have held as absolute truth for decades might be not only absurd, but possibly even intentionally concocted by someone you implicitly trusted to deceive and fleece you. The latter is a very serious oh shit experience, as I have found. Maybe Tony just hasn't gotten to the oh shit yet. Or maybe he has so much invested in ignoring the shit that he'll never come face to face with it in this lifetime. Or maybe he really is King of the Universe and an incarnation of the Divine. I know which ones I think are more likely... --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Cliff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Not just you. I have exactly the same reaction. Any westerner who puts on that crown has just removed themselves from any possibility of being taken seriously on this planet. That's it exactly. And anyone who says Yes to the idea, out of a mistaken sense of loyalty to the teacher who proposes it, is IMO doing a disservice both to the teacher and to that which he teaches. So the teacher MUST be wrong when he asks you to do an apparently SILLY thing? Not necessarily, but if *you* know it to be silly and feel in your heart that it's the wrong thing to do, and do it anyway out of a sense of loyalty to the teacher, then yes, it's wrong. That's what leads me to write off Tony Nader. He always seemed to have too much on the ball to really believe that this silly world government and king stuff was good for the movement in the long run, and he went along with it anyway. Perhaps he sees it as a test, or as silliness that must be endured, or simply asthe last whim of his master, who should be honored? Or perhaps he sees something more (or less) than the rest of us? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM --- --- - -~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links [EMAIL PROTECTED] Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Rama Lama Ding Ding Dong
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I bet in his quiet moments Tony looks in the mirror, sees himself with his crown and robe and says,What the f**k! Agreed, he probably doubles over with laughter at times at the relative absurdity of it all, though he does seem to be enjoying his current ride in the amusement park! I think it's good every so often to remember who *paid* for his E-ticket ride. Where do you think the money came from for his robes and crown, much less his weight in gold? From all the TBs who donated to projects along the way that they'd convinced themselves were really going to happen. For the record, the money didn't go to him personally but to fund his research; essentially, it was the TMO giving money to the TMO. So he did NOT get his weight in gold. In other words, the whole scale stunt was just a way to reapportion funds WITHIN the TMO from one department to another... If this is what you are saying then the whole publicity stunt was, at worst, dishonest in its portrayal, at best, fraudulent. It was a publicity stunt and the original PR on it said it was a research grant. Yeah, 1,000 words into an 11-page, 2,500 word press release. Yes, I am guilty as charged of not reading ALL of the endless diatribes and propaganda that the TMO publishes. And I rather doubt his crown and robe were a major expenditure. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Rama Lama Ding Ding Dong
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip For the record, the money didn't go to him personally but to fund his research; essentially, it was the TMO giving money to the TMO. Shemp, this is what you *should* have quoted, from my recent post here, instead of going back and digging up a seven-year-old post from alt.m.t in which I'd said something *different*. How much time did you waste doing that? In any case, you were correct that I'd suggested it was transferred within the TMO proper. But I'd forgotten that the money was from the Global Development Fund until I'd read the press release again. It wasn't within the TMO proper after all. I'm sorry...this Global Development Fund...is it connected to the United Nations or something? You indicate it is a separate independent entity from the TMO. Who is it connected to then? Which well known U.S. or European university or hospital or public or private research body? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Rama Lama Ding Ding Dong
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Shemp, this is what you *should* have quoted, from my recent post here, instead of going back and digging up a seven-year-old post from alt.m.t in which I'd said something *different*. How much time did you waste doing that? I wondered how much time it took too. However, as it seems to be in keeping with other invitations you have given to visit alt. m.t. to clarify something, you're time wasting comment seems a bit catty to me. These interchanges are somewhat mesmerizing for me, like hanging around at a car wreck: I want to see what happens, but part of me wonders why. I guess I rationalize the volitional waste of my own time with this stuff as at least I'm reading, rather than being gamma rayiedly (correct this spelling please) stupified by the boob tube. There is perverse entertainment value in it all for me. So, for that, I thank you (the collective you). Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Rama Lama Ding Ding Dong
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Jeff Fischer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What if he just gave a small chuckle and went about his business? Would you wear the crown and robes? You mean instead of a sailor's cap? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Rama Lama Ding Ding Dong
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip You see, Judy, I am much more jaded. I will NOT waste my time reading through 11 pages of platitudes and superlatives to find out what I should have gotten in the first paragraph. So, yes, I am lazy. From experience, the TMO has taught me to be... But kudos to you for having the time in your day to actually READ ALL of the Movement's publications. It must be heartwarming to the scribes that spit out this stuff in Holland to know that a TBer is taking the time out to actually READ this stuff... Actually I only read it when there's a good reason to do so--say if I have made a claim about something and it's challenged. Then I may well read the whole thing to see whether my claim holds up or not, 'cause I'd look awfully silly quoting something in the early paragraphs as support when it turns out something later on showed I was wrong. snip Just the fact that the movement had to qualify what is was that Nader actually received by saying that the money was to be deposited in a bank -- where else was he going to keep it...under his mattress -- suggests some sneaky wording and shenanigans going on. Uh, no, it doesn't. This was all quite straightforward as far as the transfer of money was concerned. The point wasn't bank vs. mattress; it was that the money wasn't for his personal use. Gee, then say it in the first paragraph, don't call it an award and don't say that Nader received the money. As I already pointed out, this is standard language. Scientists receive awards of money to continue their research all the time, and that's exactly how the process is described. Nothing at all misleading about it. Sorry, Judy, it was a horrible publicity stunt and one that was not successful at all. As I said, it was extremely successful, got all kinds of coverage at the time. It did just what publicity stunts are supposed to do: