[FairfieldLife] Re: S U P E R BLOG/ CLIP ON TM

2012-06-13 Thread Richard J. Williams
Vaj: You seem to have missed the salient point here Lawson... You seem to have missed the salient point here, Vaj. MMY got the TM bija mantras came from Guru Dev, who was a member of the Dasanami Order of the Saraswati Dandi sannyasins, founded by the Adi Shankara. Guru Dev's

[FairfieldLife] Re: S U P E R BLOG/ CLIP ON TM

2012-06-10 Thread Jason
On Jun 9, 2012, at 5:02 PM, sparaig wrote: Me thinks someone needs to read a bit more. THere were two claimants to Jyotirmath after Gurudev died: his nephew, named in Gurudev's will and a guy hand-picked by the conclave of punduts scholars and priests who had

[FairfieldLife] Re: S U P E R BLOG/ CLIP ON TM

2012-06-10 Thread iranitea
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Richard J. Williams richard@... wrote: So Willy why haven't we gotten this information from the TMorg? Vaj: Because Willy is distorting the Transcendental Meditation tradition by making up fantasies. You are mistaken: the primary

[FairfieldLife] Re: S U P E R BLOG/ CLIP ON TM

2012-06-10 Thread Jason
Could it be that I am getting old and my memory is failing me? You certainly sounded like you're justifing it. --beyond the bounds of what is expected, usual, normal, or appropriate There's also the Crazy Wisdom tradition, as you most likely know; and the Advahuts zarzari talks

[FairfieldLife] Re: S U P E R BLOG/ CLIP ON TM

2012-06-10 Thread iranitea
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Jason jedi_spock@ wrote: This is interesting. You actually justified Ravi's cranky behaviour as 'crazy wisdom' and 'holy madness'. I did no such thing. Yes you did. Man,

[FairfieldLife] Re: S U P E R BLOG/ CLIP ON TM

2012-06-10 Thread Richard J. Williams
Because Willy is distorting the Transcendental Meditation tradition by making up fantasies. You are mistaken: the primary scripture of the Sri Vidya Tradition is the 'Soundarya Lahari' which was composed by the Adi Shankara. iranitea: Well, you should know that in all

[FairfieldLife] Re: S U P E R BLOG/ CLIP ON TM

2012-06-10 Thread Richard J. Williams
Gurudev's nephew supported MMY. Vaj: You seem to have missed the salient point here Lawson... You seem to have missed the salient point here, Vaj. MMY got the TM bija mantras came from Guru Dev, who was a member of the Dasanami Order of the Saraswati Dandi sannyasins, founded by the

[FairfieldLife] Re: S U P E R BLOG/ CLIP ON TM

2012-06-10 Thread Richard J. Williams
The 'conclave picked guy' is the linear successor. sparaig: Not according to Gurudev's will. Only the lineage of Vasudevananda (through Santananda) can be traced directly to Brahmananda, without any interruptions. - Vidyasankar Sundaresan

[FairfieldLife] Re: S U P E R BLOG/ CLIP ON TM

2012-06-10 Thread nablusoss1008
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@... wrote: On Jun 9, 2012, at 9:32 PM, sparaig wrote: You'll notice that MMY is NOT directly below Gurudev, but to the left and he is standing, not sitting, like nearly everyone else is. The original painting did NOT have

[FairfieldLife] Re: S U P E R BLOG/ CLIP ON TM

2012-06-10 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig LEnglish5@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Jason jedi_spock@ wrote: On Jun 9, 2012, at 5:02 PM, sparaig wrote: Me thinks someone needs to

[FairfieldLife] Re: S U P E R BLOG/ CLIP ON TM

2012-06-10 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, iranitea no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Jason jedi_spock@ wrote: This is interesting. You actually justified Ravi's cranky behaviour as 'crazy wisdom'

