Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: What are the *benefits* of believing in God?

2014-04-22 Thread TurquoiseBee
From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2014 8:42 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: What are the *benefits* of believing in God?   Science ain't gonna find it. It's transcendent to the four known forces of nature,

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: What are the *benefits* of believing in God?

2014-04-22 Thread TurquoiseBee
From: TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2014 9:01 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: What are the *benefits* of believing in God?   From: salyavin808

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: What are the *benefits* of believing in God?

2014-04-22 Thread salyavin808
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2014 8:42 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: What are the *benefits* of believing in God? Science ain't gonna find it.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: What are the *benefits* of believing in God?

2014-04-22 Thread authfriend
Hey, Salyavin, you and I were talking about paranormal research in this exchange, remember? You brought God into it, not me. BTW, the light green type you're using now is so faint it's really hard to read. Please pick something darker. Again, speaking just for myself, I have no

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: What are the *benefits* of believing in God?

2014-04-22 Thread authfriend
Barry has always been...uh...metaphysically challlenged. ;-) Hey, Bar, metaphysical ultimacy isn't an argument, unprovable or otherwise. It's just a technical term. Relax. You mean unprovable arguments like metaphysical ultimacy? I'm sorry, but that strikes me as a made-up phrase

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: What are the *benefits* of believing in God?

2014-04-22 Thread salyavin808
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote : Hey, Salyavin, you and I were talking about paranormal research in this exchange, remember? You brought God into it, not me. Wait I see what you mean. Barry was commenting on the God debate situation, that's at an impasse. has

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: What are the *benefits* of believing in God?

2014-04-22 Thread salyavin808
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote : Hey, Salyavin, you and I were talking about paranormal research in this exchange, remember? You brought God into it, not me. I think God is quite paranormal and Ed Fess usually crops up these days. BTW, the light green

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: What are the *benefits* of believing in God?

2014-04-22 Thread authfriend
Me in blue... ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote : Hey, Salyavin, you and I were talking about paranormal research in this exchange, remember? You brought God into it, not me. I think God

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: What are the *benefits* of believing in God?

2014-04-22 Thread authfriend
Barry was taking a shot at me because he assumed I'd started the God argument in this exchange (not having read the whole thing, as usual). ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote : Hey, Salyavin,

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: What are the *benefits* of believing in God?

2014-04-22 Thread TurquoiseBee
From: authfri...@yahoo.com authfri...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2014 3:11 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: What are the *benefits* of believing in God?   Barry was taking a shot at me because he assumed I'd started the God argument in this

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: What are the *benefits* of believing in God?

2014-04-22 Thread Richard J. Williams
On 4/22/2014 7:57 AM, authfri...@yahoo.com wrote: Me in purple... This discussion group is getting so colorful! Why can't we just format like we used to? It's not complicated. All you have to do is put a right angle bracket in front of the quoted text, and place your reply underneath, then

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: What are the *benefits* of believing in God?

2014-04-22 Thread authfriend
Bar, you have NO IDEA how transparent your mind is. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : From: authfriend@... authfriend@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2014 3:11 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: What are the *benefits* of believing

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: What are the *benefits* of believing in God?

2014-04-22 Thread Richard J. Williams
On 4/22/2014 7:55 AM, salyavin808 wrote: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote : Hey, Salyavin, you and I were talking about paranormal research in this exchange, remember? You brought God into it, not me. I think God is quite paranormal and Ed Fess usually crops up

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: What are the *benefits* of believing in God?

2014-04-22 Thread awoelflebater
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2014 8:42 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: What are the *benefits* of believing in God? Science ain't gonna find it.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: What are the *benefits* of believing in God?

2014-04-22 Thread salyavin808
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote : Me in blue... ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : Seems that yahoo have changed the interface again, or is that only on my computer? Changed it how? Since when? Not sure what

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: What are the *benefits* of believing in God?

2014-04-22 Thread Share Long
salyavin, about that yahoo interface change: sorry to have to tell you, but yes, it is only on YOUR computer. Well and computers of the other atheists too (-: On Tuesday, April 22, 2014 7:55 AM, salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote:   ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: What are the *benefits* of believing in God?

