Re: [FairfieldLife] Some Fairfield, Iowa Age of Enlightenment News:
I agree with Curtis here. Maharishi's We don't talk about our state of consciousness routine was an *intentional* Nudge-nudge wink-wink know-what-I-mean tactic that IMO *everyone* was in on. You believed it more firmly because you'd been convinced that you *were* in on it. He got to imply that he WAS, in fact, enlightened, without ever saying it overtly. People who bought the act got to believe he was enlightened while also picking up on the cue that *they* could run this same number someday when *they* became enlightened. Everyone was also expected to pick up on the fact that he (Maharishi) seem to make decisions the same way he described the enlightened making them. That is, as a total narcissist, just deciding something and then assuming that it was the correct decision simply because he had decided it. Again, as Curtis suggests, everyone was supposed to assume that his near-absolute inability to plan ahead or take other people's advice when making decisions was a good thing, something an enlightened person would do. And as Curtis suggests, saying it overtly would have been a step backwards, an admission that his Aw shucks...*of course* I'm enlightened, but I'm not allowed to say so cuz I'm so humble routine hadn't worked. From: curtisdeltabl...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2014 9:31 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Some Fairfield, Iowa Age of Enlightenment News: --In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : MMY was a Hindu monk and never claimed to be enlightened, I personally don't think he was. However TM works, that should be a relevant factor in the overall merits of the TM program IMHO. C: Whenever I see this statement I find it curious. The guy set up an organization based entirely on the assumption of his enlightenment. He never had to say I am enlightened he created the context in which we all related to him in this way. There was no context that I was ever in around him where this assumption was not the guiding principle under which we related to every word that came out of his mouth. It was the assumption that lay behind his commentaries on scriptures or lines from the Vedas, and everything else he wrote or spoke about. He looked at every subject from this assumptive perspective explicitly. He had the most through indoctrination program to instill this belief in us all that I can conceive of. What else could he have done to convey this assumption? I can't think of anything undone to this end. A verbal affirmation would be a step back from the institution he build on the foundation of this assumption. I'm thinking that he did claim to be enlightened, could you tell?
Re: [FairfieldLife] Some Fairfield, Iowa Age of Enlightenment News:
I think it's worth drawing a parallel between the recent action of militant hackers from (it is widely assumed) North Korea against the Sony corporation. These hackers didn't like what they'd heard was going to be portrayed in an upcoming movie. So they did whatever they felt was necessary to try to extort Sony into withdrawing the film. This included searching for and posting widely on the Internet personal information about Sony employees and executives. Sony caved. The film The Interview is being withdrawn from theatrical release, and the hackers won. Meanwhile, back on FFL, isn't this pretty much exactly what a number of people tried to do here? They didn't like some of the things being said, so they attempted to extort Rick into kicking the people saying it off of the forum. They went so far as to stalk the people they wanted to be kicked off and either posted personal information about them on the Internet, and/or encouraged other people who thought the way they did to perform illegal actions to get these neganauts in trouble in the real world. Rick *didn't* cave. FFL is still on the air, healthier and less confrontational than ever in my opinion, and the ones who felt it was their right to try to extort Rick into doing what *they* wanted done are (with only one exception) gone. Go figure. And hallelujah. From: curtisdeltabl...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2014 3:45 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Some Fairfield, Iowa Age of Enlightenment News: The catnip of the self righteous: the shaming of the sinners. Heaven isn't too interesting without that is it Buck? And what is the currency of the righteous? Buck, from his dome: You seem rather to have anger issues. You evidentlyare no better here than some ole Southern bushwhacker out terrorizingotherwise good people. Good old fashioned ad hominem, personal attack. That is the ticket. This place doesn't roll this way since the troublemakers left Buck. We are having discussions here that allow Michael to express his feelings about the organization he was a part of, just like you. And people more secure in their own opinions don't feel the need to attack him for having ideas they don't share. I thought Michael's points were well reasoned, most of them are just movement points that they say themselves. In the end he gives his own opinion about it all. What about his freedom of expression riles you up so much? What is it about people who have come to a different conclusion about the value of the TM group that rivets your attention? Is it really Michael's doubts that are causing you so much agitation? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5@... wrote : Son, you quite evidently are out of touch withwhat is Fairfield reality. Clearly you have a warped understandingof the meditating community here and of the modern TM movement now 30years later. If, if, if.. you freely hypothesize. You clearly areimpugning everything with your parade of suppositions as axiomaticpostulates. You seem rather to have anger issues. You evidentlyare no better here than some ole Southern bushwhacker out terrorizingotherwise good people. -Buck in Fairfield, Ia. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : I'm not saying that people in FF are bad or that good things are not created in FF. I am saying that if people donate money to the Movement because: A - They believe Marshy was enlightened, therefore all that came from him has some cosmic cachet to itB - They believe the Movement is going to create world peace, heaven on earth, sat yuga or any permutation thereofC - They believe that yagyas can influence the universe, people, politics, the weather and so onD - They believe that the Movement solicits money for any reason other than in truth to line their own pockets Then they are living in a fantasy world. From: dhamiltony2k5@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, December 13, 2014 10:57 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Some Fairfield, Iowa Age of Enlightenment News: Nay, you misinterpreting jerk you are building astraw-man making a monolith out of meditators to knock over. Youintentionally overlook what are perfectly fine and good elements inthe community here to stalk and beat up. That in itself is so wrongthat you are being horribly vile, vicious and unkind of a people.Reform your puking neganautical unkind bullying self, -Buck inFairfield ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : So you are saying that people in Fairfield know BY THEIR OWN EXPERIENCE that TMSP practice creates world peace, that yagyas work for whatever their purpose is, that the Movement is creating heaven on earth, and that Marshy was enlightened??? Y'all are drinkin' some high powered Kool-Aid!!! From