[FairfieldLife] Re: S U P E R BLOG/ CLIP ON TM

2012-06-10 Thread Jason
--- Jason jedi_spock@ wrote: Could it be that I am getting old and my memory is failing me? You certainly sounded like you're justifing it. --beyond the bounds of what is expected, usual, normal, or appropriate There's also the Crazy Wisdom tradition, as you most

[FairfieldLife] Re: S U P E R BLOG/ CLIP ON TM

2012-06-10 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Jason jedi_spock@... wrote: --- Jason jedi_spock@ wrote: Could it be that I am getting old and my memory is failing me? You certainly sounded like you're justifing it. --beyond the bounds of what is expected, usual, normal,

[FairfieldLife] Re: S U P E R BLOG/ CLIP ON TM

2012-06-10 Thread Xenophaneros Anartaxius
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, iranitea no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Jason jedi_spock@ wrote: This is interesting. You actually justified Ravi's cranky behaviour as 'crazy wisdom' and 'holy

[FairfieldLife] Re: S U P E R BLOG/ CLIP ON TM

2012-06-10 Thread Jason
--- Jason jedi_spock@ wrote: Could it be that I am getting old and my memory is failing me? You certainly sounded like you're justifing it. --beyond the bounds of what is expected, usual, normal, or appropriate There's also the Crazy Wisdom

[FairfieldLife] Re: S U P E R BLOG/ CLIP ON TM

2012-06-10 Thread iranitea
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Jason jedi_spock@... wrote: (Judy:) And finally, to go back to the beginning, Ravi's cranky behavor and iranitea's claim that my expressing doubt about his notion of the TMO increasing the number of mantras so as to obscure and deceive the public

[FairfieldLife] Re: S U P E R BLOG/ CLIP ON TM

2012-06-10 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, iranitea no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Jason jedi_spock@ wrote: (Judy:) And finally, to go back to the beginning, Ravi's cranky behavor and iranitea's claim that my expressing doubt about his notion of the TMO

[FairfieldLife] Re: S U P E R BLOG/ CLIP ON TM

2012-06-10 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Jason jedi_spock@... wrote: snip [I wrote:] Ravi enjoyed taking crude potshots at people just for the fun of it, to shock them. Sometimes, your semantics does confuse me. What confuses you about what I wrote? Are you sure he was taking crude

[FairfieldLife] Re: S U P E R BLOG/ CLIP ON TM

2012-06-10 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Xenophaneros Anartaxius anartaxius@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, iranitea no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Jason jedi_spock@ wrote: This is

[FairfieldLife] Re: S U P E R BLOG/ CLIP ON TM

2012-06-09 Thread iranitea
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, iranitea no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, iranitea no_reply@ wrote: Why is it

[FairfieldLife] Re: S U P E R BLOG/ CLIP ON TM

2012-06-09 Thread iranitea
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, iranitea no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, iranitea no_reply@ wrote: --- In

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: S U P E R BLOG/ CLIP ON TM

2012-06-09 Thread Vaj
On Jun 9, 2012, at 7:28 AM, iranitea no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: Now, that is a classic answer. AVOID any answer, keep a back door open so that nobody thinks you are in denial, give it a negative taint, so that TBB's are not disappointed. Avoid the answers and quibble over

[FairfieldLife] Re: S U P E R BLOG/ CLIP ON TM

2012-06-09 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, iranitea no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, iranitea no_reply@ wrote: snip The point is that there are teachers, who still teach in this way, they are

[FairfieldLife] Re: S U P E R BLOG/ CLIP ON TM

2012-06-09 Thread Jason
This is interesting. You actually justified Ravi's cranky behaviour as 'crazy wisdom' and 'holy madness'. Where was your objectivity then? --- authfriend jstein@... wrote: You want to rethink your claim that you don't engage in mind-reading? Yes, I have a pro-TM bias, I've never

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: S U P E R BLOG/ CLIP ON TM

2012-06-09 Thread Vaj
On Jun 9, 2012, at 10:53 AM, wgm4u wrote: So Willy why haven't we gotten this information from the TMorg? Because Willy is distorting the Transcendental Meditation tradition by making up fantasies.