enticed reporters to attend in order to hear the spiel, in the hope that some of them will reproduce some of it in their news stories, which they did. The TM folks got to talk about the scientific research on TM, including Nader's, and just generally pitch TM and its theories as a formula for fixing the world. Yeah, it worked out really, really well. It really increased the credibility of TM and the TMO in the eyes of all the mainstream reporters that either attended the press conference or read about it. Yeah, they really took seriously a purported scientist and grown man sitting on a scale having himself weighed in gold. They all knew it was a publicity stunt, Shemp. But it was a splashy, fun story, and in order to have a basis for publishing it, they had to put in a little something about the TM research and the goals of the movement, which was why the stunt was devised in the first place. It accomplished exactly what the TMO wanted it to accomplish. Reporters, and most people with any sense, understand about publicity stunts. They enjoy the stunt and hopefully absorb a little of the substance. If you're objecting that they'd have found the substance foolish, it's a different story, as I said: Then your argument is with TM for having such a spiel in the first place, not for holding publicity stunts to promote the spiel. That's what publicity stunts *do*, promote spiels. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Rama Lama Ding Ding Dong
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip So I did not, in fact, say anything about reapportioning money from one department within the TMO to another. (And in any case, even if that *was* what had happened, organizations do that all the time. There would have been nothing fraudulent about it.) I think we'll let your words speak for themselves. Translation: Ooops. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Rama Lama Ding Ding Dong
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip For the record, the money didn't go to him personally but to fund his research; essentially, it was the TMO giving money to the TMO. Shemp, this is what you *should* have quoted, from my recent post here, instead of going back and digging up a seven-year-old post from alt.m.t in which I'd said something *different*. How much time did you waste doing that? In any case, you were correct that I'd suggested it was transferred within the TMO proper. But I'd forgotten that the money was from the Global Development Fund until I'd read the press release again. It wasn't within the TMO proper after all. I'm sorry...this Global Development Fund...is it connected to the United Nations or something? You indicate it is a separate independent entity from the TMO. Who is it connected to then? Which well known U.S. or European university or hospital or public or private research body? It's independent. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Rama Lama Ding Ding Dong
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Jeff Fischer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Shemp, this is what you *should* have quoted, from my recent post here, instead of going back and digging up a seven-year-old post from alt.m.t in which I'd said something *different*. How much time did you waste doing that? I wondered how much time it took too. However, as it seems to be in keeping with other invitations you have given to visit alt. m.t. to clarify something, you're time wasting comment seems a bit catty to me. Congratulations, Jeff. Once again you've found a way to make me the bad guy. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Rama Lama Ding Ding Dong
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Congratulations, Jeff. Once again you've found a way to make me the bad guy. Sorry. Not my intention. I'll go back to keeping my observations to myself as they obviously are counterproductive for you. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Rama Lama Ding Ding Dong
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Jeff Fischer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What if he just gave a small chuckle and went about his business? Would you wear the crown and robes? If I were in his position, etc? Sure, why not? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Rama Lama Ding Ding Dong
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [...] Probably because they are not used to the fact that the TMO publishes pages and pages and pages and pages of useless propaganda and made-up and unfounded platitudes of TMO operatives that have received dubious PhD's... Regardless, King Nader's degees are MD from a medical school in Lebanon, and a PhD from MIT. Do you have any reason to suspect these are made up? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Rama Lama Ding Ding Dong
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I bet in his quiet moments Tony looks in the mirror, sees himself with his crown and robe and says,What the f**k! Some of what MMY has said about King Tony implies that he's in Unity Consciousness... Gotta wonder at your scenario if this is so... What are you saying, that being in Unity Consciousness removes your common sense, that it obliterates your sense of decency and self- respect? Dunno. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Rama Lama Ding Ding Dong
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I bet in his quiet moments Tony looks in the mirror, sees himself with his crown and robe and says,What the f**k! Well, just before he says What the f**k, he says this is what I get after 12 years of post-secondary education and medical school? And a doctorate in neuroscience from MIT? -) PRECISELY my point! His degrees to waste. What IS your point? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Rama Lama Ding Ding Dong
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I bet in his quiet moments Tony looks in the mirror, sees himself with his crown and robe and says,What the f**k! Agreed, he probably doubles over with laughter at times at the relative absurdity of it all, though he does seem to be enjoying his current ride in the amusement park! I think it's good every so often to remember who *paid* for his E-ticket ride. Where do you think the money came from for his robes and crown, much less his weight in gold? From all the TBs who donated to projects along the way that they'd convinced themselves were really going to happen. For the record, the money didn't go to him personally but to fund his research; essentially, it was the TMO giving money to the TMO. So he did NOT get his weight in gold. In other words, the whole scale stunt was just a way to reapportion funds WITHIN the TMO from one department to another... If this is what you are saying then the whole publicity stunt was, at worst, dishonest in its portrayal, at best, fraudulent. It was a publicity stunt and the original PR on it said it was a research grant. Yeah, 1,000 words into an 11-page, 2,500 word press release. Yes, I am guilty as charged of not reading ALL of the endless diatribes and propaganda that the TMO publishes. More like you're guilty of obsessing about a what, 10-year-old (or more) press release that you admit you misread in the first place? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Rama Lama Ding Ding Dong