2014-04-22 Thread salyavin808
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : salyavin, about that yahoo interface change: sorry to have to tell you, but yes, it is only on YOUR computer. Well and computers of the other atheists too (-: They must be trying it out on people who aren't scared of new

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: What are the *benefits* of believing in God?

2014-04-22 Thread Share Long
Yowza! good comeback, salyavin. Obviously no chemtrails or GMO fried pork rinds scrambling your brains (-: On Tuesday, April 22, 2014 9:35 AM, salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote:   ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : salyavin, about that yahoo

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: What are the *benefits* of believing in God?

2014-04-22 Thread awoelflebater
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : salyavin, about that yahoo interface change: sorry to have to tell you, but yes, it is only on YOUR computer. Well and computers of the other atheists too (-: On Tuesday, April 22, 2014 7:55 AM, salyavin808

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: What are the *benefits* of believing in God?

2014-04-22 Thread salyavin808
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Yowza! good comeback, salyavin. Obviously no chemtrails or GMO fried pork rinds scrambling your brains (-: Actually I feared you might find it insulting as it wasn't supposed to be! I just got back from the dentist and the

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: What are the *benefits* of believing in God?

2014-04-22 Thread TurquoiseBee
From: Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2014 4:21 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: What are the *benefits* of believing in God?   salyavin, about that yahoo interface change: sorry to have to tell

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: What are the *benefits* of believing in God?

2014-04-22 Thread TurquoiseBee
From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2014 4:35 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: What are the *benefits* of believing in God?   ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : salyavin, about that yahoo

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: What are the *benefits* of believing in God?

2014-04-22 Thread authfriend
Just out of curiosity, Barry, when have I tried to appear technical without having a clue? Let's have an example. You're pulling a Judy, Share, and trying to appear technical while having nary a clue.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: What are the *benefits* of believing in God?

2014-04-22 Thread Share Long
duh, turq, it was a joke! On Tuesday, April 22, 2014 11:22 AM, TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com wrote:   From: Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2014 4:21 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: What are

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: What are the *benefits* of believing in God?

2014-04-21 Thread nablusoss1008
Indeed. The Turq is the only known person here to have been a member of a cult, so his expertize in this field is quite valuable, if you are interested in that sort of thing. Having been part of a mass-hypnosis act is quite something for your life CV ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: What are the *benefits* of believing in God?

2014-04-21 Thread anartaxius
Nabby, all of as here have been members of a cult, or at least associated with one except among regular posters, Emily whose daughter had a brush with one. You yourself are associated with rather non-typical beliefs in general. It does not help to accuse one of being party to the same kind of

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: What are the *benefits* of believing in God?

2014-04-21 Thread Richard J. Williams
On 4/21/2014 9:16 AM, anartax...@yahoo.com wrote: Nabby, all of as here have been members of a cult, or at least associated with one It might be time to review the definition of cult, which is usually associated with coercion. Has anyone here been coerced, forced, or held captive, by a cult

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: What are the *benefits* of believing in God?

2014-04-21 Thread Share Long
salyavin, I agree when you say that love is measurable. But it wasn't always. Lots of stuff is measurable now that wasn't before. And some day, even more stuff that we can't measure now, will become measurable. Before, we only measured concrete, physical stuff. Now we're measuring less concrete

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: What are the *benefits* of believing in God?

2014-04-21 Thread nablusoss1008
Since you accuse me of being a cultmember I am looking forward to your definition of said. And you better come up with something better than mental entrapment. If not you better STFU. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anartaxius@... wrote : Nabby, all of as here have been members of a

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: What are the *benefits* of believing in God?

2014-04-21 Thread Michael Jackson
anyone who thinks the old fraud Marshy was a saint or Benjy Creme, also an old fraud who ripped off his Maitreya riff from CW Leadbeater, is schmoozing with avatars might be said to have a cultish sort of mind-set. You just seem to like anyone who claims to be superior, the greatest, beyond all

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: What are the *benefits* of believing in God?