[FairfieldLife] Re: S U P E R BLOG/ CLIP ON TM

2012-06-09 Thread turquoiseb
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@... wrote: On Jun 9, 2012, at 10:53 AM, wgm4u wrote: So Willy why haven't we gotten this information from the TMorg? Because Willy is distorting the Transcendental Meditation tradition by making up fantasies. For what should be

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: S U P E R BLOG/ CLIP ON TM

2012-06-09 Thread Vaj
On Jun 9, 2012, at 10:33 AM, Richard J. Williams wrote: iranitea: Even though many TM teachers would subscribe to such a view, as they believe, that the power of the mantra comes through the holy tradition and more specifically GD... All the TM bija mantras come directly from GD

[FairfieldLife] Re: S U P E R BLOG/ CLIP ON TM

2012-06-09 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Jason jedi_spock@... wrote: This is interesting. You actually justified Ravi's cranky behaviour as 'crazy wisdom' and 'holy madness'. I did no such thing. Man, can't anybody on this forum *read English*?? In fact, I *castigated* him for his cranky

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: S U P E R BLOG/ CLIP ON TM

2012-06-09 Thread Vaj
It’s been long known that Judy is a TM TB, but not a TMO TB in some matters. Judy’s also a known dTMer, a practitioner of a discursive variant of actual TM. This happens when TMers do take TM “to heart” but are so dogmatically entrenched they cannot take it “to spirit”. She also tried to

[FairfieldLife] Re: S U P E R BLOG/ CLIP ON TM

2012-06-09 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@... wrote: On Jun 9, 2012, at 7:28 AM, iranitea wrote: The bija mantra isn't a Sanskrit word. It is, it is a Sanskrit letter, it is intricately connected with the way Sanskrit letters are written. It’s both a Sanskrit

[FairfieldLife] Re: S U P E R BLOG/ CLIP ON TM

2012-06-09 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@... wrote: snip She also tried to cuddle up to Robin Woodsworth Carlsen, who considered her a demonic TMer. Actually Vaj made the mistake of thinking a playfully ironic exchange between me and Robin was dead serious. Most others here

[FairfieldLife] Re: S U P E R BLOG/ CLIP ON TM

2012-06-09 Thread Robert
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@... wrote: On Jun 9, 2012, at 10:33 AM, Richard J. Williams wrote: iranitea: Even though many TM teachers would subscribe to such a view, as they believe, that the power of the mantra comes through the holy tradition and

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: S U P E R BLOG/ CLIP ON TM

2012-06-09 Thread Vaj
On Jun 9, 2012, at 2:53 PM, Robert wrote: To say there is 'no lineal succession' between Maharishi Mahesh Yogi, and Swami Brahmananda Saraswati, is simply and utterly ridiculous!~ As you are well aware, Maharishi was with Guru Dev, straight out of college, and remained with him until his

[FairfieldLife] Re: S U P E R BLOG/ CLIP ON TM

2012-06-09 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@... wrote: On Jun 9, 2012, at 2:53 PM, Robert wrote: To say there is 'no lineal succession' between Maharishi Mahesh Yogi, and Swami Brahmananda Saraswati, is simply and utterly ridiculous!~ As you are well aware, Maharishi was

[FairfieldLife] Re: S U P E R BLOG/ CLIP ON TM

2012-06-09 Thread nablusoss1008
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@... wrote: On Jun 9, 2012, at 5:02 PM, sparaig wrote: Me thinks someone needs to read a bit more. THere were two claimants to Jyotirmath after Gurudev died: his nephew, named in Gurudev's will and a guy hand-picked by the

[FairfieldLife] Re: S U P E R BLOG/ CLIP ON TM

2012-06-09 Thread Richard J. Williams
wgm4u: So Willy why haven't we gotten this information from the TMorg? You'd have to ask them, I guess, but the facts are the facts. Where do you think MMY got the TM bija mantras? Didn't he say he got all his teaching from his master, GD? All the Saraswati sanyasins meditate on the bija of

