[FairfieldLife] TM is not a religion (was Re: times of upcoming Pujas in Meru)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shukra69 shukr...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5 dhamiltony2k5@ wrote: Thanks, it looks all very interlocking. I did not see John Hagelin's or David Lynch's name at that level. Are they not included anymore? Coordinating? Hagelin and Lynch over in the Americas trying to re-open a secular non-sectarian TM must feel like they are being broad- side torpedoed by the Holland TM-movement. Nope they are all on the same page entirely. If that is true, I'm looking forward to David Lynch filming his and Hagelin's participation in a yagya praying to *COWS* and putting it up on his TM is not a religion DLF website. That should be a hoot. :-)
[FairfieldLife] TM is not a religion (was Re: times of upcoming Pujas in Meru)
do.rflex wrote: To the glory of the Lord I bow down again and again... So, you did make a pledge. From: John Manning Subject: Re: What's wrong with TM? Newsgroups: alt.meditation.transcendental Date: 2003-06-26 15:46:39 PST No one gave me any pledge to sign.
[FairfieldLife] TM is not a religion (was Re: times of upcoming Pujas in Meru)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_re...@... wrote: snip Jews believe in a God who is an old man with a hoary white beard dispensing punishment to people who do horrible things like using the same kitchen to prepare meat and milk dishes. Catholics believe not only in a big male God with a hoary beard, but that he has by his side his son, whom God killed savagely for their sins, and whose blood and flesh they symbol- ically consume every Sunday in church. But these people are at least HONEST about their religious beliefs and practices. TMers attend these yagyas, pray to Hindu gods and goddesses and try to bribe them into bestowing favors on them, and then go out and give an intro lecture or talk to a school system and tell them with a straight face that the TMO is promoting no religious practices. Not only is this hypocritical to the max, it is cowardly and spineless. It's *OK* to believe in supernatural beings; what's less OK is to believe in them and lie about it. Barry egregiously *misrepresents* Judaism and Christianity, demonstrates the *most* shallow understanding of the TMO's yagyas, and then compliments adherents of the two former for acknowledging beliefs they don't hold and accuses practitioners of the latter of being hypocrites for not acknowledging their alleged belief in his own misunderstandings. Nice work. The Victor Stenger of FFL.
[FairfieldLife] TM is not a religion (was Re: times of upcoming Pujas in Meru)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5 dhamiltony...@... wrote: Om, thanks for the clarification. What part of the official Transcendental Meditation movement is behind scheduling these things? Maharishi University of Management, The David Lynch Foundation, The Indian TM movement, The TM Global Country with its Rajas, Raja Emmanuel and Bevan? John Hagelin? Thank you for pointing out the oversight in my previous clarifications, Doug. Yes, I did leave out the definition of one term, MERU. That stands for Maharishi European Research University, the official home of the TM movement in Holland. Here is what it looks like: Thanks, it looks all very interlocking. I did not see John Hagelin's or David Lynch's name at that level. Are they not included anymore? Coordinating? Hagelin and Lynch over in the Americas trying to re-open a secular non-sectarian TM must feel like they are being broad-side torpedoed by the Holland TM-movement. [http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/0e/MERU,_Vlodrop,_Holla\ nd_(thumbnail).jpg] And here's an interesting Web page that talks about a conference at MERU that in fact uses the same non-religious image of Dhanvantari that I used in my clarification post. http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://i125.photobucket.com/album\ s/p66/dubrovnikpeace/dhanvantari.jpgimgrefurl=http://blogs.myspace.com/\ index.cfm%3Ffuseaction%3Dblog.view%26friendId%3D83182852%26blogId%3D4457\ 35435usg=__d4tfZsoJUOE5T-PZBwKjQC5wuyE=h=442w=273sz=17hl=enstart=5\ um=1tbnid=TX2u21ccPLqJAM:tbnh=127tbnw=78prev=/images%3Fq%3DMERU%2BH\ olland%26hl%3Den%26sa%3DN%26um%3D1 http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://i125.photobucket.com/albu\ ms/p66/dubrovnikpeace/dhanvantari.jpgimgrefurl=http://blogs.myspace.com\ /index.cfm%3Ffuseaction%3Dblog.view%26friendId%3D83182852%26blogId%3D445\ 735435usg=__d4tfZsoJUOE5T-PZBwKjQC5wuyE=h=442w=273sz=17hl=enstart=\ 5um=1tbnid=TX2u21ccPLqJAM:tbnh=127tbnw=78prev=/images%3Fq%3DMERU%2B\ Holland%26hl%3Den%26sa%3DN%26um%3D1 Thank you for helping me to clear up all these misconceptions that the TMO is either a religion or promoting religious practices. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: For lurkers who may not be familiar with the non-religious names and terms used in this announcement: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, michael vedamerlin@ wrote: Betreff: time of upcoming Pujas in Holland PÅ«jÄ (Devanagari http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Devanagari : पà¥à¤à¤¾) (alternative transliteration http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transliteration Pooja http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pooja , Sanskrit http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sanskrit : reverence http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reverence , honour http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Honour , adoration http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adoration , or worship http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Worship ) is a ceremony of gratitude or a religious http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religion ritual http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ritual performed as an offering to various deities, distinguished persons, or special guests. It is done on a variety of occasions and settings, from daily puja done in the home, to temple ceremonies and large festivals, or to begin a new venture. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Puja_%28Hinduism%29#cite_note-Gale-0 Puja is modeled on the idea of giving a gift or offering to a deity or important person and receiving their blessing. - Wikipedia Here are the likely starting times (Holland time) of Rashtra Geet at the beginning of the upcoming grand global Pujas: 15 October, Dhanvantari Puja: 13:30h Dhanvantari (incarnation of the Hindu god Vishnu -- It is common practice in Hinduism for worshipers to pray to Lord Dhanvantari seeking his blessings for sound health for themselves and/or others. - Wikipedia): [http://deshika.files.wordpress.com/2007/11/dhanvantari3.gif] 16 October, Hanuman Puja: 14:00h Hanuman (personification of bhakti http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bhakti [devotion to God] in Hinduism): [http://9dozen.files.wordpress.com/2008/12/hanuman12.jpg] 17 October, Mahalakshmi Puja: 15:50h Lakshmi (Hindu http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hindu goddess http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Goddess of wealth http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wealth , prosperity, wisdom, fortune): [http://www.samhainmoon.com/uploaded_images/lakshmi-769689.jpg] Jai Guru Dev a
[FairfieldLife] TM is not a religion (was Re: times of upcoming Pujas in Meru)
Just curious: Are yifuxero and do.rflex the same person? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, do.rflex do.rf...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jpgillam jpgillam@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, yifuxero wrote: Of course the TM Puja is religious!! How ridiculous and disingenuous to say otherwise. yifuxero, if you don't mind my asking, what is your basis for saying the puja is religious? I mean, do you see gods when you sing the puja, or something? The word puja itself means worship. Do you know the actual translation of the TM puja, jpgillam? Here are a few examples from the text: To the glory of the Lord I bow down again and again, at whose door the whole galaxy of gods pray for perfection day and night. White as camphor, the incarnation of kindness, the essence of creation garlanded by the Serpent-King. Ever dwelling in the lotus of my heart, LORD SHIVA WITH MOTHER DIVINE to him I bow down. GURU in the glory of BRAHMA, GURU in the glory of VISHNU, GURU in the glory of the great LORD SHIVA, GURU in the glory of the personified transcendental fullness of BRAHMAN, to Him, to SHRI GURU DEV adorned with glory, I bow down. - - No rational, honest person can say that the above isn't religious. I mean, do you see gods when you sing the puja, or something? Some TM teachers indeed say that they have. I have directly perceived Guru Dev during the TM puja.
