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Could you name a few countries? IMHO, dress diferences actually perpetuate, bias, prejudices and discriminations, on a very subtle level, deep in the subconscious. Where is Ann when I need her? Nothing in the universe is static. We evolve and adapt to everchanging conditions. Stasis means sure extinction. The universe is an extremely dynamic place. This is really a survival issue. --- sharelong60 sharelong60@... wrote: Jason, there are countries where men and women dress in very similar ways. But those countries don't seem very egalitarian to me! From: Jason jedi_spock@... Share, discrimination, bias, prejudices continue to exist on very subtle levels. There are invisible glass ceilings. It can take generations to wipe them out. An unisex dress code (specialy for children) in public spaces, I believe can play a role in creating a truly egalitarian society. --- sharelong60 sharelong60@.. wrote: Jason, your comment about unisex dress code kind of jumped out at me as did your linking that to an egalitarian society. Actually I'm still kind of baffled by it so don't even know what to ask except: can you say more? From: Jason jedi_spock@... The Chinese philosophy which speaks of Yin-Yang, two equal energies mutually balancing each other is a far superior philosophy to western philosophy and certain aspects of indian philosophy. Science itself says that male and female are equals but different. Yoga is essentialy balance, ie life within parameters. Any society or culture that is imbalanced will eventually destroy itself. Nature hates imbalances and always tries to reach an equilibrium. I have always believed that an unisex dresscode in public spaces, is an important way to bring in a truly egalitarian society. If a republic is small, it is destroyed by a foreign force; if it is large, it is destroyed by an internal vice. ~French philosopher, Montesquieu --- s3raphita s3raphita@.. wrote: Ah, yes! C.S. Lewis and Mere Christianity. The book was originally a series of talks Lewis gave on BBC Radio in the 1940s. At one point he brought up the delicate topic of sex. Lewis maintained that in his youth he had been all in favour of a naturalattitude towards sexual matters but - he said - surely contemporary attitudes towards sex were anything but natural. There was something positively diseased about them. As an example, Lewis asked us to consider a striptease show. What are we make of such an exhibition? Well, he said, imagine you had arrived in a strange country where you discovered that the inhabitants were in the habit of paying to gather in front of a display of food that was hidden from view. Then, slowly, the appetising meal was revealed to the gaze of the citizens. Wouldn't you then conclude that something had gone seriously wrong with the appetites of the denizens of this imaginary nation? Well, isn't the same true of our attitudes towards sex? We have a diseased approach, he concluded. A listener to the programme later wrote in to say: if I came across a country such as you describe I would assume that the people were starving. What a splendid response! The implication being that men frequent strip shows because they are sex-starved. Now take a look around you at the 24/7 porn culture we inhabit. Was Lewis right or the anonymous listener?
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Jason, I agree that the universe is dynamic and ever changing. I would add that dynamic balance is the ideal. How about dynamic egalitarianism? And maybe that's the phase we're in now. Is sameness equality? I see your point about clothing differences. But I also think that FORCED sameness is not beneficial for human growth. I was thinking of countries wherein both men and women wear long robes or both men and women wear loose pants and long tops. From: Jason jedi_sp...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, September 25, 2013 5:35 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Theology of Breaking Bad Could you name a few countries? IMHO, dress diferences actually perpetuate, bias, prejudices and discriminations, on a very subtle level, deep in the subconscious. Where is Ann when I need her? Nothing in the universe is static. We evolve and adapt to everchanging conditions. Stasis means sure extinction. The universe is an extremely dynamic place. This is really a survival issue. --- sharelong60 sharelong60@... wrote: Jason, there are countries where men and women dress in very similar ways. But those countries don't seem very egalitarian to me! From: Jason jedi_spock@... Share, discrimination, bias, prejudices continue to exist on very subtle levels. There are invisible glass ceilings. It can take generations to wipe them out. An unisex dress code (specialy for children) in public spaces, I believe can play a role in creating a truly egalitarian society. --- sharelong60 sharelong60@.. wrote: Jason, your comment about unisex dress code kind of jumped out at me as did your linking that to an egalitarian society. Actually I'm still kind of baffled by it so don't even know what to ask except: can you say more? From: Jason jedi_spock@... The Chinese philosophy which speaks of Yin-Yang, two equal energies mutually balancing each other is a far superior philosophy to western philosophy and certain aspects of indian philosophy. Science itself says that male and female are equals but different. Yoga is essentialy balance, ie life within parameters. Any society or culture that is imbalanced will eventually destroy itself. Nature hates imbalances and always tries to reach an equilibrium. I have always believed that an unisex dresscode in public spaces, is an important way to bring in a truly egalitarian society. If a republic is small, it is destroyed by a foreign force; if it is large, it is destroyed by an internal vice. ~French philosopher, Montesquieu --- s3raphita s3raphita@.. wrote: Ah, yes! C.S. Lewis and Mere Christianity. The book was originally a series of talks Lewis gave on BBC Radio in the 1940s. At one point he brought up the delicate topic of sex. Lewis maintained that in his youth he had been all in favour of a naturalattitude towards sexual matters but - he said - surely contemporary attitudes towards sex were anything but natural. There was something positively diseased about them. As an example, Lewis asked us to consider a striptease show. What are we make of such an exhibition? Well, he said, imagine you had arrived in a strange country where you discovered that the inhabitants were in the habit of paying to gather in front of a display of food that was hidden from view. Then, slowly, the appetising meal was revealed to the gaze of the citizens. Wouldn't you then conclude that something had gone seriously wrong with the appetites of the denizens of this imaginary nation? Well, isn't the same true of our attitudes towards sex? We have a diseased approach, he concluded. A listener to the programme later wrote in to say: if I came across a country such as you describe I would assume that the people were starving. What a splendid response! The implication being that men frequent strip shows because they are sex-starved. Now take a look around you at the 24/7 porn culture we inhabit. Was Lewis right or the anonymous listener?