[FairfieldLife] Re: S U P E R BLOG/ CLIP ON TM

2012-06-09 Thread Richard J. Williams
So Willy why haven't we gotten this information from the TMorg? Vaj: Because Willy is distorting the Transcendental Meditation tradition by making up fantasies. You are mistaken: the primary scripture of the Sri Vidya Tradition is the 'Soundarya Lahari' which was composed by the

[FairfieldLife] Re: S U P E R BLOG/ CLIP ON TM

2012-06-09 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@... wrote: On Jun 9, 2012, at 5:02 PM, sparaig wrote: Me thinks someone needs to read a bit more. THere were two claimants to Jyotirmath after Gurudev died: his nephew, named in Gurudev's will and a guy hand-picked by the

[FairfieldLife] Re: S U P E R BLOG/ CLIP ON TM

2012-06-08 Thread iranitea
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@... wrote: Here's a question for you -- if I (trained as a TM teacher by Maharishi) were to teach someone to meditate and teach them according to the exact instructions he told me to impart to students, but changed only one thing

[FairfieldLife] Re: S U P E R BLOG/ CLIP ON TM

2012-06-08 Thread iranitea
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@... wrote: Barry's lying. I responded to that question. The response included pointing out that the question itself was designed to mislead. The TMO charges high fees in wealthy countries and low or no fees in poor ones. So, is India a

[FairfieldLife] Re: S U P E R BLOG/ CLIP ON TM

2012-06-08 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, iranitea no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: Here's a question for you -- if I (trained as a TM teacher by Maharishi) were to teach someone to meditate and teach them according to the exact

[FairfieldLife] Re: S U P E R BLOG/ CLIP ON TM

2012-06-08 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, iranitea no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: Barry's lying. I responded to that question. The response included pointing out that the question itself was designed to mislead. The TMO charges high

[FairfieldLife] Re: S U P E R BLOG/ CLIP ON TM

2012-06-08 Thread iranitea
Why is it 'incorrect' if you say something wrong, deceptive but a blatant lie if Barry does so? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, iranitea no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@

[FairfieldLife] Re: S U P E R BLOG/ CLIP ON TM

2012-06-08 Thread iranitea
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, iranitea no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: Barry's lying. I responded to that question. The response included pointing out that the

[FairfieldLife] Re: S U P E R BLOG/ CLIP ON TM

2012-06-08 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, iranitea no_reply@... wrote: Why is it 'incorrect' if you say something wrong, deceptive but a blatant lie if Barry does so? I don't say things with the intention to deceive, first of all, although I may say something wrong inadvertently. Second, not

[FairfieldLife] Re: S U P E R BLOG/ CLIP ON TM

2012-06-08 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, iranitea no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, iranitea no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: Barry's lying. I

[FairfieldLife] Re: S U P E R BLOG/ CLIP ON TM

2012-06-08 Thread iranitea
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@... wrote: So, is India a poor country or a wealthy one? Do you feel that the following rates have been subsidised by the west?These fees may not sound to be much if converting Rupees to Dollars, but they still are a lot

[FairfieldLife] Re: S U P E R BLOG/ CLIP ON TM

2012-06-08 Thread iranitea
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, iranitea no_reply@ wrote: Why is it 'incorrect' if you say something wrong, deceptive but a blatant lie if Barry does so? I don't say things with the intention to deceive, first of

[FairfieldLife] Re: S U P E R BLOG/ CLIP ON TM

2012-06-08 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, iranitea no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: So, is India a poor country or a wealthy one? Do you feel that the following rates have been subsidised by the west?These fees may not sound to be

[FairfieldLife] Re: S U P E R BLOG/ CLIP ON TM

2012-06-08 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, iranitea no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, iranitea no_reply@ wrote: Why is it 'incorrect' if you say something wrong, deceptive but a blatant lie if

