Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: car older than 2012? Don't use E15 gas...
It's good, Richard. I think it's a conspiracy to help us relinquish the need for certainty (-: On Thursday, December 12, 2013 11:13 PM, Richard Williams pundits...@gmail.com wrote: We can't even trust Snopes to tell us the truth anymore. Go figure. On Thu, Dec 12, 2013 at 6:42 AM, Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com wrote: Richard, yesterday I filled up the tank. I use 87 since that is what it says to use in the owner's manual. But 87 says it has ethanol in it! Now, this is what I call a real life zen koan because basically I have to surrender. I have to take action and leave the rest up to Life, Universe, God, Whatever! On Thursday, December 12, 2013 6:27 AM, Richard Williams pundits...@gmail.com wrote: It's really a moot point since there are probably zero E15 pumps in all of Iowa. And, I don't need no Snopes in order to understand the oil business - my family has been in the oil business for twenty years and Dad still works for Ridge Oil up near Graham. The use of ethanol in automobiles lowers fuel economy because is has a lower energy content. Ethanol creates more smog than gasoline and it is more expensive to produce and the production of ethanol increases global warming emissions. The only beneficiaries of ethanol use are repair garages. The cost to replace a fuel pump on your car could exceed $1000. The use of ethanol is in decline and the industry is going bankrupt. The only reason for ethanol use is by a government mandate. It's just an outrageous scam by the federal government. The U.S. is 70% to being fuel and energy independent, thanks to the oil production at the Bakken and Eagle Ford Shale. Most of U.S. oil imports come from Canada anyway. The bottom line is, unless you drive a Flex-fuel auto, avoid the uses of ethanol gasoline if you can. Before you pump, read the label on the pump! On Tue, Dec 10, 2013 at 1:17 PM, authfri...@yahoo.com wrote: So you watch Fox News, eh? That could explain a great deal. BTW, before freaking out over E15 gas, read this from Snopes.com: http://www.snopes.com/politics/gasoline/e15.asp Snopes's verdict is Mixed--parts of the E15 scare story are true, parts aren't. Share warned: in case you don't already know about it: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ceW9Nc1hVHU
[FairfieldLife] Re: car older than 2012? Don't use E15 gas...
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long wrote: It's good, Richard. I think it's a conspiracy to help us relinquish the need for certainty (-: And thus a good thing. If there is any human quality that epitomizes the *lowest* possible survival skill, the trait that's pretty much *guaranteed* to make you a recipient of the Darwin Awards, it's certainty. :-)
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: car older than 2012? Don't use E15 gas...
yep, turq, life is definitely a benign conspiracy to help us get how uncertain certainty is (-: On Friday, December 13, 2013 6:44 AM, TurquoiseB turquoi...@yahoo.com wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long wrote: It's good, Richard. I think it's a conspiracy to help us relinquish the need for certainty (-: And thus a good thing. If there is any human quality that epitomizes the *lowest* possible survival skill, the trait that's pretty much *guaranteed* to make you a recipient of the Darwin Awards, it's certainty. :-)
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: car older than 2012? Don't use E15 gas...
It's a conspiracy by the federal government and political operatives like Al Gore to screw the public in order to prevent another green company bankruptcy. Judy tried to denigrate Share and the Fox news segment based on her political ideology and personal animosity toward Share. Then Judy tried to send us to Snope's to read a mixed review. Judy has a problem with telling the truth. Instead of feeding us junk science she should have just reported the truth about ethanol. She fibbed and got caught and now she's in denial mode, and everyone knows it. Judy's mis-direction could have caused some car owners hundreds of dollars in repairs and been cause for their car warranty being dishonered. She should be reported to the group owner for posting fibs and mis-information. The truth is the use of ethanol in automobiles lowers fuel economy because is has a lower energy content. Ethanol creates more smog than gasoline and it is more expensive to produce and the production of ethanol increases global warming emissions. The only beneficiaries of ethanol use are repair garages. The real reason for ethanol use is by a government mandate. It's just an outrageous scam by the federal government and now Judy is a co-spirator to the scam by not being totally truthful. Maybe Judy should just keep her pie hole shut about stuff she doesn't know anything about and instead of ankle-biting Share at every message she sends, just stick to subjects she is willing to be truthful about. Obviously Judy can't be trusted anymore, and I'm beginning to think there are lot's of other subjects where her information is also suspect. Go figure. On 12/13/2013 6:44 AM, TurquoiseB wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long wrote: It's good, Richard. I think it's a conspiracy to help us relinquish the need for certainty (-: */And thus a good thing. If there is any human quality that epitomizes the *lowest* possible survival skill, the trait that's pretty much *guaranteed* to make you a recipient of the Darwin Awards, it's certainty. :-) /*
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: car older than 2012? Don't use E15 gas...