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Seraphita, I think both CS Lewis and the listener are right. Continuing the food analogy, it's as if an essential nutrient has been missing from the diet for a long time and now the person is overindulging to make up for that deficit. But what is the nutrient that's being so feverishly sought via the porn industry? This helps me understand a little: my favorite tantric teacher David Deida once said that to a straight man, the female body is the most beautiful thing in the world. Anyway, we women aren't hardwired the same visual way but I think a parallel hunger in women shows up in the popularity of romance novels and mushy love songs and chick flicks. This all reminds me of something I read once, sorry can't remember the author at the moment: that men need sex to feel love and women need to feel love to have sex. Seems like one of life's little jests. PS I know about CS Lewis only from the movie Shadowlands, based on his life, specifically his marriage. From: s3raph...@yahoo.com s3raph...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, September 23, 2013 9:33 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] RE: The Theology of Breaking Bad Ah, yes! C.S. Lewis and Mere Christianity. The book was originally a series of talks Lewis gave on BBC Radio in the 1940s. At one point he brought up the delicate topic of sex. Lewis maintained that in his youth he had been all in favour of a naturalattitude towards sexual matters but - he said - surely contemporary attitudes towards sex were anything but natural. There was something positively diseased about them. As an example, Lewis asked us to consider a striptease show. What are we make of such an exhibition? Well, he said, imagine you had arrived in a strange country where you discovered that the inhabitants were in the habit of paying to gather in front of a display of food that was hidden from view. Then, slowly, the appetising meal was revealed to the gaze of the citizens. Wouldn't you then conclude that something had gone seriously wrong with the appetites of the denizens of this imaginary nation? Well, isn't the same true of our attitudes towards sex? We have a diseased approach, he concluded. A listener to the programme later wrote in to say: if I came across a country such as you describe I would assume that the people were starving. What a splendid response! The implication being that men frequent strip shows because they are sex-starved. Now take a look around you at the 24/7 porn culture we inhabit. Was Lewis right or the anonymous listener? --- In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote: In Mere Christianity, C.S. Lewis calls pride “The Great Sin” for it “has been the chief cause of misery in every nation and every family since the world began… it was through Pride that the devil became the devil: Pride leads to every other vice.” We see in Walter’s case that it is his pride—an unwillingness to accept normal treatment, a refusal to be a charity case even when faced with his own impending death—that starts him on the path toward manufacturing meth. Pride is the catalyst that leads to all of Walter’s other sins. Read more: 'The Theology of Breaking Bad' http://www.fare-forward.com/the-theology-of-breaking-bad/
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long wrote: Seraphita, I think both CS Lewis and the listener are right. Continuing the food analogy, it's as if an essential nutrient has been missing from the diet for a long time and now the person is overindulging to make up for that deficit. But what is the nutrient that's being so feverishly sought via the porn industry? This helps me understand a little: my favorite tantric teacher David Deida once said that to a straight man, the female body is the most beautiful thing in the world. Anyway, we women aren't hardwired the same visual way but I think a parallel hunger in women shows up in the popularity of romance novels and mushy love songs and chick flicks. As an example of the creative uses of context shifting I wrote about in my last post, this reminded me of a recent article quoting author Stephen King on the sad (in his eyes) popularity of tweenager porn. http://www.theguardian.com/books/2013/sep/21/stephen-king-twilight-tween\ age-porn http://www.theguardian.com/books/2013/sep/21/stephen-king-twilight-twee\ nage-porn I agree with him completely, at least about Twilight.
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turq, I don't find the writing in the Twilight novels that great. But I think it's a powerful retelling of the archetypal story of love between an immortal and a mortal, between God and human for us non atheists. In this sense, it's a story of surrender and unity to something greater than ourselves. Actually I think most romantic love stories are, on the deepest level, evoking the human yearning for unity with something more complete than ourselves. Also with regards to Twilight, perhaps a retelling of Beauty and the Beast, another archetypal love story. Maybe it's not an accident that the heroine is called Bella and the hero Edward calls himself a monster. Hopefully the archetypal aspects are also getting through to the teen audiences. From: turquoiseb no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, September 24, 2013 6:53 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Theology of Breaking Bad --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long wrote: Seraphita, I think both CS Lewis and the listener are right. Continuing the food analogy, it's as if an essential nutrient has been missing from the diet for a long time and now the person is overindulging to make up for that deficit. But what is the nutrient that's being so feverishly sought via the porn industry? This helps me understand a little: my favorite tantric teacher David Deida once said that to a straight man, the female body is the most beautiful thing in the world. Anyway, we women aren't hardwired the same visual way but I think a parallel hunger in women shows up in the popularity of romance novels and mushy love songs and chick flicks. As an example of the creative uses of context shifting I wrote about in my last post, this reminded me of a recent article quoting author Stephen King on the sad (in his eyes) popularity of tweenager porn. http://www.theguardian.com/books/2013/sep/21/stephen-king-twilight-tweenage-porn I agree with him completely, at least about Twilight.
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Theology of Breaking Bad
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@... wrote: turq, I don't find the writing in the Twilight novels that great. But I think it's a powerful retelling of the archetypal story of love between an immortal and a mortal, between God and human for us non atheists. In this sense, it's a story of surrender and unity to something greater than ourselves. Actually I think most romantic love stories are, on the deepest level, evoking the human yearning for unity with something more complete than ourselves. Also with regards to Twilight, perhaps a retelling of Beauty and the Beast, another archetypal love story. Maybe it's not an accident that the heroine is called Bella and the hero Edward calls himself a monster. Hopefully the archetypal aspects are also getting through to the teen audiences. I can hardly speak as an expert, having made my way through the first novel only because someone was begging me to. It was like pulling my own teeth. I later found criticisms of it that echoed what I was feeling as I read. FAR from archetypal or mythic, I found it to be the literary counterpart of those creepy clubs in high schools where they talk guys and gals into wearing virginity rings. It was the mindset of the 1950s, with vampires and the dangers of getting close to them taking the place of the dangers of...uh...SEX. It was preaching sublimation, and resisting of natural desires, and trying to elevate those things as if they were noble and wonderful. I didn't feel that was an appropriate message for teenagers, so I wasn't a fan. But obviously, tastes vary. What surprises me about the whole Twilight thang are the number of *older* women who fixate on it. From: turquoiseb no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, September 24, 2013 6:53 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Theology of Breaking Bad  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long wrote: Seraphita, I think both CS Lewis and the listener are right. Continuing the food analogy, it's as if an essential nutrient has been missing from the diet for a long time and now the person is overindulging to make up for that deficit. But what is the nutrient that's being so feverishly sought via the porn industry? This helps me understand a little: my favorite tantric teacher David Deida once said that to a straight man, the female body is the most beautiful thing in the world. Anyway, we women aren't hardwired the same visual way but I think a parallel hunger in women shows up in the popularity of romance novels and mushy love songs and chick flicks. As an example of the creative uses of context shifting I wrote about in my last post, this reminded me of a recent article quoting author Stephen King on the sad (in his eyes) popularity of tweenager porn. http://www.theguardian.com/books/2013/sep/21/stephen-king-twilight-tweenage-porn I agree with him completely, at least about Twilight.
