[FairfieldLife] Spiritual bookstores as a metaphor for spiritual forums

2007-05-31 Thread TurquoiseB
We live in a world in which many of the conflicts
around us are based (IMO) on ideas, and on *how*
those ideas are communicated to others. Some on
this planet clearly feel that their ideas are so
right that they have the duty to convince 
others of their rightness. Think religious 
fanatics who actively attempt to convert others 
to their beliefs. Think those who believe that
their particular beliefs or form of meditation
or prayer or worship should be mandated, made 
into a law, and imposed on everyone for their 
own good. Think even those who seem compelled 
to react to any idea that is in conflict with 
their own ideas as an attack, or an excuse for 
an argument in which they can prove the super-
iority of their ideas.

Does that seem *respectful* to you? Does that
seem like the most effective manner in which one
can present one's spiritual ideas to others?

It doesn't to me. There is a metaphor that, for
me, presents a somewhat cooler way of presenting 
one's ideas to others -- just *present* them and 
then see whether anyone has an interest in them. 
If so, and the other person asks to hear more, 
explain more. If not, cool. The ideas have been 
presented, made available. 

A teacher I used to work with never used the 
hard sell in his public talks. He never sug-
gested in those talks that he or his ideas were 
better than any other teacher or any other 
teachers' ideas. He just presented his take 
on things, explained it as best he could, and 
then said, Good night. Thank you for coming. 
There was never even anything said about studying 
with him further. There was not even anything 
said about whether that possibility existed, or 
how someone who'd attended the public talk would
go about it if they *wanted* to study with him
further. And yet a great number of people did
just that.

Now in this case the teacher changed his approach
later in his life, and started making claims about
being better than others. But I think he was onto
something during this earlier period of his teaching.
When asked about his approach at that time, he used 
the metaphor of spiritual bookstores.

You walk into one and you're surrounded by ideas.
They're in each of the books around you, presented
as best they could be by the holders of those ideas. 
You pick up a book, browse through it, and you're 
exposed to the writer's ideas. And you either
resonate with those ideas or you don't.

If you don't, plop! there goes the book back on the
shelf. If you do, you might buy it and take it home
and read it. The fact that you read it doesn't
mean that you'll believe all the ideas in the book
and sign up as an ardent supporter of those ideas
because you read the book. All it means is that you
were open enough to expose yourself to the ideas.

And, from the other side, the writer is not really
*pushing* those ideas on you, is he? He's just
making them available, putting them up on a shelf
where they might catch the eye of some seeker who
might appreciate them. 

I always liked this metaphor. When it came time for
me to teach classes again in meditation, long after
I'd walked away from the TM movement and its style
of presentation, I tried to use it as the metaphor
for how I presented things. I just laid out what I
had to say as best I could, taught the techniques
of meditation that I was teaching for free, and 
then said, Good night. Thank you for coming.

I'm rambling, on a rainy day here in France, but I
guess that all I really have to say is that this
spiritual bookstore metaphor might be a good one
to keep in mind on spiritual talk forums such as
this one. Everyone here has ideas. Everyone here
is a writer. Their posts are their books, the
things that contain their ideas. Fairfield Life
is just a bookstore, in which these idea-books
are displayed on shelves.

Isn't writing the idea-books enough? People are
either going to resonate with the ideas or they're
not. *Whether* they resonate with your ideas or not
isn't really going to affect you much one way or 
another unless you believe it will. If you believe 
that someone disagreeing with your idea-books dimin-
ishes you somehow, and you start arguing for the 
supremacy of your ideas, in most cases all you do 
is diminish the ideas themselves, and make it all 
about *you*, your ego, your small s self.

The small s self already had its say, in the first
post, in the first idea-book it placed on the shelf.
If that didn't strike a resonance with readers, well
by all means try, try again, if you feel that the
idea has merit. Write another post about the *ideas*.
Maybe you'll express the ideas better this time,
and more people will find a resonance in them. 