[FairfieldLife] Re: S U P E R BLOG/ CLIP ON TM

2012-06-05 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Xenophaneros Anartaxius anartaxius@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Susan wayback71@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Xenophaneros Anartaxius anartaxius@

[FairfieldLife] Re: S U P E R BLOG/ CLIP ON TM

2012-06-05 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Xenophaneros Anartaxius anartaxius@ wrote: snip If you leave rotten meat in the kitchen, the roaches will come to feed. Excellent insight. Although I might have given you a

[FairfieldLife] Re: S U P E R BLOG/ CLIP ON TM

2012-06-05 Thread sparaig
While I too never got certified as a checker, I DID take the notes. I have also sat in on about a half-dozen 3 days checking classes with new meditators, so I have a pretty good idea what goes on during the 3 days checking. I also took the SCI class and I've peeked at some of the teacher

[FairfieldLife] Re: S U P E R BLOG/ CLIP ON TM

2012-06-05 Thread turquoiseb
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig LEnglish5@... wrote: While I too never got certified as a checker, I DID take the notes. Good for you. Then you know that it's your classic, memorized expert system, designed to provide a memorized answer we have already prepared to the most

[FairfieldLife] Re: S U P E R BLOG/ CLIP ON TM

2012-06-05 Thread nablusoss1008
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote: This is the part where Judy roars in and tells us all how much of a liar I am and how much she really knows about TM and what Maharishi was really thinking when he said such-and-such. Wait for it... :-) HaHa, you are

[FairfieldLife] Re: S U P E R BLOG/ CLIP ON TM

2012-06-05 Thread nablusoss1008
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@... wrote: Nope, bogus analogy. Barry throws out the rotten meat on FFL and then feeds on it himself. And you've joined him for the disgusting meal. Inexcusable. I'm not the only one who has noticed that the Turq has become more

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: S U P E R BLOG/ CLIP ON TM

2012-06-05 Thread Vaj
On Jun 5, 2012, at 3:06 AM, sparaig wrote: While I too never got certified as a checker, I DID take the notes. I have also sat in on about a half-dozen 3 days checking classes with new meditators, so I have a pretty good idea what goes on during the 3 days checking. I also took the SCI

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: S U P E R BLOG/ CLIP ON TM

2012-06-05 Thread Vaj
On Jun 5, 2012, at 3:32 AM, turquoiseb wrote: Here, on a.m.t., on Reddit, wherever, you have a history of wanting to be perceived as somewhat of an expert or an authority on TM. So does Judy. Neither of you are. Bingo. But boy you'd think they were THE experts on the topic.

[FairfieldLife] Re: S U P E R BLOG/ CLIP ON TM

2012-06-05 Thread turquoiseb
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@... wrote: On Jun 5, 2012, at 3:06 AM, sparaig wrote: While I too never got certified as a checker, I DID take the notes. I have also sat in on about a half-dozen 3 days checking classes with new meditators, so I have a pretty

[FairfieldLife] Re: S U P E R BLOG/ CLIP ON TM

2012-06-05 Thread Xenophaneros Anartaxius
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@... wrote [replying to turquoiseb]: You a[re] an example that proves having been a teacher means nothing, absolutely zero. You are one of those many fools who joined the Movement for all the wrong reasons and went along for the

[FairfieldLife] Re: S U P E R BLOG/ CLIP ON TM

2012-06-05 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig LEnglish5@ wrote: While I too never got certified as a checker, I DID take the notes. Good for you. Then you know that it's your classic, memorized expert system,

[FairfieldLife] Re: S U P E R BLOG/ CLIP ON TM

2012-06-05 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@ wrote: On Jun 5, 2012, at 3:06 AM, sparaig wrote: snip I CAN catch blatant BS, however. That's a rather specious claim considering you're the hardest core TM

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: S U P E R BLOG/ CLIP ON TM

