Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: my best TM theory exposition yet, I think

2012-04-11 Thread Vaj
On Apr 10, 2012, at 7:47 PM, wgm4u wrote: Lyou said that was your 'old' Guru, is MMY your old guru?, sorry if I misunderstood??. Though I understand the idea of CC being not the final or ultimate state of realization, I certainly wouldn't describe it as 'glorified ignorance' though

[FairfieldLife] Re: my best TM theory exposition yet, I think

2012-04-11 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@... wrote: On Apr 10, 2012, at 7:47 PM, wgm4u wrote: Lyou said that was your 'old' Guru, is MMY your old guru?, sorry if I misunderstood??. Though I understand the idea of CC being not the final or ultimate state of

[FairfieldLife] Re: my best TM theory exposition yet, I think

2012-04-11 Thread sparaig
Glorified Ignorance is Maharishi Mahesh Yogi's alternate term for Cosmic Consciousness. And I referred to him as my old guru in reddit.com because 1) trying to be precise about MMY's relationship (or lack thereof) with me would detract from what I was try to say and 2) it's close enough for

[FairfieldLife] Re: my best TM theory exposition yet, I think

2012-04-11 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@... wrote: On Apr 10, 2012, at 7:47 PM, wgm4u wrote: Lyou said that was your 'old' Guru, is MMY your old guru?, sorry if I misunderstood??. Though I understand the idea of CC being not the final or ultimate state of

[FairfieldLife] Re: my best TM theory exposition yet, I think

2012-04-11 Thread Duveyoung
Vaj, Have you done the necessary work to have clarity about Advaita such that you can definitively say that it lacks the axiomatic depth of your form of Buddhism? It took me three years of reading about Advaita before I really thought I had intellectual grasp of its most subtle constructs.

[FairfieldLife] Re: my best TM theory exposition yet, I think

2012-04-11 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wgm4u no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig LEnglish5@ wrote: http://www.reddit.com/r/Meditation/comments/s2dza/a_question_about_meditation_and_dissociation/c4ao4ku Sometimes I wax too poetic in too long-winded a

[FairfieldLife] Re: my best TM theory exposition yet, I think

2012-04-11 Thread Richard J. Williams
Duveyoung: Vaj Have you done the necessary work to have clarity about Advaita such that you can definitively say that it lacks the axiomatic depth of your form of Buddhism? Traditional Advaita, as taught by the Adi Shankaracharya, has sadhana requirements. Not everyone will be accepted

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: my best TM theory exposition yet, I think

2012-04-11 Thread Vaj
On Apr 11, 2012, at 10:45 AM, Duveyoung wrote: Have you done the necessary work to have clarity about Advaita such that you can definitively say that it lacks the axiomatic depth of your form of Buddhism? It took me three years of reading about Advaita before I really thought I had

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: my best TM theory exposition yet, I think

2012-04-11 Thread Emily Reyn
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2012 8:29 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: my best TM theory exposition yet, I think Duveyoung: Vaj Have you done the necessary work to have clarity about Advaita such that you can definitively say that it lacks the axiomatic

[FairfieldLife] Re: my best TM theory exposition yet, I think

2012-04-11 Thread sparaig
An interesting thing about Shankara's take on the average joe on the street: MMY's assertion is that householders should use bija mantras isntead of OM. Many people claim that this is a no-no, but it is, in fact, exactly what Shankara said when you take it in the context of the Yoga Sutras'

[FairfieldLife] Re: my best TM theory exposition yet, I think

2012-04-11 Thread turquoiseb
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@... wrote: On Apr 11, 2012, at 10:45 AM, Duveyoung wrote: Have you done the necessary work to have clarity about Advaita such that you can definitively say that it lacks the axiomatic depth of your form of Buddhism? It took me three

[FairfieldLife] Re: my best TM theory exposition yet, I think

2012-04-11 Thread turquoiseb
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Emily Reyn emilymae.reyn@... wrote: Doesn't this all boil down to: 1) It's all subjective (i.e. perceptions) - distinction of subject and object is withinconciousness. 2) It's all One - ...the Absolute which is the unity underlying phenomena... Yes

[FairfieldLife] Re: my best TM theory exposition yet, I think

2012-04-11 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Emily Reyn emilymae.reyn@ wrote: Doesn't this all boil down to: 1) It's all subjective (i.e. perceptions) - distinction of subject and object is withinconciousness. 2)

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: my best TM theory exposition yet, I think

