Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: What If?

2014-07-08 Thread awoelfleba...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

   
 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
 mailto:punditster@... wrote :
 
 What if you woke in the morning and you found out that your house was on 
 Google Earth and Google Maps and Google Street View?
 

 Nothing.


 >
 On 7/8/2014 8:29 PM, awoelflebater@... mailto:awoelflebater@... 
[FairfieldLife] wrote:
 
 

 My house is on google street view. Anyone can see it from all sorts of angles.





 >
 What would you do if you woke up in the morning and you found out that your 
house was no longer on Google Street View?
 >
 
 "Beneath its slick interface and crystal clear GPS-enabled vision of the 
 world, Google Maps roils with local rivalries, score-settling, and 
 deception. Maps are dotted with thousands of spam business listings for 
 nonexistent locksmiths and plumbers. Legitimate businesses sometimes see 
 their listings hijacked by competitors or cloned into a duplicate with a 
 different phone number or website."
 
 'How Google Map Hackers Can Destroy a Business at Will'
 http://www.wired.com/2014/07/hacking-google-maps/ 
http://www.wired.com/2014/07/hacking-google-maps/




 
 



Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: What If?

2014-07-08 Thread 'Richard J. Williams' pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife]


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

What if you woke in the morning and you found out that your house was on
Google Earth and Google Maps and Google Street View?

>
On 7/8/2014 8:29 PM, awoelfleba...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote:



My house is on google street view. Anyone can see it from all sorts of 
angles.

>
What would you do if you woke up in the morning and you found out that 
your house was no longer on Google Street View?

>


"Beneath its slick interface and crystal clear GPS-enabled vision of the
world, Google Maps roils with local rivalries, score-settling, and
deception. Maps are dotted with thousands of spam business listings for
nonexistent locksmiths and plumbers. Legitimate businesses sometimes see
their listings hijacked by competitors or cloned into a duplicate with a
different phone number or website."

'How Google Map Hackers Can Destroy a Business at Will'
http://www.wired.com/2014/07/hacking-google-maps/





[FairfieldLife] Re: What If?

2014-07-08 Thread awoelfleba...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 What if you woke in the morning and you found out that your house was on 
 Google Earth and Google Maps and Google Street View?
 

 My house is on google street view. Anyone can see it from all sorts of angles.
 
 "Beneath its slick interface and crystal clear GPS-enabled vision of the 
 world, Google Maps roils with local rivalries, score-settling, and 
 deception. Maps are dotted with thousands of spam business listings for 
 nonexistent locksmiths and plumbers. Legitimate businesses sometimes see 
 their listings hijacked by competitors or cloned into a duplicate with a 
 different phone number or website."
 
 'How Google Map Hackers Can Destroy a Business at Will'
 http://www.wired.com/2014/07/hacking-google-maps/ 
http://www.wired.com/2014/07/hacking-google-maps/



[FairfieldLife] Re: What If?

2014-07-08 Thread 'Richard J. Williams' pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife]
What if you woke in the morning and you found out that your house was on 
Google Earth and Google Maps and Google Street View?

"Beneath its slick interface and crystal clear GPS-enabled vision of the 
world, Google Maps roils with local rivalries, score-settling, and 
deception. Maps are dotted with thousands of spam business listings for 
nonexistent locksmiths and plumbers. Legitimate businesses sometimes see 
their listings hijacked by competitors or cloned into a duplicate with a 
different phone number or website."

'How Google Map Hackers Can Destroy a Business at Will'
http://www.wired.com/2014/07/hacking-google-maps/


[FairfieldLife] Re: What If?

2014-07-01 Thread 'Richard J. Williams' pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife]
What if you woke up in the morning and you found out that thousands of 
child refugees were swarming over the Mexican-American border? What if 
you found out that the children were trying to join their parents in the 
U.S.? And, what would you think about deporting thousands of refugee 
children back to Central America?


What if you found out that U.S. SWAT teams were going into homes and 
ripping children from their parents and sending them back home alone? 
According to to U.S. law, a child seeking asylum in the U.S. cannot be 
deported. Go figure.


"It's a huge humanitarian crisis that is testing the leadership skills 
of President Barack Obama and the capacity of agencies charged with 
controlling our borders and dealing with asylum requests."


Desert Sun:
http://www.desertsun.com/story/opinion/editorials/2014/06/28/unaccompanied-immigrant-children-us-border/11698429/
>
On 6/28/2014 8:22 AM, Richard J. Williams wrote:
What if you woke up in the morning and found out that the IRS hard 
drives had been smashed by Sasquatch and that Space Aliens were 
invading earth and trying to steal your iPod and iPad?


"The latest to weigh in on the lost emails controversy is the head of 
the International Association of Information Technology Asset 
Managers. Group president Barbara Rembiesa released a statement on 
Thursday questioning recent testimony by IRS Commissioner John 
Koskinen, who told Congress last Friday that Lerner's hard drive was 
"recycled and destroyed" after it crashed in 2011. "


'IRS lost email story 'makes no sense,' records should have been kept'
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2014/06/27/industry-group-irs-lost-email-story-makes-no-sense-records-should-have-been/

'Finding Bigfoot' crew seeking sasquatch witnesses, Alaska wilderness 
guide'

http://www.newsminer.com/blogs/staff_blogs/finding-bigfoot-crew-seeking-sasquatch-witnesses-alaska-wilderness-guide/article_eab4c16c-f5ca-11e3-b69d-0017a43b2370.html

>
On 6/26/2014 8:42 PM, Richard J. Williams wrote:
What if you woke up one morning and you found out that the rooster 
overslept and so you woke up late?

>
On 6/26/2014 2:23 PM, Richard J. Williams wrote:
What if you woke up one morning and found out that the borders of 
the U.S. had not been secured?


"Obama administration officials claim the frontier is more secure 
than ever..."


'Immigration reform's first hurdle: Is the border secure?'
Los Angeles Times:
http://www.latimes.com/local/la-me-ff-secure-border-20130310-dto-htmlstory.html

"After previously saying America's borders are more secure than 
ever, the White House on Tuesday seemingly blamed Republicans for 
apparent holes along the southern boundary..."


'White House now faults Republicans for weak border security'
Washington Times:
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2014/jun/24/obama-blames-republicans-poor-border-security/
>
On 6/25/2014 4:04 PM, Richard J. Williams wrote:
What if you woke up in the morning and you found out that the IRS 
had become weaponized? "...if the administration didn't target 
opponents, that would mean the IRS has become corrupt all on its 
own." Go figure.


http://www.nationalreview.com/article/380812/bureaucrats-bureaucrats-bureaucrats-jonah-goldberg

'IRS Admits Wrongdoing, to Pay $50,000 in Leaking of Marriage 
Group's Tax Return'

http://dailysignal.com/2014/06/24/irs-admits-wrongdoing-pay-5-leaking-marriage-groups-tax-return/
>
On 6/24/2014 10:54 AM, Richard J. Williams wrote:
What if you woke up in the morning and found out that the IRS was 
incompetent?


'However, Rep. Scott Desjarlais, R-Tenn. pointed out that 
$10-to-30 million was not much compared to the $89 million the IRS 
paid in bonuses last year, including $1 million to employees who 
actually owed back taxes.'


http://www.wnd.com/2014/06/irs-chief-scorched-as-liar/

On 6/20/2014 1:28 PM, Richard J. Williams wrote:
What if you woke up in the morning and you found out that the FBI 
was going to subpoena all your Google searches on your home 
computer and mobile devices looking for searches about /how to 
destroy your hard drive?/


http://www.bloombergview.com/irs-conspiracy/ 


>
On 6/20/2014 12:24 PM, Richard J. Williams wrote:
/What if/ you woke up one morning and found out you were being 
audited by the IRS and that two years of your emails to the 
agency, which might prove your case, were found to be missing 
because of a computer hard drive crash; and what if seven other 
agency hard drives had crashed at the same time; and what if the 
email back-server for the agency had failed at the same time; 
and what if the magnetic tape backup of the backup had also failed?


/And, what if/ you woke up the next morning and the agency told 
you that your failed hard drive had been thrown in the trash?


"There were audible gasps in the room today when IRS 
Commissioner John Koskinen told Congress that Lerner's hard 
drive was tossed out. Koski

[FairfieldLife] Re: What If?

2014-06-28 Thread 'Richard J. Williams' pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife]
What if you woke up in the morning and found out that the IRS hard 
drives had been smashed by Sasquatch and that Space Aliens were invading 
earth and trying to steal your iPod and iPad?


"The latest to weigh in on the lost emails controversy is the head of 
the International Association of Information Technology Asset Managers. 
Group president Barbara Rembiesa released a statement on Thursday 
questioning recent testimony by IRS Commissioner John Koskinen, who told 
Congress last Friday that Lerner's hard drive was "recycled and 
destroyed" after it crashed in 2011. "


'IRS lost email story 'makes no sense,' records should have been kept'
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2014/06/27/industry-group-irs-lost-email-story-makes-no-sense-records-should-have-been/

'Finding Bigfoot' crew seeking sasquatch witnesses, Alaska wilderness guide'
http://www.newsminer.com/blogs/staff_blogs/finding-bigfoot-crew-seeking-sasquatch-witnesses-alaska-wilderness-guide/article_eab4c16c-f5ca-11e3-b69d-0017a43b2370.html

>
On 6/26/2014 8:42 PM, Richard J. Williams wrote:
What if you woke up one morning and you found out that the rooster 
overslept and so you woke up late?

>
On 6/26/2014 2:23 PM, Richard J. Williams wrote:
What if you woke up one morning and found out that the borders of the 
U.S. had not been secured?


"Obama administration officials claim the frontier is more secure 
than ever..."


'Immigration reform's first hurdle: Is the border secure?'
Los Angeles Times:
http://www.latimes.com/local/la-me-ff-secure-border-20130310-dto-htmlstory.html

"After previously saying America's borders are more secure than ever, 
the White House on Tuesday seemingly blamed Republicans for apparent 
holes along the southern boundary..."


'White House now faults Republicans for weak border security'
Washington Times:
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2014/jun/24/obama-blames-republicans-poor-border-security/
>
On 6/25/2014 4:04 PM, Richard J. Williams wrote:
What if you woke up in the morning and you found out that the IRS 
had become weaponized? "...if the administration didn't target 
opponents, that would mean the IRS has become corrupt all on its 
own." Go figure.


http://www.nationalreview.com/article/380812/bureaucrats-bureaucrats-bureaucrats-jonah-goldberg

'IRS Admits Wrongdoing, to Pay $50,000 in Leaking of Marriage 
Group's Tax Return'

http://dailysignal.com/2014/06/24/irs-admits-wrongdoing-pay-5-leaking-marriage-groups-tax-return/
>
On 6/24/2014 10:54 AM, Richard J. Williams wrote:
What if you woke up in the morning and found out that the IRS was 
incompetent?


'However, Rep. Scott Desjarlais, R-Tenn. pointed out that $10-to-30 
million was not much compared to the $89 million the IRS paid in 
bonuses last year, including $1 million to employees who actually 
owed back taxes.'


http://www.wnd.com/2014/06/irs-chief-scorched-as-liar/

On 6/20/2014 1:28 PM, Richard J. Williams wrote:
What if you woke up in the morning and you found out that the FBI 
was going to subpoena all your Google searches on your home 
computer and mobile devices looking for searches about /how to 
destroy your hard drive?/


http://www.bloombergview.com/irs-conspiracy/ 


>
On 6/20/2014 12:24 PM, Richard J. Williams wrote:
/What if/ you woke up one morning and found out you were being 
audited by the IRS and that two years of your emails to the 
agency, which might prove your case, were found to be missing 
because of a computer hard drive crash; and what if seven other 
agency hard drives had crashed at the same time; and what if the 
email back-server for the agency had failed at the same time; and 
what if the magnetic tape backup of the backup had also failed?


/And, what if/ you woke up the next morning and the agency told 
you that your failed hard drive had been thrown in the trash?


"There were audible gasps in the room today when IRS Commissioner 
John Koskinen told Congress that Lerner's hard drive was tossed 
out. Koskinen testified before the House Ways and Means Committee 
today on the IRS conservative targeting scandal."


/'Audience GASPS As IRS Commissioner Admits Missing Lois Lerner 
Hard Drive Was Trashed'/

Gateway Pundit:
http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/audience-gasps-as-irs-commissioner-admits-missing-lois-lerner-hard-drive-was-trashed/ 


>

On 6/19/2014 9:00 AM, Richard J. Williams wrote:
What if you woke up in the morning and the price for a gallon of 
gasoline at the pump was at $10.00? What if you woke up in the 
morning and you found out that Canada had almost completed a 
pipeline to deliver oil to Asia instead of to Canada and the 
U.S.? What if you woke up in the morning and your power had been 
cut off?


What if you woke up in the morning and you realized that 
everything was much worse than

[FairfieldLife] Re: What If?

2014-06-26 Thread 'Richard J. Williams' pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife]
What if you woke up one morning and you found out that the rooster 
overslept and so you woke up late?

>
On 6/26/2014 2:23 PM, Richard J. Williams wrote:
What if you woke up one morning and found out that the borders of the 
U.S. had not been secured?


"Obama administration officials claim the frontier is more secure than 
ever..."


'Immigration reform's first hurdle: Is the border secure?'
Los Angeles Times:
http://www.latimes.com/local/la-me-ff-secure-border-20130310-dto-htmlstory.html

"After previously saying America's borders are more secure than ever, 
the White House on Tuesday seemingly blamed Republicans for apparent 
holes along the southern boundary..."


'White House now faults Republicans for weak border security'
Washington Times:
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2014/jun/24/obama-blames-republicans-poor-border-security/
>
On 6/25/2014 4:04 PM, Richard J. Williams wrote:
What if you woke up in the morning and you found out that the IRS had 
become weaponized? "...if the administration didn't target opponents, 
that would mean the IRS has become corrupt all on its own." Go figure.


http://www.nationalreview.com/article/380812/bureaucrats-bureaucrats-bureaucrats-jonah-goldberg

'IRS Admits Wrongdoing, to Pay $50,000 in Leaking of Marriage Group's 
Tax Return'

http://dailysignal.com/2014/06/24/irs-admits-wrongdoing-pay-5-leaking-marriage-groups-tax-return/
>
On 6/24/2014 10:54 AM, Richard J. Williams wrote:
What if you woke up in the morning and found out that the IRS was 
incompetent?


'However, Rep. Scott Desjarlais, R-Tenn. pointed out that $10-to-30 
million was not much compared to the $89 million the IRS paid in 
bonuses last year, including $1 million to employees who actually 
owed back taxes.'


http://www.wnd.com/2014/06/irs-chief-scorched-as-liar/

On 6/20/2014 1:28 PM, Richard J. Williams wrote:
What if you woke up in the morning and you found out that the FBI 
was going to subpoena all your Google searches on your home 
computer and mobile devices looking for searches about /how to 
destroy your hard drive?/


http://www.bloombergview.com/irs-conspiracy/ 


>
On 6/20/2014 12:24 PM, Richard J. Williams wrote:
/What if/ you woke up one morning and found out you were being 
audited by the IRS and that two years of your emails to the 
agency, which might prove your case, were found to be missing 
because of a computer hard drive crash; and what if seven other 
agency hard drives had crashed at the same time; and what if the 
email back-server for the agency had failed at the same time; and 
what if the magnetic tape backup of the backup had also failed?


/And, what if/ you woke up the next morning and the agency told 
you that your failed hard drive had been thrown in the trash?


"There were audible gasps in the room today when IRS Commissioner 
John Koskinen told Congress that Lerner's hard drive was tossed 
out. Koskinen testified before the House Ways and Means Committee 
today on the IRS conservative targeting scandal."


/'Audience GASPS As IRS Commissioner Admits Missing Lois Lerner 
Hard Drive Was Trashed'/

Gateway Pundit:
http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/audience-gasps-as-irs-commissioner-admits-missing-lois-lerner-hard-drive-was-trashed/ 


>

On 6/19/2014 9:00 AM, Richard J. Williams wrote:
What if you woke up in the morning and the price for a gallon of 
gasoline at the pump was at $10.00? What if you woke up in the 
morning and you found out that Canada had almost completed a 
pipeline to deliver oil to Asia instead of to Canada and the 
U.S.? What if you woke up in the morning and your power had been 
cut off?


What if you woke up in the morning and you realized that 
everything was much worse than you thought? How much worse? Ten 
times worse. Go figure.


'Iraq: Why It's Worse Than You Think'
http://oilandgas-investments.com/2014/oil-prices/iraq-why-its-worse-than-you-think/
>
On 6/18/2014 9:51 AM, Richard J. Williams wrote:
What if you woke up one morning and the IRS had lost all your 
records and all your emails for the last two years? What if six 
IRS hard drives had crashed and all the records were just gone, 
disappeared? I wonder what would happen to the IT guy in charge 
of the servers at the IRS data center? What if the IRS 
Commissioner was called in before the U.S. Congress to testify 
under oath about the mysterious data loss?


What if you were audited by the IRS and your records were given 
to the FBI? Go figure.


'Missing E-Mail Is the Least of the IRS's Problems'
Bloomberg:
http://www.bloombergview.com/missing-e-mail/ 


>
On 6/12/2014 9:30 AM, Richard J. Williams wrote:
What if you opened your local newspaper and read that the 
r

[FairfieldLife] Re: What If?

2014-06-26 Thread 'Richard J. Williams' pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife]
What if you woke up one morning and found out that the borders of the 
U.S. had not been secured?


"Obama administration officials claim the frontier is more secure than 
ever..."


'Immigration reform's first hurdle: Is the border secure?'
Los Angeles Times:
http://www.latimes.com/local/la-me-ff-secure-border-20130310-dto-htmlstory.html

"After previously saying America's borders are more secure than ever, 
the White House on Tuesday seemingly blamed Republicans for apparent 
holes along the southern boundary..."


'White House now faults Republicans for weak border security'
Washington Times:
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2014/jun/24/obama-blames-republicans-poor-border-security/
>
On 6/25/2014 4:04 PM, Richard J. Williams wrote:
What if you woke up in the morning and you found out that the IRS had 
become weaponized? "...if the administration didn't target opponents, 
that would mean the IRS has become corrupt all on its own." Go figure.


http://www.nationalreview.com/article/380812/bureaucrats-bureaucrats-bureaucrats-jonah-goldberg

'IRS Admits Wrongdoing, to Pay $50,000 in Leaking of Marriage Group's 
Tax Return'

http://dailysignal.com/2014/06/24/irs-admits-wrongdoing-pay-5-leaking-marriage-groups-tax-return/
>
On 6/24/2014 10:54 AM, Richard J. Williams wrote:
What if you woke up in the morning and found out that the IRS was 
incompetent?


'However, Rep. Scott Desjarlais, R-Tenn. pointed out that $10-to-30 
million was not much compared to the $89 million the IRS paid in 
bonuses last year, including $1 million to employees who actually 
owed back taxes.'


http://www.wnd.com/2014/06/irs-chief-scorched-as-liar/

On 6/20/2014 1:28 PM, Richard J. Williams wrote:
What if you woke up in the morning and you found out that the FBI 
was going to subpoena all your Google searches on your home computer 
and mobile devices looking for searches about /how to destroy your 
hard drive?/


http://www.bloombergview.com/irs-conspiracy/ 


>
On 6/20/2014 12:24 PM, Richard J. Williams wrote:
/What if/ you woke up one morning and found out you were being 
audited by the IRS and that two years of your emails to the agency, 
which might prove your case, were found to be missing because of a 
computer hard drive crash; and what if seven other agency hard 
drives had crashed at the same time; and what if the email 
back-server for the agency had failed at the same time; and what if 
the magnetic tape backup of the backup had also failed?


/And, what if/ you woke up the next morning and the agency told you 
that your failed hard drive had been thrown in the trash?


"There were audible gasps in the room today when IRS Commissioner 
John Koskinen told Congress that Lerner's hard drive was tossed 
out. Koskinen testified before the House Ways and Means Committee 
today on the IRS conservative targeting scandal."


/'Audience GASPS As IRS Commissioner Admits Missing Lois Lerner 
Hard Drive Was Trashed'/

Gateway Pundit:
http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/audience-gasps-as-irs-commissioner-admits-missing-lois-lerner-hard-drive-was-trashed/ 


>

On 6/19/2014 9:00 AM, Richard J. Williams wrote:
What if you woke up in the morning and the price for a gallon of 
gasoline at the pump was at $10.00? What if you woke up in the 
morning and you found out that Canada had almost completed a 
pipeline to deliver oil to Asia instead of to Canada and the U.S.? 
What if you woke up in the morning and your power had been cut off?


What if you woke up in the morning and you realized that 
everything was much worse than you thought? How much worse? Ten 
times worse. Go figure.


'Iraq: Why It's Worse Than You Think'
http://oilandgas-investments.com/2014/oil-prices/iraq-why-its-worse-than-you-think/
>
On 6/18/2014 9:51 AM, Richard J. Williams wrote:
What if you woke up one morning and the IRS had lost all your 
records and all your emails for the last two years? What if six 
IRS hard drives had crashed and all the records were just gone, 
disappeared? I wonder what would happen to the IT guy in charge 
of the servers at the IRS data center? What if the IRS 
Commissioner was called in before the U.S. Congress to testify 
under oath about the mysterious data loss?


What if you were audited by the IRS and your records were given 
to the FBI? Go figure.


'Missing E-Mail Is the Least of the IRS's Problems'
Bloomberg:
http://www.bloombergview.com/missing-e-mail/ 


>
On 6/12/2014 9:30 AM, Richard J. Williams wrote:
What if you opened your local newspaper and read that the recent 
surge of unauthorized immigrants from Central America was caused 
by the U.S. President and his administration failing to enforce 
immigration laws?


[FairfieldLife] Re: What If?

2014-06-25 Thread 'Richard J. Williams' pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife]
What if you woke up in the morning and you found out that the IRS had 
become weaponized? "...if the administration didn't target opponents, 
that would mean the IRS has become corrupt all on its own." Go figure.


http://www.nationalreview.com/article/380812/bureaucrats-bureaucrats-bureaucrats-jonah-goldberg

'IRS Admits Wrongdoing, to Pay $50,000 in Leaking of Marriage Group's 
Tax Return'

http://dailysignal.com/2014/06/24/irs-admits-wrongdoing-pay-5-leaking-marriage-groups-tax-return/
>
On 6/24/2014 10:54 AM, Richard J. Williams wrote:
What if you woke up in the morning and found out that the IRS was 
incompetent?


'However, Rep. Scott Desjarlais, R-Tenn. pointed out that $10-to-30 
million was not much compared to the $89 million the IRS paid in 
bonuses last year, including $1 million to employees who actually owed 
back taxes.'


http://www.wnd.com/2014/06/irs-chief-scorched-as-liar/

On 6/20/2014 1:28 PM, Richard J. Williams wrote:
What if you woke up in the morning and you found out that the FBI was 
going to subpoena all your Google searches on your home computer and 
mobile devices looking for searches about /how to destroy your hard 
drive?/


http://www.bloombergview.com/irs-conspiracy/ 


>
On 6/20/2014 12:24 PM, Richard J. Williams wrote:
/What if/ you woke up one morning and found out you were being 
audited by the IRS and that two years of your emails to the agency, 
which might prove your case, were found to be missing because of a 
computer hard drive crash; and what if seven other agency hard 
drives had crashed at the same time; and what if the email 
back-server for the agency had failed at the same time; and what if 
the magnetic tape backup of the backup had also failed?


/And, what if/ you woke up the next morning and the agency told you 
that your failed hard drive had been thrown in the trash?


"There were audible gasps in the room today when IRS Commissioner 
John Koskinen told Congress that Lerner's hard drive was tossed out. 
Koskinen testified before the House Ways and Means Committee today 
on the IRS conservative targeting scandal."


/'Audience GASPS As IRS Commissioner Admits Missing Lois Lerner Hard 
Drive Was Trashed'/

Gateway Pundit:
http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/audience-gasps-as-irs-commissioner-admits-missing-lois-lerner-hard-drive-was-trashed/ 


>

On 6/19/2014 9:00 AM, Richard J. Williams wrote:
What if you woke up in the morning and the price for a gallon of 
gasoline at the pump was at $10.00? What if you woke up in the 
morning and you found out that Canada had almost completed a 
pipeline to deliver oil to Asia instead of to Canada and the U.S.? 
What if you woke up in the morning and your power had been cut off?


What if you woke up in the morning and you realized that everything 
was much worse than you thought? How much worse? Ten times worse. 
Go figure.