Re: [FairfieldLife] Some Fairfield, Iowa Age of Enlightenment News:
MMY was a Hindu monk and never claimed to be enlightened, I personally don't think he was. However TM works, that should be a relevant factor in the overall merits of the TM program IMHO.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Some Fairfield, Iowa Age of Enlightenment News:
--In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : MMY was a Hindu monk and never claimed to be enlightened, I personally don't think he was. However TM works, that should be a relevant factor in the overall merits of the TM program IMHO. C: Whenever I see this statement I find it curious. The guy set up an organization based entirely on the assumption of his enlightenment. He never had to say I am enlightened he created the context in which we all related to him in this way. There was no context that I was ever in around him where this assumption was not the guiding principle under which we related to every word that came out of his mouth. It was the assumption that lay behind his commentaries on scriptures or lines from the Vedas, and everything else he wrote or spoke about. He looked at every subject from this assumptive perspective explicitly. He had the most through indoctrination program to instill this belief in us all that I can conceive of. What else could he have done to convey this assumption? I can't think of anything undone to this end. A verbal affirmation would be a step back from the institution he build on the foundation of this assumption. I'm thinking that he did claim to be enlightened, could you tell?
Re: [FairfieldLife] Some Fairfield, Iowa Age of Enlightenment News:
Okay, by what criteria do you judge him as unenlightened? On 12/18/2014 12:00 PM, wgm4u wrote: MMY was a Hindu monk and never claimed to be enlightened, I personally don't think he was. However TM works, that should be a relevant factor in the overall merits of the TM program IMHO.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Some Fairfield, Iowa Age of Enlightenment News:
Works in what way, pray tell?
If one looks at the effect of TM overall, one finds a mixed bag. There are
those who swear by it, those who think it is helpful and those for whom it has
quite literally been a nightmare. And there are many who fall somewhere in
between each of those categories.
One can't, if one wishes to be objective, shrug off the testimony of those who
believe it has saved their lives in one way or another, nor can one ignore
those who state emphatically that it ruined their lives.
TM is a mixed bag at best. From my point of view, when you add to the mixed bag
the fact that many TM teachers say that upwards of 90% of their TM students
stopped doing TM within the first few months of learning it sort of sullies the
TM is good rep.
TM's rep is further damaged from the plethora of stories of unpleasant,
deceitful and downright abusive behavior experienced by numerous people at the
hands of Marshy and many of his keenest lieutenants.
From one on one stories of less than enlightened behavior on the part of TM
big shots toward rank and file TM'ers all of whom had less power in the
Movement than the abusers, to shady and questionable business deals, to the
attempt of MUM to take a neighboring farmer's land through eminent domain to
the pundit riot, to the obvious shell game Marshy and his Movement has always
played with funds, i.e. - asking for money for purposes for which the money
was never used. Certainly makes the PR as to the positive effects of TM ring
way hollow.
From: wgm4u no_re...@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2014 3:00 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Some Fairfield, Iowa Age of Enlightenment News:
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Some Fairfield, Iowa Age of Enlightenment News:
In my personal experience, Maharishi Mahesh Yogi was asked about what state he was in. He said something close to: As a monk, I'm not expected to talk about myself, but I must be up there somewhere. At the time, the crowd bought it as if it he were humility incarnate. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : MMY was a Hindu monk and never claimed to be enlightened, I personally don't think he was. However TM works, that should be a relevant factor in the overall merits of the TM program IMHO.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Some Fairfield, Iowa Age of Enlightenment News:
Son, you quite evidently are out of touch with what is Fairfield reality. Clearly you have a warped understanding of the meditating community here and of the modern TM movement now 30 years later. If, if, if.. you freely hypothesize. You clearly are impugning everything with your parade of suppositions as axiomatic postulates. You seem rather to have anger issues. You evidently are no better here than some ole Southern bushwhacker out terrorizing otherwise good people. -Buck in Fairfield, Ia. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : I'm not saying that people in FF are bad or that good things are not created in FF. I am saying that if people donate money to the Movement because: A - They believe Marshy was enlightened, therefore all that came from him has some cosmic cachet to it B - They believe the Movement is going to create world peace, heaven on earth, sat yuga or any permutation thereof C - They believe that yagyas can influence the universe, people, politics, the weather and so on D - They believe that the Movement solicits money for any reason other than in truth to line their own pockets Then they are living in a fantasy world. From: dhamiltony2k5@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, December 13, 2014 10:57 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Some Fairfield, Iowa Age of Enlightenment News: Nay, you misinterpreting jerk you are building a straw-man making a monolith out of meditators to knock over. You intentionally overlook what are perfectly fine and good elements in the community here to stalk and beat up. That in itself is so wrong that you are being horribly vile, vicious and unkind of a people. Reform your puking neganautical unkind bullying self, -Buck in Fairfield ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : So you are saying that people in Fairfield know BY THEIR OWN EXPERIENCE that TMSP practice creates world peace, that yagyas work for whatever their purpose is, that the Movement is creating heaven on earth, and that Marshy was enlightened??? Y'all are drinkin' some high powered Kool-Aid!!! From: dhamiltony2k5@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, December 13, 2014 8:08 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Some Fairfield, Iowa Age of Enlightenment News: No, yours is entirely wrong thinking about this. People are quite conscious here, comfortable with what they know by experience and have long figured it out for themselves. Who are you to tell peoples they are erroneous in what they know as their experience? You are nothing better than a communal terrorist here using this place to throw bombs.