[FairfieldLife] Re: The south aint gonna rise again...

[salyavin808]

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, s3raphita@... wrote :

 Re  I come from a country with a flag that has no negative historical 
connotations whatsoever. : 

 Love it!
 

 

 Re the Confederate flag: to Yanks it often seems to trigger memories of the 
hideous racist slave trade. To me, as a Brit, the flag has always said Rebel. 
So I associate it with rebellion and anti-authoritarianism; the counter-culture 
and going against consensus reality; the sixties upheavals; . . . you get the 
picture. (Hence the Lynyrd Skynyrd clip I posted on another thread (worth a 
look just for the music.) 
 

 The controversy over the rebel flag reminds me of the swastika. Has its Nazi 
appropriation meant that its use today by Hindu and pagan groups can never 
escape those deeply repugnant overtones? 
 

 Absolutely. We should reclaim it. Paint it pink or something.
 

 A common thing you hear is that Hitler turned it round to make a symbol of 
peace into a symbol of hate. Which is a bit silly because he thought he was 
doing the right thing. And it's a symbol of eternity due to it's ever rotating 
nature. He chose it because he thought the Third Reich would last for a 
thousand years. Or is that completely wrong too?
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote :

 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5@... wrote :

 Scapegoating?  Yes, remove that flag.  Removing it now is an important act in 
the play of a large Dharma. Removing that flag is part and parcel of a public 
education in transcendent and inalienable rights in our long culture of equal 
rights for everyone in equal protection under communal law. That the rebel flag 
would be accepted and flown above in any public space of our governance along 
with our larger symbols of national and state flag shows a profound failure of 
some public leadership and education in greater public process and values. It 
is time to remove that old battle flag of ignorance from our public spaces of 
governance. 
 
 
 Flags are just symbols. Everyone knows the country has changed. I'm sure they 
never would have flown it all these years if anyone thought it still 
represented the pre-civil war mentality. So taking it down now because of one 
lonely fruitcake's a-social psychopathology seems daft to me. That's why I 
called it scapegoating. It's just a pretty bit of cloth.
 

 But then maybe i'm incapable of being a fair judge, I come from a country with 
a flag that has no negative historical connotations whatsoever. 
 

 

 

 
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote :

 Let's scapegoat the flag. Someone kills loads of people and likes the flag so 
the flag has to go. I guess that makes a certain twisted sense. And I thought 
the southerners had rehabilitated themselves by claiming slavery was going to 
be abolished anyway? That's Hollywood for you.
 

 I hope I'm still allowed to enjoy the Dukes of Hazzard...
 

 South Carolina governor calls for removal of Confederate flag from statehouse 
http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/jun/22/confederate-flag-south-carolina-charleston

 
 
 
http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/jun/22/confederate-flag-south-carolina-charleston
 
 South Carolina governor calls for removal of Confederate... 
http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/jun/22/confederate-flag-south-carolina-charleston
 Governor Nikki Haley makes abrupt about-face in wake of Charleston killings to 
call for removal of flag that has flown on statehouse grounds for 50 years


 
 View on www.theguardian.com 
http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/jun/22/confederate-flag-south-carolina-charleston
 Preview by Yahoo 
 

 

 








   

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote :

 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5@... wrote :

 Scapegoating?  Yes, remove that flag.  Removing it now is an important act in 
the play of a large Dharma. Removing that flag is part and parcel of a public 
education in transcendent and inalienable rights in our long culture of equal 
rights for everyone in equal protection under communal law. That the rebel flag 
would be accepted and flown above in any public space of our governance along 
with our larger symbols of national and state flag shows a profound failure of 
some public leadership and education in greater public process and values. It 
is time to remove that old battle flag of ignorance from our public spaces of 
governance. 
 
 
 Flags are just symbols. Everyone knows the country has changed. I'm sure they 
never would have flown it all these years if anyone thought it still 
represented the pre-civil war mentality. So taking it down now because of one 
lonely fruitcake's a-social psychopathology seems daft to me. That's why I 
called it scapegoating. It's just a pretty bit of cloth.
 

 But then maybe i'm incapable of being a fair judge, I come from a country with 
a flag that has no negative historical connotations 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The south aint gonna rise again...

[salyavin808]

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote :

 Slight correction - the very first time the Stars and Bars were officially 
raised in the Statehouse was in the House of Representatives Chamber in 1938, 
the Senate followed suit in 1952 - but it was never flown over the State House 
till 1961.

 
 

Thanks for the backstory MJ, I just found it. Very interesting.
 
 From: Mike Dixon mdixon.6569@... [FairfieldLife] 
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Tuesday, June 23, 2015 1:30 PM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The south aint gonna rise again...
 
 
   
 Bingo, should have read your post before posting mine. 
 

 


 From: Michael Jackson mjackson74@... [FairfieldLife] 
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Tuesday, June 23, 2015 10:20 AM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The south aint gonna rise again...
 
 
   
 Now that Judy has had a go at pretending to know something about it,
 

 Here is the real deal on the Confederate flag, at least in SC.
 

 It was put up over the Statehouse (where all the laws are made) in 1961 as 
part of the Centennial Celebration of the Civil War. That is when it was first 
flown Judy, the state legislature officially confirmed it a year later in 1962.
 

 There is a man still alive here in SC who was on the Centennial planning 
committee who said it was put up by a legislative resolution that specified 
what date it was to be raised, but no date was included for taking it down.

 

 After the Centennial celebration was finished no one paid much attention and 
it just stated up. It should be noted that the legislature was all white at 
that time. In retrospect critics claim the real reason the flag was flown was a 
way for white segregationists in the state legislature to mock the federal 
government which was in the process of creating civil rights legislation.
 

 If that was not the original reason, it surely became so as the 1970's blacks 
began to be elected to the state legislature. But, eventually those black 
politicians did what their white counterparts were already doing, and that was 
using the flag for their own ends.
 

 The white lawmakers would bow their backs when people would call for the flag 
removal and do so to curry favor with their redneck constituents, the black 
lawmakers did the same thing, calling for the flag removal to get points with 
their constituents. 
 

 This went on till the 1990's when the NAACP called for the flag removal or 
else they would institute an economic boycott.The white lawmakers particularly 
the really ignorant ones like Jakie Knotts and the real crooks like Glenn 
McConnell laughed it off and said the boycott would have no effect on the 
state. 

 

 They were wrong - people all over the place who had made plans to visit SC for 
various reasons began to cancel their plans conventions were canceled and the 
tourist industry began to really suffer. The merchants and businessmen began to 
scream at the lawmakers to take the flag down, especially those in the 
hotel/motel and restaurant industry. The idiot lawmakers ignored them, till 
they started to get threats of being unseated in their nest bid for reelection 
for not taking it down.
 

 Belatedly big institutions that SHOULD have already called for the flag's 
removal finally joined in like the University of South Carolina. The debate 
raged and the lawmakers showed their true colors - yellow.
 

 A proposal was made to leave it to the people by creating a referendum in the 
next general election. BOTH sides were running scared of such a solution. The 
black and white lawmakers claimed it was too important a decision to leave to 
the people and that it would be too divisive for the people to decide and 
might make folks mad at each other.
 

 The truth is the flag opponents were running scared that all the rednecks 
would come out in great numbers and vote the keep the flag flying high, and the 
flag supporters were afraid all the black voters and their white liberal 
supporters would outnumber the heritage crowd. So they blabbered at each 
other for a while and then came up with a compromise that made no one happy. 
They removed the flag from over the State House dome, but placed it in a place 
of honor on the Statehouse grounds.
 

 The opponents were incensed and so were the supporters that it had been 
removed at all.
 

 Thus it stands today. Coming from such stock, (there is a few years old 
picture of my mother's family reunion where the young children were detailed to 
hold the edges of a really big Confederate battle flag as all the adults stood 
in the background as the pic was taken) I know that a lot of Southern folk 
think the flag stands for Southern heritage and not hate. Dunno exactly what 
that heritage is supposed to be - generally if you ask it goes back to the idea 
of honoring all the brave men who

[FairfieldLife] Re: The south aint gonna rise again...

[authfri...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote :
 
 
 Flags are just symbols. Everyone knows the country has changed. I'm sure they 
never would have flown it all these years if anyone thought it still 
represented the pre-civil war mentality. So taking it down now because of one 
lonely fruitcake's a-social psychopathology seems daft to me. That's why I 
called it scapegoating. It's just a pretty bit of cloth.
 

 But then maybe i'm incapable of being a fair judge, I come from a country with 
a flag that has no negative historical connotations whatsoever.
 

 Unless you're willing to study up on what the Confederate battle flag means to 
the people of this country, you're probably better off leaving the commentary 
to them. (Reading the article you posted would be a good start.)