[FairfieldLife] TM is not a religion (was Re: times of upcoming Pujas in Meru)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jpgillam jpgil...@... wrote: Just curious: Are yifuxero and do.rflex the same person? Of course not. This is however an open group forum to discuss the topics at hand. Whether TM and it's required puja are religious is, and has been an ongoing and in my view, very significant subject of discussion here. As it is, yifuxero still has offered no response and I've offered what realistically seems to be the obvious answer. Perhaps you didn't like the answer I gave. If so, I'd be happy to know why and discuss that with you. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, do.rflex do.rflex@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jpgillam jpgillam@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, yifuxero wrote: Of course the TM Puja is religious!! How ridiculous and disingenuous to say otherwise. yifuxero, if you don't mind my asking, what is your basis for saying the puja is religious? I mean, do you see gods when you sing the puja, or something? The word puja itself means worship. Do you know the actual translation of the TM puja, jpgillam? Here are a few examples from the text: To the glory of the Lord I bow down again and again, at whose door the whole galaxy of gods pray for perfection day and night. White as camphor, the incarnation of kindness, the essence of creation garlanded by the Serpent-King. Ever dwelling in the lotus of my heart, LORD SHIVA WITH MOTHER DIVINE to him I bow down. GURU in the glory of BRAHMA, GURU in the glory of VISHNU, GURU in the glory of the great LORD SHIVA, GURU in the glory of the personified transcendental fullness of BRAHMAN, to Him, to SHRI GURU DEV adorned with glory, I bow down. - - No rational, honest person can say that the above isn't religious. I mean, do you see gods when you sing the puja, or something? Some TM teachers indeed say that they have. I have directly perceived Guru Dev during the TM puja.
[FairfieldLife] TM is not a religion (was Re: times of upcoming Pujas in Meru)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5 dhamiltony...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5 dhamiltony2k5@ wrote: Om, thanks for the clarification. What part of the official Transcendental Meditation movement is behind scheduling these things? Maharishi University of Management, The David Lynch Foundation, The Indian TM movement, The TM Global Country with its Rajas, Raja Emmanuel and Bevan? John Hagelin? Thank you for pointing out the oversight in my previous clarifications, Doug. Yes, I did leave out the definition of one term, MERU. That stands for Maharishi European Research University, the official home of the TM movement in Holland. Here is what it looks like: Thanks, it looks all very interlocking. I did not see John Hagelin's or David Lynch's name at that level. Are they not included anymore? Coordinating? Hagelin and Lynch over in the Americas trying to re-open a secular non-sectarian TM must feel like they are being broad-side torpedoed by the Holland TM-movement. Nope they are all on the same page entirely. [http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/0e/MERU,_Vlodrop,_Holla\ nd_(thumbnail).jpg] And here's an interesting Web page that talks about a conference at MERU that in fact uses the same non-religious image of Dhanvantari that I used in my clarification post. http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://i125.photobucket.com/album\ s/p66/dubrovnikpeace/dhanvantari.jpgimgrefurl=http://blogs.myspace.com/\ index.cfm%3Ffuseaction%3Dblog.view%26friendId%3D83182852%26blogId%3D4457\ 35435usg=__d4tfZsoJUOE5T-PZBwKjQC5wuyE=h=442w=273sz=17hl=enstart=5\ um=1tbnid=TX2u21ccPLqJAM:tbnh=127tbnw=78prev=/images%3Fq%3DMERU%2BH\ olland%26hl%3Den%26sa%3DN%26um%3D1 http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://i125.photobucket.com/albu\ ms/p66/dubrovnikpeace/dhanvantari.jpgimgrefurl=http://blogs.myspace.com\ /index.cfm%3Ffuseaction%3Dblog.view%26friendId%3D83182852%26blogId%3D445\ 735435usg=__d4tfZsoJUOE5T-PZBwKjQC5wuyE=h=442w=273sz=17hl=enstart=\ 5um=1tbnid=TX2u21ccPLqJAM:tbnh=127tbnw=78prev=/images%3Fq%3DMERU%2B\ Holland%26hl%3Den%26sa%3DN%26um%3D1 Thank you for helping me to clear up all these misconceptions that the TMO is either a religion or promoting religious practices. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: For lurkers who may not be familiar with the non-religious names and terms used in this announcement: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, michael vedamerlin@ wrote: Betreff: time of upcoming Pujas in Holland PÅ«jÄ (Devanagari http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Devanagari : पà¥à¤à¤¾) (alternative transliteration http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transliteration Pooja http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pooja , Sanskrit http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sanskrit : reverence http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reverence , honour http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Honour , adoration http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adoration , or worship http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Worship ) is a ceremony of gratitude or a religious http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religion ritual http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ritual performed as an offering to various deities, distinguished persons, or special guests. It is done on a variety of occasions and settings, from daily puja done in the home, to temple ceremonies and large festivals, or to begin a new venture. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Puja_%28Hinduism%29#cite_note-Gale-0 Puja is modeled on the idea of giving a gift or offering to a deity or important person and receiving their blessing. - Wikipedia Here are the likely starting times (Holland time) of Rashtra Geet at the beginning of the upcoming grand global Pujas: 15 October, Dhanvantari Puja: 13:30h Dhanvantari (incarnation of the Hindu god Vishnu -- It is common practice in Hinduism for worshipers to pray to Lord Dhanvantari seeking his blessings for sound health for themselves and/or others. - Wikipedia): [http://deshika.files.wordpress.com/2007/11/dhanvantari3.gif] 16 October, Hanuman Puja: 14:00h Hanuman (personification of bhakti http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bhakti [devotion to God] in Hinduism): [http://9dozen.files.wordpress.com/2008/12/hanuman12.jpg] 17 October, Mahalakshmi Puja: 15:50h Lakshmi (Hindu http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hindu goddess http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Goddess of wealth http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wealth , prosperity, wisdom, fortune): [http://www.samhainmoon.com/uploaded_images/lakshmi-769689.jpg]
[FairfieldLife] TM is not a religion (was Re: times of upcoming Pujas in Meru)
Do.rflex, I was not being snarky in my question. I was not questioning your right to respond. I just wanted to know who was answering my question. I don't, as a rule, read your posts, so I'm not familiar with you. I believe there are one or two people in this forum who post under multiple names, and I wanted to know if you were one of them. Thanks for clarifying. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, do.rflex do.rf...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jpgillam jpgillam@ wrote: Just curious: Are yifuxero and do.rflex the same person? Of course not. This is however an open group forum to discuss the topics at hand. Whether TM and it's required puja are religious is, and has been an ongoing and in my view, very significant subject of discussion here. As it is, yifuxero still has offered no response and I've offered what realistically seems to be the obvious answer. Perhaps you didn't like the answer I gave. If so, I'd be happy to know why and discuss that with you. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, do.rflex do.rflex@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jpgillam jpgillam@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, yifuxero wrote: Of course the TM Puja is religious!! How ridiculous and disingenuous to say otherwise. yifuxero, if you don't mind my asking, what is your basis for saying the puja is religious? I mean, do you see gods when you sing the puja, or something? The word puja itself means worship. Do you know the actual translation of the TM puja, jpgillam? Here are a few examples from the text: To the glory of the Lord I bow down again and again, at whose door the whole galaxy of gods pray for perfection day and night. White as camphor, the incarnation of kindness, the essence of creation garlanded by the Serpent-King. Ever dwelling in the lotus of my heart, LORD SHIVA WITH MOTHER DIVINE to him I bow down. GURU in the glory of BRAHMA, GURU in the glory of VISHNU, GURU in the glory of the great LORD SHIVA, GURU in the glory of the personified transcendental fullness of BRAHMAN, to Him, to SHRI GURU DEV adorned with glory, I bow down. - - No rational, honest person can say that the above isn't religious. I mean, do you see gods when you sing the puja, or something? Some TM teachers indeed say that they have. I have directly perceived Guru Dev during the TM puja.
