--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradh...@... wrote:
On Aug 1, 2009, at 10:30 PM, It's just a ride wrote:
IMO Mindfullness meditation is a bit like the first Chopra
technique, the one where the mantra comes out of the heart
and then during lie down you feel the bliss in the
Well of course mindfulness of mantra or 'waiting for
the mantra' is a natural and important part of TM.
Judy wrote:
Goodness only knows where you came up with that.
Waiting for the mantra has never been a part of
the TM practice I was instructed in.
Oops, it looks like Vaj never
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_re...@... wrote:
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Long-term TMers on this forum have in the past tried
to describe this process (never having practiced it)
as unnatural, and cling to the idea that someday,
somehow TM alone will work out their anger and jealousy
and
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, WillyTex no_re...@... wrote:
Well of course mindfulness of mantra or 'waiting for
the mantra' is a natural and important part of TM.
Judy wrote:
Goodness only knows where you came up with that.
Waiting for the mantra has never been a part of
On Aug 1, 2009, at 11:37 PM, BillyG. wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jst...@... wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@ wrote:
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Well of course mindfulness of mantra or 'waiting for
the mantra' is a natural and important part of TM.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradh...@... wrote:
On Aug 1, 2009, at 11:37 PM, BillyG. wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@ wrote:
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Well of course mindfulness of mantra or
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradh...@... wrote:
On Aug 1, 2009, at 11:37 PM, BillyG. wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@ wrote:
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Well of course mindfulness of mantra or
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jst...@... wrote:
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Lawson's and my experience is that the mantra arises
automatically with the realization that we haven't
been thinking it; we discussed this awhile back at
some length.
Minor correction: As I recall, Lawson said it wasn't
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, BillyG. wg...@... wrote:
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I don't think MMY has ever, to my knowledge, used the
term, wait for the mantra in any context.
It's definitely not in the checking notes, not even
in paraphrase. The instructions are always to *start*
the mantra oneself
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, raunchydog raunchy...@... wrote:
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If Vaj did TM the way he describes and never got checked,
it's not surprising he stopped TM and started looking
around for something better.
But he claims to have been a TM *teacher*.
I don't have any disagreement
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, raunchydog raunchy...@...
Vaj is on a mission to prove not only is his way better but that TM is a
lousy and dangerous practice. Liar. Barry is on a mission to prove he
doesn't give a shit, while taking a daily dump on FFLife. Liar. For all the
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jst...@... wrote:
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The instruction
is to *start* the mantra volitionally *unless* it
starts on its own.
To be precise, the unless part is implied, not
explicit; and it comes up only in that one place
at the very beginning of checking in
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, raunchydog raunchy...@... wrote:
I understand where you're coming from, Shemp. In any organization, rigid
personalities seem to rise to the top in proportion to the amount of ass
kissing they can do. I'm sorry you have friends that have been so
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, BillyG. wg...@... wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@ wrote:
On Aug 1, 2009, at 11:37 PM, BillyG. wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj
On Aug 2, 2009, at 10:33 AM, BillyG. wrote:
And of course, the other aspect of mindfulness in TM is
remembering to
come back to the mantra when you get lost in thoughts. If you have
no
mindfulness, you'd sit there lost in thoughts your entire session.
There was actually one person on
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradh...@... wrote:
On Aug 2, 2009, at 10:33 AM, BillyG. wrote:
And of course, the other aspect of mindfulness in TM is
remembering to
come back to the mantra when you get lost in thoughts. If you have
no
mindfulness, you'd sit
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, raunchydog raunchy...@... wrote:
Vaj and Barry are arrogant bullies. Vaj, the great pretender, thinks he's
doing us a favor tromping on all the plants in the garden patch, and layering
it so thick with artificial manure, only thorns remain. Barry, a
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradh...@... wrote:
On Aug 2, 2009, at 10:33 AM, BillyG. wrote:
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I don't think MMY has ever, to my knowledge, used the
term, wait for the mantra in any context.
Not sure what his exact words were. The point is it's
a process called
Yes TurquoiseB, I would have to say A-um to that, for that is what happened. It
was quite a mystery. I mean, it was Maharishi's whole thing that TM did not
need any adjuncts, nothing extra to gain the benefits of any other system of
practice or philosophy. Then it was a whole turnabout and it
Barry is, of course, completely correct in his analysis below.
As I've written here many times, the change of course that MMY took was what
was responsible for the death of the TM Movement...AND IT CONTINUES TO THIS DAY.
And I remember that, ironically, it was Charlie Lutes who warned MMY (I'm
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcg...@... wrote:
Barry is, of course, completely correct in his analysis below.
As I've written here many times, the change of course that MMY took was what
was responsible for the death of the TM Movement...AND IT CONTINUES TO THIS
I tend to agree with you Shemp and would be interested
in reading the arch of your involvement in the TMO. I
believe you have mentioned your TTC several times.
Did you then teach full-time? Did you take the Sidhis
course? One of the early ones? If so, did you practice
them for a long period of
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, satvadude108 no_re...@... wrote:
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I tell yas these rambling tales Shemp just to show you
I am interested in hearing your TMSP experiences and what
led you to distance yourself from the Movement. Hearing
it from someone still satisfied with their
On Aug 1, 2009, at 12:55 PM, shempmcgurk wrote:
Barry is, of course, completely correct in his analysis below.
As I've written here many times, the change of course that MMY took
was what was responsible for the death of the TM Movement...AND IT
CONTINUES TO THIS DAY.
And I remember
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradh...@... wrote:
On Aug 1, 2009, at 12:55 PM, shempmcgurk wrote:
Barry is, of course, completely correct in his analysis below.
As I've written here many times, the change of course that MMY took
was what was responsible for the death
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradh...@... wrote:
On Aug 1, 2009, at 8:05 PM, shempmcgurk wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@ wrote:
On Aug 1, 2009, at 12:55 PM, shempmcgurk wrote:
Barry is, of course, completely correct in his
On Aug 1, 2009, at 9:37 PM, shempmcgurk wrote:
Which brainwashing, specifically, are you referring to, Vaj?
The core ideas and ideals that were unique to the TM Org and were
inculcated at MIU; those which constitute the core of the TM
cultus. I
was not being specific. Was there some
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradh...@... wrote:
On Aug 1, 2009, at 9:37 PM, shempmcgurk wrote:
Which brainwashing, specifically, are you referring to, Vaj?
The core ideas and ideals that were unique to the TM Org and were
inculcated at MIU; those which constitute
On Sat, Aug 1, 2009 at 3:11 PM, satvadude108no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote:
When I took instruction in Mindfullness meditation in '07
I arbitrarily decided to discontinue my TM. The seeds of
the old brainwashing still have some life I guess. A few
months ago, about a year after Mindfullness
On Aug 1, 2009, at 10:14 PM, shempmcgurk wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradh...@... wrote:
On Aug 1, 2009, at 9:37 PM, shempmcgurk wrote:
Which brainwashing, specifically, are you referring to, Vaj?
The core ideas and ideals that were unique to the TM Org and
On Aug 1, 2009, at 10:30 PM, It's just a ride wrote:
On Sat, Aug 1, 2009 at 3:11 PM,
satvadude108no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote:
When I took instruction in Mindfullness meditation in '07
I arbitrarily decided to discontinue my TM. The seeds of
the old brainwashing still have some life I
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradh...@... wrote:
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Well of course mindfulness of mantra or 'waiting for
the mantra' is a natural and important part of TM.
Goodness only knows where you came up with that.
Waiting for the mantra has never been a part of
the TM practice I was
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jst...@... wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@ wrote:
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Well of course mindfulness of mantra or 'waiting for
the mantra' is a natural and important part of TM.
Goodness only knows where you came up with that.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, BillyG. wg...@... wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@ wrote:
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Well of course mindfulness of mantra or 'waiting for
the mantra' is a natural and important
I understand where you're coming from, Shemp. In any organization, rigid
personalities seem to rise to the top in proportion to the amount of ass
kissing they can do. I'm sorry you have friends that have been so inconsiderate
of you. You would think they would be happy you enjoy TM. Assholes.
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