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip You see, Judy, I am much more jaded. I will NOT waste my time reading through 11 pages of platitudes and superlatives to find out what I should have gotten in the first paragraph. So, yes, I am lazy. From experience, the TMO has taught me to be... But kudos to you for having the time in your day to actually READ ALL of the Movement's publications. It must be heartwarming to the scribes that spit out this stuff in Holland to know that a TBer is taking the time out to actually READ this stuff... Actually I only read it when there's a good reason to do so--say if I have made a claim about something and it's challenged. Then I may well read the whole thing to see whether my claim holds up or not, 'cause I'd look awfully silly quoting something in the early paragraphs as support when it turns out something later on showed I was wrong. I'll call you disingenious instead of just outright calling you a liar, Judy, which is what you are so quick to call others. On October 16, 1998 at 12:00 a.m. in reference to Tony Nader and the gold, you said: That's what the news release said explicitly that the gold was to be used for. snip Just the fact that the movement had to qualify what is was that Nader actually received by saying that the money was to be deposited in a bank -- where else was he going to keep it...under his mattress -- suggests some sneaky wording and shenanigans going on. Uh, no, it doesn't. This was all quite straightforward as far as the transfer of money was concerned. The point wasn't bank vs. mattress; it was that the money wasn't for his personal use. Gee, then say it in the first paragraph, don't call it an award and don't say that Nader received the money. As I already pointed out, this is standard language. Scientists receive awards of money to continue their research all the time, and that's exactly how the process is described. Nothing at all misleading about it. Sorry, Judy, it was a horrible publicity stunt and one that was not successful at all. As I said, it was extremely successful, got all kinds of coverage at the time. It did just what publicity stunts are supposed to do: enticed reporters to attend in order to hear the spiel, in the hope that some of them will reproduce some of it in their news stories, which they did. The TM folks got to talk about the scientific research on TM, including Nader's, and just generally pitch TM and its theories as a formula for fixing the world. Yeah, it worked out really, really well. It really increased the credibility of TM and the TMO in the eyes of all the mainstream reporters that either attended the press conference or read about it. Yeah, they really took seriously a purported scientist and grown man sitting on a scale having himself weighed in gold. They all knew it was a publicity stunt, Shemp. But it was a splashy, fun story, and in order to have a basis for publishing it, they had to put in a little something about the TM research and the goals of the movement, which was why the stunt was devised in the first place. It accomplished exactly what the TMO wanted it to accomplish. Reporters, and most people with any sense, understand about publicity stunts. They enjoy the stunt and hopefully absorb a little of the substance. If you're objecting that they'd have found the substance foolish, it's a different story, as I said: Then your argument is with TM for having such a spiel in the first place, not for holding publicity stunts to promote the spiel. That's what publicity stunts *do*, promote spiels. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Rama Lama Ding Ding Dong
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [...] Probably because they are not used to the fact that the TMO publishes pages and pages and pages and pages of useless propaganda and made-up and unfounded platitudes of TMO operatives that have received dubious PhD's... Regardless, King Nader's degees are MD from a medical school in Lebanon, and a PhD from MIT. Do you have any reason to suspect these are made up? ...and you ask that question in the same sentence in which you refer to him as KING Nader... Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Rama Lama Ding Ding Dong
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip For the record, the money didn't go to him personally but to fund his research; essentially, it was the TMO giving money to the TMO. Shemp, this is what you *should* have quoted, from my recent post here, instead of going back and digging up a seven-year-old post from alt.m.t in which I'd said something *different*. How much time did you waste doing that? In any case, you were correct that I'd suggested it was transferred within the TMO proper. But I'd forgotten that the money was from the Global Development Fund until I'd read the press release again. It wasn't within the TMO proper after all. I'm sorry...this Global Development Fund...is it connected to the United Nations or something? You indicate it is a separate independent entity from the TMO. Who is it connected to then? Which well known U.S. or European university or hospital or public or private research body? It's independent. Uhhh, okay, it's independent and where do they get their funds from? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Rama Lama Ding Ding Dong
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I bet in his quiet moments Tony looks in the mirror, sees himself with his crown and robe and says,What the f**k! Agreed, he probably doubles over with laughter at times at the relative absurdity of it all, though he does seem to be enjoying his current ride in the amusement park! I think it's good every so often to remember who *paid* for his E-ticket ride. Where do you think the money came from for his robes and crown, much less his weight in gold? From all the TBs who donated to projects along the way that they'd convinced themselves were really going to happen. For the record, the money didn't go to him personally but to fund his research; essentially, it was the TMO giving money to the TMO. So he did NOT get his weight in gold. In other words, the whole scale stunt was just a way to reapportion funds WITHIN the TMO from one department to another... If this is what you are saying then the whole publicity stunt was, at worst, dishonest in its portrayal, at best, fraudulent. It was a publicity stunt and the original PR on it said it was a research grant. Yeah, 1,000 words into an 11-page, 2,500 word press release. Yes, I am guilty as charged of not reading ALL of the endless diatribes and propaganda that the TMO publishes. More like you're guilty of obsessing about a what, 10-year-old (or more) press release that you admit you misread in the first place? I never even READ the entire press release back in -- what was it? -- 1998. I guess seeing the photo in Age of Enlightenment News freaked me out so much that I was afraid to read any of the details... Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Rama Lama Ding Ding Dong
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Jeff Fischer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Shemp, this is what you *should* have quoted, from my recent post here, instead of going back and digging up a seven-year-old post from alt.m.t in which I'd said something *different*. How much time did you waste doing that? I wondered how much time it took too. However, as it seems to be in keeping with other invitations you have given to visit alt. m.t. to clarify something, you're time wasting comment seems a bit catty to me. Congratulations, Jeff. Once again you've found a way to make me the bad guy. No, Kitten, you're not the bad guy. Jeff is just being a mean, old poop. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Rama Lama Ding Ding Dong