2014-04-21 Thread anartaxius
I regard all early states of a religion as basically a cult, from the word meaning to culture, non-mainstream beliefs compared to what is usual for a locale. Mental entrapment does not necessarily mean one is forced to do another's bidding, as the human mind is greatly susceptible to its own

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: What are the *benefits* of believing in God?

2014-04-21 Thread authfriend
More comments below (in blue). ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote : Comments below... One reason I don't rule paranormal stuff out is that I'm not convinced science knows how to test for

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: What are the *benefits* of believing in God?

2014-04-20 Thread salyavin808
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : Sal wrote: A better question for you to ask would be, why doesn't it happen to everyone if reincarnation is a common occurrence? Why to so very few? Maybe for the same reason we often don't remember our dreams after

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: What are the *benefits* of believing in God?

2014-04-20 Thread TurquoiseBee
From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, April 20, 2014 8:26 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: What are the *benefits* of believing in God?   ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : Seems to me that knowledge of

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: What are the *benefits* of believing in God?

2014-04-20 Thread salyavin808
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, April 20, 2014 8:26 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: What are the *benefits* of believing in God? ---In

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: What are the *benefits* of believing in God?

2014-04-20 Thread TurquoiseBee
From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, April 20, 2014 1:24 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: What are the *benefits* of believing in God?   ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : Even though I happen to suspect

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: What are the *benefits* of believing in God?

2014-04-20 Thread anartaxius
Anything one pulls out of memory is past, is past life. Anything one does not remember is the same experience as if it were never there. What is the need to fine tune what 'sort' of memory it is? Life is now, though it is nice to remember now and then. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: What are the *benefits* of believing in God?

2014-04-20 Thread TurquoiseBee
Just to follow up, Salyavin, what would you feel constituted sure-fire proof of something like reincarnation, or siddhis being performed? I can speak to the latter somewhat, taking for example the siddhi of levitation. Video wouldn't do it, because 14-year-olds can hack video these days to

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: What are the *benefits* of believing in God?

2014-04-20 Thread Share Long
Xeno, I think and have experienced that the deep now is not limited to the surface now. I think it contains past and future and can be accessed depending on the clarity of one's nervous system, etc. On Sunday, April 20, 2014 7:06 AM, anartax...@yahoo.com anartax...@yahoo.com wrote:  

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: What are the *benefits* of believing in God?

2014-04-20 Thread anartaxius
Share, the surface and the depth are same, the mind conceptualises the depth, that is the illusion. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Xeno, I think and have experienced that the deep now is not limited to the surface now. I think it contains past and future and

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: What are the *benefits* of believing in God?

2014-04-20 Thread TurquoiseBee
From: Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, April 20, 2014 2:12 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: What are the *benefits* of believing in God?   Xeno, I think and have experienced that the deep now is not limited to

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: What are the *benefits* of believing in God?

2014-04-20 Thread steve.sundur
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : Sal wrote: A better question for you to ask would be, why doesn't it happen to everyone if reincarnation is a common occurrence? Why to so very few?

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: What are the *benefits* of believing in God?

2014-04-20 Thread authfriend
In the minds of a few on FFL, the only reason to defend a person (or group, or idea) that is being treated unfairly is that one fully supports that person (or group, or idea). Therefore, if one defends Maharishi or the TMO, one is ipso facto a cultist. If one defends theism, one is ipso facto a

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: What are the *benefits* of believing in God?

2014-04-20 Thread authfriend
Um, that would be ...on a Sunday morning. (But you can think about it on Monday morning too if you choose. ;-) ) Just something to think about on a Monday morning...

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: What are the *benefits* of believing in God?

2014-04-20 Thread steve.sundur
At this point, I am not sure if you are making a declaration about this don't try to sell me anything, or you are pleading, even begging people to not try to sell you anything. Because its sort of become your calling card, and you play it more as a wild card, when anyone says something not in

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: What are the *benefits* of believing in God?

2014-04-20 Thread awoelflebater
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, April 20, 2014 1:24 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: What are the *benefits* of believing in God? ---In

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: What are the *benefits* of believing in God?