[FairfieldLife] TM is not a religion (was Re: times of upcoming Pujas in Meru)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jpgillam jpgil...@... wrote: Do.rflex, I was not being snarky in my question. I was not questioning your right to respond. I just wanted to know who was answering my question. I don't, as a rule, read your posts, so I'm not familiar with you. I believe there are one or two people in this forum who post under multiple names, and I wanted to know if you were one of them. Thanks for clarifying. You're welcome. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, do.rflex do.rflex@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jpgillam jpgillam@ wrote: Just curious: Are yifuxero and do.rflex the same person? Of course not. This is however an open group forum to discuss the topics at hand. Whether TM and it's required puja are religious is, and has been an ongoing and in my view, very significant subject of discussion here. As it is, yifuxero still has offered no response and I've offered what realistically seems to be the obvious answer. Perhaps you didn't like the answer I gave. If so, I'd be happy to know why and discuss that with you. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, do.rflex do.rflex@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jpgillam jpgillam@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, yifuxero wrote: Of course the TM Puja is religious!! How ridiculous and disingenuous to say otherwise. yifuxero, if you don't mind my asking, what is your basis for saying the puja is religious? I mean, do you see gods when you sing the puja, or something? The word puja itself means worship. Do you know the actual translation of the TM puja, jpgillam? Here are a few examples from the text: To the glory of the Lord I bow down again and again, at whose door the whole galaxy of gods pray for perfection day and night. White as camphor, the incarnation of kindness, the essence of creation garlanded by the Serpent-King. Ever dwelling in the lotus of my heart, LORD SHIVA WITH MOTHER DIVINE to him I bow down. GURU in the glory of BRAHMA, GURU in the glory of VISHNU, GURU in the glory of the great LORD SHIVA, GURU in the glory of the personified transcendental fullness of BRAHMAN, to Him, to SHRI GURU DEV adorned with glory, I bow down. - - No rational, honest person can say that the above isn't religious. I mean, do you see gods when you sing the puja, or something? Some TM teachers indeed say that they have. I have directly perceived Guru Dev during the TM puja.
[FairfieldLife] TM is not a religion (was Re: times of upcoming Pujas in Meru)
No problema. No. do.rflex is John, lives in Rio? I live in San Diego. btw recent crime spree in Rio, doesn't give Rio a very good image for the Olympics. I'm a supporter of religious principles and practices, whatever persuasion; but historically, Fundies have caused of the world's problems during the last couple of thousand years. For example: I support Jerry J's efforts to promote TM in prisons; but don't feel that silent mediation will be enough to protect people. Various group and cultural forces are far stronger than the benefits to be obtained from silent meditation, in such places. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jpgillam jpgil...@... wrote: Just curious: Are yifuxero and do.rflex the same person? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, do.rflex do.rflex@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jpgillam jpgillam@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, yifuxero wrote: Of course the TM Puja is religious!! How ridiculous and disingenuous to say otherwise. yifuxero, if you don't mind my asking, what is your basis for saying the puja is religious? I mean, do you see gods when you sing the puja, or something? The word puja itself means worship. Do you know the actual translation of the TM puja, jpgillam? Here are a few examples from the text: To the glory of the Lord I bow down again and again, at whose door the whole galaxy of gods pray for perfection day and night. White as camphor, the incarnation of kindness, the essence of creation garlanded by the Serpent-King. Ever dwelling in the lotus of my heart, LORD SHIVA WITH MOTHER DIVINE to him I bow down. GURU in the glory of BRAHMA, GURU in the glory of VISHNU, GURU in the glory of the great LORD SHIVA, GURU in the glory of the personified transcendental fullness of BRAHMAN, to Him, to SHRI GURU DEV adorned with glory, I bow down. - - No rational, honest person can say that the above isn't religious. I mean, do you see gods when you sing the puja, or something? Some TM teachers indeed say that they have. I have directly perceived Guru Dev during the TM puja.