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip You see, Judy, I am much more jaded. I will NOT waste my time reading through 11 pages of platitudes and superlatives to find out what I should have gotten in the first paragraph. So, yes, I am lazy. From experience, the TMO has taught me to be... But kudos to you for having the time in your day to actually READ ALL of the Movement's publications. It must be heartwarming to the scribes that spit out this stuff in Holland to know that a TBer is taking the time out to actually READ this stuff... Actually I only read it when there's a good reason to do so--say if I have made a claim about something and it's challenged. Then I may well read the whole thing to see whether my claim holds up or not, 'cause I'd look awfully silly quoting something in the early paragraphs as support when it turns out something later on showed I was wrong. snip Just the fact that the movement had to qualify what is was that Nader actually received by saying that the money was to be deposited in a bank -- where else was he going to keep it...under his mattress -- suggests some sneaky wording and shenanigans going on. Uh, no, it doesn't. This was all quite straightforward as far as the transfer of money was concerned. The point wasn't bank vs. mattress; it was that the money wasn't for his personal use. Gee, then say it in the first paragraph, don't call it an award and don't say that Nader received the money. As I already pointed out, this is standard language. Scientists receive awards of money to continue their research all the time, ...by putting their fat butts onto a larger-than-life scale and weighing it in gold? $100,000 in useless Raams to the first person who can show me a scientist outside of the TM cult who got a research grant by getting his weight in gold... and that's exactly how the process is described. Nothing at all misleading about it. Sorry, Judy, it was a horrible publicity stunt and one that was not successful at all. As I said, it was extremely successful, got all kinds of coverage at the time. It did just what publicity stunts are supposed to do: enticed reporters to attend in order to hear the spiel, in the hope that some of them will reproduce some of it in their news stories, which they did. The TM folks got to talk about the scientific research on TM, including Nader's, and just generally pitch TM and its theories as a formula for fixing the world. Yeah, it worked out really, really well. It really increased the credibility of TM and the TMO in the eyes of all the mainstream reporters that either attended the press conference or read about it. Yeah, they really took seriously a purported scientist and grown man sitting on a scale having himself weighed in gold. They all knew it was a publicity stunt, Shemp. But it was a splashy, fun story, Well, I apologise for being such a party-pooper for feeling that the organisation responsible for propagating the spiritual technique that I've been doing religiously for the past 32 years is making complete asses of themselves. and in order to have a basis for publishing it, they had to put in a little something about the TM research and the goals of the movement, which was why the stunt was devised in the first place. It accomplished exactly what the TMO wanted it to accomplish. Reporters, and most people with any sense, understand about publicity stunts. They enjoy the stunt and hopefully absorb a little of the substance. Could you please show me one mainstream reporter who covered the event that didn't come away with a negative reaction? If you're objecting that they'd have found the substance foolish, it's a different story, as I said: Then your argument is with TM for having such a spiel in the first place, not for holding publicity stunts to promote the spiel. That's what publicity stunts *do*, promote spiels. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL
[FairfieldLife] Re: Rama Lama Ding Ding Dong
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip Actually I only read it when there's a good reason to do so--say if I have made a claim about something and it's challenged. Then I may well read the whole thing to see whether my claim holds up or not, 'cause I'd look awfully silly quoting something in the early paragraphs as support when it turns out something later on showed I was wrong. I'll call you disingenious instead of just outright calling you a liar, Judy, which is what you are so quick to call others. On October 16, 1998 at 12:00 a.m. in reference to Tony Nader and the gold, you said: That's what the news release said explicitly that the gold was to be used for. That's correct, that's what the press release says. And your point is...? On what basis do you call me anything but 100 percent accurate? ...you claim to only read movement publications -- specifically, the 11-page, 2,500 word press release in question -- in full when there's a good reason to do so, say if you've made a claim about something and you're challenged. But that's not the case because you read it in its entirety back in 1998... Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Rama Lama Ding Ding Dong
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Jeff Fischer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What if he just gave a small chuckle and went about his business? Would you wear the crown and robes? If I were in his position, etc? Sure, why not? Yeah, with King's right I would... It's nice to be da King... Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Rama Lama Ding Ding Dong
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip As I already pointed out, this is standard language. Scientists receive awards of money to continue their research all the time, ...by putting their fat butts onto a larger-than-life scale and weighing it in gold? No, Shemp, that's the publicity-stunt part. But that's a non sequitur anyway, because what you were objecting to was the specific language that was used, which was entirely appropriate and not misleading. snip They all knew it was a publicity stunt, Shemp. But it was a splashy, fun story, Well, I apologise for being such a party-pooper for feeling that the organisation responsible for propagating the spiritual technique that I've been doing religiously for the past 32 years is making complete asses of themselves. As I've already pointed out, that's a different issue entirely. snip Reporters, and most people with any sense, understand about publicity stunts. They enjoy the stunt and hopefully absorb a little of the substance. Could you please show me one mainstream reporter who covered the event that didn't come away with a negative reaction? No. This was in 1998. Most newspapers didn't have Web sites back then. But the stories I remember reading were as positive as they've been about any of TM's publicity stunts. They just reported it straightforwardly. If I'd been a reporter, not associated with TM, I think I'd have considered it a pretty good stunt. A casino in Vegas recently offered to pay a woman's college tuition if she'd shave her head and have the casino's name tatooed onto her scalp. Brought the casino huge publicity, got her a college education. The Cathedral of St. John the Divine in New York City holds an annual Blessing of the Animals. People bring their pets to be blessed, animal handlers bring all kinds of colorful animals. Every TV station and newspaper in the city, and many from outside the city, shows up and does stories on it. Dennis Kuchinich held a very public bride search when he was running for the Democratic nomination. He didn't end up with a wife, but he did get lots of publicity. The purpose of publicity stunts is to get publicity. The more unusual the event, the more publicity it gets. They're not always entirely dignified, but nobody *cares* because that isn't the point. There was nothing offensive about this one. It was a clever way to give Nader some research money and get a lot of media attention. It's utterly absurd for you to obsess about it like this. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Rama Lama Ding Ding Dong