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Theology of Breaking Bad
The Chinese philosophy which speaks of Yin-Yang, two equal energies mutually balancing each other is a far superior philosophy to western philosophy and certain aspects of indian philosophy. Seience itself says that male and female are equals but different. Yoga is essentialy balance, ie life within parameters. Any society or culture that is imbalanced will eventually destroy itself. Nature hates imbalances and always tries to reach an equilibrium. I have always believed that an unisex dresscode in public spaces, is an important way to bring in a truly egalitarian society. If a republic is small, it is destroyed by a foreign force; if it is large, it is destroyed by an internal vice. ~French philosopher, Montesquieu --- s3raphita s3raphita@.. wrote: Ah, yes! C.S. Lewis and Mere Christianity. The book was originally a series of talks Lewis gave on BBC Radio in the 1940s. At one point he brought up the delicate topic of sex. Lewis maintained that in his youth he had been all in favour of a naturalattitude towards sexual matters but - he said - surely contemporary attitudes towards sex were anything but natural. There was something positively diseased about them. As an example, Lewis asked us to consider a striptease show. What are we make of such an exhibition? Well, he said, imagine you had arrived in a strange country where you discovered that the inhabitants were in the habit of paying to gather in front of a display of food that was hidden from view. Then, slowly, the appetising meal was revealed to the gaze of the citizens. Wouldn't you then conclude that something had gone seriously wrong with the appetites of the denizens of this imaginary nation? Well, isn't the same true of our attitudes towards sex? We have a diseased approach, he concluded. A listener to the programme later wrote in to say: if I came across a country such as you describe I would assume that the people were starving. What a splendid response! The implication being that men frequent strip shows because they are sex-starved. Now take a look around you at the 24/7 porn culture we inhabit. Was Lewis right or the anonymous listener? --- Pundister punditster@... wrote: In Mere Christianity, C.S. Lewis calls pride 'The Great Sin' for it 'has been the chief cause of misery in every nation and every family since the world began'¦ it was through Pride that the devil became the devil: Pride leads to every other vice.' We see in Walter' case that it is his pride' 'an unwillingness to accept normal treatment, a refusal to be a charity case even when faced with his own impending death' that starts him on the path toward manufacturing meth. Pride is the catalyst that leads to all of Walter's other sins. Read more: 'The Theology of Breaking Bad' http://www.fare-forward.com/the-theology-of-breaking-bad/
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emptybill, some view Jesus and Christianity as a step in the evolution of religion. And a Pisces step at that. Agape. Unconditional love. Can seem sappy when compared to more robust expressions of love. OTOH, with regards to Adam and Eve there is a similar concept of oh happy fall. Meaning that if they had not fallen, Christ would not have incarnated. Still not as robust as Satan's willingness to be, out of his unconquerable love for God, separate from God FOR ALL ETERNITY. Surely he must know that God's embrace encompasses even that! From: emptyb...@yahoo.com emptyb...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, September 23, 2013 8:14 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] RE: The Theology of Breaking Bad C.S. Lewis' quote - blah, blah, I'm so bad ... This is just an iteration of the old protestant/roman catholic theology of sin, guilt, redemption ... o god, o god, I know I done wrong but (gulf, gulp, sweat, sweat) now I wanna change. Such b.s. This distorted view of human nature/god's nature goes back to the sniveling confessions of Augustine of Hippo. However the pride of the evil one was much more colorfully described by Milton in Paradise Lost. However, Paradise Lost is just another iteration of the old theology. More interesting is the Sufi revelation ... that Lucifer fell from his exalted angelic station because he so ecstatically loved God that he refused God's command to bow down to God's own vicar ... the earthy Adam. The reason? He could worship no one other than his chosen deity, his Ishta Devatah ... yhvh. The consequence? Out of unconquerable love, he subsists upon the last command of this true love be gone! The Sufi's insist this is a much closer to the truth of gnosis than the pathetic ... Won't you come to the weeping Jesus in your wickedly defiled heart? ... You stinking pile of filth! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote: In Mere Christianity, C.S. Lewis calls pride “The Great Sin” for it “has been the chief cause of misery in every nation and every family since the world began… it was through Pride that the devil became the devil: Pride leads to every other vice.” We see in Walter’s case that it is his pride—an unwillingness to accept normal treatment, a refusal to be a charity case even when faced with his own impending death—that starts him on the path toward manufacturing meth. Pride is the catalyst that leads to all of Walter’s other sins. Read more: 'The Theology of Breaking Bad' http://www.fare-forward.com/the-theology-of-breaking-bad/
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Judy, why is that? What are you confused about? Are your beliefs so set in stone? From: authfri...@yahoo.com authfri...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, September 24, 2013 10:04 AM Subject: RE: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: The Theology of Breaking Bad Share observed: emptybill, some view Jesus and Christianity as a step in the evolution of religion. One truly doesn't know whether to laugh or cry.
