[FairfieldLife] Re: Troll FAQ
Related Structures A. Trolls - users who actively provoke conflict. B. Troll-hunters - They behave according to a principle of second strike. They do not initiate conflict, but escalate it once it begins. C. Troll-baiters - They use other trolls as an excuse for their own misbehavior, and in many cases, typecast a user as a troll regardless of his or her intent. Ignorers: They seek to ignore the conflict, continuing with the topic at-hand. They usually express a nonchalant disdain for the troll, but does not seek actively to insult him or her. Elders - They issue simple words of wisdom such as Don't feed it. or other phrases that generally mean the same thing. Moderators - They seek to resolve the conflict, making all parties happy, if possible. Kwitters - They withdraw from the conflict and in particularly bad cases, they will leave the forum in disgust. Related Terms 1. Feeding the troll - often the poster will become defensive when the argument is refuted but may instead continue the thread through the use of further flawed arguments. 2. Schlocks - A subclass of troll who posts links to offensive or disturbing pictures or cartoons or shock sites that contain such media. Often these links are disguised as legitimate links. 3. Sock puppets - Dilettantes posing as experts or impostors that don't vote trying to get you to vote for their political position. Sometimes called a sock puppet troll. 4. Devil's advocates - to strengthen opposing convictions with which he or she usually doesn't even agree with. 5. Domino effectors - Starting large chain reactions in response to one's initial post. Achieving a disproportionately large response to a small action is the general theme. 6. Group-thinkers - Many trolls defend their actions as, when a sort of conformism settles, shocking people out of it. 7. Waxed - The act of waxing, besting, or discrediting personal attacks against one particular user or group of users in a fair debate. 8. Soap-boxers - They overcome feelings of inferiority or powerlessness by getting the experience of controlling an environment. 9. Lurkers - In general they avoid any dialog with trolls and ignore temptations to respond, instead they send you a private email. 10. Postal - They go bat-shit crazy over the slightest mention of their cult activities and how they're still working for it today. On Fri, Nov 15, 2013 at 7:54 PM, Richard J. Williams pundits...@gmail.comwrote: Definition A person who sends duplicitous messages to get angry responses. Note: The term 'Internet Troll' is frequently abused to slander opponents in heated debates and is frequently misapplied by those who are ignorant of Internet etiquette. Description Trolls are sometimes caricatured as socially inept. This is often due to the fundamental attribution error, as it is impossible to know the real traits of an individual solely from their online discourse. Indeed, since intentional trolls are alleged to knowingly flout social boundaries, it is difficult to typecast them as socially inept since they have arguably proven adept at their goal. Usage Calling someone a troll makes assumptions about a writer's motives that are impossible to determine. The term troll is highly subjective, and some posts will look like trolling to some while seeming like meaningful contributions to others. The term is frequently used to discredit an opposing position in an argument. This can amount to an ad hominem argument; a purported troll of this nature may actually hold an insightful but controversial position that is generating controversy precisely because it has successfully challenged entrenched opinions.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Troll FAQ
Analysis from Wikipedia - conflict resolution: Responding to a troll inevitably drives discussion off-topic, to the dismay of bystanders, and supplies the troll with the craved attention. When troll hunters pounce on the trolls, ignorers reply with: YHBT. YHL. HAND., which translated means You have been trolled. You have lost. Have a nice day. However, since troll hunters (like trolls) are often conflict-seekers themselves, the loss usually is not on the part of the troll-hunter; rather, the losers are the other forum-users who would have preferred that the conflict not emerge at all. Literature on conflict resolution suggests that labeling participants in Internet discussions as trolls can perpetuate the unwanted behaviors. A person rejected by a social group may assume an antagonistic role toward it, and seek to further annoy or anger members of the group. The troll label, often a sign of social rejection, may therefore actually perpetuate trolling. Better results normally ensue when users take the moderator role and describe more constructive behaviors in a non-judgmental, non-confrontational way. Trolls are excited by troll hunters and frustrated by the ignorers, and neither of these emotions produce positive results for the forum. Engaging trolls results in flame wars. Trolls frustrated by the ignore strategy may leave the forum (and either troll elsewhere, or become constructive users) or may become progressively more inflammatory until they get a response. Reference: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_troll On Fri, Nov 15, 2013 at 7:54 PM, Richard J. Williams pundits...