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip I'm sorry...this Global Development Fund...is it connected to the United Nations or something? You indicate it is a separate independent entity from the TMO. Who is it connected to then? Which well known U.S. or European university or hospital or public or private research body? It's independent. Uhhh, okay, it's independent and where do they get their funds from? Donations, I believe. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Rama Lama Ding Ding Dong
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip As I already pointed out, this is standard language. Scientists receive awards of money to continue their research all the time, ...by putting their fat butts onto a larger-than-life scale and weighing it in gold? No, Shemp, that's the publicity-stunt part. But that's a non sequitur anyway, because what you were objecting to was the specific language that was used, which was entirely appropriate and not misleading. snip They all knew it was a publicity stunt, Shemp. But it was a splashy, fun story, Well, I apologise for being such a party-pooper for feeling that the organisation responsible for propagating the spiritual technique that I've been doing religiously for the past 32 years is making complete asses of themselves. As I've already pointed out, that's a different issue entirely. snip Reporters, and most people with any sense, understand about publicity stunts. They enjoy the stunt and hopefully absorb a little of the substance. Could you please show me one mainstream reporter who covered the event that didn't come away with a negative reaction? No. This was in 1998. Most newspapers didn't have Web sites back then. But the stories I remember reading were as positive as they've been about any of TM's publicity stunts. They just reported it straightforwardly. If I'd been a reporter, not associated with TM, I think I'd have considered it a pretty good stunt. A casino in Vegas recently offered to pay a woman's college tuition if she'd shave her head and have the casino's name tatooed onto her scalp. Brought the casino huge publicity, got her a college education. A casino in Vegas... I rest my case. The Cathedral of St. John the Divine in New York City holds an annual Blessing of the Animals. People bring their pets to be blessed, animal handlers bring all kinds of colorful animals. Every TV station and newspaper in the city, and many from outside the city, shows up and does stories on it. Dennis Kuchinich held a very public bride search when he was running for the Democratic nomination. He didn't end up with a wife, but he did get lots of publicity. The purpose of publicity stunts is to get publicity. The more unusual the event, the more publicity it gets. They're not always entirely dignified, but nobody *cares* because that isn't the point. There was nothing offensive about this one. It was a clever way to give Nader some research money and get a lot of media attention. It's utterly absurd for you to obsess about it like this. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Rama Lama Ding Ding Dong
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip I'm sorry...this Global Development Fund...is it connected to the United Nations or something? You indicate it is a separate independent entity from the TMO. Who is it connected to then? Which well known U.S. or European university or hospital or public or private research body? It's independent. Uhhh, okay, it's independent and where do they get their funds from? Donations, I believe. ...like the United Way gets money from a cross section of society? Tell me, does the expression: He who pays the piper call the tune have any resonance with you? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Rama Lama Ding Ding Dong
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip Actually I only read it when there's a good reason to do so--say if I have made a claim about something and it's challenged. Then I may well read the whole thing to see whether my claim holds up or not, 'cause I'd look awfully silly quoting something in the early paragraphs as support when it turns out something later on showed I was wrong. I'll call you disingenious instead of just outright calling you a liar, Judy, which is what you are so quick to call others. On October 16, 1998 at 12:00 a.m. in reference to Tony Nader and the gold, you said: That's what the news release said explicitly that the gold was to be used for. That's correct, that's what the press release says. And your point is...? On what basis do you call me anything but 100 percent accurate? ...you claim to only read movement publications -- specifically, the 11-page, 2,500 word press release in question -- in full when there's a good reason to do so, say if you've made a claim about something and you're challenged. But that's not the case because you read it in its entirety back in 1998... Say means for example in this context, Shemp. You can retract your disingenuous accusation now. An apology would be appropriate too. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Rama Lama Ding Ding Dong
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip A casino in Vegas... I rest my case. And a major New York City church, and a presidential candidate. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Rama Lama Ding Ding Dong
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip A casino in Vegas... I rest my case. And a major New York City church, Churches have always got away with marginal stuff such as bingo games and Las Vegas Nights because it is for a good cause and everyone looks the other way, both from a legal and credibility standpoint. and a presidential candidate. Dennis Kuchinich is a borderline Marxist nutcase who garnered very little support from the Democratic Party grassroots during the presidential primaries...so there's no credibility there to speak of...and if there was ever something that would make that point more evident to the mainstream there's that wee little fact that he actually got endorsed by John Hagelin! Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Rama Lama Ding Ding Dong
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip A casino in Vegas... I rest my case. And a major New York City church, Churches have always got away with marginal stuff such as bingo games and Las Vegas Nights because it is for a good cause and everyone looks the other way, both from a legal and credibility standpoint. and a presidential candidate. Dennis Kuchinich is a borderline Marxist nutcase who garnered very little support from the Democratic Party grassroots during the presidential primaries...so there's no credibility there to speak of...and if there was ever something that would make that point more evident to the mainstream there's that wee little fact that he actually got endorsed by John Hagelin! You're missing the point. Never mind. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Rama Lama Ding Ding Dong