-Buck in the Dome ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : I understand the concept very well - people believe what they are told by the Movement, based on the erroneous idea that Marshy was enlightened and therefore could do no wrong and could never lie since he was merely the instrument of the Universe - Cosmic Mind speaking and acting through Marshy, therefore whatever he said was the Cosmic Self saying, teaching and doing. Thus, people believe that all the hype the Movement now puts forward is true, specifically the idea that the Movement is going to create world peace and transform humanity. Thus they pony up the money whenever the Movement begs for it and they feel quite self satisfied that they are helping the Movement create heaven on earth when in reality they are merely making the people who exists off the Movement more comfortable, because Marshy was a liar, TMSP doesn't do anything except make people feel good (sometimes, when they aren't unstressing) That's about the size of it. If people want to financially support the TMO that's their business, but they are doing it only because they believe in illusions. Sent: Saturday, December 13, 2014 12:10 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Some Fairfield, Iowa Age of Enlightenment News: Dear MJ, you are being so completely negative and unkind here. Different people support different elements of the transcending meditation movement as they are interested and experience value there for themselves in it. You clearly are spiritually out of touch with what is going on here and that is pitiable, -Buck ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : he or she is an idiot - tell them I will take half of that so send me five hundred thou, eh? Didn't it occur to the donor to ask what the hell the Movement has been doing with all its other money? How about the hundred thousand they collected for the yagya for England to get no more storms? Did the pundits need that much rice and camphor to do the yagya? Sent: Friday, December 12, 2014 7:31 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Some Fairfield, Iowa Age of Enlightenment News
Re: [FairfieldLife] Some Fairfield, Iowa Age of Enlightenment News:
The catnip of the self righteous: the shaming of the sinners. Heaven isn't too interesting without that is it Buck? And what is the currency of the righteous? Buck, from his dome: You seem rather to have anger issues. You evidently are no better here than some ole Southern bushwhacker out terrorizing otherwise good people. Good old fashioned ad hominem, personal attack. That is the ticket. This place doesn't roll this way since the troublemakers left Buck. We are having discussions here that allow Michael to express his feelings about the organization he was a part of, just like you. And people more secure in their own opinions don't feel the need to attack him for having ideas they don't share. I thought Michael's points were well reasoned, most of them are just movement points that they say themselves. In the end he gives his own opinion about it all. What about his freedom of expression riles you up so much? What is it about people who have come to a different conclusion about the value of the TM group that rivets your attention? Is it really Michael's doubts that are causing you so much agitation? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5@... wrote : Son, you quite evidently are out of touch with what is Fairfield reality. Clearly you have a warped understanding of the meditating community here and of the modern TM movement now 30 years later. If, if, if.. you freely hypothesize. You clearly are impugning everything with your parade of suppositions as axiomatic postulates. You seem rather to have anger issues. You evidently are no better here than some ole Southern bushwhacker out terrorizing otherwise good people. -Buck in Fairfield, Ia. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : I'm not saying that people in FF are bad or that good things are not created in FF. I am saying that if people donate money to the Movement because: A - They believe Marshy was enlightened, therefore all that came from him has some cosmic cachet to it B - They believe the Movement is going to create world peace, heaven on earth, sat yuga or any permutation thereof C - They believe that yagyas can influence the universe, people, politics, the weather and so on D - They believe that the Movement solicits money for any reason other than in truth to line their own pockets Then they are living in a fantasy world. From: dhamiltony2k5@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, December 13, 2014 10:57 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Some Fairfield, Iowa Age of Enlightenment News: Nay, you misinterpreting jerk you are building a straw-man making a monolith out of meditators to knock over. You intentionally overlook what are perfectly fine and good elements in the community here to stalk and beat up. That in itself is so wrong that you are being horribly vile, vicious and unkind of a people. Reform your puking neganautical unkind bullying self, -Buck in Fairfield ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : So you are saying that people in Fairfield know BY THEIR OWN EXPERIENCE that TMSP practice creates world peace, that yagyas work for whatever their purpose is, that the Movement is creating heaven on earth, and that Marshy was enlightened??? Y'all are drinkin' some high powered Kool-Aid!!! From: dhamiltony2k5@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, December 13, 2014 8:08 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Some Fairfield, Iowa Age of Enlightenment News: No, yours is entirely wrong thinking about this. People are quite conscious here, comfortable with what they know by experience and have long figured it out for themselves. Who are you to tell peoples they are erroneous in what they know as their experience? You are nothing better than a communal terrorist here using this place to throw bombs.-Buck in the Dome ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : I understand the concept very well - people believe what they are told by the Movement, based on the erroneous idea that Marshy was enlightened and therefore could do no wrong and could never lie since he was merely the instrument of the Universe - Cosmic Mind speaking and acting through Marshy, therefore whatever he said was the Cosmic Self saying, teaching and doing. Thus, people believe that all the hype the Movement now puts forward is true, specifically the idea that the Movement is going to create world peace and transform humanity. Thus they pony up the money whenever the Movement begs for it and they feel quite self satisfied that they are helping the Movement create heaven on earth when in reality they are merely making the people who exists off the Movement more comfortable, because Marshy was a liar, TMSP doesn't do anything except make people feel good (sometimes
Re: [FairfieldLife] Some Fairfield, Iowa Age of Enlightenment News:
I understand the concept very well Doug - people believe what they are told by
the Movement, based on the erroneous idea that Marshy was enlightened and
therefore could do no wrong and could never lie since he was merely the
instrument of the Universe - Cosmic Mind speaking and acting through Marshy,
therefore whatever he said was the Cosmic Self saying, teaching and doing.