@gmail.comwrote: Definition A person who sends duplicitous messages to get angry responses. Note: The term 'Internet Troll' is frequently abused to slander opponents in heated debates and is frequently misapplied by those who are ignorant of Internet etiquette. Description Trolls are sometimes caricatured as socially inept. This is often due to the fundamental attribution error, as it is impossible to know the real traits of an individual solely from their online discourse. Indeed, since intentional trolls are alleged to knowingly flout social boundaries, it is difficult to typecast them as socially inept since they have arguably proven adept at their goal. Usage Calling someone a troll makes assumptions about a writer's motives that are impossible to determine. The term troll is highly subjective, and some posts will look like trolling to some while seeming like meaningful contributions to others. The term is frequently used to discredit an opposing position in an argument. This can amount to an ad hominem argument; a purported troll of this nature may actually hold an insightful but controversial position that is generating controversy precisely because it has successfully challenged entrenched opinions.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Troll FAQ
Richard, thanks for lots of good info on troll. But now I gotta ask: is it being a troll to call someone a mime? On Sunday, November 17, 2013 9:14 AM, Richard Williams pundits...@gmail.com wrote: Analysis from Wikipedia - conflict resolution: Responding to a troll inevitably drives discussion off-topic, to the dismay of bystanders, and supplies the troll with the craved attention. When troll hunters pounce on the trolls, ignorers reply with: YHBT. YHL. HAND., which translated means You have been trolled. You have lost. Have a nice day. However, since troll hunters (like trolls) are often conflict-seekers themselves, the loss usually is not on the part of the troll-hunter; rather, the losers are the other forum-users who would have preferred that the conflict not emerge at all. Literature on conflict resolution suggests that labeling participants in Internet discussions as trolls can perpetuate the unwanted behaviors. A person rejected by a social group may assume an antagonistic role toward it, and seek to further annoy or anger members of the group. The troll label, often a sign of social rejection, may therefore actually perpetuate trolling. Better results normally ensue when users take the moderator role and describe more constructive behaviors in a non-judgmental, non-confrontational way. Trolls are excited by troll hunters and frustrated by the ignorers, and neither of these emotions produce positive results for the forum. Engaging trolls results in flame wars. Trolls frustrated by the ignore strategy may leave the forum (and either troll elsewhere, or become constructive users) or may become progressively more inflammatory until they get a response. Reference: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_troll On Fri, Nov 15, 2013 at 7:54 PM, Richard J. Williams pundits...@gmail.com wrote: Definition A person who sends duplicitous messages to get angry responses. Note: The term 'Internet Troll' is frequently abused to slander opponents in heated debates and is frequently misapplied by those who are ignorant of Internet etiquette. Description Trolls are sometimes caricatured as socially inept. This is often due to the fundamental attribution error, as it is impossible to know the real traits of an individual solely from their online discourse. Indeed, since intentional trolls are alleged to knowingly flout social boundaries, it is difficult to typecast them as socially inept since they have arguably proven adept at their goal. Usage Calling someone a troll makes assumptions about a writer's motives that are impossible to determine. The term troll is highly subjective, and some posts will look like trolling to some while seeming like meaningful contributions to others. The term is frequently used to discredit an opposing position in an argument. This can amount to an ad hominem argument; a purported troll of this nature may actually hold an insightful but controversial position that is generating controversy precisely because it has successfully challenged entrenched opinions.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Troll FAQ
Let me rephrase that: He called himself 'emptybill' for a reason. Around here, if it looks like a mime and he calls himself a mime, then he is probably a mime of some kind. But, it bothers me when the mime is talking. It's freaky! Am I the only one this bothers? On 11/17/2013 12:12 PM, Share Long wrote: Richard, thanks for lots of good info on troll. But now I gotta ask: is it being a troll to call someone a mime? On Sunday, November 17, 2013 9:14 AM, Richard Williams pundits...