[FairfieldLife] TM is not a religion (was Re: times of upcoming Pujas in Meru)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5 dhamiltony...@... wrote: Michael, you seem on the ground there. Who schedules and who coordinates these things? Does it come from movement Raja's sitting in parliament declaring the movement should do these yagya things and promote them? Or does this kind of seeming new public policy happen to come from smaller exec. committee? Select Rajas or some Purusaha operating on their own enthusiastic initiative? Just wondering. I have heard that such decisions about yagyas and other similar practices are made by the Ministry Of Hypocrisy, which is a division of the Ministry Of Redundancy Ministry. Om, thanks for the clarification. What part of the official Transcendental Meditation movement is behind scheduling these things? Maharishi University of Management, The David Lynch Foundation, The Indian TM movement, The TM Global Country with its Rajas, Raja Emmanuel and Bevan? John Hagelin? Thank you for pointing out the oversight in my previous clarifications, Doug. Yes, I did leave out the definition of one term, MERU. That stands for Maharishi European Research University, the official home of the TM movement in Holland. Here is what it looks like: Thanks, it looks all very interlocking. I did not see John Hagelin's or David Lynch's name at that level. Are they not included anymore? [http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/0e/MERU,_Vlodrop,_Holla\ nd_(thumbnail).jpg] And here's an interesting Web page that talks about a conference at MERU that in fact uses the same non-religious image of Dhanvantari that I used in my clarification post. http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://i125.photobucket.com/album\ s/p66/dubrovnikpeace/dhanvantari.jpgimgrefurl=http://blogs.myspace.com/\ index.cfm%3Ffuseaction%3Dblog.view%26friendId%3D83182852%26blogId%3D4457\ 35435usg=__d4tfZsoJUOE5T-PZBwKjQC5wuyE=h=442w=273sz=17hl=enstart=5\ um=1tbnid=TX2u21ccPLqJAM:tbnh=127tbnw=78prev=/images%3Fq%3DMERU%2BH\ olland%26hl%3Den%26sa%3DN%26um%3D1 http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://i125.photobucket.com/albu\ ms/p66/dubrovnikpeace/dhanvantari.jpgimgrefurl=http://blogs.myspace.com\ /index.cfm%3Ffuseaction%3Dblog.view%26friendId%3D83182852%26blogId%3D445\ 735435usg=__d4tfZsoJUOE5T-PZBwKjQC5wuyE=h=442w=273sz=17hl=enstart=\ 5um=1tbnid=TX2u21ccPLqJAM:tbnh=127tbnw=78prev=/images%3Fq%3DMERU%2B\ Holland%26hl%3Den%26sa%3DN%26um%3D1 Thank you for helping me to clear up all these misconceptions that the TMO is either a religion or promoting religious practices. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: For lurkers who may not be familiar with the non-religious names and terms used in this announcement: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, michael vedamerlin@ wrote: Betreff: time of upcoming Pujas in Holland PÅ«jÄ (Devanagari http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Devanagari : पà¥à¤à¤¾) (alternative transliteration http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transliteration Pooja http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pooja , Sanskrit http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sanskrit : reverence http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reverence , honour http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Honour , adoration http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adoration , or worship http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Worship ) is a ceremony of gratitude or a religious http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religion ritual http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ritual performed as an offering to various deities, distinguished persons, or special guests. It is done on a variety of occasions and settings, from daily puja done in the home, to temple ceremonies and large festivals, or to begin a new venture. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Puja_%28Hinduism%29#cite_note-Gale-0 Puja is modeled on the idea of giving a gift or offering to a deity or important person and receiving their blessing. - Wikipedia Here are the likely starting times (Holland time) of Rashtra Geet at the beginning of the upcoming grand global Pujas: 15 October, Dhanvantari Puja: 13:30h Dhanvantari (incarnation of the Hindu god Vishnu -- It is common practice in Hinduism for worshipers to pray to Lord Dhanvantari seeking his blessings for sound health for themselves and/or others. - Wikipedia): [http://deshika.files.wordpress.com/2007/11/dhanvantari3.gif] 16 October, Hanuman Puja: 14:00h Hanuman (personification of bhakti http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bhakti [devotion to God] in Hinduism): [http://9dozen.files.wordpress.com/2008/12/hanuman12.jpg]
[FairfieldLife] TM is not a religion (was Re: times of upcoming Pujas in Meru)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5 dhamiltony...@... wrote: Michael, you seem on the ground there. Who schedules and who coordinates these things? Does it come from movement Raja's sitting in parliament declaring the movement should do these yagya things and promote them? Or does this kind of seeming new public policy happen to come from smaller exec. committee? Select Rajas or some Purusaha operating on their own enthusiastic initiative? Just wondering. According to the Marshy channel the vedic calendar wasn't written by man but by nature itself. What this means, or perhaps what they *think* it means, is that certain days and times of the year are more powerful than others for certain things you may want to do. Aspects of natural law are allegedly enlivened by conjunctions of planets against a randomly chosen background of stars. At these times you can chant Indian hymns (apparently present somewhere in the quantum field but you won't be hearing about it from CERN very much) to give you more luck in your endeavours, create world peace, even improve your health and get a better job. It's got nothing to do with us, they say, it's just part of the great unfolding cosmic plan. All you need to work out this divinely inspired schedule is a model of the solar system with Earth at the centre being orbitted by the sun and planets but with some of the outer planets missing - the ancients didn't have telescopes and didn't know there was anything beyond Saturn you see but it can't affect the overall predictions can it? Cheekily, when you see astrology on the channel they always say The nine planets as though they are including them all when they are using four of the nodes of the moon to make up the numbers. They even have a model of the brain with the planets and moon-nodes linked to the areas they affect even though it don't addd up with what's out there! Chortle. A cynic might say that they are just praying to the Gods and mixing it up with sciencey-sounding phrases to con the unwary into thinking it has some sort of rational basis. The evidence is that believers are going to be a bit more likely to cough-up the readies if it comes from a world renowned phycisist. And, let's face it, this stuff aint cheap. I'm not a cynic though and I prefer to judge things on whether or not they actually work.. Still waiting. JGD, -D in FF Om, thanks for the clarification. What part of the official Transcendental Meditation movement is behind scheduling these things? Maharishi University of Management, The David Lynch Foundation, The Indian TM movement, The TM Global Country with its Rajas, Raja Emmanuel and Bevan? John Hagelin? Thank you for pointing out the oversight in my previous clarifications, Doug. Yes, I did leave out the definition of one term, MERU. That stands for Maharishi European Research University, the official home of the TM movement in Holland. Here is what it looks like: Thanks, it looks all very interlocking. I did not see John Hagelin's or David Lynch's name at that level. Are they not included anymore? [http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/0e/MERU,_Vlodrop,_Holla\ nd_(thumbnail).jpg] And here's an interesting Web page that talks about a conference at MERU that in fact uses the same non-religious image of Dhanvantari that I used in my clarification post. http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://i125.photobucket.com/album\ s/p66/dubrovnikpeace/dhanvantari.jpgimgrefurl=http://blogs.myspace.com/\ index.cfm%3Ffuseaction%3Dblog.view%26friendId%3D83182852%26blogId%3D4457\ 35435usg=__d4tfZsoJUOE5T-PZBwKjQC5wuyE=h=442w=273sz=17hl=enstart=5\ um=1tbnid=TX2u21ccPLqJAM:tbnh=127tbnw=78prev=/images%3Fq%3DMERU%2BH\ olland%26hl%3Den%26sa%3DN%26um%3D1 http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://i125.photobucket.com/albu\ ms/p66/dubrovnikpeace/dhanvantari.jpgimgrefurl=http://blogs.myspace.com\ /index.cfm%3Ffuseaction%3Dblog.view%26friendId%3D83182852%26blogId%3D445\ 735435usg=__d4tfZsoJUOE5T-PZBwKjQC5wuyE=h=442w=273sz=17hl=enstart=\ 5um=1tbnid=TX2u21ccPLqJAM:tbnh=127tbnw=78prev=/images%3Fq%3DMERU%2B\ Holland%26hl%3Den%26sa%3DN%26um%3D1 Thank you for helping me to clear up all these misconceptions that the TMO is either a religion or promoting religious practices. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: For lurkers who may not be familiar with the non-religious names and terms used in this announcement: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, michael vedamerlin@ wrote: Betreff: time of upcoming Pujas in Holland PÅ«jÄ (Devanagari http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Devanagari : पà¥à¤à¤¾) (alternative transliteration