'Iraq: Why It's Worse Than You Think'
http://oilandgas-investments.com/2014/oil-prices/iraq-why-its-worse-than-you-think/
>
On 6/18/2014 9:51 AM, Richard J. Williams wrote:
What if you woke up one morning and the IRS had lost all your 
records and all your emails for the last two years? What if six 
IRS hard drives had crashed and all the records were just gone, 
disappeared? I wonder what would happen to the IT guy in charge of 
the servers at the IRS data center? What if the IRS Commissioner 
was called in before the U.S. Congress to testify under oath about 
the mysterious data loss?


What if you were audited by the IRS and your records were given to 
the FBI? Go figure.


'Missing E-Mail Is the Least of the IRS's Problems'
Bloomberg:
http://www.bloombergview.com/missing-e-mail/ 


>
On 6/12/2014 9:30 AM, Richard J. Williams wrote:
What if you opened your local newspaper and read that the recent 
surge of unauthorized immigrants from Central America was caused 
by the U.S. President and his administration failing to enforce 
immigration laws?


And, that by releasing thousands of parents with children, you 
were going to have to pay billions of dollars in taxes for the 
housing and medical care of thousands of parents and their 
children. And, that the crises had left most of the U.S. - 
Mexican border in control of the Mexican drug cartels? And, that 
because of this political trick, your political party was going 
to lose a majority in the U.S. Senate.


What if?

HOUSTON, Texas--The massive influx of adults and minors crossing 
into the U.S. from Mexico, Guatemala, Honduras, and El Salvador 
has brought the Customs and Border Protection agency past its 
capacity to provide security at the U.S./Mexico border, according 
to the National Border Patrol Council (NBPC)...


Crisis 

[FairfieldLife] Re: What If?

2014-06-24 Thread 'Richard J. Williams' pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife]
What if you woke up in the morning and found out that the IRS was 
incompetent?


'However, Rep. Scott Desjarlais, R-Tenn. pointed out that $10-to-30 
million was not much compared to the $89 million the IRS paid in bonuses 
last year, including $1 million to employees who actually owed back taxes.'


http://www.wnd.com/2014/06/irs-chief-scorched-as-liar/

On 6/20/2014 1:28 PM, Richard J. Williams wrote:
What if you woke up in the morning and you found out that the FBI was 
going to subpoena all your Google searches on your home computer and 
mobile devices looking for searches about /how to destroy your hard 
drive?/


http://www.bloombergview.com/irs-conspiracy/ 


>
On 6/20/2014 12:24 PM, Richard J. Williams wrote:
/What if/ you woke up one morning and found out you were being 
audited by the IRS and that two years of your emails to the agency, 
which might prove your case, were found to be missing because of a 
computer hard drive crash; and what if seven other agency hard drives 
had crashed at the same time; and what if the email back-server for 
the agency had failed at the same time; and what if the magnetic tape 
backup of the backup had also failed?


/And, what if/ you woke up the next morning and the agency told you 
that your failed hard drive had been thrown in the trash?


"There were audible gasps in the room today when IRS Commissioner 
John Koskinen told Congress that Lerner's hard drive was tossed out. 
Koskinen testified before the House Ways and Means Committee today on 
the IRS conservative targeting scandal."


/'Audience GASPS As IRS Commissioner Admits Missing Lois Lerner Hard 
Drive Was Trashed'/

Gateway Pundit:
http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/audience-gasps-as-irs-commissioner-admits-missing-lois-lerner-hard-drive-was-trashed/ 


>

On 6/19/2014 9:00 AM, Richard J. Williams wrote:
What if you woke up in the morning and the price for a gallon of 
gasoline at the pump was at $10.00? What if you woke up in the 
morning and you found out that Canada had almost completed a 
pipeline to deliver oil to Asia instead of to Canada and the U.S.? 
What if you woke up in the morning and your power had been cut off?


What if you woke up in the morning and you realized that everything 
was much worse than you thought? How much worse? Ten times worse. Go 
figure.


'Iraq: Why It's Worse Than You Think'
http://oilandgas-investments.com/2014/oil-prices/iraq-why-its-worse-than-you-think/
>
On 6/18/2014 9:51 AM, Richard J. Williams wrote:
What if you woke up one morning and the IRS had lost all your 
records and all your emails for the last two years? What if six IRS 
hard drives had crashed and all the records were just gone, 
disappeared? I wonder what would happen to the IT guy in charge of 
the servers at the IRS data center? What if the IRS Commissioner 
was called in before the U.S. Congress to testify under oath about 
the mysterious data loss?


What if you were audited by the IRS and your records were given to 
the FBI? Go figure.


'Missing E-Mail Is the Least of the IRS's Problems'
Bloomberg:
http://www.bloombergview.com/missing-e-mail/ 


>
On 6/12/2014 9:30 AM, Richard J. Williams wrote:
What if you opened your local newspaper and read that the recent 
surge of unauthorized immigrants from Central America was caused 
by the U.S. President and his administration failing to enforce 
immigration laws?


And, that by releasing thousands of parents with children, you 
were going to have to pay billions of dollars in taxes for the 
housing and medical care of thousands of parents and their 
children. And, that the crises had left most of the U.S. - Mexican 
border in control of the Mexican drug cartels? And, that because 
of this political trick, your political party was going to lose a 
majority in the U.S. Senate.


What if?

HOUSTON, Texas--The massive influx of adults and minors crossing 
into the U.S. from Mexico, Guatemala, Honduras, and El Salvador 
has brought the Customs and Border Protection agency past its 
capacity to provide security at the U.S./Mexico border, according 
to the National Border Patrol Council (NBPC)...


Crisis Leaves 'Vast Swaths' of Border Unprotected, Cartels 'in 
Control'

http://tinyurl.com/mfwgp5v

Homeland Security Secretary Jeh Johnson faced tough questions from 
Congress on Wednesday about a recent surge in illegal immigration, 
and agreed with lawmakers that a wave of unaccompanied children 
crossing illegally into the U.S. constitutes a "humanitarian 
crisis..."


'Homeland Security chief in hot seat over surge in illegal 
immigrants'

http://tinyurl.com/mat3ggz












Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: What If?

2014-06-23 Thread 'Richard J. Williams' pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife]
What if you woke up in the morning and found out that the civil war in 
Iraq and Syria had spread to Jordan?


"The Syrian civil war is no longer the Syrian civil war. It’s a regional 
war that started in Syria, has expanded into Lebanon and Iraq, and has 
drawn in the Iranians and to a lesser extent the Kurds and the Israelis. 
Wars in North Africa tend to stay local, but wars in the Levant spill 
over and suck in the neighbors. There’s no reason to believe this war 
has finished expanding or that an end is in sight." - Michael J. Totten


http://www.worldaffairsjournal.org/blog/michael-j-totten/consequences-syria
>

On 6/23/2014 10:00 AM, Mike Dixon mdixon.6...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] 
wrote:
I just noticed the latest Gallup Poll. Obama sank bellow G W Bush and 
even Carter in favorability rating. Highest of living presidents was 
Clinton with 64%, followed by GHW Bush with 63%. Next was W at 53% and 
Carter with 52%. Obama brought up the tail with 47% but he still has 
another year and a half to go. At the rate, could easily end in the 
20% range if he isn't impeached first.



On Monday, June 23, 2014 5:58 AM, "'Richard J. Williams' 
pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife]"  
wrote:



What if you woke up in the morning and you found out that the U.S. had 
lost the war on terrorism and that terrorists had taken over half of 
the Middle East?


What if you woke up one morning and you found out that instead of 
beating al Qaeda back, it had doubled in size? What if you woke up in 
the morning and you found out that your president had lied about 
winning the war against the terrorists and that they were about to 
take Baghdad? What if you woke in the morning and you read in the 
newspaper that the borders of Syria, Jordan, and Iraq had crumbled?


"Sunni tribes took the Turaibil border crossing, the only legal 
crossing point between Iraq and Jordan, after Iraqi security forces 
fled, Iraqi and Jordanian security sources said."


'Iraq loses control of Syrian, Jordanian borders'
Reuters, June 23, 2014
http://news.yahoo.com/kerry-lands-baghdad-press-maliki-insurgency-spreads-081007211.html
>


On 6/20/2014 1:28 PM, Richard J. Williams wrote:
What if you woke up in the morning and you found out that the FBI was 
going to subpoena all your Google searches on your home computer and 
mobile devices looking for searches about /how to destroy your hard 
drive?/


http://www.bloombergview.com/articles/2014-06-19/an-irs-conspiracy-not-likely-yet
>
On 6/20/2014 12:24 PM, Richard J. Williams wrote:
/What if/ you woke up one morning and found out you were being 
audited by the IRS and that two years of your emails to the agency, 
which might prove your case, were found to be missing because of a 
computer hard drive crash; and what if seven other agency hard 
drives had crashed at the same time; and what if the email 
back-server for the agency had failed at the same time; and what if 
the magnetic tape backup of the backup had also failed?


/And, what if/ you woke up the next morning and the agency told you 
that your failed hard drive had been thrown in the trash?


"There were audible gasps in the room today when IRS Commissioner 
John Koskinen told Congress that Lerner’s hard drive was tossed out. 
Koskinen testified before the House Ways and Means Committee today 
on the IRS conservative targeting scandal."


/'Audience GASPS As IRS Commissioner Admits Missing Lois Lerner Hard 
Drive Was Trashed'/

Gateway Pundit:
http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2014/06/audience-gasps-as-irs-commissioner-admits-missing-lois-lerner-hard-drive-was-trashed-video/
>

On 6/19/2014 9:00 AM, Richard J. Williams wrote:
What if you woke up in the morning and the price for a gallon of 
gasoline at the pump was at $10.00? What if you woke up in the 
morning and you found out that Canada had almost completed a 
pipeline to deliver oil to Asia instead of to Canada and the U.S.? 
What if you woke up in the morning and your power had been cut off?


What if you woke up in the morning and you realized that everything 
was much worse than you thought? How much worse? Ten times worse. 
Go figure.


'Iraq: Why It’s Worse Than You Think'
http://oilandgas-investments.com/2014/oil-prices/iraq-why-its-worse-than-you-think/
>
On 6/18/2014 9:51 AM, Richard J. Williams wrote:
What if you woke up one morning and the IRS had lost all your 
records and all your emails for the last two years? What if six 
IRS hard drives had crashed and all the records were just gone, 
disappeared? I wonder what would happen to the IT guy in charge of 
the servers at the IRS data center? What if the IRS Commissioner 
was called in before the U.S. Congress to testify under oath about 
the mysterious data loss?


What if you were audited by the IRS and your records were given to 
the FBI? Go figure.


'Missing E-Mail Is the Least of the IRS's Problems'
Bloomberg:
http://www.bloombergview.com/articles/2014-06-17/missing-e-mail-is-the-least-of-the-irs-s-problems
>
On 6/12/2014 9

[FairfieldLife] Re: What If?

2014-06-23 Thread 'Richard J. Williams' pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife]
What if you woke up in the morning and went to school and you told your 
teacher that the dog ate your homework?

>
On 6/20/2014 1:28 PM, Richard J. Williams wrote:
What if you woke up in the morning and you found out that the FBI was 
going to subpoena all your Google searches on your home computer and 
mobile devices looking for searches about /how to destroy your hard 
drive?/


http://www.bloombergview.com/irs-conspiracy/ 


>
On 6/20/2014 12:24 PM, Richard J. Williams wrote:
/What if/ you woke up one morning and found out you were being 
audited by the IRS and that two years of your emails to the agency, 
which might prove your case, were found to be missing because of a 
computer hard drive crash; and what if seven other agency hard drives 
had crashed at the same time; and what if the email back-server for 
the agency had failed at the same time; and what if the magnetic tape 
backup of the backup had also failed?


/And, what if/ you woke up the next morning and the agency told you 
that your failed hard drive had been thrown in the trash?


"There were audible gasps in the room today when IRS Commissioner 
John Koskinen told Congress that Lerner's hard drive was tossed out. 
Koskinen testified before the House Ways and Means Committee today on 
the IRS conservative targeting scandal."


/'Audience GASPS As IRS Commissioner Admits Missing Lois Lerner Hard 
Drive Was Trashed'/

Gateway Pundit:
http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/audience-gasps-as-irs-commissioner-admits-missing-lois-lerner-hard-drive-was-trashed/ 


>

On 6/19/2014 9:00 AM, Richard J. Williams wrote:
What if you woke up in the morning and the price for a gallon of 
gasoline at the pump was at $10.00? What if you woke up in the 
morning and you found out that Canada had almost completed a 
pipeline to deliver oil to Asia instead of to Canada and the U.S.? 
What if you woke up in the morning and your power had been cut off?


What if you woke up in the morning and you realized that everything 
was much worse than you thought? How much worse? Ten times worse. Go 
figure.


'Iraq: Why It's Worse Than You Think'
http://oilandgas-investments.com/2014/oil-prices/iraq-why-its-worse-than-you-think/
>
On 6/18/2014 9:51 AM, Richard J. Williams wrote:
What if you woke up one morning and the IRS had lost all your 
records and all your emails for the last two years? What if six IRS 
hard drives had crashed and all the records were just gone, 
disappeared? I wonder what would happen to the IT guy in charge of 
the servers at the IRS data center? What if the IRS Commissioner 
was called in before the U.S. Congress to testify under oath about 
the mysterious data loss?


What if you were audited by the IRS and your records were given to 
the FBI? Go figure.


'Missing E-Mail Is the Least of the IRS's Problems'
Bloomberg:
http://www.bloombergview.com/missing-e-mail/ 


>
On 6/12/2014 9:30 AM, Richard J. Williams wrote:
What if you opened your local newspaper and read that the recent 
surge of unauthorized immigrants from Central America was caused 
by the U.S. President and his administration failing to enforce 
immigration laws?


And, that by releasing thousands of parents with children, you 
were going to have to pay billions of dollars in taxes for the 
housing and medical care of thousands of parents and their 
children. And, that the crises had left most of the U.S. - Mexican 
border in control of the Mexican drug cartels? And, that because 
of this political trick, your political party was going to lose a 
majority in the U.S. Senate.


What if?

HOUSTON, Texas--The massive influx of adults and minors crossing 
into the U.S. from Mexico, Guatemala, Honduras, and El Salvador 
has brought the Customs and Border Protection agency past its 
capacity to provide security at the U.S./Mexico border, according 
to the National Border Patrol Council (NBPC)...


Crisis Leaves 'Vast Swaths' of Border Unprotected, Cartels 'in 
Control'

http://tinyurl.com/mfwgp5v

Homeland Security Secretary Jeh Johnson faced tough questions from 
Congress on Wednesday about a recent surge in illegal immigration, 
and agreed with lawmakers that a wave of unaccompanied children 
crossing illegally into the U.S. constitutes a "humanitarian 
crisis..."


'Homeland Security chief in hot seat over surge in illegal 
immigrants'

http://tinyurl.com/mat3ggz












Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: What If?

2014-06-23 Thread 'Richard J. Williams' pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife]

What if you woke up in the morning and there was a Tweeter block?
>
On 6/23/2014 11:49 AM, emptyb...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote:


What do you mean by "if". Don't you watch the news?






[FairfieldLife] Re: What If?

2014-06-23 Thread emptyb...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
What do you mean by "if". Don't you watch the news?



Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: What If?

2014-06-23 Thread Mike Dixon mdixon.6...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
I just noticed the latest Gallup Poll. Obama sank bellow G W Bush and even 
Carter in favorability rating. Highest of living presidents was Clinton with 
64%, followed by GHW Bush with 63%. Next was W at 53% and Carter with 52%. 
Obama brought up the tail with 47% but he still has another year and a half to 
go. At the rate, could easily end in the 20% range if he isn't impeached first. 


On Monday, June 23, 2014 5:58 AM, "'Richard J. Williams' pundits...@gmail.com 
[FairfieldLife]"  wrote:
  


  
What if you woke up in the morning and you found out that the U.S. had lost the 
war on terrorism and that terrorists had taken over half of the Middle East? 

What if you woke up one morning and you found out that instead of
  beating al Qaeda back, it had doubled in size? What if you woke up
  in the morning and you found out that your president had lied
  about winning the war against the terrorists and that they were
  about to take Baghdad? What if you woke in the morning and you
  read in the newspaper that the borders of Syria, Jordan, and Iraq
  had crumbled?

"Sunni tribes took the Turaibil border crossing, the only legal
  crossing point between Iraq and Jordan, after Iraqi security
  forces fled, Iraqi and Jordanian security sources said."

'Iraq loses control of Syrian, Jordanian borders'
Reuters, June 23, 2014
http://news.yahoo.com/kerry-lands-baghdad-press-maliki-insurgency-spreads-081007211.html
>


On 6/20/2014 1:28 PM, Richard J. Williams wrote:
 
What if you woke up in the morning and you found out that the FBI was going to 
subpoena all your Google searches on your home computer and mobile devices 
looking for searches about how to destroy your hard drive?
>
>http://www.bloombergview.com/articles/2014-06-19/an-irs-conspiracy-not-likely-yet
>>
>On 6/20/2014 12:24 PM, Richard J. Williams wrote:
> 
>What if you woke up one morning and found out you were being audited by the 
>IRS and that two years of your emails to the agency, which might prove your 
>case, were found to be missing because of a computer hard drive crash; and 
>what if seven other agency hard drives had crashed at the same time; and what 
>if the email back-server for the agency had failed at the same time; and what 
>if the magnetic tape backup of the backup had also failed?
>>
>>And, what if you woke up the next morning and the agency told you that your 
>>failed hard drive had been thrown in the trash?
>>
>>"There were audible gasps in the room today when IRS
  Commissioner John Koskinen told Congress that Lerner’s hard
  drive was tossed out. Koskinen testified before the House Ways
  and Means Committee today on the IRS conservative targeting
  scandal."
>>
>>'Audience GASPS As IRS Commissioner Admits Missing Lois Lerner Hard Drive Was 
>>Trashed'
>>Gateway Pundit:
>>http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2014/06/audience-gasps-as-irs-commissioner-admits-missing-lois-lerner-hard-drive-was-trashed-video/
>>>
>>
>>On 6/19/2014 9:00 AM, Richard J. Williams wrote:
>> 
>>What if you woke up in the morning and the price for a gallon of gasoline at 
>>the pump was at $10.00? What if you woke up in the morning and you found out 
>>that Canada had almost completed a pipeline to deliver oil to Asia instead of 
>>to Canada and the U.S.? What if you woke up in the morning and your power had 
>>been cut off?
>>>
>>>What if you woke up in the morning and you realized that
everything was much worse than you thought? How much worse?
Ten times worse. Go figure.
>>>
>>>'Iraq: Why It’s Worse Than You Think'
>>>http://oilandgas-investments.com/2014/oil-prices/iraq-why-its-worse-than-you-think/

>>>On 6/18/2014 9:51 AM, Richard J. Williams wrote:
>>> 
>>>What if you woke up one morning and the IRS had lost all your records and 
>>>all your emails for the last two years? What if six IRS hard drives had 
>>>crashed and all the records were just gone, disappeared? I wonder what would 
>>>happen to the IT guy in charge of the servers at the IRS data center? What 
>>>if the IRS Commissioner was called in before the U.S. Congress to testify 
>>>under oath about the mysterious data loss?

What if you were audited by the IRS and your records were
  given to the FBI? Go figure.

'Missing E-Mail Is the Least of the IRS's Problems'
Bloomberg:
http://www.bloombergview.com/articles/2014-06-17/missing-e-mail-is-the-least-of-the-irs-s-problems
>
On 6/12/2014 9:30 AM, Richard J. Williams wrote:
 
What if you opened your local newspaper and read that the recent surge of 
unauthorized immigrants from Central America was caused by the U.S. 
President and his administration failing to enforce immigration laws? 
>
>And, that by releasing thousands of parents with children,
  you were going to have to pay billions of dollars in taxes
  for the housing and medical care of thousands of parents

[FairfieldLife] Re: What If?

2014-06-23 Thread 'Richard J. Williams' pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife]
What if you woke up in the morning and you found out that the U.S. had 
lost the war on terrorism and that terrorists had taken over half of the 
Middle East?


What if you woke up one morning and you found out that instead of 
beating al Qaeda back, it had doubled in size? What if you woke up in 
the morning and you found out that your president had lied about winning 
the war against the terrorists and that they were about to take Baghdad? 
What if you woke in the morning and you read in the newspaper that the 
borders of Syria, Jordan, and Iraq had crumbled?


"Sunni tribes took the Turaibil border crossing, the only legal crossing 
point between Iraq and Jordan, after Iraqi security forces fled, Iraqi 
and Jordanian security sources said."


'Iraq loses control of Syrian, Jordanian borders'
Reuters, June 23, 2014
http://news.yahoo.com/kerry-lands-baghdad-press-maliki-insurgency-spreads-081007211.html
>


On 6/20/2014 1:28 PM, Richard J. Williams wrote:
What if you woke up in the morning and you found out that the FBI was 
going to subpoena all your Google searches on your home computer and 
mobile devices looking for searches about /how to destroy your hard 
drive?/


http://www.bloombergview.com/irs-conspiracy/ 


>
On 6/20/2014 12:24 PM, Richard J. Williams wrote:
/What if/ you woke up one morning and found out you were being 
audited by the IRS and that two years of your emails to the agency, 
which might prove your case, were found to be missing because of a 
computer hard drive crash; and what if seven other agency hard drives 
had crashed at the same time; and what if the email back-server for 
the agency had failed at the same time; and what if the magnetic tape 
backup of the backup had also failed?


/And, what if/ you woke up the next morning and the agency told you 
that your failed hard drive had been thrown in the trash?


"There were audible gasps in the room today when IRS Commissioner 
John Koskinen told Congress that Lerner's hard drive was tossed out. 
Koskinen testified before the House Ways and Means Committee today on 
the IRS conservative targeting scandal."


/'Audience GASPS As IRS Commissioner Admits Missing Lois Lerner Hard 
Drive Was Trashed'/

Gateway Pundit:
http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/audience-gasps-as-irs-commissioner-admits-missing-lois-lerner-hard-drive-was-trashed/ 


>

On 6/19/2014 9:00 AM, Richard J. Williams wrote:
What if you woke up in the morning and the price for a gallon of 
gasoline at the pump was at $10.00? What if you woke up in the 
morning and you found out that Canada had almost completed a 
pipeline to deliver oil to Asia instead of to Canada and the U.S.? 
What if you woke up in the morning and your power had been cut off?


What if you woke up in the morning and you realized that everything 
was much worse than you thought? How much worse? Ten times worse. Go 
figure.


'Iraq: Why It's Worse Than You Think'
http://oilandgas-investments.com/2014/oil-prices/iraq-why-its-worse-than-you-think/
>
On 6/18/2014 9:51 AM, Richard J. Williams wrote:
What if you woke up one morning and the IRS had lost all your 
records and all your emails for the last two years? What if six IRS 
hard drives had crashed and all the records were just gone, 
disappeared? I wonder what would happen to the IT guy in charge of 
the servers at the IRS data center? What if the IRS Commissioner 
was called in before the U.S. Congress to testify under oath about 
the mysterious data loss?


What if you were audited by the IRS and your records were given to 
the FBI? Go figure.


'Missing E-Mail Is the Least of the IRS's Problems'
Bloomberg:
http://www.bloombergview.com/missing-e-mail/ 


>
On 6/12/2014 9:30 AM, Richard J. Williams wrote:
What if you opened your local newspaper and read that the recent 
surge of unauthorized immigrants from Central America was caused 
by the U.S. President and his administration failing to enforce 
immigration laws?


And, that by releasing thousands of parents with children, you 
were going to have to pay billions of dollars in taxes for the 
housing and medical care of thousands of parents and their 
children. And, that the crises had left most of the U.S. - Mexican 
border in control of the Mexican drug cartels? And, that because 
of this political trick, your political party was going to lose a 
majority in the U.S. Senate.


What if?

HOUSTON, Texas--The massive influx of adults and minors crossing 
into the U.S. from Mexico, Guatemala, Honduras, and El Salvador 
has brought the Customs and Border Protection agency past its 
capacity to provide security at the U.S./Mexico border, according 
to the National Border Patrol Council (NBPC).

[FairfieldLife] Re: What If?

2014-06-20 Thread 'Richard J. Williams' pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife]
What if you woke up in the morning and you found out that the FBI was 
going to subpoena all your Google searches on your home computer and 
mobile devices looking for searches about /how to destroy your hard drive?/


http://www.bloombergview.com/irs-conspiracy/ 


>
On 6/20/2014 12:24 PM, Richard J. Williams wrote:
/What if/ you woke up one morning and found out you were being audited 
by the IRS and that two years of your emails to the agency, which 
might prove your case, were found to be missing because of a computer 
hard drive crash; and what if seven other agency hard drives had 
crashed at the same time; and what if the email back-server for the 
agency had failed at the same time; and what if the magnetic tape 
backup of the backup had also failed?