@gmail.com wrote: Analysis from Wikipedia - conflict resolution: Responding to a troll inevitably drives discussion off-topic, to the dismay of bystanders, and supplies the troll with the craved attention. When troll hunters pounce on the trolls, ignorers reply with: YHBT. YHL. HAND., which translated means You have been trolled. You have lost. Have a nice day. However, since troll hunters (like trolls) are often conflict-seekers themselves, the loss usually is not on the part of the troll-hunter; rather, the losers are the other forum-users who would have preferred that the conflict not emerge at all. Literature on conflict resolution suggests that labeling participants in Internet discussions as trolls can perpetuate the unwanted behaviors. A person rejected by a social group may assume an antagonistic role toward it, and seek to further annoy or anger members of the group. The troll label, often a sign of social rejection, may therefore actually perpetuate trolling. Better results normally ensue when users take the moderator role and describe more constructive behaviors in a non-judgmental, non-confrontational way. Trolls are excited by troll hunters and frustrated by the ignorers, and neither of these emotions produce positive results for the forum. Engaging trolls results in flame wars. Trolls frustrated by the ignore strategy may leave the forum (and either troll elsewhere, or become constructive users) or may become progressively more inflammatory until they get a response. Reference: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_troll On Fri, Nov 15, 2013 at 7:54 PM, Richard J. Williams pundits...@gmail.com mailto:pundits...@gmail.com wrote: Definition A person who sends duplicitous messages to get angry responses. Note: The term 'Internet Troll' is frequently abused to slander opponents in heated debates and is frequently misapplied by those who are ignorant of Internet etiquette. Description Trolls are sometimes caricatured as socially inept. This is often due to the fundamental attribution error, as it is impossible to know the real traits of an individual solely from their online discourse. Indeed, since intentional trolls are alleged to knowingly flout social boundaries, it is difficult to typecast them as socially inept since they have arguably proven adept at their goal. Usage Calling someone a troll makes assumptions about a writer's motives that are impossible to determine. The term troll is highly subjective, and some posts will look like trolling to some while seeming like meaningful contributions to others. The term is frequently used to discredit an opposing position in an argument. This can amount to an ad hominem argument; a purported troll of this nature may actually hold an insightful but controversial position that is generating controversy precisely because it has successfully challenged entrenched opinions.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Troll FAQ
Richard, it sounds like you're saying that you're not a troll for calling emptybill a mime because of his handle?! Ok...Let's just chalk it up to maybe you are the only one who has to do all the heavy lifting around here! On Sunday, November 17, 2013 3:10 PM, Richard J. Williams pundits...@gmail.com wrote: Let me rephrase that: He called himself 'emptybill' for a reason. Around here, if it looks like a mime and he calls himself a mime, then he is probably a mime of some kind. But, it bothers me when the mime is talking. It's freaky! Am I the only one this bothers? On 11/17/2013 12:12 PM, Share Long wrote: Richard, thanks for lots of good info on troll. But now I gotta ask: is it being a troll to call someone a mime? On Sunday, November 17, 2013 9:14 AM, Richard Williams pundits...@gmail.com wrote: Analysis from Wikipedia - conflict resolution: Responding to a troll inevitably drives discussion off-topic, to the dismay of bystanders, and supplies the troll with the craved attention. When troll hunters pounce on the trolls, ignorers reply with: YHBT. YHL. HAND., which translated means You have been trolled. You have lost. Have a nice day. However, since troll hunters (like trolls) are often conflict-seekers themselves, the loss usually is not on the part of the troll-hunter; rather, the losers are the other forum-users who would have preferred that the conflict not emerge at all. Literature on conflict resolution suggests that labeling participants in Internet discussions as trolls can perpetuate the unwanted behaviors. A person rejected by a social group may assume an antagonistic role toward it, and seek to further annoy or anger members of the group. The troll label, often a sign of social rejection, may therefore actually perpetuate trolling. Better results normally ensue when users take the moderator role and describe more constructive behaviors in a non-judgmental, non-confrontational way. Trolls are excited by troll hunters and frustrated by the ignorers, and neither of these emotions produce positive results for the forum. Engaging trolls results in flame wars. Trolls frustrated by the ignore strategy may leave the forum (and either troll elsewhere, or become constructive users) or may become progressively more inflammatory until they get a response. Reference: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_troll On Fri, Nov 15, 2013 at 7:54 PM, Richard J. Williams pundits...