 

 FYI, there are *many* Americans, sad to say, who revere that flag because, to 
them, it represents the white supremacist pre-Civil War mentality. It was 
originally put up to fly over the state Capitol building in 1962 by those in 
the SC legislature who opposed desegregation, as a cry of defiance. Years later 
it was recognized that this didn't speak well for the state, and it was moved 
to a memorial to Confederate soldiers.
 

 The flag is not being taken down (if it is; that hasn't been decided yet) 
simply because the racist monster who killed nine black people in a church 
liked it. That's the straw the camel stepped on and broke. There has been a 
movement gathering strength for many years to get it off the Capitol grounds 
entirely and into a museum where it belongs.
 

 And yes, it's only symbolic, but it's a very powerful symbol, mostly for ill 
in a country still plagued by racism. For most Americans, it's (very) roughly 
analogous to what the Nazi flag is to most Germans.
 

 What we must not do is assume that getting rid of the Confederate flag also 
gets rid of the racism that motivated the white supremacist murderer. It's just 
a very small step in the right direction, and there's miles to go before we 
sleep.
 

 

  
 

 

 

 
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote :

 Let's scapegoat the flag. Someone kills loads of people and likes the flag so 
the flag has to go. I guess that makes a certain twisted sense. And I thought 
the southerners had rehabilitated themselves by claiming slavery was going to 
be abolished anyway? That's Hollywood for you.
 

 I hope I'm still allowed to enjoy the Dukes of Hazzard...
 

 South Carolina governor calls for removal of Confederate flag from statehouse 
http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/jun/22/confederate-flag-south-carolina-charleston

 
 
 
http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/jun/22/confederate-flag-south-carolina-charleston
 
 South Carolina governor calls for removal of Confederate... 
http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/jun/22/confederate-flag-south-carolina-charleston
 Governor Nikki Haley makes abrupt about-face in wake of Charleston killings to 
call for removal of flag that has flown on statehouse grounds for 50 years


 
 View on www.theguardian.com 
http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/jun/22/confederate-flag-south-carolina-charleston
 Preview by Yahoo 
 

 

 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The south aint gonna rise again...

[Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

Now that Judy has had a go at pretending to know something about it,
Here is the real deal on the Confederate flag, at least in SC.
It was put up over the Statehouse (where all the laws are made) in 1961 as part 
of the Centennial Celebration of the Civil War. That is when it was first flown 
Judy, the state legislature officially confirmed it a year later in 1962.
There is a man still alive here in SC who was on the Centennial planning 
committee who said it was put up by a legislative resolution that specified 
what date it was to be raised, but no date was included for taking it down.
After the Centennial celebration was finished no one paid much attention and it 
just stated up. It should be noted that the legislature was all white at that 
time. In retrospect critics claim the real reason the flag was flown was a way 
for white segregationists in the state legislature to mock the federal 
government which was in the process of creating civil rights legislation.
If that was not the original reason, it surely became so as the 1970's blacks 
began to be elected to the state legislature. But, eventually those black 
politicians did what their white counterparts were already doing, and that was 
using the flag for their own ends.
The white lawmakers would bow their backs when people would call for the flag 
removal and do so to curry favor with their redneck constituents, the black 
lawmakers did the same thing, calling for the flag removal to get points with 
their constituents. 
This went on till the 1990's when the NAACP called for the flag removal or else 
they would institute an economic boycott.The white lawmakers particularly the 
really ignorant ones like Jakie Knotts and the real crooks like Glenn McConnell 
laughed it off and said the boycott would have no effect on the state. 

They were wrong - people all over the place who had made plans to visit SC for 
various reasons began to cancel their plans conventions were canceled and the 
tourist industry began to really suffer. The merchants and businessmen began to 
scream at the lawmakers to take the flag down, especially those in the 
hotel/motel and restaurant industry. The idiot lawmakers ignored them, till 
they started to get threats of being unseated in their nest bid for reelection 
for not taking it down.
Belatedly big institutions that SHOULD have already called for the flag's 
removal finally joined in like the University of South Carolina. The debate 
raged and the lawmakers showed their true colors - yellow.
A proposal was made to leave it to the people by creating a referendum in the 
next general election. BOTH sides were running scared of such a solution. The 
black and white lawmakers claimed it was too important a decision to leave to 
the people and that it would be too divisive for the people to decide and 
might make folks mad at each other.
The truth is the flag opponents were running scared that all the rednecks would 
come out in great numbers and vote the keep the flag flying high, and the flag 
supporters were afraid all the black voters and their white liberal supporters 
would outnumber the heritage crowd. So they blabbered at each other for a 
while and then came up with a compromise that made no one happy. They removed 
the flag from over the State House dome, but placed it in a place of honor on 
the Statehouse grounds.
The opponents were incensed and so were the supporters that it had been removed 
at all.
Thus it stands today. Coming from such stock, (there is a few years old picture 
of my mother's family reunion where the young children were detailed to hold 
the edges of a really big Confederate battle flag as all the adults stood in 
the background as the pic was taken) I know that a lot of Southern folk think 
the flag stands for Southern heritage and not hate. Dunno exactly what that 
heritage is supposed to be - generally if you ask it goes back to the idea of 
honoring all the brave men who stood up to Northern aggression, you know, the 
damn Yankees?
Truth be told, a lot of those Confederates were idiots. Only about 10% of white 
Southerners owned slaves, and nearly half of the white population of the South 
served in the war. That means that the majority of the Confederate soldiers 
were dirt farmers who's direct competition were the slave owning plantation big 
shots. The dirt farmers were fighting to preserve an agricultural system that 
kept them in poverty.
But the bottom line is that no matter how poor and low-down someone is, they 
always feel better if they have someone to look down on, so the dirt farmers 
always had the slaves to feel superior to. For that, they were willing to die.

  From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Tuesday, June 23, 2015 8:04 AM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: The south aint gonna rise again...
   
    


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5@... wrote :

Scapegoating?  Yes, remove that flag.  Removing it now

[FairfieldLife] Re: The south aint gonna rise again...

[awoelfleba...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote :

 
 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote :
 
 

 But then maybe i'm incapable of being a fair judge, I come from a country with 
a flag that has no negative historical connotations whatsoever. 
 

 (-:
 

 Is sal talking about the British flag? That is hilarious. Britain has been 
responsible for more bloodshed, country takeovers and sublimation of indigenous 
peoples than just about any other country on the planet. Maybe he was being 
ironic, I certainly hope so.
 

 

 

 
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote :

 Let's scapegoat the flag. Someone kills loads of people and likes the flag so 
the flag has to go. I guess that makes a certain twisted sense. And I thought 
the southerners had rehabilitated themselves by claiming slavery was going to 
be abolished anyway? That's Hollywood for you.
 

 I hope I'm still allowed to enjoy the Dukes of Hazzard...
 

 South Carolina governor calls for removal of Confederate flag from statehouse 
http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/jun/22/confederate-flag-south-carolina-charleston

 
 
 
http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/jun/22/confederate-flag-south-carolina-charleston
 
 South Carolina governor calls for removal of Confederate... 
http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/jun/22/confederate-flag-south-carolina-charleston
 Governor Nikki Haley makes abrupt about-face in wake of Charleston killings to 
call for removal of flag that has flown on statehouse grounds for 50 years


 
 View on www.theguardian.com 
http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/jun/22/confederate-flag-south-carolina-charleston
 Preview by Yahoo 
 

 

 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The south aint gonna rise again...

[Mike Dixon mdixon.6...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

So, how long will it be before all of those Commonwealth immigrants demand an 
end to the Union Jack?

  From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Tuesday, June 23, 2015 7:04 AM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: The south aint gonna rise again...
   
    


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5@... wrote :

Scapegoating?  Yes, remove that flag.  Removing it now is an important actin 
the play of a large Dharma. Removing that flag is part and parcelof a public 
education in transcendent and inalienable rights in ourlong culture of equal 
rights for everyone in equal protection undercommunal law. That the rebel flag 
would be accepted and flown abovein any public space of our governance along 
with our larger symbolsof national and state flag shows a profound failure of 
some publicleadership and education in greater public process and values. It 
istime to remove that old battle flag of ignorance from our public spaces of 
governance.
Flags are just symbols. Everyone knows the country has changed. I'm sure they 
never would have flown it all these years if anyone thought it still 
represented the pre-civil war mentality. So taking it down now because of one 
lonely fruitcake's a-social psychopathology seems daft to me. That's why I 
called it scapegoating. It's just a pretty bit of cloth.
But then maybe i'm incapable of being a fair judge, I come from a country with 
a flag that has no negative historical connotations whatsoever. 



---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote :

Let's scapegoat the flag. Someone kills loads of people and likes the flag so 
the flag has to go. I guess that makes a certain twisted sense. And I thought 
the southerners had rehabilitated themselves by claiming slavery was going to 
be abolished anyway? That's Hollywood for you.
I hope I'm still allowed to enjoy the Dukes of Hazzard...
South Carolina governor calls for removal of Confederate flag from statehouse

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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The south aint gonna rise again...