/And, what if/ you woke up the next morning and the agency told you 
that your failed hard drive had been thrown in the trash?


"There were audible gasps in the room today when IRS Commissioner John 
Koskinen told Congress that Lerner's hard drive was tossed out. 
Koskinen testified before the House Ways and Means Committee today on 
the IRS conservative targeting scandal."


/'Audience GASPS As IRS Commissioner Admits Missing Lois Lerner Hard 
Drive Was Trashed'/

Gateway Pundit:
http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/audience-gasps-as-irs-commissioner-admits-missing-lois-lerner-hard-drive-was-trashed/ 


>

On 6/19/2014 9:00 AM, Richard J. Williams wrote:
What if you woke up in the morning and the price for a gallon of 
gasoline at the pump was at $10.00? What if you woke up in the 
morning and you found out that Canada had almost completed a pipeline 
to deliver oil to Asia instead of to Canada and the U.S.? What if you 
woke up in the morning and your power had been cut off?


What if you woke up in the morning and you realized that everything 
was much worse than you thought? How much worse? Ten times worse. Go 
figure.


'Iraq: Why It's Worse Than You Think'
http://oilandgas-investments.com/2014/oil-prices/iraq-why-its-worse-than-you-think/
>
On 6/18/2014 9:51 AM, Richard J. Williams wrote:
What if you woke up one morning and the IRS had lost all your 
records and all your emails for the last two years? What if six IRS 
hard drives had crashed and all the records were just gone, 
disappeared? I wonder what would happen to the IT guy in charge of 
the servers at the IRS data center? What if the IRS Commissioner was 
called in before the U.S. Congress to testify under oath about the 
mysterious data loss?


What if you were audited by the IRS and your records were given to 
the FBI? Go figure.


'Missing E-Mail Is the Least of the IRS's Problems'
Bloomberg:
http://www.bloombergview.com/missing-e-mail/ 


>
On 6/12/2014 9:30 AM, Richard J. Williams wrote:
What if you opened your local newspaper and read that the recent 
surge of unauthorized immigrants from Central America was caused by 
the U.S. President and his administration failing to enforce 
immigration laws?


And, that by releasing thousands of parents with children, you were 
going to have to pay billions of dollars in taxes for the housing 
and medical care of thousands of parents and their children. And, 
that the crises had left most of the U.S. - Mexican border in 
control of the Mexican drug cartels? And, that because of this 
political trick, your political party was going to lose a majority 
in the U.S. Senate.


What if?

HOUSTON, Texas--The massive influx of adults and minors crossing 
into the U.S. from Mexico, Guatemala, Honduras, and El Salvador has 
brought the Customs and Border Protection agency past its capacity 
to provide security at the U.S./Mexico border, according to the 
National Border Patrol Council (NBPC)...


Crisis Leaves 'Vast Swaths' of Border Unprotected, Cartels 'in 
Control'

http://tinyurl.com/mfwgp5v

Homeland Security Secretary Jeh Johnson faced tough questions from 
Congress on Wednesday about a recent surge in illegal immigration, 
and agreed with lawmakers that a wave of unaccompanied children 
crossing illegally into the U.S. constitutes a "humanitarian 
crisis..."


'Homeland Security chief in hot seat over surge in illegal immigrants'
http://tinyurl.com/mat3ggz










[FairfieldLife] Re: What If?

2014-06-20 Thread 'Richard J. Williams' pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife]
/What if/ you woke up one morning and found out you were being audited 
by the IRS and that two years of your emails to the agency, which might 
prove your case, were found to be missing because of a computer hard 
drive crash; and what if seven other agency hard drives had crashed at 
the same time; and what if the email back-server for the agency had 
failed at the same time; and what if the magnetic tape backup of the 
backup had also failed?


/And, what if/ you woke up the next morning and the agency told you that 
your failed hard drive had been thrown in the trash?


"There were audible gasps in the room today when IRS Commissioner John 
Koskinen told Congress that Lerner's hard drive was tossed out. Koskinen 
testified before the House Ways and Means Committee today on the IRS 
conservative targeting scandal."


/'Audience GASPS As IRS Commissioner Admits Missing Lois Lerner Hard 
Drive Was Trashed'/

Gateway Pundit:
http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/audience-gasps-as-irs-commissioner-admits-missing-lois-lerner-hard-drive-was-trashed/ 


>

On 6/19/2014 9:00 AM, Richard J. Williams wrote:
What if you woke up in the morning and the price for a gallon of 
gasoline at the pump was at $10.00? What if you woke up in the morning 
and you found out that Canada had almost completed a pipeline to 
deliver oil to Asia instead of to Canada and the U.S.? What if you 
woke up in the morning and your power had been cut off?


What if you woke up in the morning and you realized that everything 
was much worse than you thought? How much worse? Ten times worse. Go 
figure.


'Iraq: Why It's Worse Than You Think'
http://oilandgas-investments.com/2014/oil-prices/iraq-why-its-worse-than-you-think/
>
On 6/18/2014 9:51 AM, Richard J. Williams wrote:
What if you woke up one morning and the IRS had lost all your records 
and all your emails for the last two years? What if six IRS hard 
drives had crashed and all the records were just gone, disappeared? I 
wonder what would happen to the IT guy in charge of the servers at 
the IRS data center? What if the IRS Commissioner was called in 
before the U.S. Congress to testify under oath about the mysterious 
data loss?


What if you were audited by the IRS and your records were given to 
the FBI? Go figure.


'Missing E-Mail Is the Least of the IRS's Problems'
Bloomberg:
http://www.bloombergview.com/missing-e-mail/ 


>
On 6/12/2014 9:30 AM, Richard J. Williams wrote:
What if you opened your local newspaper and read that the recent 
surge of unauthorized immigrants from Central America was caused by 
the U.S. President and his administration failing to enforce 
immigration laws?


And, that by releasing thousands of parents with children, you were 
going to have to pay billions of dollars in taxes for the housing 
and medical care of thousands of parents and their children. And, 
that the crises had left most of the U.S. - Mexican border in 
control of the Mexican drug cartels? And, that because of this 
political trick, your political party was going to lose a majority 
in the U.S. Senate.


What if?

HOUSTON, Texas--The massive influx of adults and minors crossing 
into the U.S. from Mexico, Guatemala, Honduras, and El Salvador has 
brought the Customs and Border Protection agency past its capacity 
to provide security at the U.S./Mexico border, according to the 
National Border Patrol Council (NBPC)...


Crisis Leaves 'Vast Swaths' of Border Unprotected, Cartels 'in Control'
http://tinyurl.com/mfwgp5v

Homeland Security Secretary Jeh Johnson faced tough questions from 
Congress on Wednesday about a recent surge in illegal immigration, 
and agreed with lawmakers that a wave of unaccompanied children 
crossing illegally into the U.S. constitutes a "humanitarian crisis..."


'Homeland Security chief in hot seat over surge in illegal immigrants'
http://tinyurl.com/mat3ggz








Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: What If?

2014-06-20 Thread Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
Ann, thanks for the article. Richard I had the thought during program that I 
bet nano technology could be used to make these pipelines even safer than they 
are, maybe even more photogenic!



On Thursday, June 19, 2014 12:50 PM, "'Richard J. Williams' 
pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife]"  wrote:
 


  
On 6/19/2014 10:35 AM, awoelfleba...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote:

  
>
>
>---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :
>
>
>Richard, why would Canada complete a pipeline to deliver oil to Asia rather 
>than to its own citizens and the US?
>
>
>http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/northern-gateway-ottawa-s-green-light-for-enbridge-has-many-in-b-c-seeing-red-1.2679492
>
>
Millions of barrels of oil are transported by sea and rail every
year in Canada and to the States, so a pipeline would be safer for
the environment. The question is, how to lower the high cost of fuel
and gas? 
>


>
>On Thursday, June 19, 2014 9:00 AM, "'Richard J. Williams' punditster@... 
>[FairfieldLife]"  wrote:
>>
  
>
> 
>What if you woke up in the morning and the price for a gallon of gasoline at 
>the pump was at $10.00? What if you woke up in the morning and you found out 
>that Canada had almost completed a pipeline to deliver oil to Asia instead of 
>to Canada and the U.S.? What if you woke up in the morning and your power had 
>been cut off?
>
>What if you woke up in the morning
  and you realized that
  everything was much worse than you
  thought? How much worse? Ten
  times worse. Go figure.
>
>'Iraq: Why It’s Worse Than You
  Think'
>http://oilandgas-investments.com/2014/oil-prices/iraq-why-its-worse-than-you-think/
>>
>On 6/18/2014 9:51 AM, Richard J.
  Williams wrote:
>
>What if you woke up one morning and the IRS had lost all your records and all 
>your emails for the last two years? What if six IRS hard drives had crashed 
>and all the records were just gone, disappeared? I wonder what would happen to 
>the IT guy in charge of the servers at the IRS data center? What if the IRS 
>Commissioner was called in before the U.S. Congress to testify under oath 
>about the mysterious data loss?
>>
>>What if you were audited by
  the IRS and your records were
  given
  to the FBI? Go figure.
>>
>>'Missing E-Mail Is the Least
  of the IRS's Problems'
>>Bloomberg:
>>http://www.bloombergview.com/missing-e-mail/
>>>
>>On 6/12/2014 9:30 AM, Richard
  J. Williams wrote:
>>
>>What if you opened your local newspaper and read that the recent surge of 
>>unauthorized immigrants from Central America was caused by the U.S. President 
>>and his administration failing to enforce immigration laws? 
>>>
>>>And, that by releasing
  thousands of parents with
  children, you
  were going to have to pay
  billions of dollars in taxes
  for the
  housing and medical care of
  thousands of parents and their
  children. And, that the crises
  had left most of the U.S. -
  Mexican border in control of
  the Mexican drug cartels? And,
  that
  because of this political
  trick, your political party
  was going
  to lose a majority in the U.S.
  Senate. 
>>>
>>>What if? 
>>>
>>>HOUSTON, Texas--The massive
  influx of adults and minors
  crossing
  into the U.S. from Mexico,
  Guatemala, Honduras, and El
  Salvador
  has brought the Customs and
  Border Protection agency past
  its
  capacity to provide security
  at the U.S./Mexico border,
  according to the National
  Border Patr

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: What If?

2014-06-19 Thread 'Richard J. Williams' pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife]

On 6/19/2014 10:35 AM, awoelfleba...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote:


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

Richard, why would Canada complete a pipeline to deliver oil to Asia 
rather than to its own citizens and the US?


http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/northern-gateway-ottawa-s-green-light-for-enbridge-has-many-in-b-c-seeing-red-1.2679492

>
Millions of barrels of oil are transported by sea and rail every year in 
Canada and to the States, so a pipeline would be safer for the 
environment. The question is, how to lower the high cost of fuel and gas?

>


On Thursday, June 19, 2014 9:00 AM, "'Richard J. Williams'
punditster@... [FairfieldLife]"  wrote:


What if you woke up in the morning and the price for a gallon of 
gasoline at the pump was at $10.00? What if you woke up in the morning 
and you found out that Canada had almost completed a pipeline to 
deliver oil to Asia instead of to Canada and the U.S.? What if you 
woke up in the morning and your power had been cut off?


What if you woke up in the morning and you realized that everything 
was much worse than you thought? How much worse? Ten times worse. Go 
figure.


'Iraq: Why It’s Worse Than You Think'
http://oilandgas-investments.com/2014/oil-prices/iraq-why-its-worse-than-you-think/
>
On 6/18/2014 9:51 AM, Richard J. Williams wrote:
What if you woke up one morning and the IRS had lost all your records 
and all your emails for the last two years? What if six IRS hard 
drives had crashed and all the records were just gone, disappeared? I 
wonder what would happen to the IT guy in charge of the servers at 
the IRS data center? What if the IRS Commissioner was called in 
before the U.S. Congress to testify under oath about the mysterious 
data loss?


What if you were audited by the IRS and your records were given to 
the FBI? Go figure.


'Missing E-Mail Is the Least of the IRS's Problems'
Bloomberg:
http://www.bloombergview.com/missing-e-mail/ 


>
On 6/12/2014 9:30 AM, Richard J. Williams wrote:
What if you opened your local newspaper and read that the recent 
surge of unauthorized immigrants from Central America was caused by 
the U.S. President and his administration failing to enforce 
immigration laws?


And, that by releasing thousands of parents with children, you were 
going to have to pay billions of dollars in taxes for the housing 
and medical care of thousands of parents and their children. And, 
that the crises had left most of the U.S. - Mexican border in 
control of the Mexican drug cartels? And, that because of this 
political trick, your political party was going to lose a majority 
in the U.S. Senate.


What if?

HOUSTON, Texas--The massive influx of adults and minors crossing 
into the U.S. from Mexico, Guatemala, Honduras, and El Salvador has 
brought the Customs and Border Protection agency past its capacity 
to provide security at the U.S./Mexico border, according to the 
National Border Patrol Council (NBPC)...


Crisis Leaves 'Vast Swaths' of Border Unprotected, Cartels 'in Control'
http://tinyurl.com/mfwgp5v

Homeland Security Secretary Jeh Johnson faced tough questions from 
Congress on Wednesday about a recent surge in illegal immigration, 
and agreed with lawmakers that a wave of unaccompanied children 
crossing illegally into the U.S. constitutes a "humanitarian crisis..."


'Homeland Security chief in hot seat over surge in illegal immigrants'
http://tinyurl.com/mat3ggz











Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: What If?

2014-06-19 Thread 'Richard J. Williams' pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife]
On 6/19/2014 9:41 AM, Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] 
wrote:
Richard, why would Canada complete a pipeline to deliver oil to Asia 
rather than to its own citizens and the US?

>
The Keystone pipeline is still under environmental review by President 
Obama until after the 2014 mid-term elections. A majority of Americans 
and Canadian are in favor of completing the pipeline for economic 
reasons, but many people have concerns about environmental damage to the 
ecosystem. Also, many landowners don't approve of their land being taken 
by eminent domain in order to complete the pipeline. Those in favor of 
the pipeline see the U.S. becoming an oil exporting country rather than 
an importer of foreign oil.

>




On Thursday, June 19, 2014 9:00 AM, "'Richard J. Williams' 
pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife]"  
wrote:



What if you woke up in the morning and the price for a gallon of 
gasoline at the pump was at $10.00? What if you woke up in the morning 
and you found out that Canada had almost completed a pipeline to 
deliver oil to Asia instead of to Canada and the U.S.? What if you 
woke up in the morning and your power had been cut off?


What if you woke up in the morning and you realized that everything 
was much worse than you thought? How much worse? Ten times worse. Go 
figure.


'Iraq: Why It’s Worse Than You Think'
http://oilandgas-investments.com/2014/oil-prices/iraq-why-its-worse-than-you-think/
>
On 6/18/2014 9:51 AM, Richard J. Williams wrote:
What if you woke up one morning and the IRS had lost all your records 
and all your emails for the last two years? What if six IRS hard 
drives had crashed and all the records were just gone, disappeared? I 
wonder what would happen to the IT guy in charge of the servers at 
the IRS data center? What if the IRS Commissioner was called in 
before the U.S. Congress to testify under oath about the mysterious 
data loss?


What if you were audited by the IRS and your records were given to 
the FBI? Go figure.


'Missing E-Mail Is the Least of the IRS's Problems'
Bloomberg:
http://www.bloombergview.com/missing-e-mail/ 


>
On 6/12/2014 9:30 AM, Richard J. Williams wrote:
What if you opened your local newspaper and read that the recent 
surge of unauthorized immigrants from Central America was caused by 
the U.S. President and his administration failing to enforce 
immigration laws?


And, that by releasing thousands of parents with children, you were 
going to have to pay billions of dollars in taxes for the housing 
and medical care of thousands of parents and their children. And, 
that the crises had left most of the U.S. - Mexican border in 
control of the Mexican drug cartels? And, that because of this 
political trick, your political party was going to lose a majority 
in the U.S. Senate.


What if?

HOUSTON, Texas--The massive influx of adults and minors crossing 
into the U.S. from Mexico, Guatemala, Honduras, and El Salvador has 
brought the Customs and Border Protection agency past its capacity 
to provide security at the U.S./Mexico border, according to the 
National Border Patrol Council (NBPC)...


Crisis Leaves 'Vast Swaths' of Border Unprotected, Cartels 'in Control'
http://tinyurl.com/mfwgp5v

Homeland Security Secretary Jeh Johnson faced tough questions from 
Congress on Wednesday about a recent surge in illegal immigration, 
and agreed with lawmakers that a wave of unaccompanied children 
crossing illegally into the U.S. constitutes a "humanitarian crisis..."


'Homeland Security chief in hot seat over surge in illegal immigrants'
http://tinyurl.com/mat3ggz











Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: What If?

2014-06-19 Thread awoelfleba...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Richard, why would Canada complete a pipeline to deliver oil to Asia rather 
than to its own citizens and the US?
 

 
http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/northern-gateway-ottawa-s-green-light-for-enbridge-has-many-in-b-c-seeing-red-1.2679492
 
http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/northern-gateway-ottawa-s-green-light-for-enbridge-has-many-in-b-c-seeing-red-1.2679492

 

 

 


 On Thursday, June 19, 2014 9:00 AM, "'Richard J. Williams' punditster@... 
[FairfieldLife]"  wrote:
 
 

   
 What if you woke up in the morning and the price for a gallon of gasoline at 
the pump was at $10.00? What if you woke up in the morning and you found out 
that Canada had almost completed a pipeline to deliver oil to Asia instead of 
to Canada and the U.S.? What if you woke up in the morning and your power had 
been cut off?
 
 What if you woke up in the morning and you realized that everything was much 
worse than you thought? How much worse? Ten times worse. Go figure.
 
 'Iraq: Why It’s Worse Than You Think'
 
http://oilandgas-investments.com/2014/oil-prices/iraq-why-its-worse-than-you-think/
 
http://oilandgas-investments.com/2014/oil-prices/iraq-why-its-worse-than-you-think/
 >
 On 6/18/2014 9:51 AM, Richard J. Williams wrote:

 What if you woke up one morning and the IRS had lost all your records and all 
your emails for the last two years? What if six IRS hard drives had crashed and 
all the records were just gone, disappeared? I wonder what would happen to the 
IT guy in charge of the servers at the IRS data center? What if the IRS 
Commissioner was called in before the U.S. Congress to testify under oath about 
the mysterious data loss?
 
 What if you were audited by the IRS and your records were given to the FBI? Go 
figure.
 
 'Missing E-Mail Is the Least of the IRS's Problems'
 Bloomberg:
 http://www.bloombergview.com/missing-e-mail/ 
http://www.bloombergview.com/articles/2014-06-17/missing-e-mail-is-the-least-of-the-irs-s-problems
 >
 On 6/12/2014 9:30 AM, Richard J. Williams wrote:

 What if you opened your local newspaper and read that the recent surge of 
unauthorized immigrants from Central America was caused by the U.S. President 
and his administration failing to enforce immigration laws? 
 
 And, that by releasing thousands of parents with children, you were going to 
have to pay billions of dollars in taxes for the housing and medical care of 
thousands of parents and their children. And, that the crises had left most of 
the U.S. - Mexican border in control of the Mexican drug cartels? And, that 
because of this political trick, your political party was going to lose a 
majority in the U.S. Senate. 
 
 What if? 
 
 HOUSTON, Texas--The massive influx of adults and minors crossing into the U.S. 
from Mexico, Guatemala, Honduras, and El Salvador has brought the Customs and 
Border Protection agency past its capacity to provide security at the 
U.S./Mexico border, according to the National Border Patrol Council (NBPC)... 
 
 Crisis Leaves 'Vast Swaths' of Border Unprotected, Cartels 'in Control' 
 http://tinyurl.com/mfwgp5v http://tinyurl.com/mfwgp5v 
 
 Homeland Security Secretary Jeh Johnson faced tough questions from Congress on 
Wednesday about a recent surge in illegal immigration, and agreed with 
lawmakers that a wave of unaccompanied children crossing illegally into the 
U.S. constitutes a "humanitarian crisis..." 
 
 'Homeland Security chief in hot seat over surge in illegal immigrants' 
 http://tinyurl.com/mat3ggz http://tinyurl.com/mat3ggz 
 

 

 


 














Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: What If?

2014-06-19 Thread Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
Richard, why would Canada complete a pipeline to deliver oil to Asia rather 
than to its own citizens and the US?




On Thursday, June 19, 2014 9:00 AM, "'Richard J. Williams' pundits...@gmail.com 
[FairfieldLife]"  wrote:
 


  
What if you woke up in the morning and the price for a gallon of gasoline at 
the pump was at $10.00? What if you woke up in the morning and you found out 
that Canada had almost completed a pipeline to deliver oil to Asia instead of 
to Canada and the U.S.? What if you woke up in the morning and your power had 
been cut off?

What if you woke up in the morning and you realized that
  everything was much worse than you thought? How much worse? Ten
  times worse. Go figure.

'Iraq: Why It’s Worse Than You Think'
http://oilandgas-investments.com/2014/oil-prices/iraq-why-its-worse-than-you-think/
>
On 6/18/2014 9:51 AM, Richard J. Williams wrote:

What if you woke up one morning and the IRS had lost all your records and all 
your emails for the last two years? What if six IRS hard drives had crashed and 
all the records were just gone, disappeared? I wonder what would happen to the 
IT guy in charge of the servers at the IRS data center? What if the IRS 
Commissioner was called in before the U.S. Congress to testify under oath about 
the mysterious data loss?
>
>What if you were audited by the IRS and your records were given
to the FBI? Go figure.
>
>'Missing E-Mail Is the Least of the IRS's Problems'
>Bloomberg:
>http://www.bloombergview.com/missing-e-mail/
>>
>On 6/12/2014 9:30 AM, Richard J. Williams wrote:
>
>What if you opened your local newspaper and read that the recent surge of 
>unauthorized immigrants from Central America was caused by the U.S. President 
>and his administration failing to enforce immigration laws? 
>>
>>And, that by releasing thousands of parents with children, you
were going to have to pay billions of dollars in taxes for the
housing and medical care of thousands of parents and their
children. And, that the crises had left most of the U.S. -
Mexican border in control of the Mexican drug cartels? And, that
because of this political trick, your political party was going
to lose a majority in the U.S. Senate. 
>>
>>What if? 
>>
>>HOUSTON, Texas--The massive influx of adults and minors crossing
into the U.S. from Mexico, Guatemala, Honduras, and El Salvador
has brought the Customs and Border Protection agency past its
capacity to provide security at the U.S./Mexico border,
according to the National Border Patrol Council (NBPC)... 
>>
>>Crisis Leaves 'Vast Swaths' of Border Unprotected, Cartels 'in
Control' 
>>http://tinyurl.com/mfwgp5v 
>>
>>Homeland Security Secretary Jeh Johnson faced tough questions
from Congress on Wednesday about a recent surge in illegal
immigration, and agreed with lawmakers that a wave of
unaccompanied children crossing illegally into the U.S.
constitutes a "humanitarian crisis..." 
>>
>>'Homeland Security chief in hot seat over surge in illegal
immigrants' 
>>http://tinyurl.com/mat3ggz 
>>
>



[FairfieldLife] Re: What If?

2014-06-19 Thread 'Richard J. Williams' pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife]
What if you woke up in the morning and the price for a gallon of 
gasoline at the pump was at $10.00? What if you woke up in the morning 
and you found out that Canada had almost completed a pipeline to deliver 
oil to Asia instead of to Canada and the U.S.? What if you woke up in 
the morning and your power had been cut off?


What if you woke up in the morning and you realized that everything was 
much worse than you thought? How much worse? Ten times worse. Go figure.


'Iraq: Why It's Worse Than You Think'
http://oilandgas-investments.com/2014/oil-prices/iraq-why-its-worse-than-you-think/
>
On 6/18/2014 9:51 AM, Richard J. Williams wrote:
What if you woke up one morning and the IRS had lost all your records 
and all your emails for the last two years? What if six IRS hard 
drives had crashed and all the records were just gone, disappeared? I 
wonder what would happen to the IT guy in charge of the servers at the 
IRS data center? What if the IRS Commissioner was called in before the 
U.S. Congress to testify under oath about the mysterious data loss?


What if you were audited by the IRS and your records were given to the 
FBI? Go figure.