Thus, people believe that all the hype the Movement now puts forward is true,
specifically the idea that the Movement is going to create world peace and
transform humanity. Thus they pony up the money whenever the Movement begs for
it and they feel quite self satisfied that they are helping the Movement create
heaven on earth when in reality they are merely making the people who exists
off the Movement more comfortable, because Marshy was a liar, TMSP doesn't do
anything except make people feel good (sometimes, when they aren't unstressing)
That's about the size of it. If people want to financially support the TMO
that's their business, but they are doing it only because they believe in
illusions.
From: dhamiltony...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, December 13, 2014 12:10 AM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Some Fairfield, Iowa Age of Enlightenment News:
DearMJ, you are being so completely negative and unkind here. Different people
supportdifferent elements of the transcending meditation movement as theyare
interested and experience value there for themselves in it. You clearly are
spiritually out of touch with what is going on here and that is pitiable, -Buck
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote :
he or she is an idiot - tell them I will take half of that so send me five
hundred thou, eh?
Didn't it occur to the donor to ask what the hell the Movement has been doing
with all its other money? How about the hundred thousand they collected for the
yagya for England to get no more storms? Did the pundits need that much rice
and camphor to do the yagya?
Sent: Friday, December 12, 2014 7:31 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Some Fairfield, Iowa Age of Enlightenment News:
Agenerous donor has pledged $ 1 million to support campus
renovationsnecessitated by a continued expansion of Maharishi University
ofManagement programs.
-Buck the Prophet of Peace on FFL, fightingunkindness and the terrorism of
Neganauts on FairfiedLife at Yahoo-groups on the internet
Fact is,
FFL was overwhelmed and overtaken by unkindness!!
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, j_alexander_stanley@... wrote :
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anartaxius@... wrote :
Buck, you have failed to notice that FFL is already saved. The boat is afloat
and sailing smoothly.
You are flailing in the ocean pretending the ship has gone down.
The FFL Ship? Pretending it has gone down?
The good ship of Zion which was FFL has been seized by pirates and is on its
way to Davy Jones' Locker. It is not too late to save good pieces of it.
.. You have been thrown over numerous times without life preserver and
rejected, yet you stay clinging to wreckage preferring yet to remain onboard a
raft, out in a cold, soaking wet, lonely point because of some god-dammed pride
and adherence to intractable beliefs in goodwill, truth, fairness and justice,
and the Yahoo-groups Guidelines which no sane person would consider rational.
A religious man is trapped on his roof during a flood. A passing boat throws a
life preserver and he refuses it saying I don't need a life preserver. God
will help me.
So the boat continues on its course. The emergency response team comes by and
sees him stuck there and throw him a line. He refuses saying again that he
doesn't need them, God will help him.
They move on to see if anyone else needs help. A helicopter then comes and
lowers him a ladder.
I don't need your ladder. God will help me.
Finally, the man drowns. When he goes to heaven he says God, why didn't you
help me?
God says I sent you two boats and a helicopter.
Rick; to save FFL I feel you shouldjust suspend the posting function to FFL for
a good while.