[FairfieldLife] TM is not a religion (was Re: times of upcoming Pujas in Meru)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Hugo richardhughes...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@ wrote: These sound like scientific procedures to me! Are they from a book on Quantum Physics? Chuckle. It's a source of endless amusement to me that the TMO insist that its use of Hindu deities in rituals is something to do with them being aspects of natural law. I'm not sure I'm amused by it after four decades. For me it brings up feelings of sadness at the sheer SPINELESSNESS of long-term TMers. They are still defending the TM is not a religion meme WHILE attending TMO-sponsored yagyas that make offerings to *specific* Hindu deities. IMO it's *just fine* to believe in a bunch of gods and goddesses and to believe that they are so petty and vain that they would be swayed into bestowing favors on humans stupid enough to offer them rice and ghee. It's superstition, but hey! *lots* of people on this rock are superstitious. Jews believe in a God who is an old man with a hoary white beard dispensing punishment to people who do horrible things like using the same kitchen to prepare meat and milk dishes. Catholics believe not only in a big male God with a hoary beard, but that he has by his side his son, whom God killed savagely for their sins, and whose blood and flesh they symbol- ically consume every Sunday in church. But these people are at least HONEST about their religious beliefs and practices. TMers attend these yagyas, pray to Hindu gods and goddesses and try to bribe them into bestowing favors on them, and then go out and give an intro lecture or talk to a school system and tell them with a straight face that the TMO is promoting no religious practices. Not only is this hypocritical to the max, it is cowardly and spineless. It's *OK* to believe in supernatural beings; what's less OK is to believe in them and lie about it.
[FairfieldLife] TM is not a religion (was Re: times of upcoming Pujas in Meru)
Nablusoss, someone was telling me this morning in a line in FF while waiting for coffee that Tony Nadar recently gave an excellent lecture explaining the science of the devata nature. Said it was a very good talk. Demystifying. Is that linked on the global family chats? Or somewhere? Just wondering. JGD, Doug in FF --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_re...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Hugo richardhughes103@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@ wrote: These sound like scientific procedures to me! Are they from a book on Quantum Physics? Chuckle. It's a source of endless amusement to me that the TMO insist that its use of Hindu deities in rituals is something to do with them being aspects of natural law. I'm not sure I'm amused by it after four decades. For me it brings up feelings of sadness at the sheer SPINELESSNESS of long-term TMers. They are still defending the TM is not a religion meme WHILE attending TMO-sponsored yagyas that make offerings to *specific* Hindu deities. IMO it's *just fine* to believe in a bunch of gods and goddesses and to believe that they are so petty and vain that they would be swayed into bestowing favors on humans stupid enough to offer them rice and ghee. It's superstition, but hey! *lots* of people on this rock are superstitious. Jews believe in a God who is an old man with a hoary white beard dispensing punishment to people who do horrible things like using the same kitchen to prepare meat and milk dishes. Catholics believe not only in a big male God with a hoary beard, but that he has by his side his son, whom God killed savagely for their sins, and whose blood and flesh they symbol- ically consume every Sunday in church. But these people are at least HONEST about their religious beliefs and practices. TMers attend these yagyas, pray to Hindu gods and goddesses and try to bribe them into bestowing favors on them, and then go out and give an intro lecture or talk to a school system and tell them with a straight face that the TMO is promoting no religious practices. Not only is this hypocritical to the max, it is cowardly and spineless. It's *OK* to believe in supernatural beings; what's less OK is to believe in them and lie about it.
[FairfieldLife] TM is not a religion (was Re: times of upcoming Pujas in Meru)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, yifuxero wrote: Of course the TM Puja is religious!! How ridiculous and disingenuous to say otherwise. yifuxero, if you don't mind my asking, what is your basis for saying the puja is religious? I mean, do you see gods when you sing the puja, or something?
Re: [FairfieldLife] TM is not a religion (was Re: times of upcoming Pujas in Meru)
Uh, maybe because it is Diwali? All they are doing is some traditional pujas that many Indians perform at this time. Maharishi was not good at teaching these traditions or protocols. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diwali My teacher told me to get some clay pots for oil lamps. Fortunately the local Indian grocery was selling them. I already had some red candles from a previous Diwali. dhamiltony2k5 wrote: Om, thanks for the clarification. What part of the official Ttranscendental Meditation movement is behind scheduling these things? Maharishi University of Management, The David Lynch Foundation, The Indian TM movement, The TM Global Country with its Rajas, Raja Emmanuel and Bevan? John Hagelin? JGD, -D in FF --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_re...@... wrote: For lurkers who may not be familiar with the non-religious names and terms used in this announcement: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, michael vedamerlin@ wrote: Betreff: time of upcoming Pujas in Holland Pūj� (Devanagari http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Devanagari : पूजा) (alternative transliteration http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transliteration Pooja http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pooja , Sanskrit http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sanskrit : reverence http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reverence , honour http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Honour , adoration http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adoration , or worship http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Worship ) is a ceremony of gratitude or a religious http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religion ritual http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ritual performed as an offering to various deities, distinguished persons, or special guests. It is done on a variety of occasions and settings, from daily puja done in the home, to temple ceremonies and large festivals, or to begin a new venture. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Puja_%28Hinduism%29#cite_note-Gale-0 Puja is modeled on the idea of giving a gift or offering to a deity or important person and receiving their blessing. - Wikipedia Here are the likely starting times (Holland time) of Rashtra Geet at the beginning of the upcoming grand global Pujas: 15 October, Dhanvantari Puja: 13:30h Dhanvantari (incarnation of the Hindu god Vishnu -- It is common practice in Hinduism for worshipers to pray to Lord Dhanvantari seeking his blessings for sound health for themselves and/or others. - Wikipedia): [http://deshika.files.wordpress.com/2007/11/dhanvantari3.gif] 16 October, Hanuman Puja: 14:00h Hanuman (personification of bhakti http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bhakti [devotion to God] in Hinduism): [http://9dozen.files.wordpress.com/2008/12/hanuman12.jpg] 17 October, Mahalakshmi Puja: 15:50h Lakshmi (Hindu http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hindu goddess http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Goddess of wealth http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wealth , prosperity, wisdom, fortune): [http://www.samhainmoon.com/uploaded_images/lakshmi-769689.jpg] Jai Guru Dev To subscribe, send a message to: fairfieldlife-subscr...@yahoogroups.com Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!'Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:fairfieldlife-dig...@yahoogroups.com mailto:fairfieldlife-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: fairfieldlife-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] TM is not a religion (was Re: times of upcoming Pujas in Meru)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jpgillam jpgil...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, yifuxero wrote: Of course the TM Puja is religious!! How ridiculous and disingenuous to say otherwise. yifuxero, if you don't mind my asking, what is your basis for saying the puja is religious? The word puja itself means worship. Do you know the actual translation of the TM puja, jpgillam? Here are a few examples from the text: To the glory of the Lord I bow down again and again, at whose door the whole galaxy of gods pray for perfection day and night. White as camphor, the incarnation of kindness, the essence of creation garlanded by the Serpent-King. Ever dwelling in the lotus of my heart, LORD SHIVA WITH MOTHER DIVINE to him I bow down. GURU in the glory of BRAHMA, GURU in the glory of VISHNU, GURU in the glory of the great LORD SHIVA, GURU in the glory of the personified transcendental fullness of BRAHMAN, to Him, to SHRI GURU DEV adorned with glory, I bow down. - - No rational, honest person can say that the above isn't religious. I mean, do you see gods when you sing the puja, or something? Some TM teachers indeed say that they have. I have directly perceived Guru Dev during the TM puja.