2012-04-11 Thread Vaj
On Apr 11, 2012, at 12:01 PM, sparaig wrote: An interesting thing about Shankara's take on the average joe on the street: MMY's assertion is that householders should use bija mantras isntead of OM. Many people claim that this is a no-no, but it is, in fact, exactly what Shankara said

[FairfieldLife] Re: my best TM theory exposition yet, I think

2012-04-11 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@... wrote: On Apr 11, 2012, at 12:01 PM, sparaig wrote: An interesting thing about Shankara's take on the average joe on the street: MMY's assertion is that householders should use bija mantras isntead of OM. Many

[FairfieldLife] Re: my best TM theory exposition yet, I think

2012-04-11 Thread Richard J. Williams
I see the Advaita Vedanta of Shankara as largely a Vedic purist reaction to the teaching of Nagarjuna, the Buddhist polymath and tantric master. turquoiseb: I'm chiming in just to say that Vaj's statement here should potentially be no more inflammatory than... You're not even

[FairfieldLife] Re: my best TM theory exposition yet, I think

2012-04-10 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig LEnglish5@... wrote: http://www.reddit.com/r/Meditation/comments/s2dza/a_question_about_meditation_and_dissociation/c4ao4ku Sometimes I wax too poetic in too long-winded a way, but I'm proud of this one. Feel free to flame in the original thread

[FairfieldLife] Re: my best TM theory exposition yet, I think

2012-04-10 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig LEnglish5@ wrote: http://www.reddit.com/r/Meditation/comments/s2dza/a_question_about_meditation_and_dissociation/c4ao4ku Sometimes I wax too poetic in too long-winded a way,

[FairfieldLife] Re: my best TM theory exposition yet, I think

2012-04-10 Thread raunchydog
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig LEnglish5@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig LEnglish5@ wrote:

[FairfieldLife] Re: my best TM theory exposition yet, I think

2012-04-10 Thread raunchydog
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@... wrote: On Apr 10, 2012, at 4:13 PM, sparaig wrote: http://www.reddit.com/r/Meditation/comments/s2dza/a_question_about_meditation_and_dissociation/c4ao4ku Sometimes I wax too poetic in too long-winded a way, but I'm proud of

[FairfieldLife] Re: my best TM theory exposition yet, I think

2012-04-10 Thread wgm4u
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig LEnglish5@... wrote: http://www.reddit.com/r/Meditation/comments/s2dza/a_question_about_meditation_and_dissociation/c4ao4ku Sometimes I wax too poetic in too long-winded a way, but I'm proud of this one. Feel free to flame in the original

[FairfieldLife] Re: my best TM theory exposition yet, I think

2012-04-10 Thread wgm4u
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@... wrote: On Apr 10, 2012, at 4:13 PM, sparaig wrote: http://www.reddit.com/r/Meditation/comments/s2dza/a_question_about_meditation_and_dissociation/c4ao4ku Sometimes I wax too poetic in too long-winded a way, but I'm proud of

[FairfieldLife] Re: my best TM theory exposition yet, I think

2012-04-10 Thread wgm4u
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, raunchydog raunchydog@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@ wrote: On Apr 10, 2012, at 4:13 PM, sparaig wrote:

[FairfieldLife] Re: my best TM theory exposition yet, I think

2012-04-10 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@... wrote: On Apr 10, 2012, at 4:13 PM, sparaig wrote: http://www.reddit.com/r/Meditation/comments/s2dza/a_question_about_meditation_and_dissociation/c4ao4ku Sometimes I wax too poetic in too long-winded a way, but I'm proud of

[FairfieldLife] Re: my best TM theory exposition yet, I think

2012-04-10 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wgm4u no_reply@... wrote: [...] I think Vaj deserves a little more respect, though I think he kind of threw out the baby with the bath water, he still has some legitimate critiques of the tmorg. Low hanging fruit. Saddam Hussein could have come up

[FairfieldLife] Re: my best TM theory exposition yet, I think

2012-04-10 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wgm4u no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@ wrote: On Apr 10, 2012, at 4:13 PM, sparaig wrote: http://www.reddit.com/r/Meditation/comments/s2dza/a_question_about_meditation_and_dissociation/c4ao4ku

[FairfieldLife] Re: my best TM theory exposition yet, I think

2012-04-10 Thread wgm4u
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig LEnglish5@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wgm4u no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@ wrote: On Apr 10, 2012, at 4:13 PM, sparaig wrote: