Ken Wilber's Integral Psychology offers a way of understanding religious traditions while allowing that there are different levels of understanding. One can be describing a tradition in a mythical manner with descriptions of deities and magical forces. Then again one can describe the same thing from the rational approach. Both ways of describing a truth are accurate but the psychological framework is different. For example the process of meditation can be understood as removing samskaras or it can be understood as removing subconscious psychological conditioned programs. Transcending can be understood as bringing one to Pure Being, Sat, or progressively allowing one to experience successively prior stages of experiences until they experience the most basic experience and the prior to that consciousness with no contend. As ken Wilber puts it:
There are arguably the two most important tasks of religion in the 21st-century. The first is to fix our broken religious institutions, creating genuine rational approaches to spirituality in all of our major traditions that can actually meet people where they are while nurturing their growth through magical, mythical, rational, postmodern, and integral stages of development. This alone would help relieve the incredible cultural tension that currently exists between religion and science, closing the massive gap that between faith and reason. The second is to revive the esoteric teachings at the core of every religion for an entirely new generation of spiritual seekers, practitioners, and church-goers. By bringing the transformative practices of contemplation, meditation, and prayer to the forefront of worship, we can begin tapping into a very real technology of liberation, offering an alternative to blind faith by allowing people to experience for themselves the effulgent divinity of the world, of our relationships, and of our own blessed hearts and minds. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "johnt" <johnlasher20002000@...> wrote: > > No one can explain what the shakti energy is yet but they certainly agree it > can be passed on through the process known as entrainment. There is some > early research that may indicate that shakti can be seen on kirlian > photography and others can be seen being entrained by it, but it's still > early in the process of understanding. > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu <noozguru@> wrote: > > > > I'm talking about shakti which is an energy. You should be experiencing > > it when you meditate. I can transfer that energy to someone else > > without saying a word, just by touching them. So explain that by NLP. > > You can't. They are going down the wrong road though they wouldn't be > > the first researchers to do that by any means. ;-) > > > > On 11/06/2011 06:56 PM, johnt wrote: > > > Then what is it saying. Be precise I value tradition in the sense that it > > > preserves elements that are life supporting, it doesn't tell me how it > > > works. That's what modern psychologists are only beginning to try and do > > > do. Vedic masters were masters of what's now becoming NLP, however people > > > just parroting what they heard doesn't show understanding. > > > > > > What exactly do YOU mean by "charged" > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu<noozguru@> wrote: > > >> Oh yes it does. Centuries of tantrics and yogis would argue with you on > > >> that. These guys you are talking about are blind men feeling an > > >> elephant. :-D > > >> > > >> On 11/06/2011 06:00 PM, johnt wrote: > > >>> "charge" is a nice ooga booga term that says nothing. It's only part of > > >>> philosophy not science unless you understand it in the sense of Rupert > > >>> sheldrake' morphic field, in which case your saying the same thing I am. > > >>> > > >>> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu<noozguru@> wrote: > > >>>> That's a wild ass theory trying to make the puja sound "scientific". > > >>>> What the puja actually does is "charge" the mantra. In other > > >>>> traditions > > >>>> you are given the mantra by someone who has enough juice to "charge" > > >>>> the > > >>>> mantra with shakti without the need for a puja. Reciting a 3-4 minute > > >>>> puja takes it place. It would have taken years to create even a small > > >>>> army of TM teachers the traditional way. The traditional way is what > > >>>> Muktananda used and his instructors gave shaktipat along with the > > >>>> mantra. It is also the way my tantra teacher has instructed me to > > >>>> teach > > >>>> people. > > >>>> > > >>>> On 11/05/2011 11:48 PM, Denise Evans wrote: > > >>>>> Sheeeeeeet. Is that what "brainwashing" is? > > >>>>> > > >>>>> > > >>>>> ________________________________ > > >>>>> From: johnt<johnlasher20002000@> > > >>>>> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com > > >>>>> Sent: Saturday, November 5, 2011 11:17 AM > > >>>>> Subject: [FairfieldLife] WHY TM CAN'T BE LEARNED FROM A BOOK > > >>>>> > > >>>>> > > >>>>> > > >>>>> Why TM can't be learned from a book > > >>>>> > > >>>>> A TM initiation alters the brainwave pattern of the one performing > > >>>>> the puja. When the teacher then passes on the mantra to the person > > >>>>> learning meditation he also passes on a brainwave state by a process > > >>>>> know in neurophysiology as entrainment. Brainwave entrainment or > > >>>>> "brainwave synchronization," is any practice that aims to cause > > >>>>> brainwave frequencies to fall into step with a periodic stimulus > > >>>>> having a frequency corresponding to the intended brain-state. This is > > >>>>> only one of the Neuro effects of a TM initiation which is a very well > > >>>>> crafted design of several which lead to a self transcending effect of > > >>>>> the mantra. > > >>>>> > > >>>>> > > >>>>> > > >>> > > > > > > > > >