2014-04-20 Thread awoelflebater
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anartaxius@... wrote : Anything one pulls out of memory is past, is past life. Anything one does not remember is the same experience as if it were never there. What is the need to fine tune what 'sort' of memory it is? Life is now, though it is nice to

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: What are the *benefits* of believing in God?

2014-04-20 Thread steve.sundur
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : Seems to me that knowledge of previous lives would be immensely useful, why do we forget it? Why do you think

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: What are the *benefits* of believing in God?

2014-04-20 Thread salyavin808
What sure-fire proof is all about for me regarding these reincarnation stories is simply making sure that the information the children hold cannot have been acquired any other way. If the Scottish boy was from a remote Hawaiian island with no TV I'd be more inclined to give his tale of life

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: What are the *benefits* of believing in God?

2014-04-20 Thread steve.sundur
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : Indeed. I simply cannot comprehend those who feel threatened when something challenges their beliefs. I've had things I had believed in blown out of the water so many times that I've actually come to enjoy it. Forget being

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: What are the *benefits* of believing in God?

2014-04-20 Thread steve.sundur
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anartaxius@... wrote : Anything one pulls out of memory is past, is past life. Anything one does not remember is the same experience as if it were never there. What is the need to fine tune what 'sort' of memory it is? Life is now, though it is nice to

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: What are the *benefits* of believing in God?

2014-04-20 Thread TurquoiseBee
My declaration is, essentially, What could *possibly* be dumber than arguing with people you've never met on the Internet? And the answer to this koan, of course, is, Arguing with people on the Internet about shit that can never *possibly* be resolved, such as belief in a God.  :-)

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: What are the *benefits* of believing in God?

2014-04-20 Thread salyavin808
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : Putting it in an evolutionary context,

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: What are the *benefits* of believing in God?

2014-04-20 Thread Michael Jackson
Did anyone ever run up to Rama and pass their hands underneath him when he was floating to make sure he wasn't tricking everyone in some fashion? On Sun, 4/20/14, TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com wrote: Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: What are the

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: What are the *benefits* of believing in God?

2014-04-20 Thread Michael Jackson
But if you ascribe to certain models of theoretical physics that postulate that all events in the universe (or universes) happen simultaneously then you are not talking about the past at all, and the idea that Big Shot Marshy always espoused past is a lesser state of evolution goes out a south

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: What are the *benefits* of believing in God?

2014-04-20 Thread steve.sundur
Well, as you know, there is an easy solution to both those things. But that still was pretty funny. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : My declaration is, essentially, What could *possibly* be dumber than arguing with people you've never met on the Internet? And the

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: What are the *benefits* of believing in God?

2014-04-20 Thread TurquoiseBee
From: Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, April 20, 2014 4:09 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: What are the *benefits* of believing in God?   Did anyone ever run up to Rama and pass their hands underneath him when he was floating to make

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: What are the *benefits* of believing in God?

2014-04-20 Thread authfriend
Excellent post, Salyavin. FWIW, this is what I mean when I say I don't rule something out: Can minds affect and influence each other at a distance? I still actually keep an open mind to it, but I don't believe it. Also: Regarding proof, I think it doesn't matter whether everyone

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: What are the *benefits* of believing in God?

2014-04-20 Thread steve.sundur
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : Putting it in an evolutionary context, the vast majority of people that ever lived were hunter gatherers. I think it would be highly useful to automatically know how to find water, how to avoid leopards etc. we are born

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: What are the *benefits* of believing in God?

2014-04-20 Thread authfriend
I once read about a study in which a large number of subjects (at least a thousand) were hypnotically regressed to past lives. Only a handful, apparently, remembered lives in identifiably historical times. The great majority recalled lives as brown-skinned people working in the fields. (A

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: What are the *benefits* of believing in God?

2014-04-20 Thread Richard J. Williams
On 4/20/2014 5:05 AM, TurquoiseBee wrote: Even though I happen to suspect that there may be something to the reincarnation thang, I see no need to provide proof of it because it's just a belief, and I don't much give a shit what others believe about my beliefs. So, Barry is a True Believer,

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: What are the *benefits* of believing in God?