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Jeff Fischer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Congratulations, Jeff. Once again you've found a way to make me the bad guy. Sorry. Not my intention. I'll go back to keeping my observations to myself as they obviously are counterproductive for you. It's not just you. It's been a trend here for awhile now. And it doesn't do *me* any harm. I'm just pointing it out. I think it's amusing. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Rama Lama Ding Ding Dong
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip A casino in Vegas... I rest my case. And a major New York City church, Churches have always got away with marginal stuff such as bingo games and Las Vegas Nights because it is for a good cause and everyone looks the other way, both from a legal and credibility standpoint. and a presidential candidate. Dennis Kuchinich is a borderline Marxist nutcase who garnered very little support from the Democratic Party grassroots during the presidential primaries...so there's no credibility there to speak of...and if there was ever something that would make that point more evident to the mainstream there's that wee little fact that he actually got endorsed by John Hagelin! You're missing the point. Never mind. Okay, Emily Litella. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Rama Lama Ding Ding Dong
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Jeff Fischer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Congratulations, Jeff. Once again you've found a way to make me the bad guy. Sorry. Not my intention. I'll go back to keeping my observations to myself as they obviously are counterproductive for you. It's not just you. It's been a trend here for awhile now. And it doesn't do *me* any harm. I'm just pointing it out. I think it's amusing. If you thought it amusing then you wouldn't have gone out of your way to point out in the paranoid, I'm-the-victim, why-is-everyone persecuting-me tone that you did that you thought you were being singled out as the bad guy. Instead, you would have just laughed and maybe put a -) beside his comment and moved on... Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Rama Lama Ding Ding Dong
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Jeff Fischer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Congratulations, Jeff. Once again you've found a way to make me the bad guy. Sorry. Not my intention. I'll go back to keeping my observations to myself as they obviously are counterproductive for you. It's not just you. It's been a trend here for awhile now. And it doesn't do *me* any harm. I'm just pointing it out. I think it's amusing. If you thought it amusing then you wouldn't have gone out of your way to point out in the paranoid, I'm-the-victim, why-is-everyone persecuting-me tone that you did that you thought you were being singled out as the bad guy. You sure are reading a lot into my words. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Rama Lama Ding Ding Dong
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Jeff Fischer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Congratulations, Jeff. Once again you've found a way to make me the bad guy. Sorry. Not my intention. I'll go back to keeping my observations to myself as they obviously are counterproductive for you. It's not just you. It's been a trend here for awhile now. And it doesn't do *me* any harm. I'm just pointing it out. I think it's amusing. If you thought it amusing then you wouldn't have gone out of your way to point out in the paranoid, I'm-the-victim, why-is- everyone persecuting-me tone that you did that you thought you were being singled out as the bad guy. You sure are reading a lot into my words. I don't think I am but we'll let the readers on this forum decide for themselves... Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Rama Lama Ding Ding Dong
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: He's willing to wear the crown with a smile, even though he's certain to know how silly he looks. What's not to like? It's funny how different people think. We're talking about the person who is supposed to take over a tradition that teaches enlightenment, and supposedly safeguard it and keep it viable into the future. And, we're theoretically talking about someone with advanced degrees and experience in the real world, someone who supposedly has some idea of how people out there in the world think. So when Maharishi comes to him and says, Here's what I want to do. I want to declare a world gov- ernment that won't really exist, and make you king of it, and have you go around everywhere wearing robes and a crown. That'll really enhance your credibility in the real world and enable you to more easily spread the message of enlightenment. And how does this person react? No problem, Maharishi...bring on the crown. Whatever you want, Master. And you feel this makes him likeable? Go figure. Me, if what I were looking for was someone who stood a chance of salvaging *any* respect from Maharishi's folly years, what I would have been looking for is the person who said instead, Maharishi, I appreciate the offer, but if I'm going to take over this organization, I have to do it my way. So trash the silly world goverment idea...that's ludicrous and will only cause people to laugh at you. Ditto the crown and robes. Now let's talk practicality...let me tell you a little about this world you haven't really ever interacted with in your entire life. At the end of the talk, *then* you can decide if you want to leave me in charge or not. Sounds like how Deepak would have reacted. But that's just me... Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Rama Lama Ding Ding Dong
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Cliff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Not just you. I have exactly the same reaction. Any westerner who puts on that crown has just removed themselves from any possibility of being taken seriously on this planet. That's it exactly. And anyone who says Yes to the idea, out of a mistaken sense of loyalty to the teacher who proposes it, is IMO doing a disservice both to the teacher and to that which he teaches. So the teacher MUST be wrong when he asks you to do an apparently SILLY thing? They may feel wonderfully pious, and there may be some benefit in being a complete idiot in terms of humbling of ego, but for sure they aren't going to lead any type of Spiritual Regeneration of humanity. Maharishi himself always said that you have to appeal to people at the level they currently are. He forced me (and many of the rest of us, I'm sure) to shave off beards and put on ties so we would fit in with our culture. Remember? I laugh when I think how he would have reacted had we shown up to TTC in Majorca or La Antilla with crowns and robes!! :-) Indeed. I had to cut about a foot and and half off my hair length to be accepted to TTC. :-) I've got it!!! Halloween is coming up... My mischievous mind is creating all sorts of fantasies... We should have a wild party where EVERYONE has to be in crowns and robes. And masks, of course - pretty much everyone fulltime in the TMO has on a mask all the time, so that's appropriate... What's really sad is that they don't realize the mask is even there, and that they as individuals have long ago disappeared. Perceptive, and sadly true. Maybe we can have a Raja-look-alike contest? Maybe a sexiest-robe contest? Although we would have to admit women for that contest to be much fun, and there aren't any Movement precedents for that... :-) I'd go for that. Some of the rajas