[FairfieldLife] Re: the amazing theater in Berlin
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Angela Mailander <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > In answer to feste37 (see below), I'd like to ask, what if Marshy really is enlightened and is laughing his fool head off like Vaj and Curtisdeltablues and me? What if Marshy is rolling around on the floor with us? What if he's smart enough to deconstruct his whole movement, I mean MOVEMENT, excuse me, in the manner we have been witnessing these past few years? > I don't know about MMY, but that video totally cracked me up; I haven't laughed that hard in years. I almost choked on my tongue! In part, I think, it's a cautionary tale because in making overt claims of "Invincibility" and "elimination of all negativity" and all that, they are really speaking of extremely subtle, interior, "Raam-Raj" particle-loving and one's consequent integrity and harmony; of the true marriage of Purusha and Prakriti, but this video illustrates how hideously distorted those understandings can become when misinterpreted, misunderstood and misapplied by a separate small-mind, one that has not yet "died." And I'm not speaking of the audience. The way the "Raj" treated his "particles" in that video -- dully repeating "Invincibility," over and over, like a mantra, and *louder* and *louder* to drown out the objections and consequent chaos, trying to get all his particles to sing along (which they do automatically, "Vedically," when one is in harmony with them), refusing or unable to actually speak to their concerns, was a perfect example of the tyranny of "Brahma-raj" -- the fascism of the ignorant-I -- rather than the intimate sweetness of "Raam-raj." David Lynch, OTOH, was a very impressive example of "Raam-raj," I thought. It was brilliant theater, truly brilliant. And again, I am *not* judging the depth or breadth of *anyone's* actual "enlightenment" here, because there is no one here to be "enlightened," to judge or be judged in reality: only appreciating aspects of my own understanding or lack of it, as illustrated by the *actors in the movie.* The "Raaj" did a beautiful job acting out the attempts and strategies of the unripe or not-yet-dead mind to control its environment. "Lynch" did a beautiful job acting out the ability of the "dead" to Be Here Now; to listen to feedback and begin to harmonize one's particles. Each played perfectly off the other. They're both perfect; both in reality just momentary fluctuations of emptiful Nothing, of "Me," of the Self.
[FairfieldLife] Re: the amazing theater in Berlin
[Angela wrote:] > You are also right about Wagner's music, but his librettos > are fascist propaganda. I can tell the difference between > divine music and shitty literature. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "feste37" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I wonder if you've ever read a Wagner libretto. You are right > that they are not poetry of the highest quality, but completely > wrong when you call them "fascist propaganda." Quite the > opposite. The Ring of the Nibelung is about the triumph of > unconditional love over the unscrupulous, ruthless use of > political and economic power. It is, if anything, "anti-Fascist > propaganda." In the last opera in the Ring, "Goetterdaemmerung," or "The Twilight of the Gods," the Hitlerian prototypes--the gods of Valhalla and the Superman Siegfried--meet with utter destruction. Tristan and Isolde is about transcendental, > eternal love. Parsifal is a Christian myth of redemption. The > Flying Dutchman, Lohengrin, and Tannhauser have no significant > political content. I'm also a Wagner fan, and this is absolutely correct. The idea that the librettos are "fascist propaganda" is profoundly ignorant. Wikipedia has an excellent, thoroughly documented article on Wagner and Nazism: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wagner_controversies There's also a devastating critique on Amazon of a book claiming that Hitler got his ideas from Wagner: http://tinyurl.com/25wc7v [Angela wrote:] > No connection between the TMO and Nazi Germany? Well, that depends on which historians you ask. History is a story that's not told by monotopical idiots (right Turquoise?), unless they're paid textbook writers. So in a situation like that, in which vastly different people tell vastly different stories about an enormous evil that humanity has just been through, and you think there is only one way to tell that story? That's what textbooks would have you believe, which is why they're so f--ing boring. Are you telling me (like a true fascist) that your way of seeing history is the only way? Well, actually, no, he's not, Angela. Here's what he was telling you: > I don't know anyone else who would seriously > argue for any similarities between the TMO and > the Nazis. Angela, let's see some references to historians who claim there's a connection between the TMO and Nazi Germany.
[FairfieldLife] Re: the amazing theater in Berlin
I wonder if you've ever read a Wagner libretto. You are right that they are not poetry of the highest quality, but completely wrong when you call them "fascist propaganda." Quite the opposite. The Ring of the Nibelung is about the triumph of unconditional love over the unscrupulous, ruthless use of political and economic power. It is, if anything, "anti-Fascist propaganda." Tristan and Isolde is about transcendental, eternal love. Parsifal is a Christian myth of redemption. The Flying Dutchman, Lohengrin, and Tannhauser have no significant political content. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Angela Mailander <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > In answer to feste37 (see below), I'd like to ask, what if Marshy really is enlightened and is laughing his fool head off like Vaj and Curtisdeltablues and me? What if Marshy is rolling around on the floor with us? What if he's smart enough to deconstruct his whole movement, I mean MOVEMENT, excuse me, in the manner we have been witnessing these past few years? > > No connection between the TMO and Nazi Germany? Well, that depends on which historians you ask. History is a story that's not told by monotopical idiots (right Turquoise?), unless they're paid textbook writers. So in a situation like that, in which vastly different people tell vastly different stories about an enormous evil that humanity has just been through, and you think there is only one way to tell that story? That's what textbooks would have you believe, which is why they're so f--ing boring. Are you telling me (like a true fascist) that your way of seeing history is the only way? > > I am German, but do you think that after 60 years of meditating I feel guilty about Hitler? ROTFLOL. You wouldn't want to claim that meditation is that worthless at releasing stress, would you? > > You are right about one thing, though. That amazing piece of theater in Berlin was for f.ing sure innocuous. You are also right about Wagner's music, but his librettos are fascist propaganda. I can tell the difference between divine music and shitty literature. > > > The rhetoric of the TMO only sounds like "Hitler-style fascism" to you > because for some strange reason you've convinced yourself there is a > link between the two. I don't know anyone else who would seriously > argue for any similarities between the TMO and the Nazis. Your vague > phrase "the whole vibe of the thing" certainly can't be taken > seriously. If the Germans think that the TMO is like Hitler, that > merely reveals how guilty they still feel (quite rightly so) about > that thousand-year stain on their country's honor, so they react > defensively in innocuous situations. It reminds me of people who > condemn Wagner's music for expressing Nazi ideology, when if they > would only listen to it, they would find that the opposite is true. > But some people can't listen, no matter how much one asks them to. > Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com >