The truth about ethanol is that it is a by product of corn production that was considered just waste. So it's about the money. Same with fluoride which doesn't need to be in our water and may be making us fat and dumb. A waste product of aluminum production, Some cities are beginning to get rid of it much to Alcoa's chagrin. Don't tell your city council that though. They probably love the perks they get from Alcoa. A local friend worked on the global warming project at Livermore Labs which was headed by a scientist who worked on the Manhattan Project. He said the press were always bugging them about whether global warming was real or not and to tell the truth there was no conclusive evidence. He has told me one thing they learned is you can never tell what clouds are going to do. That's why you can have a forecast for rain but the clouds don't produce or even show up. The term has been changed from global warming to climate change because folks don't understand how the melting ice caps can produce colder weather. HOWEVER, the Sun has been going through a low period of inactivity and the last time this happened the earth had a mini ice age. We were supposed to get warmer weather this part of the week. Not yet. This unpredictableness may make scientists look as lame as the climate change deniers. This also means that those Pentagon warnings about an ice age for the northern hemisphere that I reported here several years ago are proving to be true. On 12/13/2013 06:02 AM, Richard J. Williams wrote: It's a conspiracy by the federal government and political operatives like Al Gore to screw the public in order to prevent another green company bankruptcy. Judy tried to denigrate Share and the Fox news segment based on her political ideology and personal animosity toward Share. Then Judy tried to send us to Snope's to read a mixed review. Judy has a problem with telling the truth. Instead of feeding us junk science she should have just reported the truth about ethanol. She fibbed and got caught and now she's in denial mode, and everyone knows it. Judy's mis-direction could have caused some car owners hundreds of dollars in repairs and been cause for their car warranty being dishonered. She should be reported to the group owner for posting fibs and mis-information. The truth is the use of ethanol in automobiles lowers fuel economy because is has a lower energy content. Ethanol creates more smog than gasoline and it is more expensive to produce and the production of ethanol increases global warming emissions. The only beneficiaries of ethanol use are repair garages. The real reason for ethanol use is by a government mandate. It's just an outrageous scam by the federal government and now Judy is a co-spirator to the scam by not being totally truthful. Maybe Judy should just keep her pie hole shut about stuff she doesn't know anything about and instead of ankle-biting Share at every message she sends, just stick to subjects she is willing to be truthful about. Obviously Judy can't be trusted anymore, and I'm beginning to think there are lot's of other subjects where her information is also suspect. Go figure. On 12/13/2013 6:44 AM, TurquoiseB wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long wrote: It's good, Richard. I think it's a conspiracy to help us relinquish the need for certainty (-: */And thus a good thing. If there is any human quality that epitomizes the *lowest* possible survival skill, the trait that's pretty much *guaranteed* to make you a recipient of the Darwin Awards, it's certainty. :-) /*
Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: car older than 2012? Don't use E15 gas...
Useful article, Richard, thanks for posting. Hope you and Rita have a good weekend. On Friday, December 13, 2013 7:18 PM, Richard J. Williams pundits...@gmail.com wrote: On 12/13/2013 1:29 PM, authfri...@yahoo.com wrote: This is all trolling, stuff Richard made up. If anyone here (except Xeno) takes Richard seriously enough to want a detailed refutation, let me know.You can pretty much tell when Judy has been caught in a big mistake - that's when she whips out her macro key to try to cover up her fibbing. 'Can E15 Gasoline Really Damage Your Engine?' Popular Mechanics: http://www.popularmechanics.com/cars/alternative-fuel/
Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: car older than 2012? Don't use E15 gas...
It's really a moot point since there are probably zero E15 pumps in all of Iowa. And, I don't need no Snopes in order to understand the oil business - my family has been in the oil business for twenty years and Dad still works for Ridge Oil up near Graham. The use of ethanol in automobiles lowers fuel economy because is has a lower energy content. Ethanol creates more smog than gasoline and it is more expensive to produce and the production of ethanol increases global warming emissions. The only beneficiaries of ethanol use are repair garages. The cost to replace a fuel pump on your car could exceed $1000. The use of ethanol is in decline and the industry is going bankrupt. The only reason for ethanol use is by a government mandate. It's just an outrageous scam by the federal government. The U.S. is 70% to being fuel and energy independent, thanks to the oil production at the Bakken and Eagle Ford Shale. Most of U.S. oil imports come from Canada anyway. The bottom line is, unless you drive a Flex-fuel auto, avoid the uses of ethanol gasoline if you can. Before you pump, read the label on the pump! On Tue, Dec 10, 2013 at 1:17 PM, authfri...@yahoo.com wrote: So you watch Fox News, eh? That could explain a great deal. BTW, before freaking out over E15 gas, read this from Snopes.com: http://www.snopes.com/politics/gasoline/e15.asp Snopes's verdict is Mixed--parts of the E15 scare story are true, parts aren't. Share warned: in case you don't already know about it: *http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ceW9Nc1hVHU http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ceW9Nc1hVHU*
Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: car older than 2012? Don't use E15 gas...
Richard, yesterday I filled up the tank. I use 87 since that is what it says to use in the owner's manual. But 87 says it has ethanol in it! Now, this is what I call a real life zen koan because basically I have to surrender. I have to take action and leave the rest up to Life, Universe, God, Whatever! On Thursday, December 12, 2013 6:27 AM, Richard Williams pundits...@gmail.com wrote: It's really a moot point since there are probably zero E15 pumps in all of Iowa. And, I don't need no Snopes in order to understand the oil business - my family has been in the oil business for twenty years and Dad still works for Ridge Oil up near Graham. The use of ethanol in automobiles lowers fuel economy because is has a lower energy content. Ethanol creates more smog than gasoline and it is more expensive to produce and the production of ethanol increases global warming emissions. The only beneficiaries of ethanol use are repair garages. The cost to replace a fuel pump on your car could exceed $1000. The use of ethanol is in decline and the industry is going bankrupt. The only reason for ethanol use is by a government mandate. It's just an outrageous scam by the federal government. The U.S. is 70% to being fuel and energy independent, thanks to the oil production at the Bakken and Eagle Ford Shale. Most of U.S. oil imports come from Canada anyway. The bottom line is, unless you drive a Flex-fuel auto, avoid the uses of ethanol gasoline if you can. Before you pump, read the label on the pump! On Tue, Dec 10, 2013 at 1:17 PM, authfri...@yahoo.com wrote: So you watch Fox News, eh? That could explain a great deal. BTW, before freaking out over E15 gas, read this from Snopes.com: http://www.snopes.com/politics/gasoline/e15.asp Snopes's verdict is Mixed--parts of the E15 scare story are true, parts aren't. Share warned: in case you don't already know about it: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ceW9Nc1hVHU
Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: car older than 2012? Don't use E15 gas...
We can't even trust Snopes to tell us the truth anymore. Go figure. On Thu, Dec 12, 2013 at 6:42 AM, Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com wrote: Richard, yesterday I filled up the tank. I use 87 since that is what it says to use in the owner's manual. But 87 says it has ethanol in it! Now, this is what I call a real life zen koan because basically I have to surrender. I have to take action and leave the rest up to Life, Universe, God, Whatever! On Thursday, December 12, 2013 6:27 AM, Richard Williams pundits...@gmail.com wrote: It's really a moot point since there are probably zero E15 pumps in all of Iowa. And, I don't need no Snopes in order to understand the oil business - my family has been in the oil business for twenty years and Dad still works for Ridge Oil up near Graham. The use of ethanol in automobiles lowers fuel economy because is has a lower energy content. Ethanol creates more smog than gasoline and it is more expensive to produce and the production of ethanol increases global warming emissions. The only beneficiaries of ethanol use are repair garages. The cost to replace a fuel pump on your car could exceed $1000. The use of ethanol is in decline and the industry is going bankrupt. The only reason for ethanol use is by a government mandate. It's just an outrageous scam by the federal government. The U.S. is 70% to being fuel and energy independent, thanks to the oil production at the Bakken and Eagle Ford Shale. Most of U.S. oil imports come from Canada anyway. The bottom line is, unless you drive a Flex-fuel auto, avoid the uses of ethanol gasoline if you can. Before you pump, read the label on the pump! On Tue, Dec 10, 2013 at 1:17 PM, authfri...@yahoo.com wrote: So you watch Fox News, eh? That could explain a great deal. BTW, before freaking out over E15 gas, read this from Snopes.com: http://www.snopes.com/politics/gasoline/e15.asp Snopes's verdict is Mixed--parts of the E15 scare story are true, parts aren't. Share warned: in case you don't already know about it: *http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ceW9Nc1hVHU http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ceW9Nc1hVHU*
Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: car older than 2012? Don't use E15 gas...