[FairfieldLife] TM is not a religion (was Re: times of upcoming Pujas in Meru)
You're allowed to drink coffee in FF now? The horror! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5 dhamiltony...@... wrote: Nablusoss, someone was telling me this morning in a line in FF while waiting for coffee that Tony Nadar recently gave an excellent lecture explaining the science of the devata nature. Said it was a very good talk. Demystifying. Is that linked on the global family chats? Or somewhere? Just wondering. JGD, Doug in FF --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Hugo richardhughes103@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@ wrote: These sound like scientific procedures to me! Are they from a book on Quantum Physics? Chuckle. It's a source of endless amusement to me that the TMO insist that its use of Hindu deities in rituals is something to do with them being aspects of natural law. I'm not sure I'm amused by it after four decades. For me it brings up feelings of sadness at the sheer SPINELESSNESS of long-term TMers. They are still defending the TM is not a religion meme WHILE attending TMO-sponsored yagyas that make offerings to *specific* Hindu deities. IMO it's *just fine* to believe in a bunch of gods and goddesses and to believe that they are so petty and vain that they would be swayed into bestowing favors on humans stupid enough to offer them rice and ghee. It's superstition, but hey! *lots* of people on this rock are superstitious. Jews believe in a God who is an old man with a hoary white beard dispensing punishment to people who do horrible things like using the same kitchen to prepare meat and milk dishes. Catholics believe not only in a big male God with a hoary beard, but that he has by his side his son, whom God killed savagely for their sins, and whose blood and flesh they symbol- ically consume every Sunday in church. But these people are at least HONEST about their religious beliefs and practices. TMers attend these yagyas, pray to Hindu gods and goddesses and try to bribe them into bestowing favors on them, and then go out and give an intro lecture or talk to a school system and tell them with a straight face that the TMO is promoting no religious practices. Not only is this hypocritical to the max, it is cowardly and spineless. It's *OK* to believe in supernatural beings; what's less OK is to believe in them and lie about it.
[FairfieldLife] TM is not a religion (was Re: times of upcoming Pujas in Meru)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jpgillam jpgil...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, yifuxero wrote: Of course the TM Puja is religious!! How ridiculous and disingenuous to say otherwise. yifuxero, if you don't mind my asking, what is your basis for saying the puja is religious? I mean, do you see gods when you sing the puja, or something? The word puja itself means worship. Do you know the actual translation of the TM puja, jpgillam? Here are a few examples from the text: To the glory of the Lord I bow down again and again, at whose door the whole galaxy of gods pray for perfection day and night. White as camphor, the incarnation of kindness, the essence of creation garlanded by the Serpent-King. Ever dwelling in the lotus of my heart, LORD SHIVA WITH MOTHER DIVINE to him I bow down. GURU in the glory of BRAHMA, GURU in the glory of VISHNU, GURU in the glory of the great LORD SHIVA, GURU in the glory of the personified transcendental fullness of BRAHMAN, to Him, to SHRI GURU DEV adorned with glory, I bow down. - - No rational, honest person can say that the above isn't religious. I mean, do you see gods when you sing the puja, or something? Some TM teachers indeed say that they have. I have directly perceived Guru Dev during the TM puja.
[FairfieldLife] TM is not a religion (was Re: times of upcoming Pujas in Meru)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5 dhamiltony...@... wrote: Nablusoss, someone was telling me this morning in a line in FF while waiting for coffee that Tony Nadar recently gave an excellent lecture explaining the science of the devata nature. Said it was a very good talk. Demystifying. Is that linked on the global family chats? Or somewhere? Just wondering. JGD, Doug in FF Don't know Doug, stay posted to Global Family Chat: October 14th http://streaming.mou.org/MOU/Chat/14_oct_09.wmv Raja Paul introduced Dr Albert Baruh who reported on developments in Turkey, and Dr Theodore Pazanis reported on progress towards invincibility in Cyprus. Raja Bruce introduced Drs Alain and Marie Courvoisier who gave a beautiful presentation on their recent visit to Seychelles, outlining the progress towards starting projects in schools and the prison, with the support of local meditators. October 13th http://streaming.mou.org/MOU/Chat/13_oct_09.wmv Dr Bobby Roth updated on the success of the distinguished lecturer series, the programme to create 10,000 young TM teachers in the next 10 years, David Lynch's forthcoming trip to India, and the book 'Transcendence ' by Dr Norman Rosenthal. Raja Luis explained the parental approach of the Brazilian government outlining the tradition of TM teaching; the possibilities for large-scale Vastu construction; and very large conference soon to be held by Fr Gabriel Mejia on elimination of violence.
[FairfieldLife] TM is not a religion (was Re: times of upcoming Pujas in Meru)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, pranamoocher bh...@... wrote: You're allowed to drink coffee in FF now? The horror! I think you must have Fairfield confused with Salt Lake City.
Re: [FairfieldLife] TM is not a religion (was Re: times of upcoming Pujas in Meru)
On Oct 16, 2009, at 10:46 AM, pranamoocher wrote: You're allowed to drink coffee in FF now? The horror! Only on Fridays, and that's only because we're not allowed to eat meat. Sal
[FairfieldLife] TM is not a religion (was Re: times of upcoming Pujas in Meru)
There's plenty of Kool-Aid to go around in both places. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley j_alexander_stan...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, pranamoocher bhrma@ wrote: You're allowed to drink coffee in FF now? The horror! I think you must have Fairfield confused with Salt Lake City.