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Judy, since you're still confused, I'm asking what you meant by: one doesn't know whether to laugh or cry. From: authfri...@yahoo.com authfri...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, September 24, 2013 10:31 AM Subject: RE: Re: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: The Theology of Breaking Bad Share struggled: Judy, why is that? What are you confused about? I believe I said one doesn't know whether to laugh or cry. Are your beliefs so set in stone? Which beliefs would those be, Share? From: authfriend@... authfriend@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, September 24, 2013 10:04 AM Subject: RE: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: The Theology of Breaking Bad Share observed: emptybill, some view Jesus and Christianity as a step in the evolution of religion. One truly doesn't know whether to laugh or cry.
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well turq, it turns out that Stephanie Meyers is a Mormon so maybe you are right about her attitude towards teen sex. I still appreciate its archetypal elements. Another one: the heroine torn between her immortal aspect as symbolized by the vampire and her animal aspect as symbolized by Jacob, the werewolf. From: turquoiseb no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, September 24, 2013 7:27 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Theology of Breaking Bad --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@... wrote: turq, I don't find the writing in the Twilight novels that great. But I think it's a powerful retelling of the archetypal story of love between an immortal and a mortal, between God and human for us non atheists. In this sense, it's a story of surrender and unity to something greater than ourselves. Actually I think most romantic love stories are, on the deepest level, evoking the human yearning for unity with something more complete than ourselves. Also with regards to Twilight, perhaps a retelling of Beauty and the Beast, another archetypal love story. Maybe it's not an accident that the heroine is called Bella and the hero Edward calls himself a monster. Hopefully the archetypal aspects are also getting through to the teen audiences. I can hardly speak as an expert, having made my way through the first novel only because someone was begging me to. It was like pulling my own teeth. I later found criticisms of it that echoed what I was feeling as I read. FAR from archetypal or mythic, I found it to be the literary counterpart of those creepy clubs in high schools where they talk guys and gals into wearing virginity rings. It was the mindset of the 1950s, with vampires and the dangers of getting close to them taking the place of the dangers of...uh...SEX. It was preaching sublimation, and resisting of natural desires, and trying to elevate those things as if they were noble and wonderful. I didn't feel that was an appropriate message for teenagers, so I wasn't a fan. But obviously, tastes vary. What surprises me about the whole Twilight thang are the number of *older* women who fixate on it. From: turquoiseb no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, September 24, 2013 6:53 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Theology of Breaking Bad  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long wrote: Seraphita, I think both CS Lewis and the listener are right. Continuing the food analogy, it's as if an essential nutrient has been missing from the diet for a long time and now the person is overindulging to make up for that deficit. But what is the nutrient that's being so feverishly sought via the porn industry? This helps me understand a little: my favorite tantric teacher David Deida once said that to a straight man, the female body is the most beautiful thing in the world. Anyway, we women aren't hardwired the same visual way but I think a parallel hunger in women shows up in the popularity of romance novels and mushy love songs and chick flicks. As an example of the creative uses of context shifting I wrote about in my last post, this reminded me of a recent article quoting author Stephen King on the sad (in his eyes) popularity of tweenager porn. http://www.theguardian.com/books/2013/sep/21/stephen-king-twilight-tweenage-porn I agree with him completely, at least about Twilight.
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Jason, your comment about unisex dress code kind of jumped out at me as did your linking that to an egalitarian society. Actually I'm still kind of baffled by it so don't even know what to ask except: can you say more? From: Jason jedi_sp...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, September 24, 2013 8:14 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Theology of Breaking Bad The Chinese philosophy which speaks of Yin-Yang, two equal energies mutually balancing each other is a far superior philosophy to western philosophy and certain aspects of indian philosophy. Seience itself says that male and female are equals but different. Yoga is essentialy balance, ie life within parameters. Any society or culture that is imbalanced will eventually destroy itself. Nature hates imbalances and always tries to reach an equilibrium. I have always believed that an unisex dresscode in public spaces, is an important way to bring in a truly egalitarian society. If a republic is small, it is destroyed by a foreign force; if it is large, it is destroyed by an internal vice. ~French philosopher, Montesquieu --- s3raphita s3raphita@.. wrote: Ah, yes! C.S. Lewis and Mere Christianity. The book was originally a series of talks Lewis gave on BBC Radio in the 1940s. At one point he brought up the delicate topic of sex. Lewis maintained that in his youth he had been all in favour of a naturalattitude towards sexual matters but - he said - surely contemporary attitudes towards sex were anything but natural. There was something positively diseased about them. As an example, Lewis asked us to consider a striptease show. What are we make of such an exhibition? Well, he said, imagine you had arrived in a strange country where you discovered that the inhabitants were in the habit of paying to gather in front of a display of food that was hidden from view. Then, slowly, the appetising meal was revealed to the gaze of the citizens. Wouldn't you then conclude that something had gone seriously wrong with the appetites of the denizens of this imaginary nation? Well, isn't the same true of our attitudes towards sex? We have a diseased approach, he concluded. A listener to the programme later wrote in to say: if I came across a country such as you describe I would assume that the people were starving. What a splendid response! The implication being that men frequent strip shows because they are sex-starved. Now take a look around you at the 24/7 porn culture we inhabit. Was Lewis right or the anonymous listener? --- Pundister punditster@... wrote: In Mere Christianity, C.S. Lewis calls pride 'The Great Sin' for it 'has been the chief cause of misery in every nation and every family since the world began'¦ it was through Pride that the devil became the devil: Pride leads to every other vice.' We see in Walter' case that it is his pride' 'an unwillingness to accept normal treatment, a refusal to be a charity case even when faced with his own impending death' that starts him on the path toward manufacturing meth. Pride is the catalyst that leads to all of Walter's other sins. Read more: 'The Theology of Breaking Bad' http://www.fare-forward.com/the-theology-of-breaking-bad/