'Missing E-Mail Is the Least of the IRS's Problems'
Bloomberg:
http://www.bloombergview.com/missing-e-mail/ 


>
On 6/12/2014 9:30 AM, Richard J. Williams wrote:
What if you opened your local newspaper and read that the recent 
surge of unauthorized immigrants from Central America was caused by 
the U.S. President and his administration failing to enforce 
immigration laws?


And, that by releasing thousands of parents with children, you were 
going to have to pay billions of dollars in taxes for the housing and 
medical care of thousands of parents and their children. And, that 
the crises had left most of the U.S. - Mexican border in control of 
the Mexican drug cartels? And, that because of this political trick, 
your political party was going to lose a majority in the U.S. Senate.


What if?

HOUSTON, Texas--The massive influx of adults and minors crossing into 
the U.S. from Mexico, Guatemala, Honduras, and El Salvador has 
brought the Customs and Border Protection agency past its capacity to 
provide security at the U.S./Mexico border, according to the National 
Border Patrol Council (NBPC)...


Crisis Leaves 'Vast Swaths' of Border Unprotected, Cartels 'in Control'
http://tinyurl.com/mfwgp5v

Homeland Security Secretary Jeh Johnson faced tough questions from 
Congress on Wednesday about a recent surge in illegal immigration, 
and agreed with lawmakers that a wave of unaccompanied children 
crossing illegally into the U.S. constitutes a "humanitarian crisis..."


'Homeland Security chief in hot seat over surge in illegal immigrants'
http://tinyurl.com/mat3ggz






[FairfieldLife] Re: What If?

2014-06-18 Thread 'Richard J. Williams' pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife]
What if you woke up one morning and the IRS had lost all your records 
and all your emails for the last two years? What if six IRS hard drives 
had crashed and all the records were just gone, disappeared? I wonder 
what would happen to the IT guy in charge of the servers at the IRS data 
center? What if the IRS Commissioner was called in before the U.S. 
Congress to testify under oath about the mysterious data loss?


What if you were audited by the IRS and your records were given to the 
FBI? Go figure.


'Missing E-Mail Is the Least of the IRS's Problems'
Bloomberg:
http://www.bloombergview.com/missing-e-mail/ 


>
On 6/12/2014 9:30 AM, Richard J. Williams wrote:
What if you opened your local newspaper and read that the recent surge 
of unauthorized immigrants from Central America was caused by the U.S. 
President and his administration failing to enforce immigration laws?


And, that by releasing thousands of parents with children, you were 
going to have to pay billions of dollars in taxes for the housing and 
medical care of thousands of parents and their children. And, that the 
crises had left most of the U.S. - Mexican border in control of the 
Mexican drug cartels? And, that because of this political trick, your 
political party was going to lose a majority in the U.S. Senate.


What if?

HOUSTON, Texas--The massive influx of adults and minors crossing into 
the U.S. from Mexico, Guatemala, Honduras, and El Salvador has brought 
the Customs and Border Protection agency past its capacity to provide 
security at the U.S./Mexico border, according to the National Border 
Patrol Council (NBPC)...


Crisis Leaves 'Vast Swaths' of Border Unprotected, Cartels 'in Control'
http://tinyurl.com/mfwgp5v

Homeland Security Secretary Jeh Johnson faced tough questions from 
Congress on Wednesday about a recent surge in illegal immigration, and 
agreed with lawmakers that a wave of unaccompanied children crossing 
illegally into the U.S. constitutes a "humanitarian crisis..."


'Homeland Security chief in hot seat over surge in illegal immigrants'
http://tinyurl.com/mat3ggz




[FairfieldLife] Re: What if Barack Obama had been aborted?

2012-02-25 Thread John
This stat is worse than the victims of the Aztecs for their sacrifices to their 
gods.



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "wgm4u"  wrote:
>
> United States Abortion Statistics 54,559,615 abortions 1973–2011
> Reported abortions in the United States, by year
> 
> 
> The Alan Guttmacher Institute (a special affiliate  to Planned
> Parenthood), which actively collects the abortion data  directly from
> providers.  All numbers reported are voluntary; there are  no laws
> requiring abortionists to report to any national agency the  numbers of
> abortions they perform. 2009-2011 are estimates of 1,212,400  annually.
> 
> 
> Americans' views concerning abortion:
> * 79% do not support the current abortion-on-demand policy,  saying
> abortion should be legal only in some circumstances (68%), or  illegal
> in all circumstances (11%).
> Marist Poll, December 2011
> 
> * 78% believe that women who have abortions commonly experience 
> moderately severe to very severe negative emotional reactions to 
> abortion.
> Medical Science Monitor, 2003
> 
> * 95% of women want to be informed of all risks of a medical
> procedure; 69% want to be informed of all alternatives.
> Journal of Medical Ethics, July 2006
> 
> * 64% of women who experienced one or more abortions "felt
> pressured by others" to have the abortion.
>




[FairfieldLife] Re: What if they gave a pile on party and no one came?

2011-04-19 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig"  wrote:
> >
> > What is truly funny (and kinda sad) is that it was JUDY 
> > who suggested to turqb that he consider a career in writing 
> > after he posted his story of Clint Eastwood and the holy 
> > socks on alt.meditation.transcendental. I suspect that he 
> > has forgotten who first publicly told him to go for it...
> 
> I have to admit that I'm surprised you would
> remember a thing like that. I don't. It probably 
> made no impression on me because when it was sup-
> posedly said I had been writing and selling short 
> stories, humor, and articles for 30 years or more. 
> I had had a "career in writing" (meaning a regular
> job at which I got paid for writing) for 20 years
> at that point.  :-)

Well, that's what *I* thought, that Barry had been
writing since long before he joined alt.m.t.

I didn't remember telling Barry he should be a writer.
I didn't even remember the Clint Eastwood story. I
managed to track it down on alt.m.t, and the person
who commented that Barry should be "a writer by trade"
was one BobBNA, not moi.

Sheesh, Lawson!




[FairfieldLife] Re: What if they gave a pile on party and no one came?

2011-04-19 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu  wrote:
>
> On 04/15/11 02:39, turquoiseb wrote:
> > A new FFL "posting week" looms, and I think we all
> > know what to expect. A certain someone will try --
> > as she does every week -- to diss several people
> > she never gets tired of dissing. While doing this
> > she will try to draw other people into the discus-
> > sions, and encourage them to "pile on," and join
> > her in dissing these people. It's as inevitable
> > as death and taxes.
> >
> > But what if no one piled on? Wouldn't it be neat to
> > read FFL for a whole week without having to plow
> > through the same old boring crap discussions we've
> > all already heard a hundred times?
> >
> > Not likely, but one can dream. :-)
>
> I suspect that certain someone goes through life picking
> fights anyway. Most likely on other places than just FFL.
> They won't be changing over night.  Ignore them and
> they'll find someone else to pile on anyway. It's the
> sign of a very unhappy person. Of course they'll deny any
> of this.

And if they deny it, that will prove it's true, right,
Bhairitu?

So here, I'll prove it for you: No, I'm very happy, thank
you. And no, I don't go through life picking fights. FFL
is the only corner of my life, fortunately, that harbors
twisted, sadistic liars like Barry Wright and Vaj.

But I notice that you, Bhairitu, don't seem to be aware
that Barry's demonization of me above applies to him *at
least* as much as it applies to me. You've decided that
"the enemy of my enemy is my friend," so you're aligning
yourself with him because I've caught you out a few
times, and you just can't *stand* that.

You'll deny this, of course.





[FairfieldLife] Re: What if they gave a pile on party and no one came?

2011-04-19 Thread authfriend
Of Barry's 17 posts so far this week, 12 (70 percent)
were spent dissing TM supporters, *all* of them
portraying the supporters as stupid or gullible or
fanatical or something else demeaning *for the crime
of believing something different than he does*.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:
> >
> > A new FFL "posting week" looms, and I think we all 
> > know what to expect. A certain someone will try -- 
> > as she does every week -- to diss several people 
> > she never gets tired of dissing. While doing this 
> > she will try to draw other people into the discus-
> > sions, and encourage them to "pile on," and join 
> > her in dissing these people. It's as inevitable
> > as death and taxes.
> 
> Followup report:
> 
> 20 posts so far, 10 of them spent replying to
> posts in which she attempted to "correct" posts
> made by TM critics,

Again, Barry has difficulty with simple counting.
That would be 9 (45 percent), not 10. But he had to
*read* most of them even to come up with this count;
he wouldn't have been able to tell from the Message
View lines which category to put them in.

 often portraying the critics 
> themselves as stupid or abusive or something else
> demeaning *for the crime of believing something
> different than she does*.

Again: *All* of Barry's 12 posts were demeaning to
TM supporters for believing something different than
he does. Of my 9, 4 were in response to those, calling
him on his putdowns of supporters. (And 2 were twitting
him for his "walking my dog" posts that demean TM
supporters.)

> With regard to the "trying to draw people into 
> a pile on fest" thang, dare I point out the party
> in question having to make a *second* post trying
> to get JohnR to pile on to a Bash Barry Fest 
> because he didn't get what she was encouraging 
> him to do the first time?  :-)

Oh, he got it. His first post was  a bash, or rather
a twit, that was too subtle for Barry. I just made
it a little less subtle so Barry would get it.

Barry really, REALLY hates being made fun of. His
much-touted "laughing at oneself" applies only to
others, not to him.

> As I said in my original post, it's an obsession.
> Some folks are so attached to their their beliefs 
> that they cannot help but react to anyone who
> believes something different by trying to "get"
> them.

12 of 17 posts from Barry trying to "get" those
who believe something other than he does.

The bottom line is that as far as Barry's concerned,
when TM critics try to "get" anyone who believes
something different, it's not a function of obsession,
nor of the critics' attachment to their beliefs. It's
only obsession/attachment when the critics find 
themselves "gotten" by those who believe differently.

 As I suggested before, I think that people
> should look at this tendency as an example of 
> what the belief system in question actually 
> DOES for the people who believe in it. Are they
> consistently in "Gotta 'get' the critic" mode? 
> Do they react to a little criticism or a little 
> fun-poking by claiming that the critics or humor-
> ists are "stupid" or "violent" or some other 
> such epithet?

How does Barry react to a little criticism or fun-
poking at his "Gotta 'get' the supporters" mode?
By claiming it's "obsession" or "attachment" or
"fanaticism."

> Based on the behavior of several "TM supporters" 
> here, it looks to me that if religious fanaticism 
> is what you want from your belief system, TM is 
> definitely the way to go.  :-)

Doesn't seem to matter, does it? If criticism and
bashing and twitting amount to fanaticism, then the
critics are *at least* as fanatical as the
supporters.

But unlike the supporters, the critics--two of them,
at any rate--also have to *lie* when they criticize
and bash and twit, which ups their fanaticism
quotient significantly.

> Will the Pile On Queen make the 50% mark this 
> week? 25 posts dissing or "correcting" TM critics 
> out of 50? Tune in for further followups as the 
> week progresses.

I'll be keeping track of the Master of Inadvertent
Irony and will report as appropriate.

Note for the record that I *ignored* a half-dozen
entirely gratuitous "gotta get Judy" bash-posts of
Barry's from last week. That's a big part of what's
got him so pissed off now.




[FairfieldLife] Re: What if they gave a pile on party and no one came?

2011-04-19 Thread WillyTex


turquoiseb:
> Some folks are so attached to their their beliefs 
> that they cannot help but react to anyone who
> believes something different by trying to "get"
> them...
>
So, you "believe" this to be true and it's "getting
to you", so you want to get them before they get to
you? You just gave a "pile on" party and Judy didn't
come. LoL!!!

> As I suggested before, I think that people
> should look at this tendency as an example of 
> what the belief system in question actually 
> DOES for the people who believe in it. Are they
> consistently in "Gotta 'get' the critic" mode? 
> Do they react to a little criticism or a little 
> fun-poking by claiming that the critics or humor-
> ists are "stupid" or "violent" or some other 
> such epithet?
> 
> Based on the behavior of several "TM supporters" 
> here, it looks to me that if religious fanaticism 
> is what you want from your belief system, TM is 
> definitely the way to go.  :-)
> 
> Will the Pile On Queen make the 50% mark this 
> week? 25 posts dissing or "correcting" TM critics 
> out of 50? Tune in for further followups as the 
> week progresses.
>




[FairfieldLife] Re: What if they gave a pile on party and no one came?

2011-04-19 Thread turquoiseb
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:
>
> A new FFL "posting week" looms, and I think we all 
> know what to expect. A certain someone will try -- 
> as she does every week -- to diss several people 
> she never gets tired of dissing. While doing this 
> she will try to draw other people into the discus-
> sions, and encourage them to "pile on," and join 
> her in dissing these people. It's as inevitable
> as death and taxes.

Followup report:

20 posts so far, 10 of them spent replying to
posts in which she attempted to "correct" posts
made by TM critics, often portraying the critics 
themselves as stupid or abusive or something else
demeaning *for the crime of believing something
different than she does*. 

With regard to the "trying to draw people into 
a pile on fest" thang, dare I point out the party
in question having to make a *second* post trying
to get JohnR to pile on to a Bash Barry Fest 
because he didn't get what she was encouraging 
him to do the first time?  :-)

As I said in my original post, it's an obsession.
Some folks are so attached to their their beliefs 
that they cannot help but react to anyone who
believes something different by trying to "get"
them. As I suggested before, I think that people
should look at this tendency as an example of 
what the belief system in question actually 
DOES for the people who believe in it. Are they
consistently in "Gotta 'get' the critic" mode? 
Do they react to a little criticism or a little 
fun-poking by claiming that the critics or humor-
ists are "stupid" or "violent" or some other 
such epithet?

Based on the behavior of several "TM supporters" 
here, it looks to me that if religious fanaticism 
is what you want from your belief system, TM is 
definitely the way to go.  :-)

Will the Pile On Queen make the 50% mark this 
week? 25 posts dissing or "correcting" TM critics 
out of 50? Tune in for further followups as the 
week progresses.




[FairfieldLife] Re: What if they gave a pile on party and no one came?

2011-04-16 Thread nablusoss1008


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig"  wrote:
>
> Apparently posted without a trace of irony on his part...


No irony nor self-insight :-

> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:
> >
> > A new FFL "posting week" looms, and I think we all 
> > know what to expect. A certain someone will try -- 
> > as she does every week -- to diss several people 
> > she never gets tired of dissing. While doing this 
> > she will try to draw other people into the discus-
> > sions, and encourage them to "pile on," and join 
> > her in dissing these people. It's as inevitable
> > as death and taxes.
> > 
> > But what if no one piled on? Wouldn't it be neat to 
> > read FFL for a whole week without having to plow 
> > through the same old boring crap discussions we've 
> > all already heard a hundred times? 
> > 
> > Not likely, but one can dream. :-)
> >
>




[FairfieldLife] Re: What if they gave a pile on party and no one came?

2011-04-16 Thread WillyTex


> > A certain someone will try -- as she does every 
> > week -- to diss several people she never gets 
> > tired of dissing...
> >
Bhairitu:
> I suspect that certain someone goes through life 
> picking fights anyway. Most likely on other places 
> than just FFL...
>
This is your 'dissing'? Very impressive!

"A barista on Mendocino at a cozy little shop called 
The Haven occasionally puts a nice flourish on my 
latte, and I've taken some cellphone pictures of this 
oeuvreThree of the works in the poster are his - 
the rest are from the net." 

For latte lovers everywhere... 
http://i56.tinypic.com/2ce22l2.jpg 

From: Ned Ludd
Subject: Newest Poster
Newsgroups: alt.buddha.short.fat.guy
Date: April 8, 2011 
http://tinyurl.com/3l5gd3l



[FairfieldLife] Re: What if they gave a pile on party and no one came?

2011-04-15 Thread turquoiseb
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig"  wrote:
>
> What is truly funny (and kinda sad) is that it was JUDY 
> who suggested to turqb that he consider a career in writing 
> after he posted his story of Clint Eastwood and the holy 
> socks on alt.meditation.transcendental. I suspect that he 
> has forgotten who first publicly told him to go for it...

I have to admit that I'm surprised you would
remember a thing like that. I don't. It probably 
made no impression on me because when it was sup-
posedly said I had been writing and selling short 
stories, humor, and articles for 30 years or more. 
I had had a "career in writing" (meaning a regular
job at which I got paid for writing) for 20 years
at that point.  :-)





[FairfieldLife] Re: What if they gave a pile on party and no one came?

2011-04-15 Thread sparaig
What is truly funny (and kinda sad) is that it was JUDY who suggested to turqb 
that he consider a career in writing after he posted his story of Clint 
Eastwood and the holy socks on alt.meditation.transcendental. I suspect that he 
has forgotten who first publicly told him to go for it...


Lawson.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008  wrote:
>
> 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:
> >
> 
> > 
> > But what if no one piled on? Wouldn't it be neat to 
> > read FFL for a whole week without having to plow 
> > through the same old boring crap discussions we've 
> > all already heard a hundred times? 
> 
> 
> Yet another desperate message from the sad and lonely life of Barry Wright, 
> mostly known for his thousands of anti-TMO-messages on FFL.
> 
> It's a sad job isn't it Barry. Whenever you and that Vaj fellow attack the 
> TMO Judy simply disintegrate your attempts with her piercieng insights 
> exposing your vain plans for everyone to see. Making the two of you the 
> laugingstock on this forum.
> 
> You're what, 67 years old ? Has is ever occurred to you that life as you know 
> it is soon coming to an end?  
> 
> A new focus in life would be useful. The Maitreya Buddha would agree.
>




[FairfieldLife] Re: What if they gave a pile on party and no one came?

2011-04-15 Thread sparaig
Apparently posted without a trace of irony on his part...

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:
>
> A new FFL "posting week" looms, and I think we all 
> know what to expect. A certain someone will try -- 
> as she does every week -- to diss several people 
> she never gets tired of dissing. While doing this 
> she will try to draw other people into the discus-
> sions, and encourage them to "pile on," and join 
> her in dissing these people. It's as inevitable
> as death and taxes.
> 
> But what if no one piled on? Wouldn't it be neat to 
> read FFL for a whole week without having to plow 
> through the same old boring crap discussions we've 
> all already heard a hundred times? 
> 
> Not likely, but one can dream. :-)
>




[FairfieldLife] Re: What if they gave a pile on party and no one came?

2011-04-15 Thread turquoiseb
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "WillyTex"  wrote:
>
> So, it looks like, with Judy's help, we've corrected
> all the misinformation spread around here by all
> these discredited TM Teachers and well-poisoners. 

If that were true, why does she need to replay 
the same old arguments day after day, week after
week, month after month, and year after year? It
seems to me that at this point everyone's pretty
much "got" what she has to say.

And the result? After SEVENTEEN YEARS of 
doing this?

Four or five people here "pile on" when she does
it again. She tries for more, and occasionally
suckers someone new into one of her endless argu-
ments, but most just ignore the whole thing as
the boring endlessly-repeated obsession it is.

I mean, isn't it EMBARRASSING for her to have
been doing this for so long and having been able
only to convince Nabby, Jim, Ravi, Willytex and
occasionally Raunchydog that she's right? You'd
think she'd have learned by now that the others
have their own opinions and don't really care to
be sold hers over and over and over. But noo. 

It's an obsession. I think even her "supporters"
realize this. My point is that it's coincidentally 
an obsession that falls into the textbook definition 
of "cult apologetics," because the people she keeps 
dissing over and over and over are all critics of 
the organization she feels compelled to "defend." 
That makes her and her "supporters" cult apologists.
They don't like the label, but that's what they are.




[FairfieldLife] Re: What if they gave a pile on party and no one came?

2011-04-15 Thread WillyTex


> > But what if no one piled on...? 
> >
nablusoss1008: 
> Judy simply disintegrate your attempts with 
> her piercieng insights exposing your vain 
> plans for everyone to see...
> 
So, it looks like, with Judy's help, we've corrected
all the misinformation spread around here by all
these discredited TM Teachers and well-poisoners. 

All the false rumors have been put to rest about 
MMY murdering anyone, and we've pretty much mainly
discredited any reports of MMY's purported private 
sex life, or lack thereof. 

So, there's just a few minor details to clear up, 
like being aware of the bija 'just like any other 
thought', 'striving' in TM practice, and a few 
details about the non-semantic nature of bjijas. 

Keep up all the good work!!!



[FairfieldLife] Re: What if they gave a pile on party and no one came?

2011-04-15 Thread nablusoss1008


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:
>

> 
> But what if no one piled on? Wouldn't it be neat to 
> read FFL for a whole week without having to plow 
> through the same old boring crap discussions we've 
> all already heard a hundred times? 


Yet another desperate message from the sad and lonely life of Barry Wright, 
mostly known for his thousands of anti-TMO-messages on FFL.

It's a sad job isn't it Barry. Whenever you and that Vaj fellow attack the TMO 
Judy simply disintegrate your attempts with her piercieng insights exposing 
your vain plans for everyone to see. Making the two of you the laugingstock on 
this forum.

You're what, 67 years old ? Has is ever occurred to you that life as you know 
it is soon coming to an end?  

A new focus in life would be useful. The Maitreya Buddha would agree.





[FairfieldLife] Re: What if Bush had done that?

2009-10-28 Thread WillyTex
> > Snubbing the Dalai Lama.
> > 
Robert wrote:
> I guess people in Texas, have to think that Bush 
> is some kind of hero, right? Just a little slow...
> 
You've obviously got a prejudice against Texans
Robert, that's the point. Just like you've got
a prejudice against women and people of color.

But in my opinion, Obama snubbing the Dalai Lama
was the last straw - Obama is just a typical
lawyer politician - there's no change, no hope
for a guy like that. He won't get my vote.

> > Signing off on a secret deal with drug makers.
> > 
> > Freezing out a TV network..."
> > 
> > Full story: 
> > 
> > 'What if Bush had done that?'
> > Josh Gerstein
> > Politco, October 27, 2009
> > http://tinyurl.com/yfbmdy5



[FairfieldLife] Re: What if Bush had done that?

2009-10-27 Thread Robert


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "WillyTex"  wrote:
>
> "A four-hour stop in New Orleans, on his way to 
> a $3 million fundraiser.
> 
> Snubbing the Dalai Lama.
> 
> Signing off on a secret deal with drug makers.
> 
> Freezing out a TV network..."
> 
> Full story: 
> 
> 'What if Bush had done that?'
> Josh Gerstein
> Politco, October 27, 2009
> http://tinyurl.com/yfbmdy5
>
Are you saying that Bush is your hero and did all the 'Right Things?'

Just wondering?

I guess people in Texas, have to think that Bush is some kind of hero, right?
Just a little slow...

R.J.G.



[FairfieldLife] Re: What if Chopra had been our Maharishi? (Chopra enters Zone of Power)

2009-06-30 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter L Sutphen  
wrote:
>
> Wow! What strange speculation, all wind and fury signifying 
> nothing. I mean really, what if a frog was guru dev's disciple. 
> What problems that would have created.

Plenty. Surely you haven't missed that both Rick
and Nabby have a history of *eating* frogs. One
look at Guru Dev's disciple and they might have
been dipping him in drawn butter and lemon juice,
and then the glorious Age Of Enlightenment that
we are all enjoying all around us might never
have happened.


> On Jun 30, 2009, at 9:23 AM, Duveyoung  wrote:
> 
> Okay, here's a question:
> 
> What if Chopra had been Guru Dev's right hand dhoti instead of Maharishi?
> 
> Cosmic question for me, cuz, geeze, he wouldn't have been so stupid as 
> Maharishi to make levitation promises etc.  He would have published his 
> interpretation of the Gita -- all the chapters, not just up to the point 
> where worshiping Krishna became so obviously a Hindu religious thingy -- he 
> would have been far far more eloquent than Maharishi, far more verbally 
> devotional, far more likely to tell Guru Dev stories (he rats out Michael 
> Jackson, so why wouldn't he tell all his "I was with Guru Dev when he" 
> stories?)  He would have been so much more marketable in his doctor mode with 
> business suit too.  Geeze, now I'm wishing this idea were true just to be in 
> the bliss of the ignorance of being his disciple -- ugh, sigh
> 
> So let's count our blessings that Chopra didn't get born a couple decades 
> earlier, otherwise, I'm pretty sure I'd still be meditating with a mantra 
> that couldn't change my silly ways and caught up with the syrupy words and 
> huggywuggyness.  
> 
> We have been abused by a guru who wouldn't even talk to us for the last 40 
> years; we all know what an onrush of love we'd have felt if Maharishi had 
> suddenly said, "Yes, let's have questions?"  Well, Chopra would take the 
> questions and sell us on the answers with his smooth-criminal energy.  
> 
> Gotta thank Chopra for leaving the movement -- otherwise, it'd be all of us 
> doing puja to Mahakingy Deepyji -- the natural successor to Maharishi -- not 
> a geek scientist with a tinfoil crown.
> 
> Edg




[FairfieldLife] Re: What if Chopra had been our Maharishi? (Chopra enters Zone of Power)

2009-06-30 Thread Duveyoung
Peter,

Jealous cuz I didn't ask the question about your 
rip-off-the-losers-from-Maharishi's-clan guru, SSRS?  Just askin'.