[awoelfleba...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mdixon.6569@... wrote :

 You see? Ignorance and bigotry aren't limited to race but can also be 
geographical in nature.
 

 Absolutely, that's part of what I'm sayin' and I'm guilty of it.
 

 From: awoelflebater@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Tuesday, June 23, 2015 8:29 AM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: The south aint gonna rise again...
 
 
   

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5@... wrote :

 Scapegoating?  Yes, remove that flag.  Removing it now is an important act in 
the play of a large Dharma. Removing that flag is part and parcel of a public 
education in transcendent and inalienable rights in our long culture of equal 
rights for everyone in equal protection under communal law. That the rebel flag 
would be accepted and flown above in any public space of our governance along 
with our larger symbols of national and state flag shows a profound failure of 
some public leadership and education in greater public process and values. It 
is time to remove that old battle flag of ignorance from our public spaces of 
governance. 
 

 I have to agree that the Confederate flag is pretty symbolic of ignorance and 
backwater mentality, at least to those who don't choose to display the thing. 
The South has enough trouble being taken seriously and the stereotypes abound 
with regard to the American southern states, including with me. At least the 
Yanks pretend to be more forward thinking and progressive, not living in the 
past romanticizing the time when the rebels fought valiantly for their right to 
slavery and God knows what other aberrational practices. I wonder how many 
Confederate flag waving Southerners would choose to secede from the Union. 
 
 
 

 
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote :

 Let's scapegoat the flag. Someone kills loads of people and likes the flag so 
the flag has to go. I guess that makes a certain twisted sense. And I thought 
the southerners had rehabilitated themselves by claiming slavery was going to 
be abolished anyway? That's Hollywood for you.
 

 I hope I'm still allowed to enjoy the Dukes of Hazzard...
 

 South Carolina governor calls for removal of Confederate flag from statehouse 
http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/jun/22/confederate-flag-south-carolina-charleston

 
 
 
http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/jun/22/confederate-flag-south-carolina-charleston
 
 South Carolina governor calls for removal of Confederate... 
http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/jun/22/confederate-flag-south-carolina-charleston
 Governor Nikki Haley makes abrupt about-face in wake of Charleston killings to 
call for removal of flag that has flown on statehouse grounds for 50 years


 
 View on www.theguardian.com 
http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/jun/22/confederate-flag-south-carolina-charleston
 Preview by Yahoo 
 

 

 






 


 

[FairfieldLife] Re: The south aint gonna rise again...

[steve.sun...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote :
 
 

 But then maybe i'm incapable of being a fair judge, I come from a country with 
a flag that has no negative historical connotations whatsoever. 
 

 (-:
 

 

 

 
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote :

 Let's scapegoat the flag. Someone kills loads of people and likes the flag so 
the flag has to go. I guess that makes a certain twisted sense. And I thought 
the southerners had rehabilitated themselves by claiming slavery was going to 
be abolished anyway? That's Hollywood for you.
 

 I hope I'm still allowed to enjoy the Dukes of Hazzard...
 

 South Carolina governor calls for removal of Confederate flag from statehouse 
http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/jun/22/confederate-flag-south-carolina-charleston

 
 
 
http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/jun/22/confederate-flag-south-carolina-charleston
 
 South Carolina governor calls for removal of Confederate... 
http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/jun/22/confederate-flag-south-carolina-charleston
 Governor Nikki Haley makes abrupt about-face in wake of Charleston killings to 
call for removal of flag that has flown on statehouse grounds for 50 years


 
 View on www.theguardian.com 
http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/jun/22/confederate-flag-south-carolina-charleston
 Preview by Yahoo 
 

 

 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The south aint gonna rise again...

[Mike Dixon mdixon.6...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

You see? Ignorance and bigotry aren't limited to race but can also be 
geographical in nature.

  From: awoelfleba...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] 
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Tuesday, June 23, 2015 8:29 AM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: The south aint gonna rise again...
   
    


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5@... wrote :

Scapegoating?  Yes, remove that flag.  Removing it now is an important actin 
the play of a large Dharma. Removing that flag is part and parcelof a public 
education in transcendent and inalienable rights in ourlong culture of equal 
rights for everyone in equal protection undercommunal law. That the rebel flag 
would be accepted and flown abovein any public space of our governance along 
with our larger symbolsof national and state flag shows a profound failure of 
some publicleadership and education in greater public process and values. It 
istime to remove that old battle flag of ignorance from our public spaces of 
governance.
I have to agree that the Confederate flag is pretty symbolic of ignorance and 
backwater mentality, at least to those who don't choose to display the thing. 
The South has enough trouble being taken seriously and the stereotypes abound 
with regard to the American southern states, including with me. At least the 
Yanks pretend to be more forward thinking and progressive, not living in the 
past romanticizing the time when the rebels fought valiantly for their right to 
slavery and God knows what other aberrational practices. I wonder how many 
Confederate flag waving Southerners would choose to secede from the Union. 


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote :

Let's scapegoat the flag. Someone kills loads of people and likes the flag so 
the flag has to go. I guess that makes a certain twisted sense. And I thought 
the southerners had rehabilitated themselves by claiming slavery was going to 
be abolished anyway? That's Hollywood for you.
I hope I'm still allowed to enjoy the Dukes of Hazzard...
South Carolina governor calls for removal of Confederate flag from statehouse

|  |
|  | |  | South Carolina governor calls for removal of Confederate... 
Governor Nikki Haley makes abrupt about-face in wake of Charleston killings to 
call for removal of flag that has flown on statehouse grounds for 50 years |  |
| View on www.theguardian.com|   Preview by Yahoo  |
|  |



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[FairfieldLife] Re: The south aint gonna rise again...

[awoelfleba...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5@... wrote :

 Scapegoating?  Yes, remove that flag.  Removing it now is an important act in 
the play of a large Dharma. Removing that flag is part and parcel of a public 
education in transcendent and inalienable rights in our long culture of equal 
rights for everyone in equal protection under communal law. That the rebel flag 
would be accepted and flown above in any public space of our governance along 
with our larger symbols of national and state flag shows a profound failure of 
some public leadership and education in greater public process and values. It 
is time to remove that old battle flag of ignorance from our public spaces of 
governance. 
 

 I have to agree that the Confederate flag is pretty symbolic of ignorance and 
backwater mentality, at least to those who don't choose to display the thing. 
The South has enough trouble being taken seriously and the stereotypes abound 
with regard to the American southern states, including with me. At least the 
Yanks pretend to be more forward thinking and progressive, not living in the 
past romanticizing the time when the rebels fought valiantly for their right to 
slavery and God knows what other aberrational practices. I wonder how many 
Confederate flag waving Southerners would choose to secede from the Union. 
 
 
 

 
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote :

 Let's scapegoat the flag. Someone kills loads of people and likes the flag so 
the flag has to go. I guess that makes a certain twisted sense. And I thought 
the southerners had rehabilitated themselves by claiming slavery was going to 
be abolished anyway? That's Hollywood for you.
 

 I hope I'm still allowed to enjoy the Dukes of Hazzard...
 

 South Carolina governor calls for removal of Confederate flag from statehouse 
http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/jun/22/confederate-flag-south-carolina-charleston

 
 
 
http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/jun/22/confederate-flag-south-carolina-charleston
 
 South Carolina governor calls for removal of Confederate... 
http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/jun/22/confederate-flag-south-carolina-charleston
 Governor Nikki Haley makes abrupt about-face in wake of Charleston killings to 
call for removal of flag that has flown on statehouse grounds for 50 years


 
 View on www.theguardian.com 
http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/jun/22/confederate-flag-south-carolina-charleston
 Preview by Yahoo 
 

 

 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The south aint gonna rise again...

[Mike Dixon mdixon.6...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

The  Confederate battle flag is meant to be a variation of the Scottish St. 
Andrews Cross flag. It was designed because the national flag of the 
Confederacy looked too much like the American flag at a distance and Union and 
Confederate soldiers uniforms were very similar at first.This caused confusion 
and friendly- fire on the battle field.

  From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Tuesday, June 23, 2015 7:04 AM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: The south aint gonna rise again...
   
    


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5@... wrote :

Scapegoating?  Yes, remove that flag.  Removing it now is an important actin 
the play of a large Dharma. Removing that flag is part and parcelof a public 
education in transcendent and inalienable rights in ourlong culture of equal 
rights for everyone in equal protection undercommunal law. That the rebel flag 
would be accepted and flown abovein any public space of our governance along 
with our larger symbolsof national and state flag shows a profound failure of 
some publicleadership and education in greater public process and values. It 
istime to remove that old battle flag of ignorance from our public spaces of 
governance.
Flags are just symbols. Everyone knows the country has changed. I'm sure they 
never would have flown it all these years if anyone thought it still 
represented the pre-civil war mentality. So taking it down now because of one 
lonely fruitcake's a-social psychopathology seems daft to me. That's why I 
called it scapegoating. It's just a pretty bit of cloth.
But then maybe i'm incapable of being a fair judge, I come from a country with 
a flag that has no negative historical connotations whatsoever. 