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Now this is funny- a guy thinks a Twilight book is about sex between werewolves. Go figure. If you enjoyed the Twilight movies you may want to check out AMC's The Walking Dead. Based on the comic book series of the same name, AMC's The Walking Dead tells the story of a small group of survivors living in the aftermath of a zombie apocalypse. A Golden Globe Award for Best Television Series, Drama. The series follows a group of survivors, led by police officer Rick Grimes, who are traveling in search of a safe and secure home. However, instead of the zombies, it is the living who remain that truly become the walking dead. And guess what - The Walking Dead is not about zombies at all. LoL! Read more: 'At AMC, Zombies Topple Network TV' New York Times: http://www.nytimes.com/ http://www.nytimes.com/2013/03/04/business/media/walking-dead-helps-solidify-amcs-ratings-success.html?pagewanted=all_r=0 'The Walking Dead,' Like All Zombie Stories: ... Not About Zombies at All' The Atlantic: http://www.theatlantic.com/entertainment/ http://www.theatlantic.com/entertainment/archive/2012/11/the-walking-dead-like-all-zombie-stories-not-about-zombies-at-all/265549/ On 9/24/2013 7:27 AM, turquoiseb wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@... wrote: turq, I don't find the writing in the Twilight novels that great. But I think it's a powerful retelling of the archetypal story of love between an immortal and a mortal, between God and human for us non atheists. In this sense, it's a story of surrender and unity to something greater than ourselves. Actually I think most romantic love stories are, on the deepest level, evoking the human yearning for unity with something more complete than ourselves. Also with regards to Twilight, perhaps a retelling of Beauty and the Beast, another archetypal love story. Maybe it's not an accident that the heroine is called Bella and the hero Edward calls himself a monster. Hopefully the archetypal aspects are also getting through to the teen audiences. I can hardly speak as an expert, having made my way through the first novel only because someone was begging me to. It was like pulling my own teeth. I later found criticisms of it that echoed what I was feeling as I read. FAR from archetypal or mythic, I found it to be the literary counterpart of those creepy clubs in high schools where they talk guys and gals into wearing virginity rings. It was the mindset of the 1950s, with vampires and the dangers of getting close to them taking the place of the dangers of...uh...SEX. It was preaching sublimation, and resisting of natural desires, and trying to elevate those things as if they were noble and wonderful. I didn't feel that was an appropriate message for teenagers, so I wasn't a fan. But obviously, tastes vary. What surprises me about the whole Twilight thang are the number of *older* women who fixate on it. From: turquoiseb no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, September 24, 2013 6:53 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Theology of Breaking Bad  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long wrote: Seraphita, I think both CS Lewis and the listener are right. Continuing the food analogy, it's as if an essential nutrient has been missing from the diet for a long time and now the person is overindulging to make up for that deficit. But what is the nutrient that's being so feverishly sought via the porn industry? This helps me understand a little: my favorite tantric teacher David Deida once said that to a straight man, the female body is the most beautiful thing in the world. Anyway, we women aren't hardwired the same visual way but I think a parallel hunger in women shows up in the popularity of romance novels and mushy love songs and chick flicks. As an example of the creative uses of context shifting I wrote about in my last post, this reminded me of a recent article quoting author Stephen King on the sad (in his eyes) popularity of tweenager porn. http://www.theguardian.com/books/2013/sep/21/stephen-king-twilight-tweenage-porn I agree with him completely, at least about Twilight.
[FairfieldLife] RE: The Theology of Breaking Bad
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Theology of Breaking Bad
Share, discrimination, bias, prejudices continue to exist on very subtle levels. There are invisible glass ceilings. It can take generations to wipe them out. An unisex dress code (specialy for children) in public spaces, I believe can play a role in creating a truly egalitarian society. --- sharelong60 sharelong60@.. wrote: Jason, your comment about unisex dress code kind of jumped out at me as did your linking that to an egalitarian society. Actually I'm still kind of baffled by it so don't even know what to ask except: can you say more? From: Jason jedi_spock@... The Chinese philosophy which speaks of Yin-Yang, two equal energies mutually balancing each other is a far superior philosophy to western philosophy and certain aspects of indian philosophy. Science itself says that male and female are equals but different. Yoga is essentialy balance, ie life within parameters. Any society or culture that is imbalanced will eventually destroy itself. Nature hates imbalances and always tries to reach an equilibrium. I have always believed that an unisex dresscode in public spaces, is an important way to bring in a truly egalitarian society. If a republic is small, it is destroyed by a foreign force; if it is large, it is destroyed by an internal vice. ~French philosopher, Montesquieu --- s3raphita s3raphita@.. wrote: Ah, yes! C.S. Lewis and Mere Christianity. The book was originally a series of talks Lewis gave on BBC Radio in the 1940s. At one point he brought up the delicate topic of sex. Lewis maintained that in his youth he had been all in favour of a naturalattitude towards sexual matters but - he said - surely contemporary attitudes towards sex were anything but natural. There was something positively diseased about them. As an example, Lewis asked us to consider a striptease show. What are we make of such an exhibition? Well, he said, imagine you had arrived in a strange country where you discovered that the inhabitants were in the habit of paying to gather in front of a display of food that was hidden from view. Then, slowly, the appetising meal was revealed to the gaze of the citizens. Wouldn't you then conclude that something had gone seriously wrong with the appetites of the denizens of this imaginary nation? Well, isn't the same true of our attitudes towards sex? We have a diseased approach, he concluded. A listener to the programme later wrote in to say: if I came across a country such as you describe I would assume that the people were starving. What a splendid response! The implication being that men frequent strip shows because they are sex-starved. Now take a look around you at the 24/7 porn culture we inhabit. Was Lewis right or the anonymous listener? --- Pundister punditster@... wrote: In Mere Christianity, C.S. Lewis calls pride 'The Great Sin' for it 'has been the chief cause of misery in every nation and every family since the world began'¦ it was through Pride that the devil became the devil: Pride leads to every other vice.' We see in Walter' case that it is his pride' 'an unwillingness to accept normal treatment, a refusal to be a charity case even when faced with his own impending death' that starts him on the path toward manufacturing meth. Pride is the catalyst that leads to all of Walter's other sins. Read more: 'The Theology of Breaking Bad' http://www.fare-forward.com/the-theology-of-breaking-bad/