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Some Fairfield, Iowa Age of Enlightenment News:
No, yours is entirely wrong thinking about this. People are quite conscious here, comfortable with what they know by experience and have long figured it out for themselves. Who are you to tell peoples they are erroneous in what they know as their experience? You are nothing better than a communal terrorist here using this place to throw bombs.-Buck in the Dome ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : I understand the concept very well - people believe what they are told by the Movement, based on the erroneous idea that Marshy was enlightened and therefore could do no wrong and could never lie since he was merely the instrument of the Universe - Cosmic Mind speaking and acting through Marshy, therefore whatever he said was the Cosmic Self saying, teaching and doing. Thus, people believe that all the hype the Movement now puts forward is true, specifically the idea that the Movement is going to create world peace and transform humanity. Thus they pony up the money whenever the Movement begs for it and they feel quite self satisfied that they are helping the Movement create heaven on earth when in reality they are merely making the people who exists off the Movement more comfortable, because Marshy was a liar, TMSP doesn't do anything except make people feel good (sometimes, when they aren't unstressing) That's about the size of it. If people want to financially support the TMO that's their business, but they are doing it only because they believe in illusions. Sent: Saturday, December 13, 2014 12:10 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Some Fairfield, Iowa Age of Enlightenment News: Dear MJ, you are being so completely negative and unkind here. Different people support different elements of the transcending meditation movement as they are interested and experience value there for themselves in it. You clearly are spiritually out of touch with what is going on here and that is pitiable, -Buck ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : he or she is an idiot - tell them I will take half of that so send me five hundred thou, eh? Didn't it occur to the donor to ask what the hell the Movement has been doing with all its other money? How about the hundred thousand they collected for the yagya for England to get no more storms? Did the pundits need that much rice and camphor to do the yagya? Sent: Friday, December 12, 2014 7:31 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Some Fairfield, Iowa Age of Enlightenment News: A generous donor has pledged $ 1 million to support campus renovations necessitated by a continued expansion of Maharishi University of Management programs. -Buck the Prophet of Peace on FFL, fighting unkindness and the terrorism of Neganauts on FairfiedLife at Yahoo-groups on the internet Fact is, FFL was overwhelmed and overtaken by unkindness!! ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, j_alexander_stanley@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anartaxius@... wrote : Buck, you have failed to notice that FFL is already saved. The boat is afloat and sailing smoothly. You are flailing in the ocean pretending the ship has gone down. The FFL Ship? Pretending it has gone down? The good ship of Zion which was FFL has been seized by pirates and is on its way to Davy Jones' Locker. It is not too late to save good pieces of it. .. You have been thrown over numerous times without life preserver and rejected, yet you stay clinging to wreckage preferring yet to remain onboard a raft, out in a cold, soaking wet, lonely point because of some god-dammed pride and adherence to intractable beliefs in goodwill, truth, fairness and justice, and the Yahoo-groups Guidelines which no sane person would consider rational. A religious man is trapped on his roof during a flood. A passing boat throws a life preserver and he refuses it saying I don't need a life preserver. God will help me. So the boat continues on its course. The emergency response team comes by and sees him stuck there and throw him a line. He refuses saying again that he doesn't need them, God will help him. They move on to see if anyone else needs help. A helicopter then comes and lowers him a ladder. I don't need your ladder. God will help me. Finally, the man drowns. When he goes to heaven he says God, why didn't you help me? God says I sent you two boats and a helicopter. Rick; to save FFL I feel you should just suspend the posting function to FFL for a good while.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Some Fairfield, Iowa Age of Enlightenment News:
So you are saying that people in Fairfield know BY THEIR OWN EXPERIENCE that TMSP practice creates world peace, that yagyas work for whatever their purpose is, that the Movement is creating heaven on earth, and that Marshy was enlightened??? Y'all are drinkin' some high powered Kool-Aid!!! From: dhamiltony...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, December 13, 2014 8:08 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Some Fairfield, Iowa Age of Enlightenment News: No, yours is entirely wrong thinking about this. People are quite conscious here,comfortable with what they know by experience and have long figuredit out for themselves. Who are you to tell peoples they areerroneous in what they know as their experience? You are nothingbetter than a communal terrorist here using this place to throw bombs. -Buck in the Dome ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : I understand the concept very well - people believe what they are told by the Movement, based on the erroneous idea that Marshy was enlightened and therefore could do no wrong and could never lie since he was merely the instrument of the Universe - Cosmic Mind speaking and acting through Marshy, therefore whatever he said was the Cosmic Self saying, teaching and doing. Thus, people believe that all the hype the Movement now puts forward is true, specifically the idea that the Movement is going to create world peace and transform humanity. Thus they pony up the money whenever the Movement begs for it and they feel quite self satisfied that they are helping the Movement create heaven on earth when in reality they are merely making the people who exists off the Movement more comfortable, because Marshy was a liar, TMSP doesn't do anything except make people feel good (sometimes, when they aren't unstressing) That's about the size of it. If people want to financially support the TMO that's their business, but they are doing it only because they believe in illusions. Sent: Saturday, December 13, 2014 12:10 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Some Fairfield, Iowa Age of Enlightenment News: DearMJ, you are being so completely negative and unkind here. Different people supportdifferent elements of the transcending meditation movement as theyare interested and experience value there for themselves in it. You clearly are spiritually out of touch with what is going on here and that is pitiable, -Buck ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : he or she is an idiot - tell them I will take half of that so send me five hundred thou, eh? Didn't it occur to the donor to ask what the hell the Movement has been doing with all its other money? How about the hundred thousand they collected for the yagya for England to get no more storms? Did the pundits need that much rice and camphor to do the yagya? Sent: Friday, December 12, 2014 7:31 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Some Fairfield, Iowa Age of Enlightenment News: Agenerous donor has pledged $ 1 million to support campus renovationsnecessitated by a continued expansion of Maharishi University ofManagement programs. -Buck the Prophet of Peace on FFL, fightingunkindness and the terrorism of Neganauts on FairfiedLife at Yahoo-groups on the internet Fact is, FFL was overwhelmed and overtaken by unkindness!! ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, j_alexander_stanley@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anartaxius@... wrote : Buck, you have failed to notice that FFL is already saved. The boat is afloat and sailing smoothly. You are flailing in the ocean pretending the ship has gone down. The FFL Ship? Pretending it has gone down? The good ship of Zion which was FFL has been seized by pirates and is on its way to Davy Jones' Locker. It is not too late to save good pieces of it. .. You have been thrown over numerous times without life preserver and rejected, yet you stay clinging to wreckage preferring yet to remain onboard a raft, out in a cold, soaking wet, lonely point because of some god-dammed pride and adherence to intractable beliefs in goodwill, truth, fairness and justice, and the Yahoo-groups Guidelines which no sane person would consider rational. A religious man is trapped on his roof during a flood. A passing boat throws a life preserver and he refuses it saying I don't need a life preserver. God will help me. So the boat continues on its course. The emergency response team comes by and sees him stuck there and throw him a line. He refuses saying again that he doesn't need them, God will help him. They move on to see if anyone else needs help. A helicopter then comes and lowers him a ladder. I don't need your ladder. God will help me. Finally, the man drowns. When he goes to heaven he says God, why didn't you help me? God says I sent you two boats and a helicopter. Rick; to save FFL I feel you
Re: [FairfieldLife] Some Fairfield, Iowa Age of Enlightenment News:
Nay, you misinterpreting jerk you are building a straw-man making a monolith out of meditators to knock over. You intentionally overlook what are perfectly fine and good elements in the community here to stalk and beat up. That in itself is so wrong that you are being horribly vile, vicious and unkind of a people. Reform your puking neganautical unkind bullying self, -Buck in Fairfield ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : So you are saying that people in Fairfield know BY THEIR OWN EXPERIENCE that TMSP practice creates world peace, that yagyas work for whatever their purpose is, that the Movement is creating heaven on earth, and that Marshy was enlightened??? Y'all are drinkin' some high powered Kool-Aid!!! From: dhamiltony2k5@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, December 13, 2014 8:08 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Some Fairfield, Iowa Age of Enlightenment News: No, yours is entirely wrong thinking about this. People are quite conscious here, comfortable with what they know by experience and have long figured it out for themselves. Who are you to tell peoples they are erroneous in what they know as their experience? You are nothing better than a communal terrorist here using this place to throw bombs.-Buck in the Dome ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : I understand the concept very well - people believe what they are told by the Movement, based on the erroneous idea that Marshy was enlightened and therefore could do no wrong and could never lie since he was merely the instrument of the Universe - Cosmic Mind speaking and acting through Marshy, therefore whatever he said was the Cosmic Self saying, teaching and doing. Thus, people believe that all the hype the Movement now puts forward is true, specifically the idea that the Movement is going to create world peace and transform humanity. Thus they pony up the money whenever the Movement begs for it and they feel quite self satisfied that they are helping the Movement create heaven on earth when in reality they are merely making the people who exists off the Movement more comfortable, because Marshy was a liar, TMSP doesn't do anything except make people feel good (sometimes, when they aren't unstressing) That's about the size of it. If people want to financially support the TMO that's their business, but they are doing it only because they believe in illusions. Sent: Saturday, December 13, 2014 12:10 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Some Fairfield, Iowa Age of Enlightenment News: Dear MJ, you are being so completely negative and unkind here. Different people support different elements of the transcending meditation movement as they are interested and experience value there for themselves in it. You clearly are spiritually out of touch with what is going on here and that is pitiable, -Buck ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : he or she is an idiot - tell them I will take half of that so send me five hundred thou, eh? Didn't it occur to the donor to ask what the hell the Movement has been doing with all its other money? How about the hundred thousand they collected for the yagya for England to get no more storms? Did the pundits need that much rice and camphor to do the yagya? Sent: Friday, December 12, 2014 7:31 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Some Fairfield, Iowa Age of Enlightenment News: A generous donor has pledged $ 1 million to support campus renovations necessitated by a continued expansion of Maharishi University of Management programs. -Buck the Prophet of Peace on FFL, fighting unkindness and the terrorism of Neganauts on FairfiedLife at Yahoo-groups on the internet Fact is, FFL was overwhelmed and overtaken by unkindness!! ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, j_alexander_stanley@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anartaxius@... wrote : Buck, you have failed to notice that FFL is already saved. The boat is afloat and sailing smoothly. You are flailing in the ocean pretending the ship has gone down. The FFL Ship? Pretending it has gone down? The good ship of Zion which was FFL has been seized by pirates and is on its way to Davy Jones' Locker. It is not too late to save good pieces of it. .. You have been thrown over numerous times without life preserver and rejected, yet you stay clinging to wreckage preferring yet to remain onboard a raft, out in a cold, soaking wet, lonely point because of some god-dammed pride and adherence to intractable beliefs in goodwill, truth, fairness and justice, and the Yahoo-groups Guidelines which no sane person would consider rational. A religious man is trapped on his roof during a flood. A passing boat throws a life preserver and he refuses it saying I don't