---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote :

Let's scapegoat the flag. Someone kills loads of people and likes the flag so 
the flag has to go. I guess that makes a certain twisted sense. And I thought 
the southerners had rehabilitated themselves by claiming slavery was going to 
be abolished anyway? That's Hollywood for you.
I hope I'm still allowed to enjoy the Dukes of Hazzard...
South Carolina governor calls for removal of Confederate flag from statehouse

|  |
|  | |  | South Carolina governor calls for removal of Confederate... 
Governor Nikki Haley makes abrupt about-face in wake of Charleston killings to 
call for removal of flag that has flown on statehouse grounds for 50 years |  |
| View on www.theguardian.com|   Preview by Yahoo  |
|  |



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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The south aint gonna rise again...

[Mike Dixon mdixon.6...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

Right, the Battle flag is a symbol to white supremacist and only white 
supremacists are responsible for that. The Klan hi-jacked something that didn't 
belong to them. They also hi-jacked the flaming cross, a symbol of the United 
Methodist church. Nazis hi-jacked the swastika, something sacred to many other 
people around the world.

  From: authfri...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] 
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Tuesday, June 23, 2015 11:14 AM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The south aint gonna rise again...
   
    
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote :

Now that Judy has had a go at pretending to know something about it,
Um, I don't pretend to know anything more about the history of the 
Confederate battle flag flying on statehouse grounds in SC than I've read 
about. Looks like I was one year off about when it was first flown over the 
Capitol--which is about all I said concerning the history; people may agree to 
disagree about the real motivation for putting it up.
In any case, the specific history of that particular flag in SC is a lot less 
important than how the Confederate flag generally functions as a symbol these 
days and how it relates to the racist massacre in Charleston. Anybody who 
thinks the flag isn't a symbol of white supremacism for too damn many people is 
just ignorant.
But thanks for all the details.
Here is the real deal on the Confederate flag, at least in SC.
It was put up over the Statehouse (where all the laws are made) in 1961 as part 
of the Centennial Celebration of the Civil War. That is when it was first flown 
Judy, the state legislature officially confirmed it a year later in 1962.
There is a man still alive here in SC who was on the Centennial planning 
committee who said it was put up by a legislative resolution that specified 
what date it was to be raised, but no date was included for taking it down.
After the Centennial celebration was finished no one paid much attention and it 
just stated up. It should be noted that the legislature was all white at that 
time. In retrospect critics claim the real reason the flag was flown was a way 
for white segregationists in the state legislature to mock the federal 
government which was in the process of creating civil rights legislation.
If that was not the original reason, it surely became so as the 1970's blacks 
began to be elected to the state legislature. But, eventually those black 
politicians did what their white counterparts were already doing, and that was 
using the flag for their own ends.
The white lawmakers would bow their backs when people would call for the flag 
removal and do so to curry favor with their redneck constituents, the black 
lawmakers did the same thing, calling for the flag removal to get points with 
their constituents. 
This went on till the 1990's when the NAACP called for the flag removal or else 
they would institute an economic boycott.The white lawmakers particularly the 
really ignorant ones like Jakie Knotts and the real crooks like Glenn McConnell 
laughed it off and said the boycott would have no effect on the state. 

They were wrong - people all over the place who had made plans to visit SC for 
various reasons began to cancel their plans conventions were canceled and the 
tourist industry began to really suffer. The merchants and businessmen began to 
scream at the lawmakers to take the flag down, especially those in the 
hotel/motel and restaurant industry. The idiot lawmakers ignored them, till 
they started to get threats of being unseated in their nest bid for reelection 
for not taking it down.
Belatedly big institutions that SHOULD have already called for the flag's 
removal finally joined in like the University of South Carolina. The debate 
raged and the lawmakers showed their true colors - yellow.
A proposal was made to leave it to the people by creating a referendum in the 
next general election. BOTH sides were running scared of such a solution. The 
black and white lawmakers claimed it was too important a decision to leave to 
the people and that it would be too divisive for the people to decide and 
might make folks mad at each other.
The truth is the flag opponents were running scared that all the rednecks would 
come out in great numbers and vote the keep the flag flying high, and the flag 
supporters were afraid all the black voters and their white liberal supporters 
would outnumber the heritage crowd. So they blabbered at each other for a 
while and then came up with a compromise that made no one happy. They removed 
the flag from over the State House dome, but placed it in a place of honor on 
the Statehouse grounds.
The opponents were incensed and so were the supporters that it had been removed 
at all.
Thus it stands today. Coming from such stock, (there is a few years old picture 
of my mother's family reunion where the young children were detailed to hold 
the edges of a really big

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The south aint gonna rise again...

[authfri...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

 of the white population of the 
South served in the war. That means that the majority of the Confederate 
soldiers were dirt farmers who's direct competition were the slave owning 
plantation big shots. The dirt farmers were fighting to preserve an 
agricultural system that kept them in poverty.
 

 But the bottom line is that no matter how poor and low-down someone is, they 
always feel better if they have someone to look down on, so the dirt farmers 
always had the slaves to feel superior to. For that, they were willing to die.


 

 From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Tuesday, June 23, 2015 8:04 AM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: The south aint gonna rise again...
 
 
   

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5@... wrote :

 Scapegoating?  Yes, remove that flag.  Removing it now is an important act in 
the play of a large Dharma. Removing that flag is part and parcel of a public 
education in transcendent and inalienable rights in our long culture of equal 
rights for everyone in equal protection under communal law. That the rebel flag 
would be accepted and flown above in any public space of our governance along 
with our larger symbols of national and state flag shows a profound failure of 
some public leadership and education in greater public process and values. It 
is time to remove that old battle flag of ignorance from our public spaces of 
governance. 
 
 
 Flags are just symbols. Everyone knows the country has changed. I'm sure they 
never would have flown it all these years if anyone thought it still 
represented the pre-civil war mentality. So taking it down now because of one 
lonely fruitcake's a-social psychopathology seems daft to me. That's why I 
called it scapegoating. It's just a pretty bit of cloth.
 

 But then maybe i'm incapable of being a fair judge, I come from a country with 
a flag that has no negative historical connotations whatsoever. 
 

 

 

 
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote :

 Let's scapegoat the flag. Someone kills loads of people and likes the flag so 
the flag has to go. I guess that makes a certain twisted sense. And I thought 
the southerners had rehabilitated themselves by claiming slavery was going to 
be abolished anyway? That's Hollywood for you.
 

 I hope I'm still allowed to enjoy the Dukes of Hazzard...
 

 South Carolina governor calls for removal of Confederate flag from statehouse 
http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/jun/22/confederate-flag-south-carolina-charleston

 
 
 
http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/jun/22/confederate-flag-south-carolina-charleston
 
 South Carolina governor calls for removal of Confederate... 
http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/jun/22/confederate-flag-south-carolina-charleston
 Governor Nikki Haley makes abrupt about-face in wake of Charleston killings to 
call for removal of flag that has flown on statehouse grounds for 50 years


 
 View on www.theguardian.com 
http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/jun/22/confederate-flag-south-carolina-charleston
 Preview by Yahoo 
 

 

 






 



 

[FairfieldLife] Re: The south aint gonna rise again...

[salyavin808]

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote :

 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote :
 
 
 Flags are just symbols. Everyone knows the country has changed. I'm sure they 
never would have flown it all these years if anyone thought it still 
represented the pre-civil war mentality. So taking it down now because of one 
lonely fruitcake's a-social psychopathology seems daft to me. That's why I 
called it scapegoating. It's just a pretty bit of cloth.
 

 But then maybe i'm incapable of being a fair judge, I come from a country with 
a flag that has no negative historical connotations whatsoever.
 

 Unless you're willing to study up on what the Confederate battle flag means to 
the people of this country, you're probably better off leaving the commentary 
to them. (Reading the article you posted would be a good start.)

 

 I was just setting myself up for a little joke actually. Sorry you didn't get 
it.
 

 

 

 

 
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote :

 Let's scapegoat the flag. Someone kills loads of people and likes the flag so 
the flag has to go. I guess that makes a certain twisted sense. And I thought 
the southerners had rehabilitated themselves by claiming slavery was going to 
be abolished anyway? That's Hollywood for you.
 

 I hope I'm still allowed to enjoy the Dukes of Hazzard...
 

 South Carolina governor calls for removal of Confederate flag from statehouse 
http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/jun/22/confederate-flag-south-carolina-charleston

 
 
 
http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/jun/22/confederate-flag-south-carolina-charleston
 
 South Carolina governor calls for removal of Confederate... 
http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/jun/22/confederate-flag-south-carolina-charleston
 Governor Nikki Haley makes abrupt about-face in wake of Charleston killings to 
call for removal of flag that has flown on statehouse grounds for 50 years


 
 View on www.theguardian.com 
http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/jun/22/confederate-flag-south-carolina-charleston
 Preview by Yahoo 
 

 

 

[FairfieldLife] Re: The south aint gonna rise again...

