Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Spirituality and Psychosis

2014-08-11 Thread anartax...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
I have no problem with differing meditation systems having a consistent EEG pattern, and that very likely each system will have a different pattern. The question is what does that pattern mean in terms of experience and knowledge and living life. I like research, it can tell us a lot, but in

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Spirituality and Psychosis

2014-08-11 Thread lengli...@cox.net [FairfieldLife]
A few studies on Ch'an and Zen seen to show the same general pattern. On the other hand, other studies on CH'an and Zen don't. This goes along with the idea that teaching meditation is generally an art, and Maharishi's greatest accomplishment was to create technicians who could produce

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Spirituality and Psychosis

2014-08-11 Thread 'Richard J. Williams' pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife]
On 8/11/2014 8:27 AM, anartax...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: I have no problem with differing meditation systems having a consistent EEG pattern, and that very likely each system will have a different pattern. The question is what does that pattern mean in terms of experience and

[FairfieldLife] Re: Spirituality and Psychosis

2014-08-10 Thread lengli...@cox.net [FairfieldLife]
TM is different from most other forms of meditation in how the brain reacts to the practice. You can pontificate all you want, but measurable physical activity trumps philosophy every time, or so I believe. Here's a fine example of how far apart two practices can be, both of which are

[FairfieldLife] Re: Spirituality and Psychosis

2014-08-10 Thread awoelfleba...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anartaxius@... wrote : Meditation-Related Psychosis Almost all of us posting to Fairfield Life are practising TM or at some point practised TM. So we can conclude that the way we are now is in some way related to TM practice. We are the poster-child

[FairfieldLife] Re: Spirituality and Psychosis

2014-08-10 Thread awoelfleba...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anartaxius@... wrote : Meditation-Related Psychosis Almost all of us posting to Fairfield Life are practising TM or at some point practised TM. So we can conclude that the way we are now is in some way related to TM practice. We are the poster-child

[FairfieldLife] Re: Spirituality and Psychosis

2014-08-10 Thread srijau
scientific research has now shown that despite using this common term meditation in english, TM has little or nothing in common with the other technique which are widely used and studied today Comparison of Techniques - David W. Orme-Johnson, Ph.D.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Spirituality and Psychosis

2014-08-10 Thread Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife]
On 08/10/2014 08:39 AM, lengli...@cox.net [FairfieldLife] wrote: TM is different from most other forms of meditation in how the brain reacts to the practice. Saying this over and over again, Lawson, isn't going to make it true. /“If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Spirituality and Psychosis

2014-08-10 Thread Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
to ignore reality and claim that negative is positive that makes the TM world such a unique place for sure. From: sri...@ymail.com sri...@ymail.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, August 10, 2014 12:41 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Spirituality and Psychosis

2014-08-10 Thread 'Richard J. Williams' pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife]
On 08/10/2014 08:39 AM, lengli...@cox.net [FairfieldLife] wrote: TM is different from most other forms of meditation in how the brain reacts to the practice. Saying this over and over again, Lawson, isn't going to make it true. /“If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it,

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Spirituality and Psychosis

2014-08-10 Thread 'Richard J. Williams' pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife]
/meditation/art-20045858 *From:* sri...@ymail.com sri...@ymail.com *To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *Sent:* Sunday, August 10, 2014 12:41 PM *Subject:* [FairfieldLife] Re: Spirituality and Psychosis scientific research has now

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Spirituality and Psychosis

2014-08-10 Thread 'Richard J. Williams' pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife]
On 8/10/2014 10:39 AM, lengli...@cox.net [FairfieldLife] wrote: TM is different from most other forms of meditation in how the brain reacts to the practice. You can pontificate all you want, but measurable physical activity trumps philosophy every time, or so I believe. It's almost like

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Spirituality and Psychosis

2014-08-10 Thread Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
: Sunday, August 10, 2014 12:41 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Spirituality and Psychosis   scientific research has now shown that despite using this common term meditation in english, TM has little or nothing in common with the other technique which are widely used and studied today Comparison