@gmail.com wrote: Definition A person who sends duplicitous messages to get angry responses. Note: The term 'Internet Troll' is frequently abused to slander opponents in heated debates and is frequently misapplied by those who are ignorant of Internet etiquette. Description Trolls are sometimes caricatured as socially inept. This is often due to the fundamental attribution error, as it is impossible to know the real traits of an individual solely from their online discourse. Indeed, since intentional trolls are alleged to knowingly flout social boundaries, it is difficult to typecast them as socially inept since they have arguably proven adept at their goal. Usage Calling someone a troll makes assumptions about a writer's motives that are impossible to determine. The term troll is highly subjective, and some posts will look like trolling to some while seeming like meaningful contributions to others. The term is frequently used to discredit an opposing position in an argument. This can amount to an ad hominem argument; a purported troll of this nature may actually hold an insightful but controversial position that is generating controversy precisely because it has successfully challenged entrenched opinions.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Troll FAQ
Now this is really funny - a guy posting as 'emptybill', is full of himself? LoL! So, I've been using my real name for a number of years now since I'm retired from my job as a janitor at the local community college. Judy, John, and Barry can't hurt me now or get me fired from my job. For years they called my 'willytex' because that's my email address. One guy here actually ripped off my photo from the college web site where I worked and posted it on a discussion board. One gal, Judy Stein, insisted on calling me 'willytex' for years AFTER I told her my name was Richard J. Williams. Can you believe that? And she called me a troll? Go figure. On 11/17/2013 3:18 PM, Share Long wrote: Richard, it sounds like you're saying that you're not a troll for calling emptybill a mime because of his handle?! Ok...Let's just chalk it up to maybe you are the only one who has to do all the heavy lifting around here! On Sunday, November 17, 2013 3:10 PM, Richard J. Williams pundits...@gmail.com wrote: Let me rephrase that: He called himself 'emptybill' for a reason. Around here, if it looks like a mime and he calls himself a mime, then he is probably a mime of some kind. But, it bothers me when the mime is talking. It's freaky! Am I the only one this bothers? On 11/17/2013 12:12 PM, Share Long wrote: Richard, thanks for lots of good info on troll. But now I gotta ask: is it being a troll to call someone a mime? On Sunday, November 17, 2013 9:14 AM, Richard Williams pundits...@gmail.com mailto:pundits...@gmail.com wrote: Analysis from Wikipedia - conflict resolution: Responding to a troll inevitably drives discussion off-topic, to the dismay of bystanders, and supplies the troll with the craved attention. When troll hunters pounce on the trolls, ignorers reply with: YHBT. YHL. HAND., which translated means You have been trolled. You have lost. Have a nice day. However, since troll hunters (like trolls) are often conflict-seekers themselves, the loss usually is not on the part of the troll-hunter; rather, the losers are the other forum-users who would have preferred that the conflict not emerge at all. Literature on conflict resolution suggests that labeling participants in Internet discussions as trolls can perpetuate the unwanted behaviors. A person rejected by a social group may assume an antagonistic role toward it, and seek to further annoy or anger members of the group. The troll label, often a sign of social rejection, may therefore actually perpetuate trolling. Better results normally ensue when users take the moderator role and describe more constructive behaviors in a non-judgmental, non-confrontational way. Trolls are excited by troll hunters and frustrated by the ignorers, and neither of these emotions produce positive results for the forum. Engaging trolls results in flame wars. Trolls frustrated by the ignore strategy may leave the forum (and either troll elsewhere, or become constructive users) or may become progressively more inflammatory until they get a response. Reference: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_troll On Fri, Nov 15, 2013 at 7:54 PM, Richard J. Williams pundits...@gmail.com mailto:pundits...@gmail.com wrote: Definition A person who sends duplicitous messages to get angry responses. Note: The term 'Internet Troll' is frequently abused to slander opponents in heated debates and is frequently misapplied by those who are ignorant of Internet etiquette. Description Trolls are sometimes caricatured as socially inept. This is often due to the fundamental attribution error, as it is impossible to know the real traits of an individual solely from their online discourse. Indeed, since intentional trolls are alleged to knowingly flout social boundaries, it is difficult to typecast them as socially inept since they have arguably proven adept at their goal. Usage Calling someone a troll makes assumptions about a writer's motives that are impossible to determine. The term troll is highly subjective, and some posts will look like trolling to some while seeming like meaningful contributions to others. The term is frequently used to discredit an opposing position in an argument. This can amount to an ad hominem argument; a purported troll of this nature may actually hold an insightful but controversial position that is generating controversy precisely because it has successfully challenged entrenched opinions.