2014-04-20 Thread awoelflebater
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : Did anyone ever run up to Rama and pass their hands underneath him when he was floating to make sure he wasn't tricking everyone in some fashion? I think we can safely assume that no one did that MJ. First of all, it would be

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: What are the *benefits* of believing in God?

2014-04-20 Thread Richard J. Williams
On 4/20/2014 6:32 AM, TurquoiseBee wrote: I always look for the ways in which things can't work but remain curious as it's one of those things that I'd take to be sure-fire proof that we don't know anything about what's going on here at all. And that would be cool indeed. Indeed. I simply

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: What are the *benefits* of believing in God?

2014-04-20 Thread Richard J. Williams
On 4/20/2014 7:06 AM, anartax...@yahoo.com wrote: Anything one pulls out of memory is past, is past life. Anything one does not remember is the same experience as if it were never there. What is the need to fine tune what 'sort' of memory it is? Life is now, though it is nice to remember now

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: What are the *benefits* of believing in God?

2014-04-20 Thread Share Long
turq, I find some parts of these discussions very enjoyable. If I make a point that makes sense to me, but then someone makes an opposite point that also makes sense to me, it's as if my brain stretches or something. That's quite wonderful actually even if the topic could never be resolved.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: What are the *benefits* of believing in God?

2014-04-20 Thread Share Long
What you say makes sense to me, Xeno. OTOH another way I could say it is that there are times when physically I feel more settled energy wise. That tends to be when I feel deep. On Sunday, April 20, 2014 7:38 AM, anartax...@yahoo.com anartax...@yahoo.com wrote:   Share, the surface and

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: What are the *benefits* of believing in God?

2014-04-20 Thread Richard J. Williams
On 4/20/2014 8:34 AM, awoelfleba...@yahoo.com wrote: Indeed. I simply cannot comprehend those who feel threatened when something challenges their beliefs. There are all sorts of people in the world who hang onto their beliefs, you included, but you always address your same old, same old

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: What are the *benefits* of believing in God?

2014-04-20 Thread Richard J. Williams
On 4/20/2014 8:37 AM, awoelfleba...@yahoo.com wrote: Anything one pulls out of memory is past, is past life. Anything one does not remember is the same experience as if it were never there. What is the need to fine tune what 'sort' of memory it is? Life is now, though it is nice to remember

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: What are the *benefits* of believing in God?

2014-04-20 Thread Share Long
salyavin, I think both believing in God, reincarnation, etc and not believing has the same benefit: making a person feel secure as they navigate through life. What's fascinating to me is that some people feel better believing in God and other people feel better not believing. When I really

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: What are the *benefits* of believing in God?

2014-04-20 Thread salyavin808
We all live in our own little worlds I think. To have the siddhi for actually experiencing someone elses worldview in it's entirety would be amazing I think. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : salyavin, I think both believing in God, reincarnation, etc and not

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: What are the *benefits* of believing in God?

2014-04-20 Thread salyavin808
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote : One reason I don't rule paranormal stuff out is that I'm not convinced science knows how to test for some of it. I could not possibly disagree more strongly with the notion that only what is measurable is real. Actually,

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: What are the *benefits* of believing in God?

2014-04-20 Thread authfriend
Comments below... One reason I don't rule paranormal stuff out is that I'm not convinced science knows how to test for some of it. I could not possibly disagree more strongly with the notion that only what is measurable is real. Actually, measuring (in the broadest sense) is the only

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: What are the *benefits* of believing in God?

2014-04-20 Thread salyavin808
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote : Comments below... One reason I don't rule paranormal stuff out is that I'm not convinced science knows how to test for some of it. I could not possibly disagree more strongly with the notion that only what is measurable

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: What are the *benefits* of believing in God?

2014-04-20 Thread Richard J. Williams
On 4/20/2014 9:09 AM, Michael Jackson wrote: Did anyone ever run up to Rama and pass their hands underneath him when he was floating to make sure he wasn't tricking everyone in some fashion? Apparently some people did attempt to do this, but they were kept off the stage by Barry, who was

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: What are the *benefits* of believing in God?