[salyavin808]

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote :

 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote :

 
 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote :
 
 

 But then maybe i'm incapable of being a fair judge, I come from a country with 
a flag that has no negative historical connotations whatsoever. 
 

 (-:
 

 Is sal talking about the British flag? That is hilarious. Britain has been 
responsible for more bloodshed, country takeovers and sublimation of indigenous 
peoples than just about any other country on the planet. Maybe he was being 
ironic, I certainly hope so.
 

 Duh
 

 
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote :

 Let's scapegoat the flag. Someone kills loads of people and likes the flag so 
the flag has to go. I guess that makes a certain twisted sense. And I thought 
the southerners had rehabilitated themselves by claiming slavery was going to 
be abolished anyway? That's Hollywood for you.
 

 I hope I'm still allowed to enjoy the Dukes of Hazzard...
 

 South Carolina governor calls for removal of Confederate flag from statehouse 
http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/jun/22/confederate-flag-south-carolina-charleston

 
 
 
http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/jun/22/confederate-flag-south-carolina-charleston
 
 South Carolina governor calls for removal of Confederate... 
http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/jun/22/confederate-flag-south-carolina-charleston
 Governor Nikki Haley makes abrupt about-face in wake of Charleston killings to 
call for removal of flag that has flown on statehouse grounds for 50 years


 
 View on www.theguardian.com 
http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/jun/22/confederate-flag-south-carolina-charleston
 Preview by Yahoo 
 

 

 

[FairfieldLife] Re: The south aint gonna rise again...

[salyavin808]

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote :

 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote :

 
 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote :
 
 

 But then maybe i'm incapable of being a fair judge, I come from a country with 
a flag that has no negative historical connotations whatsoever. 
 

 (-:
 

 Is sal talking about the British flag? That is hilarious. Britain has been 
responsible for more bloodshed, country takeovers and sublimation of indigenous 
peoples than just about any other country on the planet. Maybe he was being 
ironic, I certainly hope so.
 

  I could have put money on you not getting it.
 

 

 
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote :

 Let's scapegoat the flag. Someone kills loads of people and likes the flag so 
the flag has to go. I guess that makes a certain twisted sense. And I thought 
the southerners had rehabilitated themselves by claiming slavery was going to 
be abolished anyway? That's Hollywood for you.
 

 I hope I'm still allowed to enjoy the Dukes of Hazzard...
 

 South Carolina governor calls for removal of Confederate flag from statehouse 
http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/jun/22/confederate-flag-south-carolina-charleston

 
 
 
http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/jun/22/confederate-flag-south-carolina-charleston
 
 South Carolina governor calls for removal of Confederate... 
http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/jun/22/confederate-flag-south-carolina-charleston
 Governor Nikki Haley makes abrupt about-face in wake of Charleston killings to 
call for removal of flag that has flown on statehouse grounds for 50 years


 
 View on www.theguardian.com 
http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/jun/22/confederate-flag-south-carolina-charleston
 Preview by Yahoo 
 

 

 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The south aint gonna rise again...

[Mike Dixon mdixon.6...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

Bingo, should have read your post before posting mine. 

  From: Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] 
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Tuesday, June 23, 2015 10:20 AM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The south aint gonna rise again...
   
    Now that Judy has had a go at pretending to know something about it,
Here is the real deal on the Confederate flag, at least in SC.
It was put up over the Statehouse (where all the laws are made) in 1961 as part 
of the Centennial Celebration of the Civil War. That is when it was first flown 
Judy, the state legislature officially confirmed it a year later in 1962.
There is a man still alive here in SC who was on the Centennial planning 
committee who said it was put up by a legislative resolution that specified 
what date it was to be raised, but no date was included for taking it down.
After the Centennial celebration was finished no one paid much attention and it 
just stated up. It should be noted that the legislature was all white at that 
time. In retrospect critics claim the real reason the flag was flown was a way 
for white segregationists in the state legislature to mock the federal 
government which was in the process of creating civil rights legislation.
If that was not the original reason, it surely became so as the 1970's blacks 
began to be elected to the state legislature. But, eventually those black 
politicians did what their white counterparts were already doing, and that was 
using the flag for their own ends.
The white lawmakers would bow their backs when people would call for the flag 
removal and do so to curry favor with their redneck constituents, the black 
lawmakers did the same thing, calling for the flag removal to get points with 
their constituents. 
This went on till the 1990's when the NAACP called for the flag removal or else 
they would institute an economic boycott.The white lawmakers particularly the 
really ignorant ones like Jakie Knotts and the real crooks like Glenn McConnell 
laughed it off and said the boycott would have no effect on the state. 

They were wrong - people all over the place who had made plans to visit SC for 
various reasons began to cancel their plans conventions were canceled and the 
tourist industry began to really suffer. The merchants and businessmen began to 
scream at the lawmakers to take the flag down, especially those in the 
hotel/motel and restaurant industry. The idiot lawmakers ignored them, till 
they started to get threats of being unseated in their nest bid for reelection 
for not taking it down.
Belatedly big institutions that SHOULD have already called for the flag's 
removal finally joined in like the University of South Carolina. The debate 
raged and the lawmakers showed their true colors - yellow.
A proposal was made to leave it to the people by creating a referendum in the 
next general election. BOTH sides were running scared of such a solution. The 
black and white lawmakers claimed it was too important a decision to leave to 
the people and that it would be too divisive for the people to decide and 
might make folks mad at each other.
The truth is the flag opponents were running scared that all the rednecks would 
come out in great numbers and vote the keep the flag flying high, and the flag 
supporters were afraid all the black voters and their white liberal supporters 
would outnumber the heritage crowd. So they blabbered at each other for a 
while and then came up with a compromise that made no one happy. They removed 
the flag from over the State House dome, but placed it in a place of honor on 
the Statehouse grounds.
The opponents were incensed and so were the supporters that it had been removed 
at all.
Thus it stands today. Coming from such stock, (there is a few years old picture 
of my mother's family reunion where the young children were detailed to hold 
the edges of a really big Confederate battle flag as all the adults stood in 
the background as the pic was taken) I know that a lot of Southern folk think 
the flag stands for Southern heritage and not hate. Dunno exactly what that 
heritage is supposed to be - generally if you ask it goes back to the idea of 
honoring all the brave men who stood up to Northern aggression, you know, the 
damn Yankees?
Truth be told, a lot of those Confederates were idiots. Only about 10% of white 
Southerners owned slaves, and nearly half of the white population of the South 
served in the war. That means that the majority of the Confederate soldiers 
were dirt farmers who's direct competition were the slave owning plantation big 
shots. The dirt farmers were fighting to preserve an agricultural system that 
kept them in poverty.
But the bottom line is that no matter how poor and low-down someone is, they 
always feel better if they have someone to look down on, so the dirt farmers 
always had the slaves to feel superior to. For that, they were

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The south aint gonna rise again...

[Mike Dixon mdixon.6...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

Judy FYI, I also heard Eugene Robinson and Chuck Todd declare that The 
Confederate flag was raised over the SC capitol in defiance of the civil rights 
movement in 1961. While I haven't researched that, I have my doubts. It's a 
good sound bite.  South Carolina was the first state to secede from the Union 
and that vote came in December of 1860. The first shots of the war were at Fort 
Sumter about April 12, 1861. In 1961 most of the South was preparing to 
recognize the centennial of the War Between the States or the War of Northern 
Aggression as we frequently refer to it as. The civil rights movement had not 
really taken off * big time* when SC raised the flag over the capitol. I think 
that SC was recognizing it's  historic roll in the centennial. News papers 
through out the south gave daily reports of battles and issues as they would 
occur during the war. My mother began to teach me about my Great Grandfathers 
exploits as 1st Lt. of company E of the Mississippi 22nd infantry. Schools 
would say the pledge in the morning followed by the National anthem one day and 
Dixie the next. It was a time when everybody learned about their heritage. I 
think Chick Todd and Eugene were either misinformed or pulling a *Brian 
Williams* on everybody. BTW, good to see you back. Was worried about your 
absence.

  From: authfri...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] 
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Tuesday, June 23, 2015 9:52 AM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: The south aint gonna rise again...
   
    


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote :

Flags are just symbols. Everyone knows the country has changed. I'm sure they 
never would have flown it all these years if anyone thought it still 
represented the pre-civil war mentality. So taking it down now because of one 
lonely fruitcake's a-social psychopathology seems daft to me. That's why I 
called it scapegoating. It's just a pretty bit of cloth.
But then maybe i'm incapable of being a fair judge, I come from a country with 
a flag that has no negative historical connotations whatsoever.
Unless you're willing to study up on what the Confederate battle flag means to 
the people of this country, you're probably better off leaving the commentary 
to them. (Reading the article you posted would be a good start.)