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Richard, get this, which I am not making up: I first watched Twilight around the same time my landlords started making garlic infused oil in the third apartment of the house! Ok, I'm gonna do some research on Walking Dead because it definitely sounds like a very cool theme even though generally I'm not into horror shows. I think Twilight is tame compared to most. From: Richard J. Williams pundits...@gmail.com To: Richard J. Williams FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, September 24, 2013 10:50 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Theology of Breaking Bad Now this is funny- a guy thinks a Twilight book is about sex between werewolves. Go figure. If you enjoyed the Twilight movies you may want to check out AMC's The Walking Dead. Based on the comic book series of the same name, AMC's The Walking Dead tells the story of a small group of survivors living in the aftermath of a zombie apocalypse. A Golden Globe Award for Best Television Series, Drama. The series follows a group of survivors, led by police officer Rick Grimes, who are traveling in search of a safe and secure home. However, instead of the zombies, it is the living who remain that truly become the walking dead. And guess what - The Walking Dead is not about zombies at all. LoL! Read more: 'At AMC, Zombies Topple Network TV' New York Times: http://www.nytimes.com/ 'The Walking Dead,' Like All Zombie Stories: ... Not About Zombies at All' The Atlantic: http://www.theatlantic.com/entertainment/ On 9/24/2013 7:27 AM, turquoiseb wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@... wrote: turq, I don't find the writing in the Twilight novels that great. But I think it's a powerful retelling of the archetypal story of love between an immortal and a mortal, between God and human for us non atheists. In this sense, it's a story of surrender and unity to something greater than ourselves. Actually I think most romantic love stories are, on the deepest level, evoking the human yearning for unity with something more complete than ourselves. Also with regards to Twilight, perhaps a retelling of Beauty and the Beast, another archetypal love story. Maybe it's not an accident that the heroine is called Bella and the hero Edward calls himself a monster. Hopefully the archetypal aspects are also getting through to the teen audiences. I can hardly speak as an expert, having made my way through the first novel only because someone was begging me to. It was like pulling my own teeth. I later found criticisms of it that echoed what I was feeling as I read. FAR from archetypal or mythic, I found it to be the literary counterpart of those creepy clubs in high schools where they talk guys and gals into wearing virginity rings. It was the mindset of the 1950s, with vampires and the dangers of getting close to them taking the place of the dangers of...uh...SEX. It was preaching sublimation, and resisting of natural desires, and trying to elevate those things as if they were noble and wonderful. I didn't feel that was an appropriate message for teenagers, so I wasn't a fan. But obviously, tastes vary. What surprises me about the whole Twilight thang are the number of *older* women who fixate on it. From: turquoiseb no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, September 24, 2013 6:53 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Theology of Breaking Bad  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long wrote: Seraphita, I think both CS Lewis and the listener are right. Continuing the food analogy, it's as if an essential nutrient has been missing from the diet for a long time and now the person is overindulging to make up for that deficit. But what is the nutrient that's being so feverishly sought via the porn industry? This helps me understand a little: my favorite tantric teacher David Deida once said that to a straight man, the female body is the most beautiful thing in the world. Anyway, we women aren't hardwired the same visual way but I think a parallel hunger in women shows up in the popularity of romance novels and mushy love songs and chick flicks. As an example of the creative uses of context shifting I wrote about in my last post, this reminded me of a recent article quoting author Stephen King on the sad (in his eyes) popularity of tweenager porn. http://www.theguardian.com/books/2013/sep/21/stephen-king-twilight-tweenage-porn I agree with him completely, at least about Twilight.
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Jason, there are countries where men and women dress in very similar ways. But those countries don't seem very egalitarian to me! From: Jason jedi_sp...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, September 24, 2013 11:19 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Theology of Breaking Bad Share, discrimination, bias, prejudices continue to exist on very subtle levels. There are invisible glass ceilings. It can take generations to wipe them out. An unisex dress code (specialy for children) in public spaces, I believe can play a role in creating a truly egalitarian society. --- sharelong60 sharelong60@.. wrote: Jason, your comment about unisex dress code kind of jumped out at me as did your linking that to an egalitarian society. Actually I'm still kind of baffled by it so don't even know what to ask except: can you say more? From: Jason jedi_spock@... The Chinese philosophy which speaks of Yin-Yang, two equal energies mutually balancing each other is a far superior philosophy to western philosophy and certain aspects of indian philosophy. Science itself says that male and female are equals but different. Yoga is essentialy balance, ie life within parameters. Any society or culture that is imbalanced will eventually destroy itself. Nature hates imbalances and always tries to reach an equilibrium. I have always believed that an unisex dresscode in public spaces, is an important way to bring in a truly egalitarian society. If a republic is small, it is destroyed by a foreign force; if it is large, it is destroyed by an internal vice. ~French philosopher, Montesquieu --- s3raphita s3raphita@.. wrote: Ah, yes! C.S. Lewis and Mere Christianity. The book was originally a series of talks Lewis gave on BBC Radio in the 1940s. At one point he brought up the delicate topic of sex. Lewis maintained that in his youth he had been all in favour of a naturalattitude towards sexual matters but - he said - surely contemporary attitudes towards sex were anything but natural. There was something positively diseased about them. As an example, Lewis asked us to consider a striptease show. What are we make of such an exhibition? Well, he said, imagine you had arrived in a strange country where you discovered that the inhabitants were in the habit of paying to gather in front of a display of food that was hidden from view. Then, slowly, the appetising meal was revealed to the gaze of the citizens. Wouldn't you then conclude that something had gone seriously wrong with the appetites of the denizens of this imaginary nation? Well, isn't the same true of our attitudes towards sex? We have a diseased approach, he concluded. A listener to the programme later wrote in to say: if I came across a country such as you describe I would assume that the people were starving. What a splendid response! The implication being that men frequent strip shows because they are sex-starved. Now take a look around you at the 24/7 porn culture we inhabit. Was Lewis right or the anonymous listener? --- Pundister punditster@... wrote: In Mere Christianity, C.S. Lewis calls pride 'The Great Sin' for it 'has been the chief cause of misery in every nation and every family since the world began'¦ it was through Pride that the devil became the devil: Pride leads to every other vice.' We see in Walter' case that it is his pride' 'an unwillingness to accept normal treatment, a refusal to be a charity case even when faced with his own impending death' that starts him on the path toward manufacturing meth. Pride is the catalyst that leads to all of Walter's other sins. Read more: 'The Theology of Breaking Bad' http://www.fare-forward.com/the-theology-of-breaking-bad/