2014-04-20 Thread Richard J. Williams
On 4/20/2014 9:20 AM, TurquoiseBee wrote: Did anyone ever run up to Rama and pass their hands underneath him when he was floating to make sure he wasn't tricking everyone in some fashion? Not that I ever saw. According to what I've read, it was just pandemonium! Apparently it was very

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: What are the *benefits* of believing in God?

2014-04-20 Thread Richard J. Williams
On 4/20/2014 7:08 AM, TurquoiseBee wrote: I saw what I saw, and experienced what I felt. I can't go back from that, and pretend that I didn't. Or, you could just admit that you were in a trance-induction state and you had been hypnotized by a cult leader who brain-washed you into believing

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: What are the *benefits* of believing in God?

2014-04-20 Thread Richard J. Williams
On 4/20/2014 7:41 AM, TurquoiseBee wrote: Interestingly, I have no problem with this at all. That's what my waking-state flashbacks were like. To call them past life flashbacks is to do them a real disservice, because that's not what they were like at all. It was more as if I were viewing an

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: What are the *benefits* of believing in God?

2014-04-20 Thread Richard J. Williams
On 4/19/2014 11:57 PM, TurquoiseBee wrote: On 4/19/2014 6:09 PM, emilymae...@yahoo.com wrote: I just laugh at your obsession with using poor dead Fred as a baseball bat to hit Barry over the head with. Yes, it is funny - I use poor dead Fred as a baseball bat every time Barry uses poor dead

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: What are the *benefits* of believing in God?

2014-04-20 Thread Share Long
salyavin, I often think that each person is a whole entire universe and it's a miracle that those two universes can co-exist peacefully! And I think it would be amazing if we even experienced our own worldview in its entirety! I think for many of us, our worldview is not 100% conscious. On

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: What are the *benefits* of believing in God?

2014-04-19 Thread TurquoiseBee
From: steve.sun...@yahoo.com steve.sun...@yahoo.com ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : The concept of a God *complicates* things, rather than simplifying them.  That would be fine with me.  I am trying to go about understanding things, like most of us.  And for

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: What are the *benefits* of believing in God?

2014-04-19 Thread steve.sundur
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : With all due respect, Steve, you seem to have been infected with JudyRobinitis, and expect me to argue with you just because you want to argue. I posted what I had to say, you had the opportunity to post what you had to say in

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: What are the *benefits* of believing in God?

2014-04-19 Thread Richard J. Williams
On 4/18/2014 8:22 AM, TurquoiseBee wrote: For the record, I have no problem with some sort of fundamental energy that underlies the universe. What I take issue with is whether this energy structures the universe in the sense of either creating it or maintaining it, hands-on. I take issue with

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: What are the *benefits* of believing in God?

2014-04-19 Thread awoelflebater
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : From: steve.sundur@... steve.sundur@... ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : The concept of a God *complicates* things, rather than simplifying them. That would be fine with me. I am trying to go

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: What are the *benefits* of believing in God?

2014-04-19 Thread Richard J. Williams
On 4/19/2014 8:59 AM, awoelfleba...@yahoo.com wrote: You are a fossil, a stone, petrified. You stay the same, you do not move. He seems like that now, but keep in mind that Barry did a 180 after he got hurt by Judy over on Google Groups. You're talking about a guy that was once a cult

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: What are the *benefits* of believing in God?

2014-04-19 Thread Richard J. Williams
On 4/18/2014 8:04 PM, Michael Jackson wrote: That would be a grand experiment for the TMO to undertake. Look at the faith based beliefs in non-TM settings amongst non-TM groups and the same look is given to TM faith based activities and happenings. Lets see whose faith has the greatest

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: What are the *benefits* of believing in God?

2014-04-19 Thread Richard J. Williams
On 4/18/2014 9:43 PM, steve.sun...@yahoo.com wrote: To help me understand this, I'm asking the believers in God here to speak up and tell me what the BENEFITS of such a belief are. Because, it will help you understand karma and reincarnation and what it is that reincarnates and what reaps

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: What are the *benefits* of believing in God?