FYI, there are *many* Americans, sad to say, who revere that flag because, to 
them, it represents the white supremacist pre-Civil War mentality. It was 
originally put up to fly over the state Capitol building in 1962 by those in 
the SC legislature who opposed desegregation, as a cry of defiance. Years later 
it was recognized that this didn't speak well for the state, and it was moved 
to a memorial to Confederate soldiers.
The flag is not being taken down (if it is; that hasn't been decided yet) 
simply because the racist monster who killed nine black people in a church 
liked it. That's the straw the camel stepped on and broke. There has been a 
movement gathering strength for many years to get it off the Capitol grounds 
entirely and into a museum where it belongs.
And yes, it's only symbolic, but it's a very powerful symbol, mostly for ill in 
a country still plagued by racism. For most Americans, it's (very) roughly 
analogous to what the Nazi flag is to most Germans.
What we must not do is assume that getting rid of the Confederate flag also 
gets rid of the racism that motivated the white supremacist murderer. It's just 
a very small step in the right direction, and there's miles to go before we 
sleep.

 



---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote :

Let's scapegoat the flag. Someone kills loads of people and likes the flag so 
the flag has to go. I guess that makes a certain twisted sense. And I thought 
the southerners had rehabilitated themselves by claiming slavery was going to 
be abolished anyway? That's Hollywood for you.
I hope I'm still allowed to enjoy the Dukes of Hazzard...
South Carolina governor calls for removal of Confederate flag from statehouse

|  |
|  | |  | South Carolina governor calls for removal of Confederate... 
Governor Nikki Haley makes abrupt about-face in wake of Charleston killings to 
call for removal of flag that has flown on statehouse grounds for 50 years |  |
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[FairfieldLife] Re: The south aint gonna rise again...

[s3raph...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

Re  I come from a country with a flag that has no negative historical 
connotations whatsoever. : 

 Love it!
 

 

 Re the Confederate flag: to Yanks it often seems to trigger memories of the 
hideous racist slave trade. To me, as a Brit, the flag has always said Rebel. 
So I associate it with rebellion and anti-authoritarianism; the counter-culture 
and going against consensus reality; the sixties upheavals; . . . you get the 
picture. (Hence the Lynyrd Skynyrd clip I posted on another thread (worth a 
look just for the music.) 
 

 The controversy over the rebel flag reminds me of the swastika. Has its Nazi 
appropriation meant that its use today by Hindu and pagan groups can never 
escape those deeply repugnant overtones? 
 

 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote :

 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5@... wrote :

 Scapegoating?  Yes, remove that flag.  Removing it now is an important act in 
the play of a large Dharma. Removing that flag is part and parcel of a public 
education in transcendent and inalienable rights in our long culture of equal 
rights for everyone in equal protection under communal law. That the rebel flag 
would be accepted and flown above in any public space of our governance along 
with our larger symbols of national and state flag shows a profound failure of 
some public leadership and education in greater public process and values. It 
is time to remove that old battle flag of ignorance from our public spaces of 
governance. 
 
 
 Flags are just symbols. Everyone knows the country has changed. I'm sure they 
never would have flown it all these years if anyone thought it still 
represented the pre-civil war mentality. So taking it down now because of one 
lonely fruitcake's a-social psychopathology seems daft to me. That's why I 
called it scapegoating. It's just a pretty bit of cloth.
 

 But then maybe i'm incapable of being a fair judge, I come from a country with 
a flag that has no negative historical connotations whatsoever. 
 

 

 

 
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote :

 Let's scapegoat the flag. Someone kills loads of people and likes the flag so 
the flag has to go. I guess that makes a certain twisted sense. And I thought 
the southerners had rehabilitated themselves by claiming slavery was going to 
be abolished anyway? That's Hollywood for you.
 

 I hope I'm still allowed to enjoy the Dukes of Hazzard...
 

 South Carolina governor calls for removal of Confederate flag from statehouse 
http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/jun/22/confederate-flag-south-carolina-charleston

 
 
 
http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/jun/22/confederate-flag-south-carolina-charleston
 
 South Carolina governor calls for removal of Confederate... 
http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/jun/22/confederate-flag-south-carolina-charleston
 Governor Nikki Haley makes abrupt about-face in wake of Charleston killings to 
call for removal of flag that has flown on statehouse grounds for 50 years


 
 View on www.theguardian.com 
http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/jun/22/confederate-flag-south-carolina-charleston
 Preview by Yahoo 
 

 

 








   

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote :

 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5@... wrote :

 Scapegoating?  Yes, remove that flag.  Removing it now is an important act in 
the play of a large Dharma. Removing that flag is part and parcel of a public 
education in transcendent and inalienable rights in our long culture of equal 
rights for everyone in equal protection under communal law. That the rebel flag 
would be accepted and flown above in any public space of our governance along 
with our larger symbols of national and state flag shows a profound failure of 
some public leadership and education in greater public process and values. It 
is time to remove that old battle flag of ignorance from our public spaces of 
governance. 
 
 
 Flags are just symbols. Everyone knows the country has changed. I'm sure they 
never would have flown it all these years if anyone thought it still 
represented the pre-civil war mentality. So taking it down now because of one 
lonely fruitcake's a-social psychopathology seems daft to me. That's why I 
called it scapegoating. It's just a pretty bit of cloth.
 

 But then maybe i'm incapable of being a fair judge, I come from a country with 
a flag that has no negative historical connotations whatsoever. 
 

 

 

 
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote :

 Let's scapegoat the flag. Someone kills loads of people and likes the flag so 
the flag has to go. I guess that makes a certain twisted sense. And I thought 
the southerners had rehabilitated themselves by claiming slavery was going to 
be abolished anyway? That's Hollywood for you.
 

 I hope I'm still allowed to enjoy the Dukes of Hazzard...
 

 South Carolina governor calls for 

[FairfieldLife] Re: The south aint gonna rise again...

[awoelfleba...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote :

 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote :

 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote :

 
 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote :
 
 

 But then maybe i'm incapable of being a fair judge, I come from a country with 
a flag that has no negative historical connotations whatsoever. 
 

 (-:
 

 Is sal talking about the British flag? That is hilarious. Britain has been 
responsible for more bloodshed, country takeovers and sublimation of indigenous 
peoples than just about any other country on the planet. Maybe he was being 
ironic, I certainly hope so.
 

 Duh
 

 While you are making progress, you don't seem to be up to the same writing 
standard as Edg. However, a three letter word here is a start.

 

 
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote :

 Let's scapegoat the flag. Someone kills loads of people and likes the flag so 
the flag has to go. I guess that makes a certain twisted sense. And I thought 
the southerners had rehabilitated themselves by claiming slavery was going to 
be abolished anyway? That's Hollywood for you.
 

 I hope I'm still allowed to enjoy the Dukes of Hazzard...
 

 South Carolina governor calls for removal of Confederate flag from statehouse 
http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/jun/22/confederate-flag-south-carolina-charleston

 
 
 
http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/jun/22/confederate-flag-south-carolina-charleston
 
 South Carolina governor calls for removal of Confederate... 
http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/jun/22/confederate-flag-south-carolina-charleston
 Governor Nikki Haley makes abrupt about-face in wake of Charleston killings to 
call for removal of flag that has flown on statehouse grounds for 50 years


 
 View on www.theguardian.com 
http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/jun/22/confederate-flag-south-carolina-charleston
 Preview by Yahoo 
 

 

 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The south aint gonna rise again...

[Mike Dixon mdixon.6...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

You've got it right. Another good rebel song is Tom Petty's Won't Back Down..

   

   From: s3raph...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Tuesday, June 23, 2015 3:47 PM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: The south aint gonna rise again...
   
    Re  I come from a country with a flag that has no negative historical 
connotations whatsoever. :
Love it!

Re the Confederate flag: to Yanks it often seems to trigger memories of the 
hideous racist slave trade. To me, as a Brit, the flag has always said Rebel. 
So I associate it with rebellion and anti-authoritarianism; the counter-culture 
and going against consensus reality; the sixties upheavals; . . . you get the 
picture. (Hence the Lynyrd Skynyrd clip I posted on another thread (worth a 
look just for the music.) 
The controversy over the rebel flag reminds me of the swastika. Has its Nazi 
appropriation meant that its use today by Hindu and pagan groups can never 
escape those deeply repugnant overtones? 