even have beards these days, so I could try to pass as one of them... Unc --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: He's willing to wear the crown with a smile, even though he's certain to know how silly he looks. What's not to like? It's funny how different people think. We're talking about the person who is supposed to take over a tradition that teaches enlightenment, and supposedly safeguard it and keep it viable into the future. And, we're theoretically talking about someone with advanced degrees and experience in the real world, someone who supposedly has some idea of how people out there in the world think. So when Maharishi comes to him and says, Here's what I want to do. I want to declare a world gov- ernment that won't really exist, and make you king of it, and have you go around everywhere wearing robes and a crown. That'll really enhance your credibility in the real world and enable you to more easily spread the message of enlightenment. And how does this person react? No problem, Maharishi...bring on the crown. Whatever you want, Master. And you feel this makes him likeable? Go figure. Me, if what I were looking for was someone who stood a chance of salvaging *any* respect from Maharishi's folly years, what I would have been looking for is the person who said instead, Maharishi, I appreciate the offer, but if I'm going to take over this organization, I have to do it my way. So trash the silly world goverment idea...that's ludicrous and will only cause people to laugh at you. Ditto the crown and robes. Now let's talk practicality...let me tell you a little about this world you haven't really ever interacted with in your entire life. At the end of the talk, *then* you can decide if you want to leave me in charge or not. But that's just me... Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Rama Lama Ding Ding Dong
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Cliff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Not just you. I have exactly the same reaction. Any westerner who puts on that crown has just removed themselves from any possibility of being taken seriously on this planet. That's it exactly. And anyone who says Yes to the idea, out of a mistaken sense of loyalty to the teacher who proposes it, is IMO doing a disservice both to the teacher and to that which he teaches. So the teacher MUST be wrong when he asks you to do an apparently SILLY thing? No, it is the student who MUST be wrong if when asked to do an apparently SILLY thing he does it. They may feel wonderfully pious, and there may be some benefit in being a complete idiot in terms of humbling of ego, but for sure they aren't going to lead any type of Spiritual Regeneration of humanity. Maharishi himself always said that you have to appeal to people at the level they currently are. He forced me (and many of the rest of us, I'm sure) to shave off beards and put on ties so we would fit in with our culture. Remember? I laugh when I think how he would have reacted had we shown up to TTC in Majorca or La Antilla with crowns and robes!! :-) Indeed. I had to cut about a foot and and half off my hair length to be accepted to TTC. :-) I've got it!!! Halloween is coming up... My mischievous mind is creating all sorts of fantasies... We should have a wild party where EVERYONE has to be in crowns and robes. And masks, of course - pretty much everyone fulltime in the TMO has on a mask all the time, so that's appropriate... What's really sad is that they don't realize the mask is even there, and that they as individuals have long ago disappeared. Perceptive, and sadly true. Maybe we can have a Raja-look-alike contest? Maybe a sexiest-robe contest? Although we would have to admit women for that contest to be much fun, and there aren't any Movement precedents for that... :-) I'd go for that. Some of the rajas even have beards these days, so I could try to pass as one of them... Unc --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: He's willing to wear the crown with a smile, even though he's certain to know how silly he looks. What's not to like? It's funny how different people think. We're talking about the person who is supposed to take over a tradition that teaches enlightenment, and supposedly safeguard it and keep it viable into the future. And, we're theoretically talking about someone with advanced degrees and experience in the real world, someone who supposedly has some idea of how people out there in the world think. So when Maharishi comes to him and says, Here's what I want to do. I want to declare a world gov- ernment that won't really exist, and make you king of it, and have you go around everywhere wearing robes and a crown. That'll really enhance your credibility in the real world and enable you to more easily spread the message of enlightenment. And how does this person react? No problem, Maharishi...bring on the crown. Whatever you want, Master. And you feel this makes him likeable? Go figure. Me, if what I were looking for was someone who stood a chance of salvaging *any* respect from Maharishi's folly years, what I would have been looking for is the person who said instead, Maharishi, I appreciate the offer, but if I'm going to take over this organization, I have to do it my way. So trash the silly world goverment idea...that's ludicrous and will only cause people to laugh at you. Ditto the crown and robes. Now let's talk practicality...let me tell you a little about this world you haven't really ever interacted with in your entire life. At the end of the talk, *then* you can decide if you want to leave me in charge or not. But that's just me... Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL
[FairfieldLife] Re: Rama Lama Ding Ding Dong
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Cliff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Not just you. I have exactly the same reaction. Any westerner who puts on that crown has just removed themselves from any possibility of being taken seriously on this planet. That's it exactly. And anyone who says Yes to the idea, out of a mistaken sense of loyalty to the teacher who proposes it, is IMO doing a disservice both to the teacher and to that which he teaches. So the teacher MUST be wrong when he asks you to do an apparently SILLY thing? Not necessarily, but if *you* know it to be silly and feel in your heart that it's the wrong thing to do, and do it anyway out of a sense of loyalty to the teacher, then yes, it's wrong. That's what leads me to write off Tony Nader. He always seemed to have too much on the ball to really believe that this silly world government and king stuff was good for the movement in the long run, and he went along with it anyway. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Rama Lama Ding Ding Dong
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Cliff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Not just you. I have exactly the same reaction. Any westerner who puts on that crown has just removed themselves from any possibility of being taken seriously on this planet. That's it exactly. And anyone who says Yes to the idea, out of a mistaken sense of loyalty to the teacher who proposes it, is IMO doing a disservice both to the teacher and to that which he teaches. So the teacher MUST be wrong when he asks you to do an apparently SILLY thing? Not necessarily, but if *you* know it to be silly and feel in your heart that it's the wrong thing to do, and do it anyway out of a sense of loyalty to the teacher, then yes, it's wrong. That's what leads me to write off Tony Nader. He always seemed to have too much on the ball to really believe that this silly world government and king stuff was good for the movement in the long run, and he went along with it anyway. Perhaps he sees it as a test, or as silliness that must be endured, or simply asthe last whim of his master, who should be honored? Or perhaps he sees something more (or less) than the rest of us? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Rama Lama Ding Ding Dong