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Seraphita, are people more sex obsessed now than before? Or is it simply that there's more openness about the obsession now? As for Lewis, in Shadowlands he seems like a confirmed bachelor who had a rug pulled out from under his feet! I'm guessing he was pretty innocent about sex as well as being naive about the Catholic Church. From: s3raph...@yahoo.com s3raph...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, September 24, 2013 11:15 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] RE: The Theology of Breaking Bad Re I think both CS Lewis and the listener are right. Continuing the food analogy, it's as if an essential nutrient has been missing from the diet for a long time and now the person is overindulging to make up for that deficit.: yes, I think that's right. (Though the food analogy might break down if you consider those many millionaires who had starved in their youth. Though they later became fabulously rich they stayed tight-fisted to their dying day. One chap always used to have hard-boiled eggs on him so that he didn't find himself having to pay for a meal.) Someone might object, though, that the people over-indulging now aren't the people who were starving. The sixties' sex revolution was a long time ago. What's happened is that people now have sex on the brain. Thanks to mass media saturation sex has moved into our mental imaginary sphere and imaginations can't be limited as real-life experience is. Lewis probably never saw that the rise of porn and SM culture, etc, owes a lot to the fact that Christianity made sex sinful. ---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote: Seraphita, I think both CS Lewis and the listener are right. Continuing the food analogy, it's as if an essential nutrient has been missing from the diet for a long time and now the person is overindulging to make up for that deficit. But what is the nutrient that's being so feverishly sought via the porn industry? This helps me understand a little: my favorite tantric teacher David Deida once said that to a straight man, the female body is the most beautiful thing in the world. Anyway, we women aren't hardwired the same visual way but I think a parallel hunger in women shows up in the popularity of romance novels and mushy love songs and chick flicks. This all reminds me of something I read once, sorry can't remember the author at the moment: that men need sex to feel love and women need to feel love to have sex. Seems like one of life's little jests. PS I know about CS Lewis only from the movie Shadowlands, based on his life, specifically his marriage. From: s3raphita@... s3raphita@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, September 23, 2013 9:33 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] RE: The Theology of Breaking Bad Ah, yes! C.S. Lewis and Mere Christianity. The book was originally a series of talks Lewis gave on BBC Radio in the 1940s. At one point he brought up the delicate topic of sex. Lewis maintained that in his youth he had been all in favour of a naturalattitude towards sexual matters but - he said - surely contemporary attitudes towards sex were anything but natural. There was something positively diseased about them. As an example, Lewis asked us to consider a striptease show. What are we make of such an exhibition? Well, he said, imagine you had arrived in a strange country where you discovered that the inhabitants were in the habit of paying to gather in front of a display of food that was hidden from view. Then, slowly, the appetising meal was revealed to the gaze of the citizens. Wouldn't you then conclude that something had gone seriously wrong with the appetites of the denizens of this imaginary nation? Well, isn't the same true of our attitudes towards sex? We have a diseased approach, he concluded. A listener to the programme later wrote in to say: if I came across a country such as you describe I would assume that the people were starving. What a splendid response! The implication being that men frequent strip shows because they are sex-starved. Now take a look around you at the 24/7 porn culture we inhabit. Was Lewis right or the anonymous listener? --- In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote: In Mere Christianity, C.S. Lewis calls pride “The Great Sin” for it “has been the chief cause of misery in every nation and every family since the world began… it was through Pride that the devil became the devil: Pride leads to every other vice.” We see in Walter’s case that it is his pride—an unwillingness to accept normal treatment, a refusal to be a charity case even when faced with his own impending death—that starts him on the path toward manufacturing meth. Pride is the catalyst that leads to all of Walter’s other sins. Read more: 'The Theology of Breaking Bad' http://www.fare-forward.com/the-theology-of-breaking-bad/
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sign recently seen: if you don't sin, Jesus died for nothing From: Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, September 24, 2013 9:53 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: The Theology of Breaking Bad emptybill, some view Jesus and Christianity as a step in the evolution of religion. And a Pisces step at that. Agape. Unconditional love. Can seem sappy when compared to more robust expressions of love. OTOH, with regards to Adam and Eve there is a similar concept of oh happy fall. Meaning that if they had not fallen, Christ would not have incarnated. Still not as robust as Satan's willingness to be, out of his unconquerable love for God, separate from God FOR ALL ETERNITY. Surely he must know that God's embrace encompasses even that! From: emptyb...@yahoo.com emptyb...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, September 23, 2013 8:14 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] RE: The Theology of Breaking Bad C.S. Lewis' quote - blah, blah, I'm so bad ...This is just an iteration of the old protestant/roman catholictheology of sin, guilt, redemption ... o god, o god, I know I done wrong but (gulf, gulp, sweat, sweat) now I wanna change.Such b.s. This distorted view of human nature/god's nature goes back to the sniveling confessions of Augustine of Hippo.However the pride of the evil one was much more colorfully described by Milton in Paradise Lost. However, Paradise Lost is just another iteration of the old theology.More interesting is the Sufi revelation ... that Lucifer fell from his exalted angelic station because he so ecstatically loved God that he refused God's command to bow down to God's own vicar ... the earthy Adam. The reason? He could worship no one other than his chosen deity, his Ishta Devatah ... yhvh. The consequence? Out of unconquerable love, he subsistsupon the last command of this true love be gone!The Sufi's insist this is a much closer to the truth of gnosis than the pathetic ... Won't you come to the weeping Jesusin your wickedly defiled heart? ... You stinking pile of filth! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote: In Mere Christianity, C.S. Lewis calls pride “The Great Sin” for it “has been the chief cause of misery in every nation and every family since the world began… it was through Pride that the devil became the devil: Pride leads to every other vice.” We see in Walter’s case that it is his pride—an unwillingness to accept normal treatment, a refusal to be a charity case even when faced with his own impending death—that starts him on the path toward manufacturing meth. Pride is the catalyst that leads to all of Walter’s other sins. Read more: 'The Theology of Breaking Bad' http://www.fare-forward.com/the-theology-of-breaking-bad/