---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote :




---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5@... wrote :

Scapegoating?  Yes, remove that flag.  Removing it now is an important actin 
the play of a large Dharma. Removing that flag is part and parcelof a public 
education in transcendent and inalienable rights in ourlong culture of equal 
rights for everyone in equal protection undercommunal law. That the rebel flag 
would be accepted and flown abovein any public space of our governance along 
with our larger symbolsof national and state flag shows a profound failure of 
some publicleadership and education in greater public process and values. It 
istime to remove that old battle flag of ignorance from our public spaces of 
governance.
Flags are just symbols. Everyone knows the country has changed. I'm sure they 
never would have flown it all these years if anyone thought it still 
represented the pre-civil war mentality. So taking it down now because of one 
lonely fruitcake's a-social psychopathology seems daft to me. That's why I 
called it scapegoating. It's just a pretty bit of cloth.
But then maybe i'm incapable of being a fair judge, I come from a country with 
a flag that has no negative historical connotations whatsoever. 



---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote :

Let's scapegoat the flag. Someone kills loads of people and likes the flag so 
the flag has to go. I guess that makes a certain twisted sense. And I thought 
the southerners had rehabilitated themselves by claiming slavery was going to 
be abolished anyway? That's Hollywood for you.
I hope I'm still allowed to enjoy the Dukes of Hazzard...
South Carolina governor calls for removal of Confederate flag from statehouse

|  |
|  | |  | South Carolina governor calls for removal of Confederate... 
Governor Nikki Haley makes abrupt about-face in wake of Charleston killings to 
call for removal of flag that has flown on statehouse grounds for 50 years |  |
| View on www.theguardian.com|   Preview by Yahoo  |
|  |



 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote :




---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5@... wrote :

Scapegoating?  Yes, remove that flag.  Removing it now is an important actin 
the play of a large Dharma. Removing that flag is part and parcelof a public 
education in transcendent and inalienable rights in ourlong culture of equal 
rights for everyone in equal protection undercommunal law. That the rebel flag 
would be accepted and flown abovein any public space of our governance along 
with our larger symbolsof national and state flag shows a profound failure of 
some publicleadership and education in greater public process and values. It 
istime to remove that old battle flag of ignorance from our public spaces of 
governance.
Flags are just symbols. Everyone knows the country has changed. I'm sure they 
never would have flown it all these years if anyone thought it still 
represented the pre-civil war mentality. So taking it down now because of one 
lonely fruitcake's a-social psychopathology seems daft to me. That's why I 
called it scapegoating. It's just a pretty bit of cloth.
But then maybe i'm incapable of being a fair judge, I come from a country with 
a flag that has no negative historical connotations whatsoever. 



---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote :

Let's scapegoat the flag. Someone kills loads of people and likes the flag so 
the flag has to go. I guess that makes a certain twisted sense. And I thought 
the southerners had rehabilitated themselves by claiming slavery was going to 
be abolished anyway? That's Hollywood for you.
I hope I'm still allowed to enjoy the Dukes of Hazzard...
South Carolina governor calls for removal of Confederate flag from statehouse

|  |
|  | |  | South Carolina governor calls for removal of Confederate

[FairfieldLife] Re: The south aint gonna rise again...

[salyavin808]

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5@... wrote :

 Scapegoating?  Yes, remove that flag.  Removing it now is an important act in 
the play of a large Dharma. Removing that flag is part and parcel of a public 
education in transcendent and inalienable rights in our long culture of equal 
rights for everyone in equal protection under communal law. That the rebel flag 
would be accepted and flown above in any public space of our governance along 
with our larger symbols of national and state flag shows a profound failure of 
some public leadership and education in greater public process and values. It 
is time to remove that old battle flag of ignorance from our public spaces of 
governance. 
 
 
 Flags are just symbols. Everyone knows the country has changed. I'm sure they 
never would have flown it all these years if anyone thought it still 
represented the pre-civil war mentality. So taking it down now because of one 
lonely fruitcake's a-social psychopathology seems daft to me. That's why I 
called it scapegoating. It's just a pretty bit of cloth.
 

 But then maybe i'm incapable of being a fair judge, I come from a country with 
a flag that has no negative historical connotations whatsoever. 
 

 

 

 
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote :

 Let's scapegoat the flag. Someone kills loads of people and likes the flag so 
the flag has to go. I guess that makes a certain twisted sense. And I thought 
the southerners had rehabilitated themselves by claiming slavery was going to 
be abolished anyway? That's Hollywood for you.
 

 I hope I'm still allowed to enjoy the Dukes of Hazzard...
 

 South Carolina governor calls for removal of Confederate flag from statehouse 
http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/jun/22/confederate-flag-south-carolina-charleston

 
 
 
http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/jun/22/confederate-flag-south-carolina-charleston
 
 South Carolina governor calls for removal of Confederate... 
http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/jun/22/confederate-flag-south-carolina-charleston
 Governor Nikki Haley makes abrupt about-face in wake of Charleston killings to 
call for removal of flag that has flown on statehouse grounds for 50 years


 
 View on www.theguardian.com 
http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/jun/22/confederate-flag-south-carolina-charleston
 Preview by Yahoo 
 

 

 

[FairfieldLife] Re: The south aint gonna rise again...

[dhamiltony...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

Scapegoating?  Yes, remove that flag.  Removing it now is an important act in 
the play of a large Dharma. Removing that flag is part and parcel of a public 
education in transcendent and inalienable rights in our long culture of equal 
rights for everyone in equal protection under communal law. That the rebel flag 
would be accepted and flown above in any public space of our governance along 
with our larger symbols of national and state flag shows a profound failure of 
some public leadership and education in greater public process and values. It 
is time to remove that old battle flag of ignorance from our public spaces of 
governance. 
 
 
 

 
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote :

 Let's scapegoat the flag. Someone kills loads of people and likes the flag so 
the flag has to go. I guess that makes a certain twisted sense. And I thought 
the southerners had rehabilitated themselves by claiming slavery was going to 
be abolished anyway? That's Hollywood for you.
 

 I hope I'm still allowed to enjoy the Dukes of Hazzard...
 

 South Carolina governor calls for removal of Confederate flag from statehouse 
http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/jun/22/confederate-flag-south-carolina-charleston

 
 
 
http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/jun/22/confederate-flag-south-carolina-charleston
 
 South Carolina governor calls for removal of Confederate... 
http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/jun/22/confederate-flag-south-carolina-charleston
 Governor Nikki Haley makes abrupt about-face in wake of Charleston killings to 
call for removal of flag that has flown on statehouse grounds for 50 years


 
 View on www.theguardian.com 
http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/jun/22/confederate-flag-south-carolina-charleston
 Preview by Yahoo 
 

 

 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The south aint gonna rise again...

[Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

Slight correction - the very first time the Stars and Bars were officially 
raised in the Statehouse was in the House of Representatives Chamber in 1938, 
the Senate followed suit in 1952 - but it was never flown over the State House 
till 1961.

  From: Mike Dixon mdixon.6...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] 
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Tuesday, June 23, 2015 1:30 PM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The south aint gonna rise again...
   
    Bingo, should have read your post before posting mine. 

 

 From: Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] 
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Tuesday, June 23, 2015 10:20 AM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The south aint gonna rise again...
   
    Now that Judy has had a go at pretending to know something about it,
Here is the real deal on the Confederate flag, at least in SC.
It was put up over the Statehouse (where all the laws are made) in 1961 as part 
of the Centennial Celebration of the Civil War. That is when it was first flown 
Judy, the state legislature officially confirmed it a year later in 1962.
There is a man still alive here in SC who was on the Centennial planning 
committee who said it was put up by a legislative resolution that specified 
what date it was to be raised, but no date was included for taking it down.
After the Centennial celebration was finished no one paid much attention and it 
just stated up. It should be noted that the legislature was all white at that 
time. In retrospect critics claim the real reason the flag was flown was a way 
for white segregationists in the state legislature to mock the federal 
government which was in the process of creating civil rights legislation.
If that was not the original reason, it surely became so as the 1970's blacks 
began to be elected to the state legislature. But, eventually those black 
politicians did what their white counterparts were already doing, and that was 
using the flag for their own ends.
The white lawmakers would bow their backs when people would call for the flag 
removal and do so to curry favor with their redneck constituents, the black 
lawmakers did the same thing, calling for the flag removal to get points with 
their constituents. 
This went on till the 1990's when the NAACP called for the flag removal or else 
they would institute an economic boycott.The white lawmakers particularly the 
really ignorant ones like Jakie Knotts and the real crooks like Glenn McConnell 
laughed it off and said the boycott would have no effect on the state. 