[FairfieldLife] TM is not a religion (was Re: times of upcoming Pujas in Meru)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, yifuxero yifux...@... wrote: There's plenty of Kool-Aid to go around in both places. There's actually a Mormon Ru subculture in Fairfield. My guess is that the LDS church doesn't care about the Ru stuff as long as the church still gets 10% of their income. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley j_alexander_stanley@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, pranamoocher bhrma@ wrote: You're allowed to drink coffee in FF now? The horror! I think you must have Fairfield confused with Salt Lake City.
[FairfieldLife] TM is not a religion (was Re: times of upcoming Pujas in Meru)
it would be in the Global Family Chats, I think if you look for Maharaja visits USA it would likely be in that. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5 dhamiltony...@... wrote: Nablusoss, someone was telling me this morning in a line in FF while waiting for coffee that Tony Nadar recently gave an excellent lecture explaining the science of the devata nature. Said it was a very good talk. Demystifying. Is that linked on the global family chats? Or somewhere? Just wondering. JGD, Doug in FF --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Hugo richardhughes103@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@ wrote: These sound like scientific procedures to me! Are they from a book on Quantum Physics? Chuckle. It's a source of endless amusement to me that the TMO insist that its use of Hindu deities in rituals is something to do with them being aspects of natural law. I'm not sure I'm amused by it after four decades. For me it brings up feelings of sadness at the sheer SPINELESSNESS of long-term TMers. They are still defending the TM is not a religion meme WHILE attending TMO-sponsored yagyas that make offerings to *specific* Hindu deities. IMO it's *just fine* to believe in a bunch of gods and goddesses and to believe that they are so petty and vain that they would be swayed into bestowing favors on humans stupid enough to offer them rice and ghee. It's superstition, but hey! *lots* of people on this rock are superstitious. Jews believe in a God who is an old man with a hoary white beard dispensing punishment to people who do horrible things like using the same kitchen to prepare meat and milk dishes. Catholics believe not only in a big male God with a hoary beard, but that he has by his side his son, whom God killed savagely for their sins, and whose blood and flesh they symbol- ically consume every Sunday in church. But these people are at least HONEST about their religious beliefs and practices. TMers attend these yagyas, pray to Hindu gods and goddesses and try to bribe them into bestowing favors on them, and then go out and give an intro lecture or talk to a school system and tell them with a straight face that the TMO is promoting no religious practices. Not only is this hypocritical to the max, it is cowardly and spineless. It's *OK* to believe in supernatural beings; what's less OK is to believe in them and lie about it.
[FairfieldLife] TM is not a religion (was Re: times of upcoming Pujas in Meru)
it would be in the Global Family Chats, I think if you look for Maharaja visits USA it would likely be in that. Where is the public portal for the global chats? URL? Nablusoss, someone was telling me this morning in a line in FF while waiting for coffee that Tony Nadar recently gave an excellent lecture explaining the science of the devata nature. Said it was a very good talk. Demystifying. Is that linked on the global family chats? Or somewhere? Just wondering. JGD, Doug in FF
[FairfieldLife] TM is not a religion (was Re: times of upcoming Pujas in Meru)
For lurkers who may not be familiar with the non-religious names and terms used in this announcement: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, michael vedamer...@... wrote: Betreff: time of upcoming Pujas in Holland PÅ«jÄ (Devanagari http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Devanagari : पà¥à¤à¤¾) (alternative transliteration http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transliteration Pooja http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pooja , Sanskrit http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sanskrit : reverence http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reverence , honour http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Honour , adoration http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adoration , or worship http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Worship ) is a ceremony of gratitude or a religious http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religion ritual http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ritual performed as an offering to various deities, distinguished persons, or special guests. It is done on a variety of occasions and settings, from daily puja done in the home, to temple ceremonies and large festivals, or to begin a new venture. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Puja_%28Hinduism%29#cite_note-Gale-0 Puja is modeled on the idea of giving a gift or offering to a deity or important person and receiving their blessing. - Wikipedia Here are the likely starting times (Holland time) of Rashtra Geet at the beginning of the upcoming grand global Pujas: 15 October, Dhanvantari Puja: 13:30h Dhanvantari (incarnation of the Hindu god Vishnu -- It is common practice in Hinduism for worshipers to pray to Lord Dhanvantari seeking his blessings for sound health for themselves and/or others. - Wikipedia): [http://deshika.files.wordpress.com/2007/11/dhanvantari3.gif] 16 October, Hanuman Puja: 14:00h Hanuman (personification of bhakti http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bhakti [devotion to God] in Hinduism): [http://9dozen.files.wordpress.com/2008/12/hanuman12.jpg] 17 October, Mahalakshmi Puja: 15:50h Lakshmi (Hindu http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hindu goddess http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Goddess of wealth http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wealth , prosperity, wisdom, fortune): [http://www.samhainmoon.com/uploaded_images/lakshmi-769689.jpg] Jai Guru Dev
[FairfieldLife] TM is not a religion (was Re: times of upcoming Pujas in Meru)
Om, thanks for the clarification. What part of the official Ttranscendental Meditation movement is behind scheduling these things? Maharishi University of Management, The David Lynch Foundation, The Indian TM movement, The TM Global Country with its Rajas, Raja Emmanuel and Bevan? John Hagelin? JGD, -D in FF --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_re...@... wrote: For lurkers who may not be familiar with the non-religious names and terms used in this announcement: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, michael vedamerlin@ wrote: Betreff: time of upcoming Pujas in Holland PÅ«jÄ (Devanagari http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Devanagari : पà¥à¤à¤¾) (alternative transliteration http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transliteration Pooja http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pooja , Sanskrit http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sanskrit : reverence http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reverence , honour http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Honour , adoration http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adoration , or worship http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Worship ) is a ceremony of gratitude or a religious http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religion ritual http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ritual performed as an offering to various deities, distinguished persons, or special guests. It is done on a variety of occasions and settings, from daily puja done in the home, to temple ceremonies and large festivals, or to begin a new venture. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Puja_%28Hinduism%29#cite_note-Gale-0 Puja is modeled on the idea of giving a gift or offering to a deity or important person and receiving their blessing. - Wikipedia Here are the likely starting times (Holland time) of Rashtra Geet at the beginning of the upcoming grand global Pujas: 15 October, Dhanvantari Puja: 13:30h Dhanvantari (incarnation of the Hindu god Vishnu -- It is common practice in Hinduism for worshipers to pray to Lord Dhanvantari seeking his blessings for sound health for themselves and/or others. - Wikipedia): [http://deshika.files.wordpress.com/2007/11/dhanvantari3.gif] 16 October, Hanuman Puja: 14:00h Hanuman (personification of bhakti http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bhakti [devotion to God] in Hinduism): [http://9dozen.files.wordpress.com/2008/12/hanuman12.jpg] 17 October, Mahalakshmi Puja: 15:50h Lakshmi (Hindu http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hindu goddess http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Goddess of wealth http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wealth , prosperity, wisdom, fortune): [http://www.samhainmoon.com/uploaded_images/lakshmi-769689.jpg] Jai Guru Dev