You've never done a man-up on that issue.  I've challenged you several times 
here about your face jumping from Maharishi's hot crotch to the flaming sizzler 
you're nuzzling now, but nary a word from you to stand up for your guy.  What a 
wuss you is.

Tell us all, just why did you jump ship and end up with an impressionist who 
couldn't get one vote on America's Got Talent?

And, just to take you literally, I do believe that if Guru Dev had taken a frog 
as his devotee, I'd still be a TBer -- who the fuck wouldn't want to join a 
cult run by a frog in a dhoti?  That is, like, the most marketable spiritual 
package ever imagined. Thanks for the concept!

Edg

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter L Sutphen  
wrote:
>
> 
> Wow! What strange speculation, all wind and fury signifying nothing. I mean 
> really, what if afrog was guru dev's disciple. What problems that would have 
> created.
> 
> On Jun 30, 2009, at 9:23 AM, Duveyoung  wrote:
> 
> Okay, here's a question:
> 
> What if Chopra had been Guru Dev's right hand dhoti instead of Maharishi?
> 
> Cosmic question for me, cuz, geeze, he wouldn't have been so stupid as 
> Maharishi to make levitation promises etc.  He would have published his 
> interpretation of the Gita -- all the chapters, not just up to the point 
> where worshiping Krishna became so obviously a Hindu religious thingy -- he 
> would have been far far more eloquent than Maharishi, far more verbally 
> devotional, far more likely to tell Guru Dev stories (he rats out Michael 
> Jackson, so why wouldn't he tell all his "I was with Guru Dev when he" 
> stories?)  He would have been so much more marketable in his doctor mode with 
> business suit too.  Geeze, now I'm wishing this idea were true just to be in 
> the bliss of the ignorance of being his disciple -- ugh, sigh
> 
> So let's count our blessings that Chopra didn't get born a couple decades 
> earlier, otherwise, I'm pretty sure I'd still be meditating with a mantra 
> that couldn't change my silly ways and caught up with the syrupy words and 
> huggywuggyness.  
> 
> We have been abused by a guru who wouldn't even talk to us for the last 40 
> years; we all know what an onrush of love we'd have felt if Maharishi had 
> suddenly said, "Yes, let's have questions?"  Well, Chopra would take the 
> questions and sell us on the answers with his smooth-criminal energy.  
> 
> Gotta thank Chopra for leaving the movement -- otherwise, it'd be all of us 
> doing puja to Mahakingy Deepyji -- the natural successor to Maharishi -- not 
> a geek scientist with a tinfoil crown.
> 
> Edg
> 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings  wrote:
> 
> 
> Chopra enters Zone of  Power --- OffWorld Prediced it.
> 
> Here is where Deepak Chopra enters his Zone of Power.  He has been a
> sideshow to Maharishi for decades ( I saw him in Skelmersdale in the
> late eighties, and I was the only one in all of the TM'rs worldwide
> (yes, including the asshole Turq.) ...that saw , and out-loud predicted,
> in front of  about a thousand+ TM'rs, Chopra's ego-centrist
> self-removsal from the TMO. (you might want to take heed of OffWorld's
> predictions. He is only occasionally wrong. And even that is statistally
> insigificant in its occurance.)
> 
> However, I did not predict Chopra's full frontal, unabashed, and rampant
> return.
> 
> The ignorant Naysayers on FFL do not undersrtand this yet, but Chopra
> has ONLY JUST entered his Zone of Power, in which Mahaishi will now
> become stronger. This is my sense...not some need to prove a point, like
> Turq and Vaj produce daily.
> 
> You will see this unfold nowslowly but surely.
> 
> Chopra just entered his Zone of Power. Before this time...he was just
> stretching and warming up. Now he has been called onto the soccer
> fieldfinally.
> 
> You don't understand this yet.
> 
> I know NOTHING about Jyotish, in fact, I fukin' hate Jyotiah and all
> predictive Jyotish, as you have all seen me declare LOUDLY on FFL in the
> past  (except pre-emptive Yagyas ie. not prediction, just
> preperation for what might be) ...so any actual Jyotishis among you,
> that have Chopra's chart, I ...OffWorld predicts that  you will find
> the above characteristics in Chopra's chart RIGHT NOW in late June 2009.
> 
> Its a fact. You will not be able to avoid it, in all your analysese.
> 
> I have disliked Chopra since long before all you RU's had your doubts
> ... long before any of youbut PERHAPS  I was wrongChopra just
> came forth, and his --- current  action, performed from within the Being
> that was established before ---  will only end in  an honest declaration
> of the truth.
> 
> (I also predict ...just to add challenge to this already presumptious
> challenge -- that, if you examine Vaj or Turq's Jyotish charts you will
> find the complete demise, and u

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: What if Government Ran Health Care?

2009-06-26 Thread Vaj


On Jun 26, 2009, at 12:42 PM, ruthsimplicity wrote:


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, WillyTex  wrote:


"It's really exciting giving up health choice
to these corrupt? politicians and their bureacratic
drones. Can't wait to become a total ward and
meat-puppet of the State."

Read more:

'What if Government Ran Health Care?'
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wPC6CqAFA4E


What choice?  You have an insurance company, yes? They most often  
restrict choice by paying less for "out of network" providers.   
HMOs totally remove choice.  Have you ever applied for private  
health insurance?  If you have any sort of significant health  
condition, even if controlled, odds are they won't accept you.   
What kind of choice is that?



Maine was the first state to try to offer universal health care for  
all our residents, then Mass. followed. It was basically a sliding  
scale, the less you made the less you paid. If you were poor, you  
paid nothing. The lower pay and poor folks were basically subsidized  
by the state. What ended up happening was a bunch of people who  
already had insurance, went for the cheaper state-subsidized  
insurance. Some small employers stopped providing insurance to save  
money and those people were also subsidized by the state. So it ended  
up actually costing much more, driving the state budget into  
insolvency. Hospitals are now still owed payments from over 4 years ago.



Dirigo’s lessons for national health care reform
Maine’s Dirigo experiment has been a costly failure
Tarren Bragdon

There are many well intentioned people across America advocating a  
“public option” or Washington-centered health care reform. As they  
continue their campaign, proponents should examine what has happened  
in Maine. We can share our extensive experience with a government  
option experiment of our own: Dirigo.


The similarities are striking.

Advocates begin their arguments for a government option plan by  
promising this idea is not socialized medicine, and it will work  
alongside private insurance companies already in the market. The  
government option would create a new Washington bureaucracy to  
develop, market and control new government health plans to compete  
with the plans offered by existing private insurers, allowing  
consumers to choose between the established private companies or a  
new government-run plan.


Government option proposals rely heavily on the assumption that a new  
government agency is more efficient than a for-profit or not-for- 
profit private insurance company. They promise that a new national  
bureaucracy will offer competitive, comprehensive health plans that  
cost less. Proponents admit that a government option will require  
significant taxpayer dollars during the startup phase, but will reach  
a break-even point quickly because the new government health option  
will be popular.


In fact, proponents argue, the government option policies will be  
such a perfect combination of low prices and outstanding coverage  
that previously uninsured people will see the benefit of buying this  
coverage and voluntarily do so.


Government option advocates also maintain that, because Washington- 
issued plans would cover so many previously uninsured people, the  
overall costs associated with health care will fall. These savings  
will be passed along to the government option policyholders or kept  
in the pockets of the for-profit private insurers.


The same arguments were made in Maine in 2003 when Dirigo Health was  
first enacted.


Dirigo Health was established using $53 million of one-time federal  
money. It was supposed to become a national model that would inspire  
other states to enact a similar government program. After that, it  
was to be a self-sustaining agency that sold and operated its own  
health plans. Funding would come from premiums paid by policyholders  
and through an assessment of the savings realized by private  
insurance companies when providers lowered their costs due to the  
projected drop in uninsured Mainers. Dirigo’s supporters promised the  
new government program would cover Maine’s 128,000 uninsured people  
by 2009. If those with lower incomes had trouble affording the  
monthly premiums, subsidies would be available. No new taxes would be  
imposed to pay for the government option.


Six years later, what are the results?

At launch, Dirigo limited enrollment so this new state agency could  
handle the demand for a new government plan. While Dirigo was  
promoted as an option for the uninsured, for every uninsured person  
voluntarily enrolling, two people switched from private coverage to  
government-subsidized Dirigo. Costs skyrocketed and the uninsured  
rate remained relatively flat.


Despite enthusiastic press coverage and continual promotion by state  
leaders, the initial enrollment in Maine’s government option policies  
was disappointing and things never improved at Dirigo. Due to  
financial instabilit

[FairfieldLife] Re: What if Government Ran Health Care?

2009-06-26 Thread ruthsimplicity
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, WillyTex  wrote:
>
> "It's really exciting giving up health choice 
> to these corrupt? politicians and their bureacratic 
> drones. Can't wait to become a total ward and 
> meat-puppet of the State."
> 
> Read more:
> 
> 'What if Government Ran Health Care?'
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wPC6CqAFA4E

What choice?  You have an insurance company, yes? They most often restrict 
choice by paying less for "out of network" providers.  HMOs totally remove 
choice.  Have you ever applied for private health insurance?  If you have any 
sort of significant health condition, even if controlled, odds are they won't 
accept you.  What kind of choice is that?  
>




[FairfieldLife] Re: WHAT IF?

2009-01-18 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "geezerfreak"  
wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "geezerfreak" 
 
> > wrote:

> > > I couldn't have made your obsession any more
> > > obvious than you just did in the paragraph 
> > > above Judith.
> > 
> > Good grief, you're more obsessed with me than Barry is.
> 
> Oh I think not Judy.

Yeah, that's probably an exaggeration; you're not
*more* obsessed with me than Barry is. That would
be quite a feat.

> I am however obsessed by many things as those who know
> me can attest. Sorry, but you're not on the list.

I think I appear on the list whenever you arrive
for a visit at FFL. Four of your six posts this
time around have been about me, just for example.

Interestingly, though, you didn't respond to this:

> > Another thing that seems to never change, regardless
> > of long I'm awayyour continued fantasy of thinking
> > that you know what "most here" think. Quite a gal.
> 
> Funny, because Barry announces what "most here" (or
> often "everyone here") thinks (or knows) far, *far*
> more often than I do, yet I've never seen you chide
> him for it.




[FairfieldLife] Re: WHAT IF?

2009-01-18 Thread geezerfreak
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "geezerfreak"  
> wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
> > >
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "geezerfreak" 
>  
> > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  
> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB  
> > > wrote:
> > > > > >
> > >> > Translation: Judy is obsessed with Barry. I leave FFL
> > > > for months on end when I'm traveling or otherwise busy
> > > > but when I do check in, there it is, as sure as death
> > > > and taxes: Judy obsessing about Barry
> > > 
> > > Funny how when you pop in, you never seem to do so
> > > when Barry's obsessing about me. Since you rarely
> > > actually contribute anything here, I guess it's
> > > easy enough for you just to wait until I've made a
> > > post concerning Barry, then make your appearance to
> > > complain about it.
> > > 
> > > > in nearly every post.
> > > 
> > > Hardly.
> > > 
> > > Most here have realized by now that the obsession
> > > goes the other way. In most cases, I'm just
> > > responding to it. (The post you quote is one of
> > > the exceptions. But I guess you could wait for
> > > that to happen as well.)
> > > 
> > > And response is necessary, because--as you haven't
> > > yet figured out about your good buddy (or have
> > > chosen to ignore)--Barry is a chronic and vicious
> > > liar, among other unsavory traits. Another is his
> > > propensity to attack other posters, directly or
> > > indirectly, and almost always unfairly, in the vast
> > > majority of his posts. Quite a guy.
> > >
> > I couldn't have made your obsession any more
> > obvious than you just did in the paragraph 
> > above Judith.
> 
> Good grief, you're more obsessed with me than Barry is.

Oh I think not Judy. I am however obsessed by many things as those who know me 
can 
attest. Sorry, but you're not on the list.



[FairfieldLife] Re: WHAT IF?

2009-01-18 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "geezerfreak"  
wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "geezerfreak" 
 
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  
wrote:
> > > >
> > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB  
> > wrote:
> > > > >
> >> > Translation: Judy is obsessed with Barry. I leave FFL
> > > for months on end when I'm traveling or otherwise busy
> > > but when I do check in, there it is, as sure as death
> > > and taxes: Judy obsessing about Barry
> > 
> > Funny how when you pop in, you never seem to do so
> > when Barry's obsessing about me. Since you rarely
> > actually contribute anything here, I guess it's
> > easy enough for you just to wait until I've made a
> > post concerning Barry, then make your appearance to
> > complain about it.
> > 
> > > in nearly every post.
> > 
> > Hardly.
> > 
> > Most here have realized by now that the obsession
> > goes the other way. In most cases, I'm just
> > responding to it. (The post you quote is one of
> > the exceptions. But I guess you could wait for
> > that to happen as well.)
> > 
> > And response is necessary, because--as you haven't
> > yet figured out about your good buddy (or have
> > chosen to ignore)--Barry is a chronic and vicious
> > liar, among other unsavory traits. Another is his
> > propensity to attack other posters, directly or
> > indirectly, and almost always unfairly, in the vast
> > majority of his posts. Quite a guy.
> >
> I couldn't have made your obsession any more
> obvious than you just did in the paragraph 
> above Judith.

Good grief, you're more obsessed with me than Barry is.
 
> Another thing that seems to never change, regardless
> of long I'm awayyour continued fantasy of thinking
> that you know what "most here" think. Quite a gal.

Funny, because Barry announces what "most here" (or
often "everyone here") thinks (or knows) far, *far*
more often than I do, yet I've never seen you chide
him for it.




[FairfieldLife] Re: WHAT IF?

2009-01-18 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "geezerfreak"  
wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, satvadude108  
> > wrote:
> > 
> > > At least you  don't makes posts asking Sal about her vibrator.
> > > 
> > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/204532
> > > 
> > > You simply post your fantasies about Turq, worms, and
> > > sadomasochistic masturbatory practices. 
> > > 
> > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/202419
> > 
> > Uh-oh, you make BEEG mistake:
> > 
> > 51036
> > 51059
> > (The first two posts were made before I ever
> > showed up on FFL.)
> > 68643
> > 68646
> > 71621
> > 90491
> > 90559
> > 130543
> > 140215
> > 
> > (On Google Groups, Advanced Search will turn
> > up quite a few similar Barryposts in 
> > alt.meditation.transcendental as well. I'm just
> > emulating the Master Baiter.)
> 
> Uh-oh...your obesessions are looking mighty BEEG Judith.

Er, no, here I'm tweaking sattvadude for having
 put his foot in it.

Huccome Our Barry needs *two guys* to defend him 
against my purported obsessive depredations, BTW?




[FairfieldLife] Re: WHAT IF?

2009-01-17 Thread geezerfreak
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, satvadude108  
> wrote:
> 
> > At least you  don't makes posts asking Sal about her vibrator.
> > 
> > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/204532
> > 
> > You simply post your fantasies about Turq, worms, and
> > sadomasochistic masturbatory practices. 
> > 
> > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/202419
> 
> Uh-oh, you make BEEG mistake:
> 
> 51036
> 51059
> (The first two posts were made before I ever
> showed up on FFL.)
> 68643
> 68646
> 71621
> 90491
> 90559
> 130543
> 140215
> 
> (On Google Groups, Advanced Search will turn
> up quite a few similar Barryposts in 
> alt.meditation.transcendental as well. I'm just
> emulating the Master Baiter.)

Uh-oh...your obesessions are looking mighty BEEG Judith.



[FairfieldLife] Re: WHAT IF?

2009-01-17 Thread geezerfreak
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "geezerfreak"  
> wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
> > >
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB  
> wrote:
> > > >
>> > Translation: Judy is obsessed with Barry. I leave FFL
> > for months on end when I'm traveling or otherwise busy
> > but when I do check in, there it is, as sure as death
> > and taxes: Judy obsessing about Barry
> 
> Funny how when you pop in, you never seem to do so
> when Barry's obsessing about me. Since you rarely
> actually contribute anything here, I guess it's
> easy enough for you just to wait until I've made a
> post concerning Barry, then make your appearance to
> complain about it.
> 
> > in nearly every post.
> 
> Hardly.
> 
> Most here have realized by now that the obsession
> goes the other way. In most cases, I'm just
> responding to it. (The post you quote is one of
> the exceptions. But I guess you could wait for
> that to happen as well.)
> 
> And response is necessary, because--as you haven't
> yet figured out about your good buddy (or have
> chosen to ignore)--Barry is a chronic and vicious
> liar, among other unsavory traits. Another is his
> propensity to attack other posters, directly or
> indirectly, and almost always unfairly, in the vast
> majority of his posts. Quite a guy.
> 
>
I couldn't have made your obsession any more obvious than you just did in the 
paragraph 
above Judith.

Another thing that seems to never change, regardless of long I'm awayyour 
continued 
fantasy of thinking that you know what "most here" think. Quite a gal.






[FairfieldLife] Re: WHAT IF?

2009-01-17 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, satvadude108  
wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine  
wrote:
> >
> > On Jan 17, 2009, at 10:56 AM, satvadude108 wrote:
> > 
> > > That didn't take long.
> > >
> > > Your first post back and you gratuitously bash Turquoise B.
> > >
> > > Ever stop to think you are the one harboring elaborate
> > > fantasies? ed11 sure posts a lotta deluded nasty .
> > > At least you  don't makes posts asking Sal about her vibrator.
> > 
> > LOL...yeah, sure glad we're off that one, that was so...
> > last year.
> 
> True, but I'm still catching up. ;-)
> 
> > 
> > But cmon, now, really, this was funny:
> > 
> > >>> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB  
wrote:
> > >> 
> >  See you after midnight GMT Friday, September
> >  23rd, hon.
> > >>>
> > >>> If only.
> > >>
> > >> Wow, I missed that. He really *is* out of his mind
> > >> with joy.
> > 
> > Sal
> >
> 
> Yes, is was *really* *really* funny, for those without humor
> impairment.

He still doesn't get it. Amazing.




[FairfieldLife] Re: WHAT IF?

2009-01-17 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, satvadude108  wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
> 
> > 
> > Not quite. Notice that Barry is so overcome with
> > euphoria that ed11 lost track of how many posts
> > she'd made that he has now missed the fact of his
> > wildly erroneous date twice, even after Sal
> > highlighted it for him.
> 
> She knew. She didn't "lose track", she lost control.
> Psychos often do.
> 
> You know she knew.

Actually, I don't know that.

But you do?





[FairfieldLife] Re: WHAT IF?

2009-01-17 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, satvadude108  
wrote:

> At least you  don't makes posts asking Sal about her vibrator.
> 
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/204532
> 
> You simply post your fantasies about Turq, worms, and
> sadomasochistic masturbatory practices. 
> 
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/202419

Uh-oh, you make BEEG mistake:

51036
51059
(The first two posts were made before I ever
showed up on FFL.)
68643
68646
71621
90491
90559
130543
140215

(On Google Groups, Advanced Search will turn
up quite a few similar Barryposts in 
alt.meditation.transcendental as well. I'm just
emulating the Master Baiter.)




[FairfieldLife] Re: WHAT IF?

2009-01-17 Thread satvadude108
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Richard J. Williams"  
wrote:
>
> satvadude wrote:
> > Your first post back and you 
> > gratuitously bash Turquoise B.
> > 
> Your first post back and you 
> gratuitously bash Judy. LOL!
>


Yep.

Have another prairie-dog taco with shrooms
and GFY willytex.  



[FairfieldLife] Re: WHAT IF?

2009-01-17 Thread satvadude108
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine  wrote:
>
> On Jan 17, 2009, at 10:56 AM, satvadude108 wrote:
> 
> > That didn't take long.
> >
> > Your first post back and you gratuitously bash Turquoise B.
> >
> > Ever stop to think you are the one harboring elaborate
> > fantasies? ed11 sure posts a lotta deluded nasty .
> > At least you  don't makes posts asking Sal about her vibrator.
> 
> LOL...yeah, sure glad we're off that one, that was so...
> last year.

True, but I'm still catching up. ;-)

> 
> But cmon, now, really, this was funny:
> 
> >>> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB  wrote:
> >> 
>  See you after midnight GMT Friday, September
>  23rd, hon.
> >>>
> >>> If only.
> >>
> >> Wow, I missed that. He really *is* out of his mind
> >> with joy.
> 
> Sal
>

Yes, is was *really* *really* funny, for those without humor
impairment.

How are you folks getting along with the cold blast?
In my neck of the woods the local news loves covering
cold waves in the east. Some kinda perverse way of 
justifying living here thru 118 in the summer I guess.
I grew up a couple of hundred miles west of Fairfield.
Still carry the memories of my '71 VW with a lousy heater 
and the 100 year old 3 story brick house I grew up in.
Keeping the chickens alive and the horses comfortable
was a serious chore. How those barn cats survived and 
actually thrived still amazes me.

Play safe and carry warm thoughts in your heart.  



[FairfieldLife] Re: WHAT IF?

2009-01-17 Thread Richard J. Williams
satvadude wrote:
> Your first post back and you 
> gratuitously bash Turquoise B.
> 
Your first post back and you 
gratuitously bash Judy. LOL!



[FairfieldLife] Re: WHAT IF?

2009-01-17 Thread satvadude108
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:

> 
> Not quite. Notice that Barry is so overcome with
> euphoria that ed11 lost track of how many posts
> she'd made that he has now missed the fact of his
> wildly erroneous date twice, even after Sal
> highlighted it for him.

She knew. She didn't "lose track", she lost control.
Psychos often do.

You know she knew. 

Stop your lying.



Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: WHAT IF?

2009-01-17 Thread Sal Sunshine

On Jan 17, 2009, at 10:56 AM, satvadude108 wrote:


That didn't take long.

Your first post back and you gratuitously bash Turquoise B.

Ever stop to think you are the one harboring elaborate
fantasies? ed11 sure posts a lotta deluded nasty .
At least you  don't makes posts asking Sal about her vibrator.


LOL...yeah, sure glad we're off that one, that was so...
last year.

But cmon, now, really, this was funny:


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB  wrote:



See you after midnight GMT Friday, September
23rd, hon.


If only.


Wow, I missed that. He really *is* out of his mind
with joy.


Sal



[FairfieldLife] Re: WHAT IF?

2009-01-17 Thread satvadude108
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:

> 
> Translation: Barry is *ecstatic* to be free of the
> agony of having ed11 kick him around for a few days.
> He's now planning all the posts he'll make 
> demonizing ed11 while she's not here to respond,
> while salivating at his elaborate fantasies of her
> gnashing her teeth and tearing her hair.
> 


That didn't take long.

Your first post back and you gratuitously bash Turquoise B.

Ever stop to think you are the one harboring elaborate
fantasies? ed11 sure posts a lotta deluded nasty .
At least you  don't makes posts asking Sal about her vibrator.

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/204532

You simply post your fantasies about Turq, worms, and
sadomasochistic masturbatory practices. 

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/202419

Judy "I never lie." (but received death threats on FFL) Stein

Skolnick sure had your number.

Some of the best advice I have ever read on this forum 
was to *never* read posts by either of you. Doing so is
following the same strange attraction of the Indy 500,
NASCAR, and train wrecks.



[FairfieldLife] Re: WHAT IF?

2009-01-17 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB  wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine 
> wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB  
wrote:

> > > On the other hand, there is sometimes a value
> > > in following the "right action" (rules) of an
> > > Internet chat group, because when you "transcend"
> > > those rules and overpost, you are left naked and
> > > screaming in the darkness of not being able to
> > > post for a whole week.
> > >
> > > See you after midnight GMT Friday, September
> > > 23rd, hon.
> > 
> > If only.
> 
> Despite the hystrionics [sic] of her partner-in-
> obsession, the only comment I'll make on
> "that one's" :-) meltdown is that the person
> who is lecturing us all on enlightenment, and
> telling us *definitively* what enlightenment
> is and is not, has so little self control 
> that she couldn't wait six hours to bash Vaj,
> and felt compelled to "post out" rather than 
> wait. I think that says it all, right?

Not quite. Notice that Barry is so overcome with
euphoria that ed11 lost track of how many posts
she'd made that he has now missed the fact of his
wildly erroneous date twice, even after Sal
highlighted it for him.