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Spirituality and Psychosis

2014-08-10 Thread 'Richard J. Williams' pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife]
*Subject:* [FairfieldLife] Re: Spirituality and Psychosis scientific research has now shown that despite using this common term meditation in english, TM has little or nothing in common with the other technique which are widely used and studied today Comparison of Techniques - David W. Orme-Johnson

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Spirituality and Psychosis

2014-08-10 Thread Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife]
On 08/10/2014 10:03 AM, 'Richard J. Williams' pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: On 08/10/2014 08:39 AM, lengli...@cox.net [FairfieldLife] wrote: TM is different from most other forms of meditation in how the brain reacts to the practice. Saying this over and over again,

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Spirituality and Psychosis

2014-08-10 Thread 'Richard J. Williams' pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife]
On 8/10/2014 2:02 PM, Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife] wrote: On 08/10/2014 10:03 AM, 'Richard J. Williams' pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: On 08/10/2014 08:39 AM, lengli...@cox.net [FairfieldLife] wrote: TM is different from most other forms of meditation in

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Spirituality and Psychosis

2014-08-10 Thread 'Richard J. Williams' pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife]
On 8/10/2014 2:02 PM, Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife] wrote: As for my reply to Lawson, he's been droning this for years. I'm not saying there's anything wrong with TM just that one shoe size does not fit all. I think Maharishi knew that and figured if it didn't work for

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Spirituality and Psychosis

2014-08-10 Thread Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife]
On 08/10/2014 12:11 PM, 'Richard J. Williams' pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: On 8/10/2014 2:02 PM, Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife] wrote: On 08/10/2014 10:03 AM, 'Richard J. Williams' pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: On 08/10/2014 08:39 AM,

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Spirituality and Psychosis

2014-08-10 Thread 'Richard J. Williams' pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife]
On 8/10/2014 2:52 PM, Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife] wrote: On 08/10/2014 12:11 PM, 'Richard J. Williams' pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: On 8/10/2014 2:02 PM, Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife] wrote: On 08/10/2014 10:03 AM, 'Richard J. Williams'

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Spirituality and Psychosis

2014-08-10 Thread lengli...@cox.net [FairfieldLife]
Saying that I'm wrong doesn't make me wrong. I can cite study after study showing a consistent EEG pattern for TM. I can cite study after study showing a consistent, but different-than-TM, EEG pattern for mindfulness. I can cite study after study showing a consistent, but

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Spirituality and Psychosis

2014-08-10 Thread lengli...@cox.net [FairfieldLife]
-procedures/meditation/in-depth/meditation/art-20045858 From: srijau@... mailto:srijau@... srijau@... mailto:srijau@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, August 10, 2014 12:41 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Spirituality and Psychosis

[FairfieldLife] Re: Spirituality and Psychosis

2014-08-10 Thread s3raph...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
Sent: Sunday, August 10, 2014 12:41 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Spirituality and Psychosis scientific research has now shown that despite using this common term meditation in english, TM has little or nothing in common with the other technique which are widely used and studied today

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Spirituality and Psychosis

2014-08-10 Thread Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife]
On 08/10/2014 05:00 PM, 'Richard J. Williams' pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: On 8/10/2014 2:52 PM, Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife] wrote: On 08/10/2014 12:11 PM, 'Richard J. Williams' pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: On 8/10/2014 2:02 PM, Bhairitu

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Spirituality and Psychosis

2014-08-10 Thread 'Richard J. Williams' pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife]
-20045858 *From:* srijau@... mailto:srijau@... srijau@... mailto:srijau@... *To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *Sent:* Sunday, August 10, 2014 12:41 PM *Subject:* [FairfieldLife] Re

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Spirituality and Psychosis

2014-08-10 Thread 'Richard J. Williams' pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife]
On 8/10/2014 9:12 PM, Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife] wrote: On 08/10/2014 05:00 PM, 'Richard J. Williams' pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: On 8/10/2014 2:52 PM, Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife] wrote: On 08/10/2014 12:11 PM, 'Richard J. Williams'