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Cliff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Not just you. I have exactly the same reaction. Any westerner who puts on that crown has just removed themselves from any possibility of being taken seriously on this planet. That's it exactly. And anyone who says Yes to the idea, out of a mistaken sense of loyalty to the teacher who proposes it, is IMO doing a disservice both to the teacher and to that which he teaches. So the teacher MUST be wrong when he asks you to do an apparently SILLY thing? Not necessarily, but if *you* know it to be silly and feel in your heart that it's the wrong thing to do, and do it anyway out of a sense of loyalty to the teacher, then yes, it's wrong. That's what leads me to write off Tony Nader. He always seemed to have too much on the ball to really believe that this silly world government and king stuff was good for the movement in the long run, and he went along with it anyway. Perhaps he sees it as a test, or as silliness that must be endured, or simply asthe last whim of his master, who should be honored? Or perhaps he sees something more (or less) than the rest of us? No, no, no. No way. Tony Nader can't *possibly* have as clear a perspective or as much insight into what he's doing as we have right here on this forum. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Rama Lama Ding Ding Dong
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Kenny H [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What is the prevailing thought around FF and beyond regarding King Rama Lama Ding Ding Dong? I have no idea what the prevailing thought is, other than that people on this forum don't seem to think much of him. I have three observations that encompass everything I know about King Tony: 1. I'm fascinated by how little anybody seems to know about him, at least here and on alt.m.t. 2. I read one of his addresses on the knowledge that I found *very* impressive for its clarity in discussing a fairly complicated point. 3. When I looked through the photos that have been posted of the celebration at which the Rajas were installed, I was struck by the fact that in every single photo of him interacting with anybody--and there were dozens--he had a dazzlingly radiant smile. I found this impressive because he was going through umpty identical installation ceremonies over several days, and you'd think the smile would have worn thin after a while. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Rama Lama Ding Ding Dong
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 3. When I looked through the photos that have been posted of the celebration at which the Rajas were installed, I was struck by the fact that in every single photo of him interacting with anybody--and there were dozens--he had a dazzlingly radiant smile. I found this impressive because he was going through umpty identical installation ceremonies over several days, and you'd think the smile would have worn thin after a while. Maybe he is a hologram Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Rama Lama Ding Ding Dong
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Kenny H [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 3. When I looked through the photos that have been posted of the celebration at which the Rajas were installed, I was struck by the fact that in every single photo of him interacting with anybody--and there were dozens--he had a dazzlingly radiant smile. I found this impressive because he was going through umpty identical installation ceremonies over several days, and you'd think the smile would have worn thin after a while. Maybe he is a hologram Really not. Take a look. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Rama Lama Ding Ding Dong
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: and you'd think the smile would have worn thin after a while. ...the smile would have worn thin after a while. Whoa! English is such a cool language! Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Rama Lama Ding Ding Dong
Android, perhaps? I remember Data smiling all the time on Star Trek - Next Generation episodes, even when smiting Klingons or Borg or whoever was being smitten at the time. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Kenny H [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 3. When I looked through the photos that have been posted of the celebration at which the Rajas were installed, I was struck by the fact that in every single photo of him interacting with anybody--and there were dozens--he had a dazzlingly radiant smile. I found this impressive because he was going through umpty identical installation ceremonies over several days, and you'd think the smile would have worn thin after a while. Maybe he is a hologram Really not. Take a look. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Rama Lama Ding Ding Dong
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: and you'd think the smile would have worn thin after a while. ...the smile would have worn thin after a while. Whoa! English is such a cool language! I wish I could hear it with your ears! Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Rama Lama Ding Ding Dong
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: and you'd think the smile would have worn thin after a while. ...the smile would have worn thin after a while. Whoa! English is such a cool language! I wish I could hear it with your ears! Hmmm... perhaps the diphthongs(?) in 'smile' and 'while' are more articulate in my head... :? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Rama Lama Ding Ding Dong
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Cliff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Android, perhaps? I remember Data smiling all the time on Star Trek - Next Generation episodes, even when smiting Klingons or Borg or whoever was being smitten at the time. Wow, he isn't even allowed to have a genuinely warm smile. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Kenny H [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 3. When I looked through the photos that have been posted of the celebration at which the Rajas were installed, I was struck by the fact that in every single photo of him interacting with anybody--and there were dozens--he had a dazzlingly radiant smile. I found this impressive because he was going through umpty identical installation ceremonies over several days, and you'd think the smile would have worn thin after a while. Maybe he is a hologram Really not. Take a look. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Rama Lama Ding Ding Dong
--- cardemaister [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: and you'd think the smile would have worn thin after a while. ...the smile would have worn thin after a while. Whoa! English is such a cool language! Can you say that in Finish, or does the metaphoric usage breakdown (can you say what I just said in Finish?)? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links [EMAIL PROTECTED] Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