Well I find AAA way more trustworthy than EPA. YMMV. Especially if you use E15 ha ha! On Tuesday, December 10, 2013 6:39 PM, authfri...@yahoo.com authfri...@yahoo.com wrote: Snopes.com gives a fairly detailed presentation of the dispute, both the EPA's side and the AAA's side. It isn't clear where the 2012 date came from, but it's been in the viral scare emails that have been circulating (possibly a matter of confusion with the date the EPA approved E15, which was 2012?). Seems unlikely that if, as the AAA claims, E15 is harmful to cars made after 2001, it wouldn't also be harmful to cars made after 2012. (It's not a matter of post-2012 cars being Flex-Fuel--GM has been making Flex-Fuel vehicles since 2008.) Bhairitu wrote: A little more recent info on the situation: http://www.rubbernews.com/article/20131205/NEWS/131209962/epa-to-lower-ethanol-blended-in-gasoline It's so funny though that the air head reporter on FOX said 2012. It's on their slides as 2012 as well, FWIW. It's vehicles before 2001. Which might be a problem with my 1998 Forester. Well, green groups can just give me a loan for a new hybrid at a $1 down and a $1 a month. But it looks like E15 is not going to happen here in California. On 12/10/2013 11:40 AM, Share Long wrote: Refuting Judy's sneaky lie: I don't watch Fox or any news. I don't have TV. As for snopes, I'll go with what AAA said about E15. YMMV... On Tuesday, December 10, 2013 1:17 PM, authfriend@... authfriend@... wrote: So you watch Fox News, eh? That could explain a great deal. BTW, before freaking out over E15 gas, read this from Snopes.com: http://www.snopes.com/politics/gasoline/e15.asp Snopes's verdict is Mixed--parts of the E15 scare story are true, parts aren't. Share warned: in case you don't already know about it: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ceW9Nc1hVHU
Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: car older than 2012? Don't use E15 gas...
You've got to understand, Share, that you're dialoging with a gal that doesn't own a motor vehicle and probably never has or even knows how to operate one. Go figure. The E15 fuel contains contains 15% ethanol and 85% gasoline. Conventional internal combustion engines restricts the use of ethenol to low mixtures because ethanol is corrosive and can cause a degradation in the materials in the engine and in the fuel system. But, some engines can be adjusted for a higher compression ratio and to allow for an improved fuel efficiency and for a reduction in the tailpipe emissions. The EPA allows up to 15% of ethanol to be blended with gasoline in vehicles 2007or later. The EPA now allows the use of 15% to be used in vehicles 2001 to 2006 for passenger cars in the U.S. But, the EPA says that this ratio is not suitable for motorcycles or heavy-duty trucks. Here is how you can tell if your vehicle is a Flexible Fuel Vehicle (FFV): http://e85.whipnet.net/flex.cars/ On 12/11/2013 6:38 AM, Share Long wrote: Well I find AAA way more trustworthy than EPA. YMMV. Especially if you use E15 ha ha! On Tuesday, December 10, 2013 6:39 PM, authfri...@yahoo.com authfri...@yahoo.com wrote: *Snopes.com gives a fairly detailed presentation of the dispute, both the EPA's side and the AAA's side.* * * *It isn't clear where the 2012 date came from, but it's been in the viral scare emails that have been circulating (possibly a matter of confusion with the date the EPA approved E15, which was 2012?). Seems unlikely that if, as the AAA claims, E15 is harmful to cars made after 2001, it wouldn't also be harmful to cars made after 2012. (It's not a matter of post-2012 cars being Flex-Fuel--GM has been making Flex-Fuel vehicles since 2008.)* * * *Bhairitu wrote:* A little more recent info on the situation: http://www.rubbernews.com/article/20131205/NEWS/131209962/epa-to-lower-ethanol-blended-in-gasoline It's so funny though that the air head reporter on FOX said 2012. *It's on their slides as 2012 as well, FWIW.