Re: [FairfieldLife] Some Fairfield, Iowa Age of Enlightenment News:
I'm not saying that people in FF are bad or that good things are not created in FF. I am saying that if people donate money to the Movement because: A - They believe Marshy was enlightened, therefore all that came from him has some cosmic cachet to itB - They believe the Movement is going to create world peace, heaven on earth, sat yuga or any permutation thereofC - They believe that yagyas can influence the universe, people, politics, the weather and so onD - They believe that the Movement solicits money for any reason other than in truth to line their own pockets Then they are living in a fantasy world. From: dhamiltony...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, December 13, 2014 10:57 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Some Fairfield, Iowa Age of Enlightenment News: Nay, you misinterpreting jerk you are building astraw-man making a monolith out of meditators to knock over. Youintentionally overlook what are perfectly fine and good elements inthe community here to stalk and beat up. That in itself is so wrongthat you are being horribly vile, vicious and unkind of a people. Reform your puking neganautical unkind bullying self, -Buck inFairfield ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : So you are saying that people in Fairfield know BY THEIR OWN EXPERIENCE that TMSP practice creates world peace, that yagyas work for whatever their purpose is, that the Movement is creating heaven on earth, and that Marshy was enlightened??? Y'all are drinkin' some high powered Kool-Aid!!! From: dhamiltony2k5@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, December 13, 2014 8:08 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Some Fairfield, Iowa Age of Enlightenment News: No, yours is entirely wrong thinking about this. People are quite conscious here,comfortable with what they know by experience and have long figuredit out for themselves. Who are you to tell peoples they areerroneous in what they know as their experience? You are nothingbetter than a communal terrorist here using this place to throw bombs. -Buck in the Dome ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : I understand the concept very well - people believe what they are told by the Movement, based on the erroneous idea that Marshy was enlightened and therefore could do no wrong and could never lie since he was merely the instrument of the Universe - Cosmic Mind speaking and acting through Marshy, therefore whatever he said was the Cosmic Self saying, teaching and doing. Thus, people believe that all the hype the Movement now puts forward is true, specifically the idea that the Movement is going to create world peace and transform humanity. Thus they pony up the money whenever the Movement begs for it and they feel quite self satisfied that they are helping the Movement create heaven on earth when in reality they are merely making the people who exists off the Movement more comfortable, because Marshy was a liar, TMSP doesn't do anything except make people feel good (sometimes, when they aren't unstressing) That's about the size of it. If people want to financially support the TMO that's their business, but they are doing it only because they believe in illusions. Sent: Saturday, December 13, 2014 12:10 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Some Fairfield, Iowa Age of Enlightenment News: DearMJ, you are being so completely negative and unkind here. Different people supportdifferent elements of the transcending meditation movement as theyare interested and experience value there for themselves in it. You clearly are spiritually out of touch with what is going on here and that is pitiable, -Buck ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : he or she is an idiot - tell them I will take half of that so send me five hundred thou, eh? Didn't it occur to the donor to ask what the hell the Movement has been doing with all its other money? How about the hundred thousand they collected for the yagya for England to get no more storms? Did the pundits need that much rice and camphor to do the yagya? Sent: Friday, December 12, 2014 7:31 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Some Fairfield, Iowa Age of Enlightenment News: Agenerous donor has pledged $ 1 million to support campus renovationsnecessitated by a continued expansion of Maharishi University ofManagement programs. -Buck the Prophet of Peace on FFL, fightingunkindness and the terrorism of Neganauts on FairfiedLife at Yahoo-groups on the internet Fact is, FFL was overwhelmed and overtaken by unkindness!! ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, j_alexander_stanley@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anartaxius@... wrote : Buck, you have failed to notice that FFL is already saved. The boat is afloat and sailing smoothly. You
[FairfieldLife] Some Fairfield, Iowa Age of Enlightenment News:
A generous donor has pledged $ 1 million to support campus renovations necessitated by a continued expansion of Maharishi University of Management programs. -Buck the Prophet of Peace on FFL, fighting unkindness and the terrorism of Neganauts on FairfiedLife at Yahoo-groups on the internet Fact is, FFL was overwhelmed and overtaken by unkindness!! ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, j_alexander_stanley@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anartaxius@... wrote : Buck, you have failed to notice that FFL is already saved. The boat is afloat and sailing smoothly. You are flailing in the ocean pretending the ship has gone down. The FFL Ship? Pretending it has gone down? The good ship of Zion which was FFL has been seized by pirates and is on its way to Davy Jones' Locker. It is not too late to save good pieces of it. .. You have been thrown over numerous times without life preserver and rejected, yet you stay clinging to wreckage preferring yet to remain onboard a raft, out in a cold, soaking wet, lonely point because of some god-dammed pride and adherence to intractable beliefs in goodwill, truth, fairness and justice, and the Yahoo-groups Guidelines which no sane person would consider rational. A religious man is trapped on his roof during a flood. A passing boat throws a life preserver and he refuses it saying I don't need a life preserver. God will help me. So the boat continues on its course. The emergency response team comes by and sees him stuck there and throw him a line. He refuses saying again that he doesn't need them, God will help him. They move on to see if anyone else needs help. A helicopter then comes and lowers him a ladder. I don't need your ladder. God will help me. Finally, the man drowns. When he goes to heaven he says God, why didn't you help me? God says I sent you two boats and a helicopter. Rick; to save FFL I feel you should just suspend the posting function to FFL for a good while.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Some Fairfield, Iowa Age of Enlightenment News:
he or she is an idiot - tell them I will take half of that so send me five
hundred thou, eh?