> Obsession statistics for the year as of yesterday, 
> and my searches aren't even counting Vaj-obsession:
> 
> #_posts / #_mentioning_object_of_obsession = percentage
> JS: 76 / 35 = 46.1%
> ED: 115 / 42 = 36.5%

Barry once again offers his bogus figures, even
though their bogosity has been explained at least
twice.




[FairfieldLife] Re: WHAT IF?

2009-01-17 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "geezerfreak"  
wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB  
wrote:
> > >
> > [ed11 wrote:]
> > > > however the goal is actually reached by 
> > > > TRANSCENDING THE DOGMA, whether it is the
> > > > Buddhist ideals of compassion or whether
> > > > it is the TMO ideals of living a Vedic life.
> > > > depending on our path, the dogma must be
> > > > absolutely transcended in order top reach
> > > > the goal, and once we are left naked and
> > > > screaming in the darkness do we have any
> > > > hope of becoming ourselves, becoming
> > > > enlightened. anything else is just a circle
> > > > jerk.
> > > > 
> > > > lots of the latter going on right here on
> > > > FFL by the way. :)
> > > 
> > > On the other hand, there is sometimes a value 
> > > in following the "right action" (rules) of an 
> > > Internet chat group, because when you "transcend" 
> > > those rules and overpost, you are left naked and 
> > > screaming in the darkness of not being able to 
> > > post for a whole week.  
> > > 
> > > See you after midnight GMT Friday, September 
> > > 23rd, hon. You might want to spend some of the 
> > > time until then "becoming yourself." But if 
> > > yourself's ability to transcend is anything 
> > > like yourself's ability to count, I wouldn't...
> > > uh...count on becoming enlightened.  :-)
> > 
> > Translation: Barry is *ecstatic* to be free of the
> > agony of having ed11 kick him around for a few days.
> > He's now planning all the posts he'll make 
> > demonizing ed11 while she's not here to respond,
> > while salivating at his elaborate fantasies of her
> > gnashing her teeth and tearing her hair.
> > 
> > This is the biggest thrill Barry's enjoyed for
> > some time, so we shouldn't be too hard on him.
> > Control freaks, after all, are happiest when other
> > people are being controlled (by them, if at all
> > possible). When such an opportunity to exult 
> > presents itself, they really can't be expected to,
> > er, control their enthusiasm.
> >
> Translation: Judy is obsessed with Barry. I leave FFL
> for months on end when I'm traveling or otherwise busy
> but when I do check in, there it is, as sure as death
> and taxes: Judy obsessing about Barry

Funny how when you pop in, you never seem to do so
when Barry's obsessing about me. Since you rarely
actually contribute anything here, I guess it's
easy enough for you just to wait until I've made a
post concerning Barry, then make your appearance to
complain about it.

> in nearly every post.

Hardly.

Most here have realized by now that the obsession
goes the other way. In most cases, I'm just
responding to it. (The post you quote is one of
the exceptions. But I guess you could wait for
that to happen as well.)

And response is necessary, because--as you haven't
yet figured out about your good buddy (or have
chosen to ignore)--Barry is a chronic and vicious
liar, among other unsavory traits. Another is his
propensity to attack other posters, directly or
indirectly, and almost always unfairly, in the vast
majority of his posts. Quite a guy.

 Good thing she spins herself out so quickly 
> every week!

Depends on what's going on here and what my
schedule is like. But note that now that Barry
appears to have given up hope that I'll overpost
and be silenced for a week, he's now obsessing
about the number of ed11's posts and rejoicing
that he'll be free of her criticisms for a week,
as noted above. He and Sal are the only ones here
who are so preoccupied with others' observance of
the rules.




[FairfieldLife] Re: WHAT IF?

2009-01-17 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine 
wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB  wrote:
> >
> [ed11 wrote:]
> >> however the goal is actually reached by TRANSCENDING THE DOGMA,
> >> whether it is the Buddhist ideals of compassion or whether it is
> >> the TMO ideals of living a Vedic life. depending on our path, the
> >> dogma must be absolutely transcended in order top reach the goal,
> >> and once we are left naked and screaming in the darkness do we
> >> have any hope of becoming ourselves, becoming enlightened.
> >> anything else is just a circle jerk.
> >>
> >> lots of the latter going on right here on FFL by the way. :)
> >
> > On the other hand, there is sometimes a value
> > in following the "right action" (rules) of an
> > Internet chat group, because when you "transcend"
> > those rules and overpost, you are left naked and
> > screaming in the darkness of not being able to
> > post for a whole week.
> >
> > See you after midnight GMT Friday, September
> > 23rd, hon.
> 
> If only.

Despite the hystrionics of her partner-in-
obsession, the only comment I'll make on
"that one's" :-) meltdown is that the person
who is lecturing us all on enlightenment, and
telling us *definitively* what enlightenment
is and is not, has so little self control 
that she couldn't wait six hours to bash Vaj,
and felt compelled to "post out" rather than 
wait. I think that says it all, right?

Obsession statistics for the year as of yesterday, 
and my searches aren't even counting Vaj-obsession:

#_posts / #_mentioning_object_of_obsession = percentage
JS: 76 / 35 = 46.1%
ED: 115 / 42 = 36.5%

"A disciple is an asshole, looking for a human 
being to attach itself to."
- Robert Anton Wilson





[FairfieldLife] Re: WHAT IF?

2009-01-17 Thread guyfawkes91

> Translation: Judy is obsessed with Barry. I leave FFL for months on
end when I'm traveling 
> or otherwise busy but when I do check in, there it is, as sure as
death and taxes: Judy 
> obsessing about Barry in nearly every post. Good thing she spins
herself out so quickly 
> every week!
>
I never read her posts these days. The signal to noise ratio isn't
very good.






[FairfieldLife] Re: WHAT IF?

2009-01-16 Thread geezerfreak
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB  wrote:
> >
> [ed11 wrote:]
> > > however the goal is actually reached by TRANSCENDING THE DOGMA, 
> > > whether it is the Buddhist ideals of compassion or whether it is 
> > > the TMO ideals of living a Vedic life. depending on our path, the 
> > > dogma must be absolutely transcended in order top reach the goal, 
> > > and once we are left naked and screaming in the darkness do we 
> > > have any hope of becoming ourselves, becoming enlightened. 
> > > anything else is just a circle jerk.
> > > 
> > > lots of the latter going on right here on FFL by the way. :)
> > 
> > On the other hand, there is sometimes a value 
> > in following the "right action" (rules) of an 
> > Internet chat group, because when you "transcend" 
> > those rules and overpost, you are left naked and 
> > screaming in the darkness of not being able to 
> > post for a whole week.  
> > 
> > See you after midnight GMT Friday, September 
> > 23rd, hon. You might want to spend some of the 
> > time until then "becoming yourself." But if 
> > yourself's ability to transcend is anything 
> > like yourself's ability to count, I wouldn't...
> > uh...count on becoming enlightened.  :-)
> 
> Translation: Barry is *ecstatic* to be free of the
> agony of having ed11 kick him around for a few days.
> He's now planning all the posts he'll make 
> demonizing ed11 while she's not here to respond,
> while salivating at his elaborate fantasies of her
> gnashing her teeth and tearing her hair.
> 
> This is the biggest thrill Barry's enjoyed for
> some time, so we shouldn't be too hard on him.
> Control freaks, after all, are happiest when other
> people are being controlled (by them, if at all
> possible). When such an opportunity to exult 
> presents itself, they really can't be expected to,
> er, control their enthusiasm.
>
Translation: Judy is obsessed with Barry. I leave FFL for months on end when 
I'm traveling 
or otherwise busy but when I do check in, there it is, as sure as death and 
taxes: Judy 
obsessing about Barry in nearly every post. Good thing she spins herself out so 
quickly 
every week!



[FairfieldLife] Re: WHAT IF?

2009-01-16 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine  
wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB  wrote:

> > See you after midnight GMT Friday, September
> > 23rd, hon.
> 
> If only.

Wow, I missed that. He really *is* out of his mind
with joy.




Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: WHAT IF?

2009-01-16 Thread Sal Sunshine

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB  wrote:



[ed11 wrote:]

however the goal is actually reached by TRANSCENDING THE DOGMA,
whether it is the Buddhist ideals of compassion or whether it is
the TMO ideals of living a Vedic life. depending on our path, the
dogma must be absolutely transcended in order top reach the goal,
and once we are left naked and screaming in the darkness do we
have any hope of becoming ourselves, becoming enlightened.
anything else is just a circle jerk.

lots of the latter going on right here on FFL by the way. :)


On the other hand, there is sometimes a value
in following the "right action" (rules) of an
Internet chat group, because when you "transcend"
those rules and overpost, you are left naked and
screaming in the darkness of not being able to
post for a whole week.

See you after midnight GMT Friday, September
23rd, hon.


If only.

Sal



[FairfieldLife] Re: WHAT IF?

2009-01-16 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB  wrote:
>
[ed11 wrote:]
> > however the goal is actually reached by TRANSCENDING THE DOGMA, 
> > whether it is the Buddhist ideals of compassion or whether it is 
> > the TMO ideals of living a Vedic life. depending on our path, the 
> > dogma must be absolutely transcended in order top reach the goal, 
> > and once we are left naked and screaming in the darkness do we 
> > have any hope of becoming ourselves, becoming enlightened. 
> > anything else is just a circle jerk.
> > 
> > lots of the latter going on right here on FFL by the way. :)
> 
> On the other hand, there is sometimes a value 
> in following the "right action" (rules) of an 
> Internet chat group, because when you "transcend" 
> those rules and overpost, you are left naked and 
> screaming in the darkness of not being able to 
> post for a whole week.  
> 
> See you after midnight GMT Friday, September 
> 23rd, hon. You might want to spend some of the 
> time until then "becoming yourself." But if 
> yourself's ability to transcend is anything 
> like yourself's ability to count, I wouldn't...
> uh...count on becoming enlightened.  :-)

Translation: Barry is *ecstatic* to be free of the
agony of having ed11 kick him around for a few days.
He's now planning all the posts he'll make 
demonizing ed11 while she's not here to respond,
while salivating at his elaborate fantasies of her
gnashing her teeth and tearing her hair.

This is the biggest thrill Barry's enjoyed for
some time, so we shouldn't be too hard on him.
Control freaks, after all, are happiest when other
people are being controlled (by them, if at all
possible). When such an opportunity to exult 
presents itself, they really can't be expected to,
er, control their enthusiasm.




[FairfieldLife] Re: WHAT IF?

2009-01-16 Thread ruthsimplicity
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB  wrote:
>

On topic:  The problem with personal experience is our resistance to
acknowledging the possibility of mistake, of cognitive errors.  People
Know their experience was meaningful and why would they want to hear
that it was ordinary?

Off topic:

"In follow-up interviews conducted two months later 67 percent of the
volunteers rated the psilocybin experience as among the most
meaningful of their lives, comparing it to the birth of a first child
or the death of a parent, and 79 percent reported that it had
moderately or greatly increased their overall sense of well-being or
life satisfaction. Independent interviews of family members, friends
and co-workers confirmed small but significant positive changes in the
subject's behavior and more follow-ups are currently being conducted
to determine if the effects persist a year later.

Further scientific investigation is warranted to determine how the
drug achieves its effects as well as how they might be used in the
treatment of "the ennui and anguish of impending death" as well as
"alcoholism and other forms of drug addiction," argues Charles
Schuster, a neuroscientist at Wayne State University and a former
director of the National Institute on Drug Abuse, in a commentary on
the paper. "The misuse of these substances … cannot be allowed to
continue to curtail their use as tools for understanding the
neurobiology of human consciousness, self-awareness and their
potential as therapeutic agents."


This is from a Scientific American article.  I don't have an online
link.  






[FairfieldLife] Re: WHAT IF?

2009-01-16 Thread enlightened_dawn11
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "yifuxero"  wrote:
>
> -Depends on how you define DOGMA. Ramakrishna remained a devotee of 
> Kali after Self-Realization (Aurobindo - the Divine Mother, 
> likewise); and Ramana remained a devotee of Arunachala Shiva.  Would 
> these relationships be "dogmas"?
> 
not at all-- devotion doesn't codify though or action. it is a simple 
and natural alignment of the heart. devotion to Buddha for example 
doesn't dictate any particular action or behavior. following the dogma 
that has grown up around the Buddha, does. 

same with the TMO-- which codifies certain activities in order to gain 
enlightenment, as opposed to a natural and simple devotion to Guru 
Dev. True devotion is an expression of freedom- absolute freedom. 
dogma is an expression of absolute prison.

devotion is a straightforward path to the object of devotion. dogma 
presupposes specific thoughts or actions are necessary in order to 
culture a relationship with the suppsed object of devotion. this is a 
perversion of devotion.

this is why i used Bevan, Barry, "vaj", and John H. as people that are 
addicted to dogma-- the real TBs. 

when any of them feels a certain way, they are unable to openly 
express it, because they are constrained that acting naturally will 
conflict with the dogma that they are addicted to. this is a sad 
mangling of the qualities of the Buddha or of Guru Dev. nonetheless it 
is the trade off that these individuals, and many others, make, in 
order to not fully lose themselves in the absolute freedom guaranteed 
by enlightenment. 



[FairfieldLife] Re: WHAT IF?

2009-01-16 Thread yifuxero
-Depends on how you define DOGMA. Ramakrishna remained a devotee of 
Kali after Self-Realization (Aurobindo - the Divine Mother, 
likewise); and Ramana remained a devotee of Arunachala Shiva.  Would 
these relationships be "dogmas"?


-- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, enlightened_dawn11 
 wrote:
>
> with any technique of transcendence, there comes a point where the 
> devotee must make a choice, going with continuing dogmas, or going 
> for realization; enlightenment, at ALL COSTS. 
> 
> it is safe and easy to fool ourselves into thinking if we continue 
> to do "right action", as defined by the ego, that the grand glory 
of 
> enlightenment will be ours-- this is the trap-- for TMO it is 
> following to the letter what the Maharishi said, and for Buddhists 
> it is all the things the Buddhas say-- any tradition of 
> transcendence has this trap. 
> 
> however the goal is actually reached by TRANSCENDING THE DOGMA, 
> whether it is the Buddhist ideals of compassion or whether it is 
the 
> TMO ideals of living a Vedic life. depending on our path, the dogma 
> must be absolutely transcended in order top reach the goal, and 
once 
> we are left naked and screaming in the darkness do we have any hope 
> of becoming ourselves, becoming enlightened. anything else is just 
a 
> circle jerk.
> 
> lots of the latter going on right here on FFL by the way. :)
>   
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, grate.swan  
> wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues"
> >  wrote:
> > >
> > 
> > > That
> > > the traditional understanding of the states of mind brought 
> about by
> > > meditation and other "spiritual" techniques are NOT best 
> understood by
> > > people from the past who tended to filter everything through 
> their Uga
> > > Booga spin. That was their model for everything.  Why does the 
> sun
> > > cross the sky?  A god pulls it across with a chariot of course! 
> > 
> > Which is ironic since pure consciousness, and the absence or
> > diminishment of the binding influence of samskararas -- more 
> broadly
> > -- the diminishment of past experiential and cultural bias -- 
> should
> > enable a spin-free state of true clarity. Seeing things as they 
> ARE --
> > absent myriad layers of inner filters, narratives an mind-warping 
> biases. 
> > 
> > TMO and other schools of thought posit that freedom increases as 
> this
> > non-attachment -- reduction of inner bias -- grows. Ergo, if this
> > model was correct, then the more one transcends, then the more the
> > world should be seen in its transcendental pristine reality -- as 
> it
> > IS. One may have been told ancient (chariots in the sky) or modern
> > narratives upon initiating transcendence practices, but all such
> > narrative should fall off the cliff as the sharp sword of 
> knowledge 
> > dismembers and slays myth, bias and reveals what is. 
Trascendence -
> -
> > per the theory -- should cleanse and open the doors of 
perception. 
> > 
> > The model does not predict what actually occurred in the TMO -- 
and
> > apparently other transcendence traditions -- and must be 
discarded 
> by
> > rational beings. Instead of clarity and freedom, we obtained 
> > increased biases, ancient narratives having no scientific merit 
> found
> > welcome reception in our hearts, hyper-infusion of what we wanted 
> to
> > see completely obscured what actually was there -- all such
> > perversions grew, not diminished -- both individually and 
> collectively.
> > 
> > Thus, either the theory, the model, is wrong, or the method does 
> not
> > yield the fruit it promised. Perhaps transcendence, reduction of 
> bias
> > and distortion within consciousness, actually attracts distortion,
> > like a vacuum attracting dirt. 
> > 
> > Or the method does not reduce to true transcendence, but some 
> nether
> > world delusion of such -- behind which hidden chains stronger 
than 
> the
> > ones we sought to dissolve.
> > 
> > The proof is in the pudding.  Maybe we should have tried the 
> other  door.
> >
>




[FairfieldLife] Re: WHAT IF?

2009-01-16 Thread enlightened_dawn11
i want to make a point here about enlightenment-- "vaj" argues below 
that he can both follow the dogma, and be -partially- enlightened. 

THIS IS NOT POSSIBLE. unlike what his teachers have taught him (read 
$$$ and power for THEM), the experience of enlightenment is one of 
total freedom and complete independence. there is no need in such a 
state to refer back to where we are trying to go.

another servant to my point here is Barry who frequently mentions he 
was enlightened once, for a short time. this impermanent witnessing 
experience has nothing to do with enlightenment either. 

"vaj" argues the point that someone who has reached the destination 
needs to continue to look at the map. speaking of absolutes, this is 
absolute garbage.:) 

while enlightenment is not a static state, there is no relationship 
between religious dogma and enlightenment. dogma is useful for 
pointing us in the right direction, but is then naturally discarded 
once the goal is reached.

many seekers like Barry and "vaj" hold on to dogma because it is a 
convenient way of not letting go completely of their ego. fine-- no 
problem, but they shouldn't try to justify it in all sorts of 
bizarre ways. enlightenment is straightforward. no caveats. you are 
or you aren't, no dogma and no excuses. 

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj  wrote:
>
> 
> On Jan 16, 2009, at 12:33 PM, enlightened_dawn11 wrote:
> 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj  wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >> On Jan 16, 2009, at 12:02 PM, enlightened_dawn11 wrote:
> >>
> >>> however the goal is actually reached by TRANSCENDING THE DOGMA,
> >>> whether it is the Buddhist ideals of compassion or whether it 
is
> > the
> >>> TMO ideals of living a Vedic life.
> >>
> >>
> >> It sounds like you lack an experiential understanding of the
> >> difference between relative compassion and absolute compassion 
or
> >> what the nature of consciousness actually is.
> >>
> >> There's ultimately nothing to transcend; what a silly belief.
> >>
> > it sounds to me as if you are claiming to be enlightened. or you 
are
> > trapped by dogma. which is it please?
> 
> I'm afraid you're a bit too binary for me my dear!
>




[FairfieldLife] Re: WHAT IF?

2009-01-16 Thread enlightened_dawn11
exactly what i would expect you to say-- in other words you want to 
keep your cake (ego) and eat it too! perfect-- you are proving my 
point every time you open that itty bitty little mouth of yours! 
right on-- thank you again, my servant "vaj"!:)

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj  wrote:
>
> 
> On Jan 16, 2009, at 12:33 PM, enlightened_dawn11 wrote:
> 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj  wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >> On Jan 16, 2009, at 12:02 PM, enlightened_dawn11 wrote:
> >>
> >>> however the goal is actually reached by TRANSCENDING THE DOGMA,
> >>> whether it is the Buddhist ideals of compassion or whether it 
is
> > the
> >>> TMO ideals of living a Vedic life.
> >>
> >>
> >> It sounds like you lack an experiential understanding of the
> >> difference between relative compassion and absolute compassion 
or
> >> what the nature of consciousness actually is.
> >>
> >> There's ultimately nothing to transcend; what a silly belief.
> >>
> > it sounds to me as if you are claiming to be enlightened. or you 
are
> > trapped by dogma. which is it please?
> 
> I'm afraid you're a bit too binary for me my dear!
>




[FairfieldLife] Re: WHAT IF?

2009-01-16 Thread enlightened_dawn11
no problem hon-- had some good stuff to say-- as "vaj" just 
demonstrated, timing is everything-- have fun without me!

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB  
wrote:
>
> > with any technique of transcendence, there comes a point where 
the 
> > devotee must make a choice, going with continuing dogmas, or 
going 
> > for realization; enlightenment, at ALL COSTS. 
> > 
> > it is safe and easy to fool ourselves into thinking if we 
continue 
> > to do "right action", as defined by the ego, that the grand 
glory 
> > of enlightenment will be ours-- this is the trap-- for TMO it is 
> > following to the letter what the Maharishi said, and for 
Buddhists 
> > it is all the things the Buddhas say-- any tradition of 
> > transcendence has this trap. 
> > 
> > however the goal is actually reached by TRANSCENDING THE DOGMA, 
> > whether it is the Buddhist ideals of compassion or whether it is 
> > the TMO ideals of living a Vedic life. depending on our path, 
the 
> > dogma must be absolutely transcended in order top reach the 
goal, 
> > and once we are left naked and screaming in the darkness do we 
> > have any hope of becoming ourselves, becoming enlightened. 
> > anything else is just a circle jerk.
> > 
> > lots of the latter going on right here on FFL by the way. :)
> 
> On the other hand, there is sometimes a value 
> in following the "right action" (rules) of an 
> Internet chat group, because when you "transcend" 
> those rules and overpost, you are left naked and 
> screaming in the darkness of not being able to 
> post for a whole week.  
> 
> See you after midnight GMT Friday, September 
> 23rd, hon. You might want to spend some of the 
> time until then "becoming yourself." But if 
> yourself's ability to transcend is anything 
> like yourself's ability to count, I wouldn't...
> uh...count on becoming enlightened.  :-)
>




[FairfieldLife] Re: WHAT IF?

2009-01-16 Thread TurquoiseB
> with any technique of transcendence, there comes a point where the 
> devotee must make a choice, going with continuing dogmas, or going 
> for realization; enlightenment, at ALL COSTS. 
> 
> it is safe and easy to fool ourselves into thinking if we continue 
> to do "right action", as defined by the ego, that the grand glory 
> of enlightenment will be ours-- this is the trap-- for TMO it is 
> following to the letter what the Maharishi said, and for Buddhists 
> it is all the things the Buddhas say-- any tradition of 
> transcendence has this trap. 
> 
> however the goal is actually reached by TRANSCENDING THE DOGMA, 
> whether it is the Buddhist ideals of compassion or whether it is 
> the TMO ideals of living a Vedic life. depending on our path, the 
> dogma must be absolutely transcended in order top reach the goal, 
> and once we are left naked and screaming in the darkness do we 
> have any hope of becoming ourselves, becoming enlightened. 
> anything else is just a circle jerk.
> 
> lots of the latter going on right here on FFL by the way. :)

On the other hand, there is sometimes a value 
in following the "right action" (rules) of an 
Internet chat group, because when you "transcend" 
those rules and overpost, you are left naked and 
screaming in the darkness of not being able to 
post for a whole week.  

See you after midnight GMT Friday, September 
23rd, hon. You might want to spend some of the 
time until then "becoming yourself." But if 
yourself's ability to transcend is anything 
like yourself's ability to count, I wouldn't...
uh...count on becoming enlightened.  :-)





Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: WHAT IF?

2009-01-16 Thread Vaj


On Jan 16, 2009, at 12:33 PM, enlightened_dawn11 wrote:


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj  wrote:



On Jan 16, 2009, at 12:02 PM, enlightened_dawn11 wrote:


however the goal is actually reached by TRANSCENDING THE DOGMA,
whether it is the Buddhist ideals of compassion or whether it is

the

TMO ideals of living a Vedic life.



It sounds like you lack an experiential understanding of the
difference between relative compassion and absolute compassion or
what the nature of consciousness actually is.

There's ultimately nothing to transcend; what a silly belief.


it sounds to me as if you are claiming to be enlightened. or you are
trapped by dogma. which is it please?


I'm afraid you're a bit too binary for me my dear!

[FairfieldLife] Re: WHAT IF?

2009-01-16 Thread enlightened_dawn11
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj  wrote:
>
> 
> On Jan 16, 2009, at 12:02 PM, enlightened_dawn11 wrote:
> 
> > however the goal is actually reached by TRANSCENDING THE DOGMA,
> > whether it is the Buddhist ideals of compassion or whether it is 
the
> > TMO ideals of living a Vedic life.
> 
> 
> It sounds like you lack an experiential understanding of the  
> difference between relative compassion and absolute compassion or  
> what the nature of consciousness actually is.
> 
> There's ultimately nothing to transcend; what a silly belief.
>
it sounds to me as if you are claiming to be enlightened. or you are 
trapped by dogma. which is it please?



Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: WHAT IF?

2009-01-16 Thread Vaj


On Jan 16, 2009, at 12:02 PM, enlightened_dawn11 wrote:


however the goal is actually reached by TRANSCENDING THE DOGMA,
whether it is the Buddhist ideals of compassion or whether it is the
TMO ideals of living a Vedic life.



It sounds like you lack an experiential understanding of the  
difference between relative compassion and absolute compassion or  
what the nature of consciousness actually is.


There's ultimately nothing to transcend; what a silly belief.

[FairfieldLife] Re: WHAT IF?

2009-01-16 Thread Richard J. Williams
> > Years ago I posted to Usenet several comments 
> > describing my experience searching for the 
> > mysterious and legendary substance, the so-called 
> > 'magic' mushroom, mentioned by Carlos Casteneda 
> > in his great book about don Juan, 'A Yaqui Way 
> > of Knowledge'...
> > 
off wrote:
> This is scary.
>
You sound really scared. 

Don't panic - just put down the pipe and take a few 
deep breaths; eat a candy bar; then try to take a nap. 

At this point, it would be futile for you to try 
typing another silly one-liner.

"He was a sensory feast to behold, seated in the 
highest position in the room on his "throne" chair 
that was placed directly underneath what looked 
like the same unbrella that Guru Dev hasd sat under 
as Shankaracharya. The man had a pure white halo 
that encircled his whole body."

Read more: 

Subject: Galaxy of Fire
From: Willytex
Newsgroups: alt.meditation.transcendental
Date: Mon, Jun 3 2002
http://tinyurl.com/9bwtup



[FairfieldLife] Re: WHAT IF?

2009-01-16 Thread enlightened_dawn11
with any technique of transcendence, there comes a point where the 
devotee must make a choice, going with continuing dogmas, or going 
for realization; enlightenment, at ALL COSTS. 

it is safe and easy to fool ourselves into thinking if we continue 
to do "right action", as defined by the ego, that the grand glory of 
enlightenment will be ours-- this is the trap-- for TMO it is 
following to the letter what the Maharishi said, and for Buddhists 
it is all the things the Buddhas say-- any tradition of 
transcendence has this trap. 

however the goal is actually reached by TRANSCENDING THE DOGMA, 
whether it is the Buddhist ideals of compassion or whether it is the 
TMO ideals of living a Vedic life. depending on our path, the dogma 
must be absolutely transcended in order top reach the goal, and once 
we are left naked and screaming in the darkness do we have any hope 
of becoming ourselves, becoming enlightened. anything else is just a 
circle jerk.

lots of the latter going on right here on FFL by the way. :)
  

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, grate.swan  
wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues"
>  wrote:
> >
> 
> > That
> > the traditional understanding of the states of mind brought 
about by
> > meditation and other "spiritual" techniques are NOT best 
understood by
> > people from the past who tended to filter everything through 
their Uga
> > Booga spin. That was their model for everything.  Why does the 
sun
> > cross the sky?  A god pulls it across with a chariot of course! 
> 
> Which is ironic since pure consciousness, and the absence or
> diminishment of the binding influence of samskararas -- more 
broadly
> -- the diminishment of past experiential and cultural bias -- 
should
> enable a spin-free state of true clarity. Seeing things as they 
ARE --
> absent myriad layers of inner filters, narratives an mind-warping 
biases. 
> 
> TMO and other schools of thought posit that freedom increases as 
this
> non-attachment -- reduction of inner bias -- grows. Ergo, if this
> model was correct, then the more one transcends, then the more the
> world should be seen in its transcendental pristine reality -- as 
it
> IS. One may have been told ancient (chariots in the sky) or modern
> narratives upon initiating transcendence practices, but all such
> narrative should fall off the cliff as the sharp sword of 
knowledge 
> dismembers and slays myth, bias and reveals what is. Trascendence -
-
> per the theory -- should cleanse and open the doors of perception. 
> 
> The model does not predict what actually occurred in the TMO -- and
> apparently other transcendence traditions -- and must be discarded 
by
> rational beings. Instead of clarity and freedom, we obtained 
> increased biases, ancient narratives having no scientific merit 
found
> welcome reception in our hearts, hyper-infusion of what we wanted 
to
> see completely obscured what actually was there -- all such
> perversions grew, not diminished -- both individually and 
collectively.
> 
> Thus, either the theory, the model, is wrong, or the method does 
not
> yield the fruit it promised. Perhaps transcendence, reduction of 
bias
> and distortion within consciousness, actually attracts distortion,
> like a vacuum attracting dirt. 
> 
> Or the method does not reduce to true transcendence, but some 
nether
> world delusion of such -- behind which hidden chains stronger than 
the
> ones we sought to dissolve.
> 
> The proof is in the pudding.  Maybe we should have tried the 
other  door.
> 




[FairfieldLife] Re: WHAT IF?

2009-01-16 Thread Richard J. Williams
TurquoiseB wrote:
> Research on enlightenment conducted by believers
> in the religious or spiritual nature of enlight-
> enment is *always* going to be bogus, because
> the believers seemingly cannot divorce their
> beliefs from what they are investigating...
>
But what about research conducted by scientists
who may not be 'believers'?

"These characteristics, nine in number, were 
derived from a study of the literature of 
spontaneous mystical experiences reported 
throughout world history from almost all 
cultures and religions. 

In studying accounts of these strange, unusual 
experiences, an attempt was made to extract the 
universal psychological characteristics as free 
from interpretation as possible. 

Scientific evidence indicates that these 
universal characteristics derived from spontaneous 
mystical experiences also precisely describe 
experimental psychedelic ones." 

Nine characteristics can be listed as follows:

'LSD and Religious Experience'
Walter N. Pahnke
http://www.psychedelic-library.org/pahnke3.htm



[FairfieldLife] Re: WHAT IF?

2009-01-16 Thread curtisdeltablues
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj  wrote:

Sam Harris is also a resource in this area.  Thanks for the info.


>
> 
> On Jan 16, 2009, at 9:52 AM, curtisdeltablues wrote:
> 
> > I do think that good scientific methodology can transcend (dare I use
> > the term?) a researcher's bias.  You just need some oversight in
> > structuring it from a more impartial party.  It doesn't surprise me
> > that the people with the biggest belief load are also the ones most
> > interested in researching meditation.  They just need some help
> > containing their enthusiasm is skewing results.
> 
> 
> I don't know that this is actually the case. While some leading age  
> meditation researchers may have some unsubstantiated beliefs (we're  
> contacting the unified field, I'm feeling actual presence of Jesus,  
> etc.), most that I am aware of are either atheists, materialists or  
> both and/or they adhere to the rules of a subjective science not  
> necessarily understood (let alone approved of) by the believers of  
> scientism. That is they may of a calibre of scientist who know and  
> understand how to refine attention to the point of being able create  
> a subjective inquiry which can be considered scientific. Just because  
> scientific materialism has caused a belief in a taboo of subjectivity  
> to become fashionable, doesn't render the taboo viable logically or  
> factually nor does it invalidate the possibility of a subjective  
> science. All it really tells us is that scientism is the fashionable  
> belief in our time.
> 
> Also you should know that there is a school, largely inspired by the  
> late great biologist and neuroscientist Francisco Varela, which looks  
> to create a purely modern scientific model for understanding  
> meditation experiences and their results based on Neurophenomenology.  
> While a certain part of this is about 3rd person realities, i.e. the  
> material exploration of phenomenon, but also includes 1st person  
> methodologies, i.e. subjective science. In order to make 1st person  
> methodologies reasonable and unbiased, it is required that such a  
> subjective scientist refine attention, i.e. hone its instruments of  
> subjectivity, appropriately. And of course the material aspects of  
> these subjective states can also, simultaneously, be explored.
> 
> Work's like those of Varela, classics really, and the recent The  
> Mindful Brain, by psychiatrist and Attachment expert Dan Siegel are  
> excellent examples of this emerging paradigm.
>




Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: WHAT IF?

2009-01-16 Thread Vaj


On Jan 16, 2009, at 9:52 AM, curtisdeltablues wrote:


I do think that good scientific methodology can transcend (dare I use
the term?) a researcher's bias.  You just need some oversight in
structuring it from a more impartial party.  It doesn't surprise me
that the people with the biggest belief load are also the ones most
interested in researching meditation.  They just need some help
containing their enthusiasm is skewing results.



I don't know that this is actually the case. While some leading age  
meditation researchers may have some unsubstantiated beliefs (we're  
contacting the unified field, I'm feeling actual presence of Jesus,  
etc.), most that I am aware of are either atheists, materialists or  
both and/or they adhere to the rules of a subjective science not  
necessarily understood (let alone approved of) by the believers of  
scientism. That is they may of a calibre of scientist who know and  
understand how to refine attention to the point of being able create  
a subjective inquiry which can be considered scientific. Just because  
scientific materialism has caused a belief in a taboo of subjectivity  
to become fashionable, doesn't render the taboo viable logically or  
factually nor does it invalidate the possibility of a subjective  
science. All it really tells us is that scientism is the fashionable  
belief in our time.


Also you should know that there is a school, largely inspired by the  
late great biologist and neuroscientist Francisco Varela, which looks  
to create a purely modern scientific model for understanding  
meditation experiences and their results based on Neurophenomenology.  
While a certain part of this is about 3rd person realities, i.e. the  
material exploration of phenomenon, but also includes 1st person  
methodologies, i.e. subjective science. In order to make 1st person  
methodologies reasonable and unbiased, it is required that such a  
subjective scientist refine attention, i.e. hone its instruments of  
subjectivity, appropriately. And of course the material aspects of  
these subjective states can also, simultaneously, be explored.


Work's like those of Varela, classics really, and the recent The  
Mindful Brain, by psychiatrist and Attachment expert Dan Siegel are  
excellent examples of this emerging paradigm.

[FairfieldLife] Re: WHAT IF?

2009-01-16 Thread grate . swan
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues"
 wrote:
>

> That
> the traditional understanding of the states of mind brought about by
> meditation and other "spiritual" techniques are NOT best understood by
> people from the past who tended to filter everything through their Uga
> Booga spin. That was their model for everything.  Why does the sun
> cross the sky?  A god pulls it across with a chariot of course! 

Which is ironic since pure consciousness, and the absence or
diminishment of the binding influence of samskararas -- more broadly
-- the diminishment of past experiential and cultural bias -- should
enable a spin-free state of true clarity. Seeing things as they ARE --
absent myriad layers of inner filters, narratives an mind-warping biases. 

TMO and other schools of thought posit that freedom increases as this
non-attachment -- reduction of inner bias -- grows. Ergo, if this
model was correct, then the more one transcends, then the more the
world should be seen in its transcendental pristine reality -- as it
IS. One may have been told ancient (chariots in the sky) or modern
narratives upon initiating transcendence practices, but all such
narrative should fall off the cliff as the sharp sword of knowledge 
dismembers and slays myth, bias and reveals what is. Trascendence --
per the theory -- should cleanse and open the doors of perception. 

The model does not predict what actually occurred in the TMO -- and
apparently other transcendence traditions -- and must be discarded by
rational beings. Instead of clarity and freedom, we obtained 
increased biases, ancient narratives having no scientific merit found
welcome reception in our hearts, hyper-infusion of what we wanted to
see completely obscured what actually was there -- all such
perversions grew, not diminished -- both individually and collectively.

Thus, either the theory, the model, is wrong, or the method does not
yield the fruit it promised. Perhaps transcendence, reduction of bias
and distortion within consciousness, actually attracts distortion,
like a vacuum attracting dirt. 

Or the method does not reduce to true transcendence, but some nether
world delusion of such -- behind which hidden chains stronger than the
ones we sought to dissolve.

The proof is in the pudding.  Maybe we should have tried the other  door.

 

 



>What
> happens when a person's mind settles down without thought?  They are
> experiencing the source of the whole universe and the home of all the
> laws of nature (another name for gods). 
> 
> By only viewing these experiences in the most fanciful possible way by
> following old traditions the public is left with a skepticism that
> anyone is really experiencing something interesting at all.  I think
> they might figure that if you are imaginative enough to call a silent
> state of you mind, "your big Self" (don't forget to use capital
> letters) then you might just be making the whole thing up.  But I know
> from my own experience that you can alter your mode of functioning.  I
> don't know what it means and I extend that to "neither did Maharishi."
>  But is it an interesting aspect of our minds and might be useful in
> some way outside the self realization model.  But it is going to take
> a lot more time because most thoughtful people are either not inclined
> to look at it as spiritual people do, or they have their own competing
> spirituality that interferes.
> 
> I do think that good scientific methodology can transcend (dare I use
> the term?) a researcher's bias.  You just need some oversight in
> structuring it from a more impartial party.  It doesn't surprise me
> that the people with the biggest belief load are also the ones most
> interested in researching meditation.  They just need some help
> containing their enthusiasm is skewing results.  TM researchers come
> off as so "innocent" that I think the scientific community is not up
> to speed on how quickly they would ditch the methods of good science
> to make their guru look at them with approval with the latest research
> reports.  This may be true of other groups.
> 
> Very interesting angle Turq, thanks for reeling it back.
> 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB  wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB  wrote:
> > >
> > > WHAT IF THERE WERE A DRUG THAT:
> > >  
> > > What if someone slipped you such a drug without you knowing
> > > it and it produced all of the experiences listed above. 
> > > 
> > > Would you be able to distinguish what you were experiencing 
> > > from what you consider "real" enlightenment?
> > > 
> > > AND, JUST FOR FUN, WHAT IF:
> > > 
> > > * *Every* experience of "enlightenment" in human history,
> > > no matter what the path taken to achieve it, were nothing
> > > more (or less) than these same parts of the brain being
> > > activated and subjective experiences being provided 
> > > chemically to the brain? (In other words, it is a *purely*
> > > chemical experienc

[FairfieldLife] Re: WHAT IF?

2009-01-16 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues"
 wrote:
>
> > In other words, "scientists" investigating a 
> > purely drug-related experience would not be
> > tempted to project "God" or "perfection" onto
> > reports of that experience. But believers in all
> > of the historical religious or "spiritual" spec-
> > ulations about what such an experience "means"
> > will *always* project their beliefs onto it,
> > and thus color and invalidate their findings.
> > 
> > Research on enlightenment conducted by believers
> > in the religious or spiritual nature of enlight-
> > enment is *always* going to be bogus, because
> > the believers seemingly cannot divorce their
> > beliefs from what they are investigating.
> 
> Since I was the first "derailer" I'll help you get back on to 
> your topic.

Thanks, Curtis. Your posts probably planted
the idea in my head in the first place, but
I've been thinking about it lately, and how
much prejudicial junk is built into the study
of enlightenment.

It's even in the language -- believers tend 
to always refer to it as a "higher" state of 
consciousness, not just a "different" one or 
an "altered" one.

> Your post is an excellent exposition of what I have concluded. That
> the traditional understanding of the states of mind brought about by
> meditation and other "spiritual" techniques are NOT best understood 
> by people from the past who tended to filter everything through 
> their Uga Booga spin. That was their model for everything.  Why 
> does the sun cross the sky?  A god pulls it across with a chariot 
> of course!  

This is what drives me up the wall with some
of JohnR's posts. He seems intent on reinter-
preting all of existence in terms of the Vedas,
as if they are somehow the "master document,"
and everything by definition *has* to fit into
their vision of things. Lately he's been trying
to do it with particle physics.

> What happens when a person's mind settles down without thought?  
> They are experiencing the source of the whole universe and the 
> home of all the laws of nature (another name for gods). 

When, in reality, all that we can legitimately
say that they are experiencing is the mind free
from thoughts. 

Why isn't that ENOUGH? Probably 95% of the people
on the planet would say, if asked, that such a
state cannot exist, because they haven't ever
experienced it. To me, the thoughtless state is
pretty whiz-bang neat *without* all the Uga Booga.

> By only viewing these experiences in the most fanciful possible 
> way by following old traditions the public is left with a 
> skepticism that anyone is really experiencing something 
> interesting at all. I think they might figure that if you are 
> imaginative enough to call a silent state of you mind, "your big 
> Self" (don't forget to use capital letters) then you might just 
> be making the whole thing up.  

Exactly. If the people being tested were being
honest, what they would say is that they are 
experiencing a thoughtless state, and that it
feels pretty neat. But when they describe it as
"merging with the home of all the laws of the
universe and enlivening them," who would NOT
laugh at them who has not been pre-brainwashed
to use and understand that jargon used as a 
euphemism for something much simpler. To me,
the "simple version" would be easier for people
to understand, without the Uga Booga.

> But I know from my own experience that you can alter your mode 
> of functioning.  

As do I. I am **NOT** a skeptic about the exis-
tence of a state that we could call "enlightenment."
Been there, done that, even if it only lasted for
days or weeks at a time. 

But I did **NOT** find that I was "perfect" during
those periods of time, or that I was "in tune with
all the laws of nature" or that I was "one with God"
during those periods. I've had these experiences off
an on now for 36 years, and I don't even *believe*
in God. :-)

> I don't know what it means and I extend that to "neither did 
> Maharishi."

Exactly. I think that he did exactly what we see
JohnR and others doing in his wake -- consider the
old belief system the "master document" and then
try to reinterpret all experience *in terms of it*.
I suspect that almost everyone can see the bogosity
of such an approach. TM TBs on this forum can see 
it when Christians do it, but they seem to be unable
to see when *they* do it.

> But is it an interesting aspect of our minds and might be useful in
> some way outside the self realization model. But it is going to take
> a lot more time because most thoughtful people are either not 
> inclined to look at it as spiritual people do, or they have their 
> own competing spirituality that interferes.

Or, because they have never experienced anything
like these phenomena themselves, they have no
interest in them.

> I do think that good scientific methodology can transcend (dare I 
> use the term?) a researcher's bias. You just need some oversight in
> structuring it from a more impartial party

[FairfieldLife] Re: WHAT IF?

2009-01-16 Thread curtisdeltablues
> In other words, "scientists" investigating a 
> purely drug-related experience would not be
> tempted to project "God" or "perfection" onto
> reports of that experience. But believers in all
> of the historical religious or "spiritual" spec-
> ulations about what such an experience "means"
> will *always* project their beliefs onto it,
> and thus color and invalidate their findings.
> 
> Research on enlightenment conducted by believers
> in the religious or spiritual nature of enlight-
> enment is *always* going to be bogus, because
> the believers seemingly cannot divorce their
> beliefs from what they are investigating.


Since I was the first "derailer" I'll help you get back on to your topic.

Your post is an excellent exposition of what I have concluded.  That
the traditional understanding of the states of mind brought about by
meditation and other "spiritual" techniques are NOT best understood by
people from the past who tended to filter everything through their Uga
Booga spin. That was their model for everything.  Why does the sun
cross the sky?  A god pulls it across with a chariot of course!  What
happens when a person's mind settles down without thought?  They are
experiencing the source of the whole universe and the home of all the
laws of nature (another name for gods). 

By only viewing these experiences in the most fanciful possible way by
following old traditions the public is left with a skepticism that
anyone is really experiencing something interesting at all.  I think
they might figure that if you are imaginative enough to call a silent
state of you mind, "your big Self" (don't forget to use capital
letters) then you might just be making the whole thing up.  But I know
from my own experience that you can alter your mode of functioning.  I
don't know what it means and I extend that to "neither did Maharishi."
 But is it an interesting aspect of our minds and might be useful in
some way outside the self realization model.  But it is going to take
a lot more time because most thoughtful people are either not inclined
to look at it as spiritual people do, or they have their own competing
spirituality that interferes.

I do think that good scientific methodology can transcend (dare I use
the term?) a researcher's bias.  You just need some oversight in
structuring it from a more impartial party.  It doesn't surprise me
that the people with the biggest belief load are also the ones most
interested in researching meditation.  They just need some help
containing their enthusiasm is skewing results.  TM researchers come
off as so "innocent" that I think the scientific community is not up
to speed on how quickly they would ditch the methods of good science
to make their guru look at them with approval with the latest research
reports.  This may be true of other groups.

Very interesting angle Turq, thanks for reeling it back.


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB  wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB  wrote:
> >
> > WHAT IF THERE WERE A DRUG THAT:
> >  
> > What if someone slipped you such a drug without you knowing
> > it and it produced all of the experiences listed above. 
> > 
> > Would you be able to distinguish what you were experiencing 
> > from what you consider "real" enlightenment?
> > 
> > AND, JUST FOR FUN, WHAT IF:
> > 
> > * *Every* experience of "enlightenment" in human history,
> > no matter what the path taken to achieve it, were nothing
> > more (or less) than these same parts of the brain being
> > activated and subjective experiences being provided 
> > chemically to the brain? (In other words, it is a *purely*
> > chemical experience, and has nothing to do with anything
> > "spiritual" at all.)
> > 
> > * "Enlightenment" were nothing more *than* these chemical
> > changes in the brain and how we perceive them subjectively?
> > 
> > * ALL of the dogma and mythology that has built up around
> > "enlightenment" and the characteristics of the enlightened
> > over the centuries was just people trying to come up with 
> > some "story" to account for a purely chemical experience?
> > 
> > It's just a "what if" question, posted to see who can have
> > fun with it, and who it drives up the wall.  :-)
> 
> 
> I think it's interesting that everyone who
> replied went off on a tangent about drugs,
> but that wasn't my point. I have very little
> interest in drugs per se. I'll reiterate my
> real point, just in case anyone is interested 
> in taking the conversation in that direction.
> 
> My "what if" question was about whether there
> might be **NO** "spiritual" or "religious"
> component to the subjective experience that
> people have called "enlightenment" through
> the ages. That is, whether it might be purely
> a physiological condition, one that happens
> for any number of reasons, **NONE** of them
> related to religion or spirituality.
> 
> I have no problem with this view, and consider
> it quite possible. What I've noticed, however,
> is that

[FairfieldLife] Re: WHAT IF?

2009-01-16 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB  wrote:
>
> WHAT IF THERE WERE A DRUG THAT:
>  
> What if someone slipped you such a drug without you knowing
> it and it produced all of the experiences listed above. 
> 
> Would you be able to distinguish what you were experiencing 
> from what you consider "real" enlightenment?
> 
> AND, JUST FOR FUN, WHAT IF:
> 
> * *Every* experience of "enlightenment" in human history,
> no matter what the path taken to achieve it, were nothing
> more (or less) than these same parts of the brain being
> activated and subjective experiences being provided 
> chemically to the brain? (In other words, it is a *purely*
> chemical experience, and has nothing to do with anything
> "spiritual" at all.)
> 
> * "Enlightenment" were nothing more *than* these chemical
> changes in the brain and how we perceive them subjectively?
> 
> * ALL of the dogma and mythology that has built up around
> "enlightenment" and the characteristics of the enlightened
> over the centuries was just people trying to come up with 
> some "story" to account for a purely chemical experience?
> 
> It's just a "what if" question, posted to see who can have
> fun with it, and who it drives up the wall.  :-)


I think it's interesting that everyone who
replied went off on a tangent about drugs,
but that wasn't my point. I have very little
interest in drugs per se. I'll reiterate my
real point, just in case anyone is interested 
in taking the conversation in that direction.

My "what if" question was about whether there
might be **NO** "spiritual" or "religious"
component to the subjective experience that
people have called "enlightenment" through
the ages. That is, whether it might be purely
a physiological condition, one that happens
for any number of reasons, **NONE** of them
related to religion or spirituality.

I have no problem with this view, and consider
it quite possible. What I've noticed, however,
is that a lot of people seem incapable of look-
ing at the question that way. They seem to not
be able to view the subjective experience of
enlightenment as anything *but* a "spiritual"
experience, and in the context of "God" or
"realization of God" or "becoming in tune with
the laws of nature" or "becoming perfect."

Me, I tend to believe that all that stuff was
just people trying to rationalize a simple
physiological experience and come up with 
socially-acceptable "reasons" for it, when in
fact there may be none. Clearly, if one looks
with an unbiased eye at the history of enlight-
enment, there is not an ounce of proof that
having the experience of what is termed 
"enlightenment" makes the person having it
any more "perfect" or any more free from mis-
takes or the ability to do things that pretty
much everyone considers wrong than anyone else. 
Historically, there is not an ounce of proof 
that their subjective experience has anything 
to do with "God" or realization of "God" or 
"attuning themselves to the laws or will of 
nature."

But the myths are still there, in my opinion
because humans aren't content with having some
experience and just allowing it to be an exper-
ience. They have to come up with "reasons" for
the experience. And those reasons always tend
to come from the superstitious belief systems
that they had before they had the experience or
that they concoct around the experience.