2014-04-19 Thread emilymaenot
Barry is scared of introspection. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : With all due respect, Steve, you seem to have been infected with JudyRobinitis, and expect me to argue with you just because you

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: What are the *benefits* of believing in God?

2014-04-19 Thread steve.sundur
And that is why I replied to Barry's request. But then I was accused of pestering him to reply to me. But yes Richard, that is the issue that I think atheists don't want to go near. They are better off staying in full denial, and passing off incidents that defy an easy explanation as

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: What are the *benefits* of believing in God?

2014-04-19 Thread salyavin808
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : And that is why I replied to Barry's request. But then I was accused of pestering him to reply to me. But yes Richard, that is the issue that I think atheists don't want to go near. They are better off staying in full

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: What are the *benefits* of believing in God?

2014-04-19 Thread steve.sundur
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : And that is why I replied to Barry's request. But then I was accused of pestering him to reply to me. But yes Richard, that is the issue that I think

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: What are the *benefits* of believing in God?

2014-04-19 Thread Richard J. Williams
On 4/19/2014 11:59 AM, salyavin808 wrote: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : And that is why I replied to Barry's request. But then I was accused of pestering him to reply to me. But yes Richard, that is the issue that I think atheists don't want to go near.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: What are the *benefits* of believing in God?

2014-04-19 Thread Richard J. Williams
On 4/19/2014 11:29 AM, steve.sun...@yahoo.com wrote: They are better off staying in full denial, and passing off incidents that defy an easy explanation as just some sort of weird coincidence. Barry posted that when Rama filled the whole lecture hall with golden light, that he wasn't all that

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: What are the *benefits* of believing in God?

2014-04-19 Thread salyavin808
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : And that is why I replied to Barry's request. But then I was accused of pestering him to

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: What are the *benefits* of believing in God?

2014-04-19 Thread Richard J. Williams
On 4/19/2014 12:46 PM, salyavin808 wrote: I'm all for getting scientific about things like this but they are extremely rare and so not easy to test. According to Barry, the Rama levitation event happened hundreds of times and thousands of people witnessed it, so it wasn't that rare. It

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: What are the *benefits* of believing in God?

2014-04-19 Thread emilymaenot
Re: Rama walked on air. He appeared to glide over the desert sands as if boards with rollers were attached to his legs. His legs appeared as light beams that formed triangles at the bottom. Richard, you are soo JELLOS! I know, deep down, you just wish you had seen this. Did you ever

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: What are the *benefits* of believing in God?

2014-04-19 Thread emilymaenot
Well, I certainly am glad that you have reduced the number of your special posts to just over a hundred last week - still topping the leader board though. No shit, Sherlock. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote : On 4/19/2014 11:29 AM, steve.sundur@...

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: What are the *benefits* of believing in God?

2014-04-19 Thread Richard J. Williams
If Barry didn't want to dance, why did he come to the dance party? On 4/19/2014 11:11 AM, emilymae...@yahoo.com wrote: Barry is scared of introspection. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : With all due

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: What are the *benefits* of believing in God?

2014-04-19 Thread Richard J. Williams
On 4/19/2014 1:07 PM, emilymae...@yahoo.com wrote: Well, I certainly am glad that you have reduced the number of your special posts to just over a hundred last week - still topping the leader board though. We've been pretty busy the last few weeks.. It's time consuming providing all the

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: What are the *benefits* of believing in God?

2014-04-19 Thread Richard J. Williams
On 4/19/2014 1:04 PM, emilymae...@yahoo.com wrote: Re: Rama walked on air. He appeared to glide over the desert sands as if boards with rollers were attached to his legs. His legs appeared as light beams that formed triangles at the bottom. Richard, you are soo JELLOS! Why should I

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: What are the *benefits* of believing in God?

2014-04-19 Thread Michael Jackson
Ahh, but the metaphysical answer is that if you were still cognizant of who and what you were in that last incarnation, you would still be enamored or obsessed with the places and people you were with then, so that would interfere with getting on with your current life.

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