* It's vehicles before 2001. Which might be a problem with my 1998 Forester. Well, green groups can just give me a loan for a new hybrid at a $1 down and a $1 a month. But it looks like E15 is not going to happen here in California. On 12/10/2013 11:40 AM, Share Long wrote: Refuting Judy's sneaky lie: I don't watch Fox or any news. I don't have TV. As for snopes, I'll go with what AAA said about E15. YMMV... On Tuesday, December 10, 2013 1:17 PM, authfriend@... mailto:authfriend@... authfriend@... mailto:authfriend@... wrote: So you watch Fox News, eh? That could explain a great deal. BTW, before freaking out over E15 gas, read this from Snopes.com: http://www.snopes.com/politics/gasoline/e15.asp Snopes's verdict is Mixed--parts of the E15 scare story are true, parts aren't. Share warned: in case you don't already know about it: *http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ceW9Nc1hVHU http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ceW9Nc1hVHU** *
Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: car older than 2012? Don't use E15 gas...
Richard, I really like Snopes but you're right. I'd trust my owner's manual more. Now if only I would sit down and read it! On Wednesday, December 11, 2013 10:12 AM, Richard J. Williams pundits...@gmail.com wrote: Share would probably believe her Honda Civic owner's manual before she would believe anything Snope's has to say about her vehicle. Certainly, she wouldn't believe anything you have to say about any vehicle, since you probably don't even have a driver's license or know how to drive a car, truck, bus, or even a Vespa scooter. Go figure. On 12/11/2013 9:37 AM, authfri...@yahoo.com wrote: ROTFL. Obviously, Share hasn't read what Snopes has to say. http://www.snopes.com/politics/gasoline/e15.asp It didn't occur to her to wonder where I got the information I put in my post about the warranties. Share shoots herself in the foot, again: Hey, Richard, thanks for the link. I purchased my Honda Civic in Feb 2006 so I'll be avoiding E15, thank you very much! Also, Honda was one of the car makers listed as not honoring warranties if one uses E15! All glory to Snopes LOL.
Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: car older than 2012? Don't use E15 gas...
Refuting Judy's sneaky lie: I don't watch Fox or any news. I don't have TV. As for snopes, I'll go with what AAA said about E15. YMMV... On Tuesday, December 10, 2013 1:17 PM, authfri...@yahoo.com authfri...@yahoo.com wrote: So you watch Fox News, eh? That could explain a great deal. BTW, before freaking out over E15 gas, read this from Snopes.com: http://www.snopes.com/politics/gasoline/e15.asp Snopes's verdict is Mixed--parts of the E15 scare story are true, parts aren't. Share warned: in case you don't already know about it: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ceW9Nc1hVHU
Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: car older than 2012? Don't use E15 gas...
A little more recent info on the situation: http://www.rubbernews.com/article/20131205/NEWS/131209962/epa-to-lower-ethanol-blended-in-gasoline It's so funny though that the air head reporter on FOX said 2012. It's vehicles before 2001. Which might be a problem with my 1998 Forester. Well, green groups can just give me a loan for a new hybrid at a $1 down and a $1 a month. But it looks like E15 is not going to happen here in California. On 12/10/2013 11:40 AM, Share Long wrote: Refuting Judy's sneaky lie: I don't watch Fox or any news. I don't have TV. As for snopes, I'll go with what AAA said about E15. YMMV... On Tuesday, December 10, 2013 1:17 PM, authfri...@yahoo.com authfri...@yahoo.com wrote: So you watch Fox News, eh? That could explain a great deal. BTW, before freaking out over E15 gas, read this from Snopes.com: http://www.snopes.com/politics/gasoline/e15.asp Snopes's verdict is Mixed--parts of the E15 scare story are true, parts aren't. Share warned: in case you don't already know about it: *http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ceW9Nc1hVHU http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ceW9Nc1hVHU** *