[FairfieldLife] RE: Troll FAQ
---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote: Now this is really funny - a guy posting as 'emptybill', is full of himself? LoL! Now that is really funny and I acknowledge that. See Share, I can even laugh with the guy who is obsessed with pipes and poop and uses incessantly the most nerdish of words netiquette. And he's from Texas to boot. Aren't I just the embodiment of enlightened thinking? So, I've been using my real name for a number of years now since I'm retired from my job as a janitor at the local community college. Judy, John, and Barry can't hurt me now or get me fired from my job. For years they called my 'willytex' because that's my email address. One guy here actually ripped off my photo from the college web site where I worked and posted it on a discussion board. One gal, Judy Stein, insisted on calling me 'willytex' for years AFTER I told her my name was Richard J. Williams. Can you believe that? And she called me a troll? Go figure. On 11/17/2013 3:18 PM, Share Long wrote: Richard, it sounds like you're saying that you're not a troll for calling emptybill a mime because of his handle?! Ok...Let's just chalk it up to maybe you are the only one who has to do all the heavy lifting around here! On Sunday, November 17, 2013 3:10 PM, Richard J. Williams punditster@... mailto:punditster@... wrote: Let me rephrase that: He called himself 'emptybill' for a reason. Around here, if it looks like a mime and he calls himself a mime, then he is probably a mime of some kind. But, it bothers me when the mime is talking. It's freaky! Am I the only one this bothers? On 11/17/2013 12:12 PM, Share Long wrote: Richard, thanks for lots of good info on troll. But now I gotta ask: is it being a troll to call someone a mime? On Sunday, November 17, 2013 9:14 AM, Richard Williams punditster@... mailto:punditster@... wrote: Analysis from Wikipedia - conflict resolution: Responding to a troll inevitably drives discussion off-topic, to the dismay of bystanders, and supplies the troll with the craved attention. When troll hunters pounce on the trolls, ignorers reply with: YHBT. YHL. HAND., which translated means You have been trolled. You have lost. Have a nice day. However, since troll hunters (like trolls) are often conflict-seekers themselves, the loss usually is not on the part of the troll-hunter; rather, the losers are the other forum-users who would have preferred that the conflict not emerge at all. Literature on conflict resolution suggests that labeling participants in Internet discussions as trolls can perpetuate the unwanted behaviors. A person rejected by a social group may assume an antagonistic role toward it, and seek to further annoy or anger members of the group. The troll label, often a sign of social rejection, may therefore actually perpetuate trolling. Better results normally ensue when users take the moderator role and describe more constructive behaviors in a non-judgmental, non-confrontational way. Trolls are excited by troll hunters and frustrated by the ignorers, and neither of these emotions produce positive results for the forum. Engaging trolls results in flame wars. Trolls frustrated by the ignore strategy may leave the forum (and either troll elsewhere, or become constructive users) or may become progressively more inflammatory until they get a response. Reference: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_troll http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_troll On Fri, Nov 15, 2013 at 7:54 PM, Richard J. Williams punditster@... mailto:punditster@... wrote: Definition A person who sends duplicitous messages to get angry responses. Note: The term 'Internet Troll' is frequently abused to slander opponents in heated debates and is frequently misapplied by those who are ignorant of Internet etiquette. Description Trolls are sometimes caricatured as socially inept. This is often due to the fundamental attribution error, as it is impossible to know the real traits of an individual solely from their online discourse. Indeed, since intentional trolls are alleged to knowingly flout social boundaries, it is difficult to typecast them as socially inept since they have arguably proven adept at their goal. Usage Calling someone a troll makes assumptions about a writer's motives that are impossible to determine. The term troll is highly subjective, and some posts will look like trolling to some while seeming like meaningful contributions to others. The term is frequently used to discredit an opposing position in an argument. This can amount to an ad hominem argument; a purported troll of this nature may actually hold an insightful but controversial position that is generating controversy precisely because it has successfully challenged entrenched opinions.
Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Troll FAQ
Motivation Attention-seeking: The troll seeks to dominate the thread by inciting anger, and effectively hijacking the topic at hand. Cry for help: An indication of disturbing situations regarding family, relationships, substances, and schools. Effect change: Stating extreme positions to make his or her actual beliefs seem moderate. Blatancy: A blatant violation of forum guidelines in order to see whether any action is taken by the forum administrator. Amusement: To some people, the thought of a 60-year-old Internet user being sent a sexually explicit or gross post is funny. Time Wasters: One of the greatest themes in trolling is the idea that you can spend one minute of your time posting a troll, causing 10 other people to waste ten minutes of their time, affecting lots of other people. Satire: In these cases, the individuals do not think of themselves as trolls, but misunderstood humorists or political commentators. Self-promotion: Attempting to discredit the Maharishi so you can drive new recruits to your own cult. On Fri, Nov 15, 2013 at 10:51 PM, s3raph...@yahoo.com wrote: Re A TROLL a person who sends duplicitous messages to get angry responses.: Perhaps we need a name for the opposite character. A WUSS - or maybe A WIMP - someone who posts ad hominem attacks to shut down an insightful but controversial position that is generating controversy precisely because it has successfully challenged entrenched opinions.
[FairfieldLife] RE: Troll FAQ
Re A TROLL a person who sends duplicitous messages to get angry responses.: Perhaps we need a name for the opposite character. A WUSS - or maybe A WIMP - someone who posts ad hominem attacks to shut down an insightful but controversial position that is generating controversy precisely because it has successfully challenged entrenched opinions.