They were wrong - people all over the place who had made plans to visit SC for 
various reasons began to cancel their plans conventions were canceled and the 
tourist industry began to really suffer. The merchants and businessmen began to 
scream at the lawmakers to take the flag down, especially those in the 
hotel/motel and restaurant industry. The idiot lawmakers ignored them, till 
they started to get threats of being unseated in their nest bid for reelection 
for not taking it down.
Belatedly big institutions that SHOULD have already called for the flag's 
removal finally joined in like the University of South Carolina. The debate 
raged and the lawmakers showed their true colors - yellow.
A proposal was made to leave it to the people by creating a referendum in the 
next general election. BOTH sides were running scared of such a solution. The 
black and white lawmakers claimed it was too important a decision to leave to 
the people and that it would be too divisive for the people to decide and 
might make folks mad at each other.
The truth is the flag opponents were running scared that all the rednecks would 
come out in great numbers and vote the keep the flag flying high, and the flag 
supporters were afraid all the black voters and their white liberal supporters 
would outnumber the heritage crowd. So they blabbered at each other for a 
while and then came up with a compromise that made no one happy. They removed 
the flag from over the State House dome, but placed it in a place of honor on 
the Statehouse grounds.
The opponents were incensed and so were the supporters that it had been removed 
at all.
Thus it stands today. Coming from such stock, (there is a few years old picture 
of my mother's family reunion where the young children were detailed to hold 
the edges of a really big Confederate battle flag as all the adults stood in 
the background as the pic was taken) I know that a lot of Southern folk think 
the flag stands for Southern heritage and not hate. Dunno exactly what that 
heritage is supposed to be - generally if you ask it goes back to the idea of 
honoring all the brave men who stood up to Northern aggression, you know, the 
damn Yankees?
Truth be told, a lot of those Confederates were idiots. Only about 10% of white 
Southerners owned slaves, and nearly

[FairfieldLife] Re: The south aint gonna rise again...

[s3raph...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mdixon.6569@... wrote :

 You've got it right. Another good rebel song is Tom Petty's Won't Back Down..

Yep, Tom Petty has always been another great rocker to me. 
 

 By the way, back in the day I was one of probably a countless number who 
assumed for years that Lynyrd Skynyrd was the name of the lead singer! 
 


 From: s3raphita@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Tuesday, June 23, 2015 3:47 PM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: The south aint gonna rise again...
 
 
   Re  I come from a country with a flag that has no negative historical 
connotations whatsoever. :
 

 Love it!
 

 

 Re the Confederate flag: to Yanks it often seems to trigger memories of the 
hideous racist slave trade. To me, as a Brit, the flag has always said Rebel. 
So I associate it with rebellion and anti-authoritarianism; the counter-culture 
and going against consensus reality; the sixties upheavals; . . . you get the 
picture. (Hence the Lynyrd Skynyrd clip I posted on another thread (worth a 
look just for the music.) 
 

 The controversy over the rebel flag reminds me of the swastika. Has its Nazi 
appropriation meant that its use today by Hindu and pagan groups can never 
escape those deeply repugnant overtones? 
 

 


 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote :

 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5@... wrote :

 Scapegoating?  Yes, remove that flag.  Removing it now is an important act in 
the play of a large Dharma. Removing that flag is part and parcel of a public 
education in transcendent and inalienable rights in our long culture of equal 
rights for everyone in equal protection under communal law. That the rebel flag 
would be accepted and flown above in any public space of our governance along 
with our larger symbols of national and state flag shows a profound failure of 
some public leadership and education in greater public process and values. It 
is time to remove that old battle flag of ignorance from our public spaces of 
governance. 
 
 
 Flags are just symbols. Everyone knows the country has changed. I'm sure they 
never would have flown it all these years if anyone thought it still 
represented the pre-civil war mentality. So taking it down now because of one 
lonely fruitcake's a-social psychopathology seems daft to me. That's why I 
called it scapegoating. It's just a pretty bit of cloth.
 

 But then maybe i'm incapable of being a fair judge, I come from a country with 
a flag that has no negative historical connotations whatsoever. 
 

 

 

 
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote :

 Let's scapegoat the flag. Someone kills loads of people and likes the flag so 
the flag has to go. I guess that makes a certain twisted sense. And I thought 
the southerners had rehabilitated themselves by claiming slavery was going to 
be abolished anyway? That's Hollywood for you.
 

 I hope I'm still allowed to enjoy the Dukes of Hazzard...
 

 South Carolina governor calls for removal of Confederate flag from statehouse 
http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/jun/22/confederate-flag-south-carolina-charleston

 
 
 
http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/jun/22/confederate-flag-south-carolina-charleston
 
 South Carolina governor calls for removal of Confederate... 
http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/jun/22/confederate-flag-south-carolina-charleston
 Governor Nikki Haley makes abrupt about-face in wake of Charleston killings to 
call for removal of flag that has flown on statehouse grounds for 50 years


 
 View on www.theguardian.com 
http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/jun/22/confederate-flag-south-carolina-charleston
 Preview by Yahoo 
 

 

 









   

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote :

 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5@... wrote :

 Scapegoating?  Yes, remove that flag.  Removing it now is an important act in 
the play of a large Dharma. Removing that flag is part and parcel of a public 
education in transcendent and inalienable rights in our long culture of equal 
rights for everyone in equal protection under communal law. That the rebel flag 
would be accepted and flown above in any public space of our governance along 
with our larger symbols of national and state flag shows a profound failure of 
some public leadership and education in greater public process and values. It 
is time to remove that old battle flag of ignorance from our public spaces of 
governance. 
 
 
 Flags are just symbols. Everyone knows the country has changed. I'm sure they 
never would have flown it all these years if anyone thought it still 
represented the pre-civil war mentality. So taking it down now because of one 
lonely fruitcake's a-social psychopathology seems daft to me. That's why I 
called it scapegoating. It's just a pretty bit of cloth.
 

 But then maybe i'm incapable of being

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The south aint gonna rise again...

[Mike Dixon mdixon.6...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

The Battle flag isn't the stars .That's the first national. Battle flag is the 
Southern cross.

  From: Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] 
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Tuesday, June 23, 2015 5:40 PM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The south aint gonna rise again...
   
    Slight correction - the very first time the Stars and Bars were officially 
raised in the Statehouse was in the House of Representatives Chamber in 1938, 
the Senate followed suit in 1952 - but it was never flown over the State House 
till 1961.

 

 From: Mike Dixon mdixon.6...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] 
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Tuesday, June 23, 2015 1:30 PM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The south aint gonna rise again...
   
    Bingo, should have read your post before posting mine. 

 

 From: Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] 
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Tuesday, June 23, 2015 10:20 AM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The south aint gonna rise again...
   
    Now that Judy has had a go at pretending to know something about it,
Here is the real deal on the Confederate flag, at least in SC.
It was put up over the Statehouse (where all the laws are made) in 1961 as part 
of the Centennial Celebration of the Civil War. That is when it was first flown 
Judy, the state legislature officially confirmed it a year later in 1962.
There is a man still alive here in SC who was on the Centennial planning 
committee who said it was put up by a legislative resolution that specified 
what date it was to be raised, but no date was included for taking it down.
After the Centennial celebration was finished no one paid much attention and it 
just stated up. It should be noted that the legislature was all white at that 
time. In retrospect critics claim the real reason the flag was flown was a way 
for white segregationists in the state legislature to mock the federal 
government which was in the process of creating civil rights legislation.
If that was not the original reason, it surely became so as the 1970's blacks 
began to be elected to the state legislature. But, eventually those black 
politicians did what their white counterparts were already doing, and that was 
using the flag for their own ends.
The white lawmakers would bow their backs when people would call for the flag 
removal and do so to curry favor with their redneck constituents, the black 
lawmakers did the same thing, calling for the flag removal to get points with 
their constituents. 
This went on till the 1990's when the NAACP called for the flag removal or else 
they would institute an economic boycott.The white lawmakers particularly the 
really ignorant ones like Jakie Knotts and the real crooks like Glenn McConnell 
laughed it off and said the boycott would have no effect on the state. 

They were wrong - people all over the place who had made plans to visit SC for 
various reasons began to cancel their plans conventions were canceled and the 
tourist industry began to really suffer. The merchants and businessmen began to 
scream at the lawmakers to take the flag down, especially those in the 
hotel/motel and restaurant industry. The idiot lawmakers ignored them, till 
they started to get threats of being unseated in their nest bid for reelection 
for not taking it down.
Belatedly big institutions that SHOULD have already called for the flag's 
removal finally joined in like the University of South Carolina. The debate 
raged and the lawmakers showed their true colors - yellow.
A proposal was made to leave it to the people by creating a referendum in the 
next general election. BOTH sides were running scared of such a solution. The 
black and white lawmakers claimed it was too important a decision to leave to 
the people and that it would be too divisive for the people to decide and 
might make folks mad at each other.
The truth is the flag opponents were running scared that all the rednecks would 
come out in great numbers and vote the keep the flag flying high, and the flag 
supporters were afraid all the black voters and their white liberal supporters 
would outnumber the heritage crowd. So they blabbered at each other for a 
while and then came up with a compromise that made no one happy. They removed 
the flag from over the State House dome, but placed it in a place of honor on 
the Statehouse grounds.
The opponents were incensed and so were the supporters that it had been removed 
at all.
Thus it stands today. Coming from such stock, (there is a few years old picture 
of my mother's family reunion where the young children were detailed to hold 
the edges of a really big Confederate battle flag as all the adults stood in 
the background as the pic was taken) I know that a lot of Southern