2012-06-05 Thread Emily Reyn
disrespectful, at the very least. From: turquoiseb no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, June 4, 2012 10:45 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: S U P E R  BLOG/ CLIP ONTM --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Xenophaneros

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: S U P E R BLOG/ CLIP ON TM

2012-06-05 Thread Emily Reyn
: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: S U P E R BLOG/ CLIP ONTM   Barry Barry Barry - you stated your comments and opinions clearly at the front end of this conversation re: why meditators are separated, checking and the cost of TM.  Judy stated her experience and understanding clearly as well

[FairfieldLife] Re: S U P E R BLOG/ CLIP ON TM

2012-06-05 Thread Xenophaneros Anartaxius
@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, June 5, 2012 10:52 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: S U P E R BLOG/ CLIP ONTM   Barry Barry Barry - you stated your comments and opinions clearly at the front end of this conversation re: why meditators are separated, checking

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: S U P E R BLOG/ CLIP ON TM

2012-06-05 Thread Vaj
On Jun 5, 2012, at 7:58 AM, turquoiseb wrote: That's a rather specious claim considering you're the hardest core TM TB here. In Lawson's defense, I must disagree. I would confer that honor upon JohnR. I always got the feeling that John was part tongue in cheek - no one could be

[FairfieldLife] Re: S U P E R BLOG/ CLIP ON TM

2012-06-05 Thread authfriend
. From: Emily Reyn emilymae.reyn@ To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, June 5, 2012 10:52 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: S U P E R BLOG/ CLIP ONTM   Barry Barry Barry - you stated your comments and opinions clearly

[FairfieldLife] Re: S U P E R BLOG/ CLIP ON TM

2012-06-04 Thread turquoiseb
@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Cc: Sent: Sunday, June 3, 2012 11:38 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: S U P E R BLOG/ CLIP ONTM I don't actually think that mid to low-income families benefit more from TM than the above average-income families or the rich ?   I

[FairfieldLife] Re: S U P E R BLOG/ CLIP ON TM

2012-06-04 Thread cardemaister
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Emily Reyn emilymae.reyn@... wrote: p.s.  don't give me the people value what they pay for platitude.  That's complete superficial BS in my book.  People value their health, their relationships, nature, etc. when it get down to the bottom line in

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: S U P E R BLOG/ CLIP ON TM

2012-06-04 Thread Bhairitu
. From: authfriendjst...@panix.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, June 4, 2012 9:26 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: S U P E R BLOG/ CLIP ONTM Emily, you simply cannot trust anything Barry says about TM. He has no compunctions whatsoever about

[FairfieldLife] Re: S U P E R BLOG/ CLIP ON TM

2012-06-04 Thread Susan
- - Original Message - From: Emily Reyn emilymae.reyn@ To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Cc: Sent: Sunday, June 3, 2012 11:38 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: S U P E R BLOG/ CLIP ON TM I don't actually think that mid to low-income families

[FairfieldLife] Re: S U P E R BLOG/ CLIP ON TM

2012-06-04 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Susan wayback71@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Xenophaneros Anartaxius anartaxius@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote: snip Then again, the two TM parrots who have chimed in on this

[FairfieldLife] Re: S U P E R BLOG/ CLIP ON TM

2012-06-04 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Xenophaneros Anartaxius anartaxius@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote: snip Then again, the two TM parrots who have chimed in on this (authfriend and sparaig) were never TM teachers. They have *no idea* what

[FairfieldLife] Re: S U P E R BLOG/ CLIP ON TM

2012-06-04 Thread Xenophaneros Anartaxius
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Susan wayback71@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Xenophaneros Anartaxius anartaxius@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote: snip Then

[FairfieldLife] Re: S U P E R BLOG/ CLIP ON TM

2012-06-04 Thread turquoiseb
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Xenophaneros Anartaxius anartaxius@... wrote: Taking Barry to task for shortcomings in logic and history is fine, but if you have strong reaction to this probing of his, your own shortcomings are taking the bait. Barry is like a guy who comes into the

