<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <no_reply@> wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <vajranatha@> wrote:
> > > On Jun 5, 2006, at 11:14 AM, new_morning_blank_slate wrote:
> > >
> > > > Can a student "get it" (things tantric) via transmission?
> > >
> > > Well, it depends what you mean by *transmission*. In
> > > some lineages you always receive a transmission before
> > > you practice, that's your "initiation" and permission
> > > to do the practice.
> >
> > I got the impression nmbs was asking whether entire
> > techniques and realizations can be transmitted to the
> > student 'mind to mind,' without the use of words. If
> > that was the question, I'd have to answer that with
> > a big "Yes."
>
> Yes. That was what nmbs was asking. (I am pleased you received that
> transmission clearly. :) )
>
I see that the references made in my words "And thus supporting,
though in no way proving, the following train of logic and
possibilities", if made explicit, would make the intent of the words
clearer (though perhaps more clunky.)
Fast, skimming or careless readers, even carfeul ones occaisionally,
can stumble on implied refereneces. See prior discussion on pronounds
-- and the confusion they caused. (Luckily Spraig is not jail. :) )
The implied reference in "And thus supporting" refers to knowledge
that can be transmitted to the student 'mind to mind,' without the use
of words. (aka point x) -- a point I had raised, independently, by
myself, in a prior post. That Unc interpreted the reference as not
being point x, but rather "Barry's endorsement of point x", is perhaps
understandable, though a bit odd IMO.
That Unc supported my independent point x, in no way was meant to
imply that such was a defacto support of points 1-9. That anyone would
read and assume that I felt Unc was supporting points 1-9 is
mindblowing. But I will try to be even more clear and careful in
future posts.
Feedback is a good thing. Thanks.
>
> 1) did SBS practice (real) tantra? Apparently yes.
>
> 2) did MMY use or teach some tantric things (regardless of what he
> called them)? Apparently yes.
>
> 3) Could SBS have known and even taught things (possibly including
> tantric) he did not personally practice? Apparently yes.
>
> 4) Could SBS have taught MMY tantric things appropriate for
> householders (his focus for MMY)? Possibly.
>
> 5) Could SBS or other teachers have taught MMY tantric things by
> (passive or active) "transmission"? Possibly.
>
> 6) Could MMY have learned tantric things via Ritam, mandala, or some
> other means of inner knowldge? Possibly.
>
>
> 7) Did MMY experiment and test lots of things? Emphatically yes.
>
> 8) Could MMY have sought to test some sexual tantric practices that he
> picked up i) directly from a teacher, or, ii) via transmission, or
> iii) from other yogis (tat walla babba,etc), or iv) from pundits
> /scriptures? Possibly.
>
> 9) Could MMY have solely sought raw sensual pleasure from his
> encounters? Possibly. (But doesn't fit his MO,IMO.)
>
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