I guess my only point in even bringing it up
in the first place is that I think that we are
far more likely to find any "truth" or meaning-
ful information about the phenomenon we call
"enlightenment" from researchers into it as
a *purely physiological experience* with *no*
religious or "spiritual" connotations than we
are from those who believe in those religious
or physical connotations. 

In other words, "scientists" investigating a 
purely drug-related experience would not be
tempted to project "God" or "perfection" onto
reports of that experience. But believers in all
of the historical religious or "spiritual" spec-
ulations about what such an experience "means"
will *always* project their beliefs onto it,
and thus color and invalidate their findings.

Research on enlightenment conducted by believers
in the religious or spiritual nature of enlight-
enment is *always* going to be bogus, because
the believers seemingly cannot divorce their
beliefs from what they are investigating.





[FairfieldLife] Re: WHAT IF?

2009-01-15 Thread off_world_beings
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Richard J. Williams" 
 wrote:
>
> > > Psilocybin research fits pretty well.
> > >
> uns wrote:
> > "What if..." enquiry should have included
> > the message "...without turning the subject 
> > into a deluded acid head".
> >
> Some western people just can't deal with the 
> idea of people getting spiritual by ingesting 
> plant substances like the ancient Vedic Aryans 
> did. >>

Yes they can.  Westerners are VERY good at believing such things.
The thing is WillyTex, YOU ARE NOT a Rishi partaking of the Soma 
plant, and you did not get enlighted at a 60's hippy party in texas 
where you took some substance and thought that Don Juan gave it to 
you.

Lol...this is great stuff !

OffWorld





[FairfieldLife] Re: WHAT IF?

2009-01-15 Thread off_world_beings
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Richard J. Williams" 
 wrote:
>
> TurquoiseB wrote:
> > WHAT IF THERE WERE A DRUG THAT:
> > 
> > * Activated the part of the brain that scientists now
> > associate with a person having subjective experiences 
> > of a spiritual nature...
> > 
> Years ago I posted to Usenet several comments describing 
> my experience searching for the mysterious and legendary 
> substance, the so-called 'magic' mushroom, mentioned by 
> Carlos Casteneda in his great book about don Juan, 'A 
> Yaqui Way of Knowledge'.
> 
> "In late 1971 I went down to Mexico with Carlos Casteneda 
> and Oscar Ichazo, whom I had met at Esalen, but we didn't 
> find any magic mushrooms growing in the wild. 
> 
> However, at a party someone, probably don Juan, gave me 
> a taco to eat that was laced with 'fly agaric'. When I 
> found out I almost gagged on the spot. D'oh! I've always 
> been a Cactus man, chased with Tequila. 
> 
> Anyway, although I spit out the offending fungus right 
> away, it was too late; the psychoactive ingredients were 
> already taking their effect on me: to alter my very state 
> of conciousness.
> 
> Suddenly, I transcended and I saw and experienced the 
> entire cosmos as a Divine Bi-Unity, inter-related, just 
> like the Net of Lord Indra. I realized that we are all 
> inter-connected and I became enlightened on the spot. >>

This is scary.
Sounds exactly like Jay Lathom just before he excommunicated himself.

Willytex...get back to simplicity, get out of Texas. You are on a 
dead end road. Go back to Fairfield at all costs. Last chance.

OffWorld



> 
> Then, standing right in front of me, appeared the 
> Creator God of Volcanos and His wife, the beautiful 
> Wisdom Sophia, their son Baal, and their daughter Ashley. 
> I realized that existence, is, in Reality, a great big 
> family affair!"
> 
> Read more: 
> 
> A preliminary, annotated hagiography of past gleaning 
> positioning endeavors, with some appended statements: 
> 
> 'The Confessions of a Taco Eater' 
> http://www.rwilliams.us/archives/confessions.htm
>




[FairfieldLife] Re: WHAT IF?

2009-01-15 Thread yifuxero
--Trichocereus pachanoi:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/San_pedro_cactus
Contains mescaline.  A cutting of only a few inches will be fine. No 
need to overdo it.  Just get a sharp knife and remove the leathery 
skin; but scrape off the dark colored plant cells adhering to the 
inside of the skin, placing it in a pot of boiling water with the 
rest of it.
 Cook for a while until a foamy froth comes to the top. Cool and 
discard the froth; drinking the rest. Enjoy.


- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "I am the eternal" 
 wrote:
>
> On Thu, Jan 15, 2009 at 4:31 PM, metoostill  wrote:
> 
> OK, if Maharishi said it's OK, then it's on the program.  According 
to
> Erowid my buds (pun intended) and I need at most a pound and a 
half, fresh.
> So I figure a 6-7 foot cutting ought to do it.  I assume you serve 
this just
> like nopalitos.  As a Texan I know about those.  Now I assume that 
St.
> Peter's Cactus is best eaten right before my buds and I go to do 
evening
> program, right?
> 
> Will we be able to perform the sidhis better?  Patanjali said that 
the
> sidhis can be performed from taking drugs or mental defect.  I 
assume this
> counts as taking drugs, right?
>




[FairfieldLife] Re: WHAT IF?

2009-01-15 Thread curtisdeltablues
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "I am the eternal"
 wrote:
>
> On Thu, Jan 15, 2009 at 4:31 PM, metoostill  wrote:
> 
> OK, if Maharishi said it's OK, then it's on the program.  According to
> Erowid my buds (pun intended) and I need at most a pound and a half,
fresh.
> So I figure a 6-7 foot cutting ought to do it.  I assume you serve
this just
> like nopalitos.  As a Texan I know about those.  Now I assume that St.
> Peter's Cactus is best eaten right before my buds and I go to do evening
> program, right?
> 
> Will we be able to perform the sidhis better?  Patanjali said that the
> sidhis can be performed from taking drugs or mental defect.  I
assume this> counts as taking drugs, right?

Any cactus based buzz will be accompanied by the sidhi of high
velocity projectile vomiting and a state of bakti towards the
porcelain throne of the technicolor yawn! 



>




Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: WHAT IF?

2009-01-15 Thread I am the eternal
On Thu, Jan 15, 2009 at 4:31 PM, metoostill  wrote:

OK, if Maharishi said it's OK, then it's on the program.  According to
Erowid my buds (pun intended) and I need at most a pound and a half, fresh.
So I figure a 6-7 foot cutting ought to do it.  I assume you serve this just
like nopalitos.  As a Texan I know about those.  Now I assume that St.
Peter's Cactus is best eaten right before my buds and I go to do evening
program, right?

Will we be able to perform the sidhis better?  Patanjali said that the
sidhis can be performed from taking drugs or mental defect.  I assume this
counts as taking drugs, right?


[FairfieldLife] Re: WHAT IF?

2009-01-15 Thread metoostill
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Richard J. Williams"  
wrote:
>
> > > Psilocybin research fits pretty well.
> > >
> uns wrote:
> > "What if..." enquiry should have included
> > the message "...without turning the subject 
> > into a deluded acid head".
> >
> Some western people just can't deal with the 
> idea of people getting spiritual by ingesting 
> plant substances like the ancient Vedic Aryans 
> did. 
> 
> There's a deep-seated prejudice in America 
> against ritual trance-induction, unless its 
> alcohol induced. In our western society some 
> people have gotten to the point where otherwise 
> decent, honest people resort to rank hypocrisy 
> when even discussing the subject.
>

The talk on the link below is Maharishi on Feb 7 1966 at the Kumbha Mela 
spiritual 
gathering in Allahabad India talking about psychedelics. Endorsing the notion 
that 
psychedelics are not foreign to eastern wisdom traditions.  It was posted only 
a week ago 
(Dec 2008) online for the first time since it's recording, apparently out of 
someone's long 
forgotten attic archives.  It is hard to get similar statements out of people 
in the present 
age.

A variety of questioners try to coach him to say they are bad or illusory in 
some sense, but 
others support the idea that they catalyze authentic and valuable experience.  
Maharishi 
eventually says that it is possible for a drug to produce the experience of 
transcendental 
consciousness, and that could be what the vedas describe as soma that you eat.  
Tape two 
again begins with a question meant to lead Maharishi to say that entheogens are 
not 
authentic, but again he endorses the notion that they can be.

Not, for the avoidance of doubt, that I would subscribe to the view that he 
knows anything 
more than anyone else about the subject.  But it is an interesting sentiment 
from a 
representative of that culture, recorded before psychedelics became such a 
politicized 
topic; albeit after considerable effect of cultural globalization, but still 
prior to the extreme 
politicization of the psychedelic phenomenon. 

Talk #1 is 48 min long, at 23 min talk on psychedelics starts, at 34:40 the 
talk becomes 
particularly interesting, leaving the topic at 43 min.

For long time members of the TM movement, Vernon Katz, an English devotee, is 
one of 
the people on the tape, and they mention Mother Olson, an LA devotee, as owner 
of a big 
American car.

For those who are not aficionados of Indian Vedic literature, the Kali Yuga and 
Sat Yuga 
being referred to are features of the Vedic creation myths, akin to Genesis in 
the bible.  
Those myths suffer the same fate as the Bible's Genesis in that we now 
understand that 
the world was not built in 7 days, and nor has the human species been on earth 
for the 
untold millions of years that the Yugas, or epochs, of the Vedic creation myths 
specify.  I 
mention those points to underscore the fact that I am under no illusion myself 
as to the 
degree to which one can take this endorsement to the bank to be deposited under 
"so 
there".  Only that it represents a member of that tradition considering the 
topic, according 
to his cultural background, his knowledge of the indigenous discussion of soma 
from the 
Sama Veda and other sources, at a time when denying that psychedelics were the 
soma 
that Aldous Huxley, Gordon Wasson and others suspected that they were, was not 
the 
polarizing and politicized topic that it later became.  In fact Mahahishi at 
some point began 
requiring that one stop using drugs for 2 weeks before taking instruction in 
his 
meditation.

Talk #2 is later the same day and is 5 min long and returns to the discussion 
on 
psychedelics at 3 min.

http://www.spiritualregeneration.org/audios/19660207_KumbhaMela_2of3_Kali_yuga_psy
chedelics_S.mp3

http://www.spiritualregeneration.org/audios/19660207_KumbhaMela_3of3_Kalki_psyche
delics_S.mp3






[FairfieldLife] Re: WHAT IF?

2009-01-15 Thread yifuxero
--thx.  San Pedro cactus is legal and available as a "botanical 
specimen", should anybody want some.  (but I haven't had any in 
decades). I'll stick to whatever chemicals my body produces along 
with the herbals such as curcumin that have a rejuvenating (but non 
psychotropic) effect on the brain.


- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Richard J. Williams" 
 wrote:
>
> yifuxero wrote:
> > Your Neo-Advaitin admonitions such as 
> > "Just Be" don't hold much water in the 
> > face of your own experience
> >
> Maybe, but after all, the ancient Vedic Rishis 
> used to drink the Soma and the recipe was lost 
> thousands of years ago, before they even got 
> to India, but that hasn't stopped the Yogis 
> from believing in the Vedas, has it? 
> 
> But I think the point is that you have to get 
> high only once - alter your cosciousness a 
> single time, and then you KNOW that things are 
> not just as they appear. 
> 
> That, in itself, is a revelation worthy of any 
> religion. 
> 
> You can 'cross over to the other shore' with a 
> boat, but once you have crossed over, you would 
> look very foolish if you carried your boat 
> around on your head. 
> 
> Once enlightened, always enlightened. 
> 
> > To be consistent, shouldn't you go around 
> > promoting shroom ingestion?  
> > 
> Well, maybe, but I've always been a cactus man,
> chased with Tequila.
> 
> In Indian mythology the Sanskrit word 'mela' means 
> a 'festival' and 'Khumb' means a 'pot'. 
> 
> According to the Vedic literature, at the 
> beginning of time, the Gods got together and 
> churned the ocean to extract a substance which 
> would confer immortality. 
> 
> The Gods agreed to share this mighty elixir, 
> but one of them apparently absconded with the 
> whole pot of Holy Ambrosia. Fleeing with the 
> 'Nectar of the Gods', over the course of twelve 
> days, the decoction Amrita was spilt onto four 
> auspicious places, namely, Prayag, Hardwar, 
> Ujjain, and Nasik. 
> 
> Read more:
> 
> Subject: Nectar of the Gods?
> Author: Willytex
> Newsgroups: alt.meditation.transcendental, 
> alt.meditation, alt.yoga, alt.magick.tantra, 
> alt.buddha.short.fat.guy
> Date: Fri, Aug 6 2004
> http://tinyurl.com/8r59z5
> 
> Subject: Nectar of the Gods? Part 2
> Author: Willytex
> Newsgroups: alt.meditation.transcendental, 
> alt.meditation, alt.yoga, alt.magick.tantra, 
> alt.buddha.short.fat.guy
> Date: Tues, Aug 10 2004 6:16 pm
> http://tinyurl.com/6twla6
> 
> Subject: Some Fly Agaric
> Author: Willytex
> Newsgroups: alt.meditation.transcendental
> Date: Thurs, Jun 20 2002
> http://tinyurl.com/9nvu47
> 
> > > 'The Confessions of a Taco Eater' 
> > > http://www.rwilliams.us/archives/confessions.htm
>




[FairfieldLife] Re: WHAT IF?

2009-01-15 Thread Richard J. Williams
yifuxero wrote:
> Your Neo-Advaitin admonitions such as 
> "Just Be" don't hold much water in the 
> face of your own experience
>
Maybe, but after all, the ancient Vedic Rishis 
used to drink the Soma and the recipe was lost 
thousands of years ago, before they even got 
to India, but that hasn't stopped the Yogis 
from believing in the Vedas, has it? 

But I think the point is that you have to get 
high only once - alter your cosciousness a 
single time, and then you KNOW that things are 
not just as they appear. 

That, in itself, is a revelation worthy of any 
religion. 

You can 'cross over to the other shore' with a 
boat, but once you have crossed over, you would 
look very foolish if you carried your boat 
around on your head. 

Once enlightened, always enlightened. 

> To be consistent, shouldn't you go around 
> promoting shroom ingestion?  
> 
Well, maybe, but I've always been a cactus man,
chased with Tequila.

In Indian mythology the Sanskrit word 'mela' means 
a 'festival' and 'Khumb' means a 'pot'. 

According to the Vedic literature, at the 
beginning of time, the Gods got together and 
churned the ocean to extract a substance which 
would confer immortality. 

The Gods agreed to share this mighty elixir, 
but one of them apparently absconded with the 
whole pot of Holy Ambrosia. Fleeing with the 
'Nectar of the Gods', over the course of twelve 
days, the decoction Amrita was spilt onto four 
auspicious places, namely, Prayag, Hardwar, 
Ujjain, and Nasik. 

Read more:

Subject: Nectar of the Gods?
Author: Willytex
Newsgroups: alt.meditation.transcendental, 
alt.meditation, alt.yoga, alt.magick.tantra, 
alt.buddha.short.fat.guy
Date: Fri, Aug 6 2004
http://tinyurl.com/8r59z5

Subject: Nectar of the Gods? Part 2
Author: Willytex
Newsgroups: alt.meditation.transcendental, 
alt.meditation, alt.yoga, alt.magick.tantra, 
alt.buddha.short.fat.guy
Date: Tues, Aug 10 2004 6:16 pm
http://tinyurl.com/6twla6

Subject: Some Fly Agaric
Author: Willytex
Newsgroups: alt.meditation.transcendental
Date: Thurs, Jun 20 2002
http://tinyurl.com/9nvu47

> > 'The Confessions of a Taco Eater' 
> > http://www.rwilliams.us/archives/confessions.htm



[FairfieldLife] Re: WHAT IF?

2009-01-15 Thread Richard J. Williams
> > Psilocybin research fits pretty well.
> >
uns wrote:
> "What if..." enquiry should have included
> the message "...without turning the subject 
> into a deluded acid head".
>
Some western people just can't deal with the 
idea of people getting spiritual by ingesting 
plant substances like the ancient Vedic Aryans 
did. 

There's a deep-seated prejudice in America 
against ritual trance-induction, unless its 
alcohol induced. In our western society some 
people have gotten to the point where otherwise 
decent, honest people resort to rank hypocrisy 
when even discussing the subject.

Seratonin is generated in the brain during TM 
practice, so there's no need to procure illegal 
chemicals. Maharishi has made a complete program 
available with hundreds of organic substances 
and potions available for self medication. 

He's got more potions that Carter had 'Little 
Liver Pills'!

Among the brain's many jobs is to be your own 
chemist. The brain produces more than 50 
identified active drugs. Some of these are 
associated with memory, others with intelligence, 
still others are sedatives. Endorphin is the 
brain's painkiller, and it is 3 times more 
potent than morphine. More than 100,000 chemical 
reactions go on in your brain every second! 

Read more: 

Subject: No, Im not on Soma!
From: Willytex
Newsgroups: alt.meditation.transcendental
Date: Thurs, Jun 24 2004 11:23 pm
http://tinyurl.com/9sk2hs

Subject: TM Caused My Wife to Have Panic Attacks!
From: Willytex
Newsgroups: alt.meditation.transcendental
Date: Fri, Jan 7 2005 10:38 am
http://tinyurl.com/a8uqeg





[FairfieldLife] Re: WHAT IF?

2009-01-15 Thread yifuxero
--Willytex, this is most interesting!  But isn't there a downside? 
(I'll let you answer for yourself): you won't be able to teach this 
as a route to Unity.  It's like making a pact before incarnating, 
something like 
"OK, I'm getting close to Unity and need one final stimulus.  
Practicing TM for decades won't do so I'll take the schrooms saving 
me the Sadhana. That will get be there quicker".
 Your Neo-Advaitin admonitions such as "Just Be" don't hold much 
water in the face of your own experience.  
 I don't see how people can teach others something different than 
what they experienced themselves.
 To be consistent, shouldn't you go around promoting shroom 
ingestion?  Could be the modern-day Soma and you could be the Leary-
like pied piper of the 21st century!

MEPHISTOPHELES (from Wiki):
The name is associated with the Faust legend of a scholar who wagers 
his soul against the devil being able to make Faust wish to live, 
even for a moment, based on the historical Johann Georg Faust.

The name appears in the late 16th century Faust chapbooks. In the 
1725 version which was read by Goethe, Mephostophiles is a devil in 
the form of a greyfriar summoned by Faust in a wood outside 
Wittenberg. The name Mephistophiles already appears in the 1527 
Praxis Magia Faustiana, printed in Passau, alongside pseudo-Hebrew 
text. It is best explained as a purposely obscure pseudo-Greek or 
pseudo-Hebrew formation of Renaissance magic




- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Richard J. Williams" 
 wrote:
>
> TurquoiseB wrote:
> > WHAT IF THERE WERE A DRUG THAT:
> > 
> > * Activated the part of the brain that scientists now
> > associate with a person having subjective experiences 
> > of a spiritual nature...
> > 
> Years ago I posted to Usenet several comments describing 
> my experience searching for the mysterious and legendary 
> substance, the so-called 'magic' mushroom, mentioned by 
> Carlos Casteneda in his great book about don Juan, 'A 
> Yaqui Way of Knowledge'.
> 
> "In late 1971 I went down to Mexico with Carlos Casteneda 
> and Oscar Ichazo, whom I had met at Esalen, but we didn't 
> find any magic mushrooms growing in the wild. 
> 
> However, at a party someone, probably don Juan, gave me 
> a taco to eat that was laced with 'fly agaric'. When I 
> found out I almost gagged on the spot. D'oh! I've always 
> been a Cactus man, chased with Tequila. 
> 
> Anyway, although I spit out the offending fungus right 
> away, it was too late; the psychoactive ingredients were 
> already taking their effect on me: to alter my very state 
> of conciousness.
> 
> Suddenly, I transcended and I saw and experienced the 
> entire cosmos as a Divine Bi-Unity, inter-related, just 
> like the Net of Lord Indra. I realized that we are all 
> inter-connected and I became enlightened on the spot. 
> 
> Then, standing right in front of me, appeared the 
> Creator God of Volcanos and His wife, the beautiful 
> Wisdom Sophia, their son Baal, and their daughter Ashley. 
> I realized that existence, is, in Reality, a great big 
> family affair!"
> 
> Read more: 
> 
> A preliminary, annotated hagiography of past gleaning 
> positioning endeavors, with some appended statements: 
> 
> 'The Confessions of a Taco Eater' 
> http://www.rwilliams.us/archives/confessions.htm
>




[FairfieldLife] Re: WHAT IF?

2009-01-15 Thread uns_tressor
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues" 
 wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB  wrote:
> >
> > WHAT IF THERE WERE A DRUG THAT:
> 
> Already being done: 
> http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=1075840
> 
> Psilocybin research fits pretty well.
> 
The original "What if..." enquiry should have included
the message "...without turning the subject into a
deluded acid head".
Uns.



[FairfieldLife] Re: WHAT IF?

2009-01-15 Thread curtisdeltablues
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB  wrote:
>
> WHAT IF THERE WERE A DRUG THAT:

Already being done: 
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=1075840

Psilocybin research fits pretty well.


> 
> * Activated the part of the brain that scientists now
> associate with a person having subjective experiences 
> of a spiritual nature?
> 
> * Activated the part of the brain that causes us to see 
> everything around us in terms of Unity (as described so
> well by the female brain scientist who had a stroke)?
> 
> * Chemically provided the subjective experience that you 
> were somehow "witnessing" your own thoughts and actions, 
> or were experiencing something you couldn't describe but
> felt to be "transcendent" at all times?
> 
> * Chemically provided the subjective experience that you 
> were "in tune" with nature or with the will of God?
> 
> * Chemically provided the subjective experience that you 
> "know" things, and that each of these things that you 
> "know," whether as a result of intuition or 'seeing' or 
> just opinion, were Absolute Truth, without any possi-
> bility of being false?
> 
> * Chemically provided the subjective feeling that being 
> in your very presence was beneficial to other people, and 
> that you were somehow influencing them positively just by 
> being around them?
> 
> 
> What if someone slipped you such a drug without you knowing
> it and it produced all of the experiences listed above. 
> 
> Would you be able to distinguish what you were experiencing 
> from what you consider "real" enlightenment?
> 
> 
> AND, JUST FOR FUN, WHAT IF:
> 
> * *Every* experience of "enlightenment" in human history,
> no matter what the path taken to achieve it, were nothing
> more (or less) than these same parts of the brain being
> activated and subjective experiences being provided 
> chemically to the brain? (In other words, it is a *purely*
> chemical experience, and has nothing to do with anything
> "spiritual" at all.)
> 
> * "Enlightenment" were nothing more *than* these chemical
> changes in the brain and how we perceive them subjectively?
> 
> * ALL of the dogma and mythology that has built up around
> "enlightenment" and the characteristics of the enlightened
> over the centuries was just people trying to come up with 
> some "story" to account for a purely chemical experience?
> 
> 
> It's just a "what if" question, posted to see who can have
> fun with it, and who it drives up the wall.  :-)
>




[FairfieldLife] Re: WHAT IF?

2009-01-15 Thread Richard J. Williams
TurquoiseB wrote:
> WHAT IF THERE WERE A DRUG THAT:
> 
> * Activated the part of the brain that scientists now
> associate with a person having subjective experiences 
> of a spiritual nature...
> 
Years ago I posted to Usenet several comments describing 
my experience searching for the mysterious and legendary 
substance, the so-called 'magic' mushroom, mentioned by 
Carlos Casteneda in his great book about don Juan, 'A 
Yaqui Way of Knowledge'.

"In late 1971 I went down to Mexico with Carlos Casteneda 
and Oscar Ichazo, whom I had met at Esalen, but we didn't 
find any magic mushrooms growing in the wild. 

However, at a party someone, probably don Juan, gave me 
a taco to eat that was laced with 'fly agaric'. When I 
found out I almost gagged on the spot. D'oh! I've always 
been a Cactus man, chased with Tequila. 

Anyway, although I spit out the offending fungus right 
away, it was too late; the psychoactive ingredients were 
already taking their effect on me: to alter my very state 
of conciousness.

Suddenly, I transcended and I saw and experienced the 
entire cosmos as a Divine Bi-Unity, inter-related, just 
like the Net of Lord Indra. I realized that we are all 
inter-connected and I became enlightened on the spot. 

Then, standing right in front of me, appeared the 
Creator God of Volcanos and His wife, the beautiful 
Wisdom Sophia, their son Baal, and their daughter Ashley. 
I realized that existence, is, in Reality, a great big 
family affair!"

Read more: 

A preliminary, annotated hagiography of past gleaning 
positioning endeavors, with some appended statements: 

'The Confessions of a Taco Eater' 
http://www.rwilliams.us/archives/confessions.htm



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