[FairfieldLife] Re: S U P E R BLOG/ CLIP ON TM

2012-06-03 Thread cardemaister
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, merlin vedamerlin@... wrote: ON THIS BLOG, THERE IS A REALLY  USEFULL GREAT CLIP JUST FROM A MEDITATOR ON TRANSCENDENTAL MEDITATION   ( TM ) ENJOY

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: S U P E R BLOG/ CLIP ON TM

2012-06-03 Thread Emily Reyn
) are exactly what I am looking for.  Mentions checking.  What is checking, exactly?   From: cardemaister no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, June 3, 2012 5:08 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: S U P E R BLOG/ CLIP ONTM

[FairfieldLife] Re: S U P E R BLOG/ CLIP ON TM

2012-06-03 Thread nablusoss1008
@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, June 3, 2012 5:08 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: S U P E R BLOG/ CLIP ONTM   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, merlin vedamerlin@ wrote: ON THIS BLOG, THERE IS A REALLY  USEFULL GREAT CLIP JUST FROM A MEDITATOR ON TRANSCENDENTAL

[FairfieldLife] Re: S U P E R BLOG/ CLIP ON TM

2012-06-03 Thread turquoiseb
Sent: Sunday, June 3, 2012 5:08 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: S U P E R BLOG/ CLIP ONTM --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, merlin vedamerlin@ wrote: ON THIS BLOG, THERE IS A REALLY  USEFULL GREAT CLIP JUST FROM A MEDITATOR ON TRANSCENDENTAL MEDITATION   ( TM

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: S U P E R BLOG/ CLIP ON TM

2012-06-03 Thread Emily Reyn
, such as mindfulness meditation.     From: turquoiseb no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, June 3, 2012 9:36 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: S U P E R BLOG/ CLIP ONTM   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Emily Reyn

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: S U P E R BLOG/ CLIP ON TM

2012-06-03 Thread Emily Reyn
Back to my questionwhat is checking? From: nablusoss1008 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, June 3, 2012 8:59 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: S U P E R BLOG/ CLIP ONTM   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com

[FairfieldLife] Re: S U P E R BLOG/ CLIP ON TM

2012-06-03 Thread raunchydog
, June 3, 2012 8:59 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: S U P E R BLOG/ CLIP ONTM   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Emily Reyn emilymae.reyn@ wrote: H.  $1500 offends my sensibilities Get a checking ! and my budget.  OTOH, I just looked up NSR and read the info

[FairfieldLife] Re: S U P E R BLOG/ CLIP ON TM

2012-06-03 Thread authfriend
Sent: Sunday, June 3, 2012 5:08 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: S U P E R BLOG/ CLIP ONTM   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, merlin vedamerlin@ wrote: ON THIS BLOG, THERE IS A REALLY  USEFULL GREAT CLIP JUST FROM A MEDITATOR ON TRANSCENDENTAL

[FairfieldLife] Re: S U P E R BLOG/ CLIP ON TM

2012-06-03 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Emily Reyn emilymae.reyn@ wrote: H. $1500 offends my sensibilities and my budget. Until recently, it was $2500. What amazes me more is that you've been here all these months

[FairfieldLife] Re: S U P E R BLOG/ CLIP ON TM

2012-06-03 Thread nablusoss1008
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Emily Reyn emilymae.reyn@... wrote: You must *not* read all my posts as I mentioned early on that I felt the cost was not in line with the philosophy - i.e. if this is a technique being promoted to solve the world's ills and help mankind, than it

[FairfieldLife] Re: S U P E R BLOG/ CLIP ON TM

2012-06-03 Thread nablusoss1008
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Emily Reyn emilymae.reyn@ wrote: H.  $1500 offends my sensibilities Get a checking ! Not

[FairfieldLife] Re: S U P E R BLOG/ CLIP ON TM

2012-06-03 Thread nablusoss1008
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Emily Reyn emilymae.reyn@ wrote: H. $1500 offends my sensibilities and my budget. Until recently, it was $2500. What amazes me more is that you've been here all these months