Didn't it occur to the donor to ask what the hell the Movement has been doing
with all its other money? How about the hundred thousand they collected for the
yagya for England to get no more storms? Did the pundits need that much rice
and camphor to do the yagya?
From: dhamiltony...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, December 12, 2014 7:31 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Some Fairfield, Iowa Age of Enlightenment News:
Agenerous donor has pledged $ 1 million to support campus
renovationsnecessitated by a continued expansion of Maharishi University
ofManagement programs.
-Buck the Prophet of Peace on FFL, fightingunkindness and the terrorism of
Neganauts on FairfiedLife at Yahoo-groups on the internet
Fact is,
FFL was overwhelmed and overtaken by unkindness!!
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, j_alexander_stanley@... wrote :
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anartaxius@... wrote :
Buck, you have failed to notice that FFL is already saved. The boat is afloat
and sailing smoothly.
You are flailing in the ocean pretending the ship has gone down.
The FFL Ship? Pretending it has gone down?
The good ship of Zion which was FFL has been seized by pirates and is on its
way to Davy Jones' Locker. It is not too late to save good pieces of it.
.. You have been thrown over numerous times without life preserver and
rejected, yet you stay clinging to wreckage preferring yet to remain onboard a
raft, out in a cold, soaking wet, lonely point because of some god-dammed pride
and adherence to intractable beliefs in goodwill, truth, fairness and justice,
and the Yahoo-groups Guidelines which no sane person would consider rational.
A religious man is trapped on his roof during a flood. A passing boat throws a
life preserver and he refuses it saying I don't need a life preserver. God
will help me.
So the boat continues on its course. The emergency response team comes by and
sees him stuck there and throw him a line. He refuses saying again that he
doesn't need them, God will help him.
They move on to see if anyone else needs help. A helicopter then comes and
lowers him a ladder.
I don't need your ladder. God will help me.
Finally, the man drowns. When he goes to heaven he says God, why didn't you
help me?
God says I sent you two boats and a helicopter.
Rick; to save FFL I feel you shouldjust suspend the posting function to FFL for
a good while.
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Some Fairfield, Iowa Age of Enlightenment News:
Dear MJ, you are being so completely negative and unkind here. Different people support different elements of the transcending meditation movement as they are interested and experience value there for themselves in it. You clearly are spiritually out of touch with what is going on here and that is pitiable, -Buck ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : he or she is an idiot - tell them I will take half of that so send me five hundred thou, eh? Didn't it occur to the donor to ask what the hell the Movement has been doing with all its other money? How about the hundred thousand they collected for the yagya for England to get no more storms? Did the pundits need that much rice and camphor to do the yagya? Sent: Friday, December 12, 2014 7:31 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Some Fairfield, Iowa Age of Enlightenment News: A generous donor has pledged $ 1 million to support campus renovations necessitated by a continued expansion of Maharishi University of Management programs. -Buck the Prophet of Peace on FFL, fighting unkindness and the terrorism of Neganauts on FairfiedLife at Yahoo-groups on the internet Fact is, FFL was overwhelmed and overtaken by unkindness!! ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, j_alexander_stanley@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anartaxius@... wrote : Buck, you have failed to notice that FFL is already saved. The boat is afloat and sailing smoothly. You are flailing in the ocean pretending the ship has gone down. The FFL Ship? Pretending it has gone down? The good ship of Zion which was FFL has been seized by pirates and is on its way to Davy Jones' Locker. It is not too late to save good pieces of it. .. You have been thrown over numerous times without life preserver and rejected, yet you stay clinging to wreckage preferring yet to remain onboard a raft, out in a cold, soaking wet, lonely point because of some god-dammed pride and adherence to intractable beliefs in goodwill, truth, fairness and justice, and the Yahoo-groups Guidelines which no sane person would consider rational. A religious man is trapped on his roof during a flood. A passing boat throws a life preserver and he refuses it saying I don't need a life preserver. God will help me. So the boat continues on its course. The emergency response team comes by and sees him stuck there and throw him a line. He refuses saying again that he doesn't need them, God will help him. They move on to see if anyone else needs help. A helicopter then comes and lowers him a ladder. I don't need your ladder. God will help me. Finally, the man drowns. When he goes to heaven he says God, why didn't you help me? God says I sent you two boats and a helicopter. Rick; to save FFL I feel you should just suspend the posting function to FFL for a good while.