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Steve, there are certain places in the US where I wouldn't drive with that on my car's bumper sticker! Was that sign by any chance in front of a gambling casino?! From: Steve Sundur steve.sun...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, September 24, 2013 9:11 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: The Theology of Breaking Bad sign recently seen: if you don't sin, Jesus died for nothing From: Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, September 24, 2013 9:53 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: The Theology of Breaking Bad emptybill, some view Jesus and Christianity as a step in the evolution of religion. And a Pisces step at that. Agape. Unconditional love. Can seem sappy when compared to more robust expressions of love. OTOH, with regards to Adam and Eve there is a similar concept of oh happy fall. Meaning that if they had not fallen, Christ would not have incarnated. Still not as robust as Satan's willingness to be, out of his unconquerable love for God, separate from God FOR ALL ETERNITY. Surely he must know that God's embrace encompasses even that! From: emptyb...@yahoo.com emptyb...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, September 23, 2013 8:14 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] RE: The Theology of Breaking Bad C.S. Lewis' quote - blah, blah, I'm so bad ... This is just an iteration of the old protestant/roman catholic theology of sin, guilt, redemption ... o god, o god, I know I done wrong but (gulf, gulp, sweat, sweat) now I wanna change. Such b.s. This distorted view of human nature/god's nature goes back to the sniveling confessions of Augustine of Hippo. However the pride of the evil one was much more colorfully described by Milton in Paradise Lost. However, Paradise Lost is just another iteration of the old theology. More interesting is the Sufi revelation ... that Lucifer fell from his exalted angelic station because he so ecstatically loved God that he refused God's command to bow down to God's own vicar ... the earthy Adam. The reason? He could worship no one other than his chosen deity, his Ishta Devatah ... yhvh. The consequence? Out of unconquerable love, he subsists upon the last command of this true love be gone! The Sufi's insist this is a much closer to the truth of gnosis than the pathetic ... Won't you come to the weeping Jesus in your wickedly defiled heart? ... You stinking pile of filth! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote: In Mere Christianity, C.S. Lewis calls pride “The Great Sin” for it “has been the chief cause of misery in every nation and every family since the world began… it was through Pride that the devil became the devil: Pride leads to every other vice.” We see in Walter’s case that it is his pride—an unwillingness to accept normal treatment, a refusal to be a charity case even when faced with his own impending death—that starts him on the path toward manufacturing meth. Pride is the catalyst that leads to all of Walter’s other sins. Read more: 'The Theology of Breaking Bad' http://www.fare-forward.com/the-theology-of-breaking-bad/
[FairfieldLife] RE: The Theology of Breaking Bad
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actually my employee saw it over the weekend at a store called Gringo Jones near where he lives. Gringo Jones is kind of a funky store. From: Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, September 24, 2013 9:20 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: The Theology of Breaking Bad Steve, there are certain places in the US where I wouldn't drive with that on my car's bumper sticker! Was that sign by any chance in front of a gambling casino?! From: Steve Sundur steve.sun...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, September 24, 2013 9:11 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: The Theology of Breaking Bad sign recently seen: if you don't sin, Jesus died for nothing From: Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, September 24, 2013 9:53 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: The Theology of Breaking Bad emptybill, some view Jesus and Christianity as a step in the evolution of religion. And a Pisces step at that. Agape. Unconditional love. Can seem sappy when compared to more robust expressions of love. OTOH, with regards to Adam and Eve there is a similar concept of oh happy fall. Meaning that if they had not fallen, Christ would not have incarnated. Still not as robust as Satan's willingness to be, out of his unconquerable love for God, separate from God FOR ALL ETERNITY. Surely he must know that God's embrace encompasses even that! From: emptyb...@yahoo.com emptyb...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, September 23, 2013 8:14 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] RE: The Theology of Breaking Bad C.S. Lewis' quote - blah, blah, I'm so bad ... This is just an iteration of the old protestant/roman catholic theology of sin, guilt, redemption ... o god, o god, I know I done wrong but (gulf, gulp, sweat, sweat) now I wanna change. Such b.s. This distorted view of human nature/god's nature goes back to the sniveling confessions of Augustine of Hippo. However the pride of the evil one was much more colorfully described by Milton in Paradise Lost. However, Paradise Lost is just another iteration of the old theology. More interesting is the Sufi revelation ... that Lucifer fell from his exalted angelic station because he so ecstatically loved God that he refused God's command to bow down to God's own vicar ... the earthy Adam. The reason? He could worship no one other than his chosen deity, his Ishta Devatah ... yhvh. The consequence? Out of unconquerable love, he subsists upon the last command of this true love be gone! The Sufi's insist this is a much closer to the truth of gnosis than the pathetic ... Won't you come to the weeping Jesus in your wickedly defiled heart? ... You stinking pile of filth! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote: In Mere Christianity, C.S. Lewis calls pride “The Great Sin” for it “has been the chief cause of misery in every nation and every family since the world began… it was through Pride that the devil became the devil: Pride leads to every other vice.” We see in Walter’s case that it is his pride—an unwillingness to accept normal treatment, a refusal to be a charity case even when faced with his own impending death—that starts him on the path toward manufacturing meth. Pride is the catalyst that leads to all of Walter’s other sins. Read more: 'The Theology of Breaking Bad' http://www.fare-forward.com/the-theology-of-breaking-bad/