[FairfieldLife] Re: S U P E R BLOG/ CLIP ON TM

2012-06-03 Thread nablusoss1008
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Emily Reyn emilymae.reyn@ wrote: You must *not* read all my posts as I mentioned early on that I felt the cost was not in line with the philosophy - i.e. if this is a

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: S U P E R BLOG/ CLIP ON TM

2012-06-03 Thread Emily Reyn
@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, June 3, 2012 11:23 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: S U P E R  BLOG/ CLIP ONTM --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Emily Reyn emilymae.reyn@ wrote: You must *not* read all my posts as I

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: S U P E R BLOG/ CLIP ON TM

2012-06-03 Thread Emily Reyn
: Emily Reyn emilymae.r...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Cc: Sent: Sunday, June 3, 2012 11:38 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: S U P E R BLOG/ CLIP ONTM I don't actually think that mid to low-income families benefit more from TM than the above

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2012-06-03 Thread Bhairitu
? From: cardemaisterno_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, June 3, 2012 5:08 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: S U P E R BLOG/ CLIP ONTM --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, merlinvedamerlin@ wrote: ON THIS BLOG

[FairfieldLife] Re: S U P E R BLOG/ CLIP ON TM

2012-06-03 Thread turquoiseb
feel otherwise should probably address the con- cerns I raise above in their replies. Doncha think? From: cardemaisterno_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, June 3, 2012 5:08 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: S U P E R

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2012-06-03 Thread Vaj
On Jun 3, 2012, at 11:45 AM, Emily Reyn wrote: H. $1500 offends my sensibilities and my budget. OTOH, I just looked up NSR and read the info on the website. Started by a TM meditator. Intriguing really and $47. And it used to be free on the various torrent sites.

[FairfieldLife] Re: S U P E R BLOG/ CLIP ON TM

2012-06-03 Thread sparaig
: cardemaister no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, June 3, 2012 5:08 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: S U P E R BLOG/ CLIP ONTM   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, merlin vedamerlin@ wrote: ON THIS BLOG, THERE IS A REALLY  USEFULL

[FairfieldLife] Re: S U P E R BLOG/ CLIP ON TM

2012-06-03 Thread sparaig
Eh, they tried the nominal fee thing, and few people continued for 40 years. THey now teach TM for free in schools and prisons and halfway houses but the setting is such that they are encouraged to be regular. We'll see if the people who learned for free in a school setting continue to be

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: S U P E R BLOG/ CLIP ON TM

2012-06-03 Thread Vaj
On Jun 3, 2012, at 3:07 PM, Bhairitu wrote: The 7 Steps are there for indoctrination more than anything else. One thing found early on in independent TM research is that the mantra isn’t providing the signature relaxation response seen in TM - it’s the indoctrination and the expectation

[FairfieldLife] Re: S U P E R BLOG/ CLIP ON TM

2012-06-03 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@... wrote: On Jun 3, 2012, at 3:07 PM, Bhairitu wrote: The 7 Steps are there for indoctrination more than anything else. One thing found early on in independent TM research is that the mantra isn’t providing the signature

[FairfieldLife] Re: S U P E R BLOG/ CLIP ON TM

2012-06-03 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@... wrote: The BMs (Bliss Monkeys) will surely pile on and I see they already have. Well, no, you haven't seen that, Bhairitu. Nor has Barry, poor old sod, been able to sit back and watch the fireworks he so smugly predicted. You and he

[FairfieldLife] Re: S U P E R BLOG/ CLIP ON TM

2012-06-03 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote: snip And most here paid $35 to $75 to learn TM, but now have no problem justifying $2500, as long as it's other people who have to pay it. When's the last time you saw a TMer here justifying $2,500 to learn TM, Barry? snip

[FairfieldLife] Re: S U P E R BLOG/ CLIP ON TM

2012-06-03 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Emily Reyn emilymae.reyn@ wrote:

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