But when you start arguing for the essential right-
ness or the essential correctness or better-ness 
of your idea-books, you're kinda introducing the
concept of the high-pressure used car salesman into
an environment in which it doesn't belong. Can you
*imagine* how you'd react if you wandered into a
spiritual bookstore and some 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Spiritual bookstores as a metaphor for spiritual forums

2007-05-31 Thread Lsoma
 
In a message dated 5/31/2007 8:27:06 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
 
 The information is enlightening. It speaks volumes in regards to  saying 
yes to every experience in life.
However, it is tough to live up to this in a capitalistic society where you  
are expected to pay your rent or mortgage on time. If your ideas don't sell 
then  how can you pay your bills. When I worked for Deepak Chorpra I saw his 
own 
 struggle with this. He is one of the best at selling ideas to the public 
that  make book sales improve in order to keep his contract with his publishers 
and a  working relationship with his agent. We have built a financial world  
around us which doesn't allow for spiritual development because  we depend so 
much on others buying our ideas. We become educated in  order to be better idea 
people so we can have financial freedom at the cost of  not surrendering our 
need for approval or just being in the moment of expression  rather than 
thinking how can I get something out of this for myself (little  mind) in order 
to 
survive comfortably in a physical world. 
 
And we could have the most valuable message for people on how to live a  
happier life but it could be completely ignored if it doesn't resonate with 
what  
is in style because most people don't know how to think from inside of  
themselves. They follow the crowd. The bottom line is that it is very difficult 
 to 
live a spiritual life in the mist of structure. Many of us have chosen to be  
a part of this struggle by incarnating on this planet and leaving behind a 
much  more open minded culture. My memories of being with my culture 
(Pleiadian) 
is so  ideal most people think that I'm hallucinating when I talk about it. 
The free  exchange of  energy that our economy is based is sharing subtle  
energy in order to expand. No one is left behind and no one is judged by how  
much 
more they have since we see everyone as having the same opportunities to  have 
as much as they need without lack of energy and intelligence. I pray that  
this planet can allow this type of a system to manifest over the next seven  
years by 2014. It would help everyone to relax more and flow with divine  
intelligence rather than having to worry all of the time if others will except  
my 
ideas because I need to pay the rent or eat today. In other words, even if  
people don't enjoy your ideas you can still pay the rent and eat. This is every 
 
artists dream also along with many souls that have chosen to do spiritual work. 
 Just a few thoughts. 
 
Thanks for the information you provided because it resonates with so many  
people on the spiritual path and you are giving people some profound 
information 
 that helps them to say-It's OK that I'm not always excepted for my ideas. 
Ask  the people who are famous for there ideas and you find out that they can 
have  anything they want materially but their is a price to pay spiritually for 
 
selling out on your ideas to please your audience. And most of the pleasing 
is  to keep a few wealthy families rich who don't care if your come down with 
aids  or cancer and have nothing left to pay your mortgage with. They will 
foreclose  your home and take the rest of you with them. But, in galactic 
cultures 
we will  love you even more if your in trouble and provide love and joy to 
the  experience so no one is seperated from the collective idea of  inspiring 
on 
the basis of giving. There are no ideas to sell in the higer  dimensions. 
Just love to give without needing to own anything or  anyone. Lsoma. 
 

 
 
 
We live in a world in which many of the conflicts
around us are based  (IMO) on ideas, and on *how*
those ideas are communicated to others. Some  on
this planet clearly feel that their ideas are so
right that they  have the duty to convince 
others of their rightness. Think religious  
fanatics who actively attempt to convert others 
to their beliefs.  Think those who believe that
their particular beliefs or form of  meditation
or prayer or worship should be mandated, made 
into a law,  and imposed on everyone for their 
own good. Think even those who seem  compelled 
to react to any idea that is in conflict with 
their own  ideas as an attack, or an excuse for 
an argument in which they can  prove the super-
iority of their ideas.

Does that seem  *respectful* to you? Does that
seem like the most effective manner in which  one
can present one's spiritual ideas to others?

It doesn't to me.  There is a metaphor that, for
me, presents a somewhat cooler way of  presenting 
one's ideas to others -- just *present* them and 
then see  whether anyone has an interest in them. 
If so, and the other person asks  to hear more, 
explain more. If not, cool. The ideas have been  
presented, made available. 

A teacher I used to work with never  used the 
hard sell in his public talks. He never sug-
gested in those  talks that he or his ideas were 
better than any other teacher or any  other