[FairfieldLife] TM is not a religion (was Re: times of upcoming Pujas in Meru)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5 dhamiltony...@... wrote: Om, thanks for the clarification. What part of the official Transcendental Meditation movement is behind scheduling these things? Maharishi University of Management, The David Lynch Foundation, The Indian TM movement, The TM Global Country with its Rajas, Raja Emmanuel and Bevan? John Hagelin? Thank you for pointing out the oversight in my previous clarifications, Doug. Yes, I did leave out the definition of one term, MERU. That stands for Maharishi European Research University, the official home of the TM movement in Holland. Here is what it looks like: [http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/0e/MERU,_Vlodrop,_Holla\ nd_(thumbnail).jpg] And here's an interesting Web page that talks about a conference at MERU that in fact uses the same non-religious image of Dhanvantari that I used in my clarification post. http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://i125.photobucket.com/album\ s/p66/dubrovnikpeace/dhanvantari.jpgimgrefurl=http://blogs.myspace.com/\ index.cfm%3Ffuseaction%3Dblog.view%26friendId%3D83182852%26blogId%3D4457\ 35435usg=__d4tfZsoJUOE5T-PZBwKjQC5wuyE=h=442w=273sz=17hl=enstart=5\ um=1tbnid=TX2u21ccPLqJAM:tbnh=127tbnw=78prev=/images%3Fq%3DMERU%2BH\ olland%26hl%3Den%26sa%3DN%26um%3D1 http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://i125.photobucket.com/albu\ ms/p66/dubrovnikpeace/dhanvantari.jpgimgrefurl=http://blogs.myspace.com\ /index.cfm%3Ffuseaction%3Dblog.view%26friendId%3D83182852%26blogId%3D445\ 735435usg=__d4tfZsoJUOE5T-PZBwKjQC5wuyE=h=442w=273sz=17hl=enstart=\ 5um=1tbnid=TX2u21ccPLqJAM:tbnh=127tbnw=78prev=/images%3Fq%3DMERU%2B\ Holland%26hl%3Den%26sa%3DN%26um%3D1 Thank you for helping me to clear up all these misconceptions that the TMO is either a religion or promoting religious practices. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: For lurkers who may not be familiar with the non-religious names and terms used in this announcement: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, michael vedamerlin@ wrote: Betreff: time of upcoming Pujas in Holland PÅ«jÄ (Devanagari http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Devanagari : पà¥à¤à¤¾) (alternative transliteration http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transliteration Pooja http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pooja , Sanskrit http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sanskrit : reverence http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reverence , honour http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Honour , adoration http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adoration , or worship http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Worship ) is a ceremony of gratitude or a religious http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religion ritual http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ritual performed as an offering to various deities, distinguished persons, or special guests. It is done on a variety of occasions and settings, from daily puja done in the home, to temple ceremonies and large festivals, or to begin a new venture. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Puja_%28Hinduism%29#cite_note-Gale-0 Puja is modeled on the idea of giving a gift or offering to a deity or important person and receiving their blessing. - Wikipedia Here are the likely starting times (Holland time) of Rashtra Geet at the beginning of the upcoming grand global Pujas: 15 October, Dhanvantari Puja: 13:30h Dhanvantari (incarnation of the Hindu god Vishnu -- It is common practice in Hinduism for worshipers to pray to Lord Dhanvantari seeking his blessings for sound health for themselves and/or others. - Wikipedia): [http://deshika.files.wordpress.com/2007/11/dhanvantari3.gif] 16 October, Hanuman Puja: 14:00h Hanuman (personification of bhakti http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bhakti [devotion to God] in Hinduism): [http://9dozen.files.wordpress.com/2008/12/hanuman12.jpg] 17 October, Mahalakshmi Puja: 15:50h Lakshmi (Hindu http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hindu goddess http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Goddess of wealth http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wealth , prosperity, wisdom, fortune): [http://www.samhainmoon.com/uploaded_images/lakshmi-769689.jpg] Jai Guru Dev
Re: [FairfieldLife] TM is not a religion (was Re: times of upcoming Pujas in Meru)
These sound like scientific procedures to me! Are they from a book on Quantum Physics? :-) On Oct 15, 2009, at 3:57 AM, TurquoiseB wrote: For lurkers who may not be familiar with the non-religious names and terms used in this announcement: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, michael vedamer...@... wrote: Betreff: time of upcoming Pujas in Holland PÅ«jÄ (Devanagari: पूजा) (alternative transliteration Pooja,Sanskrit: reverence, honour, adoration, or worship) is a ceremony of gratitude or a religious ritual performed as an offering to various deities, distinguished persons, or special guests. It is done on a variety of occasions and settings, from daily puja done in the home, to temple ceremonies and large festivals, or to begin a new venture. Puja is modeled on the idea of giving a gift or offering to a deity or important person and receiving their blessing. - Wikipedia Here are the likely starting times (Holland time) of Rashtra Geet at the beginning of the upcoming grand global Pujas: 15 October, Dhanvantari Puja: 13:30h Dhanvantari (incarnation of the Hindu god Vishnu -- It is common practice in Hinduism for worshipers to pray to Lord Dhanvantari seeking his blessings for sound health for themselves and/or others. - Wikipedia): 16 October, Hanuman Puja: 14:00h Hanuman (personification of bhakti [devotion to God] in Hinduism): 17 October, Mahalakshmi Puja: 15:50h Lakshmi (Hindu goddess of wealth, prosperity, wisdom, fortune):
[FairfieldLife] TM is not a religion (was Re: times of upcoming Pujas in Meru)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradh...@... wrote: These sound like scientific procedures to me! Are they from a book on Quantum Physics? :-) Chuckle. It's a source of endless amusement to me that the TMO insist that its use of Hindu deities in rituals is something to do with them being aspects of natural law. For instance Krishna apparently represents the vacuum state of Quantum Physics where matter is spontaneously created. Erm, why? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vacuum_state http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vacuum_state Perhaps it's because his picture is a tad more interesting than the diagramme on the right above. Can you imagine bowing down to that at the puja table? Hell, why would you bow down to a vacuum state anyway. The whole thing is foolish why can't they just admit it's a religion and be done with it, who would be offended? Not me, I'd respect them for having the guts not to keep bullshitting us all the time. On Oct 15, 2009, at 3:57 AM, TurquoiseB wrote: For lurkers who may not be familiar with the non-religious names and terms used in this announcement: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, michael vedamerlin@ wrote: Betreff: time of upcoming Pujas in Holland Pà «jà(Devanagari: à ¤ªà ¥âà ¤Åà ¤¾) (alternative transliteration Pooja,Sanskrit: reverence, honour, adoration, or worship) is a ceremony of gratitude or a religious ritual performed as an offering to various deities, distinguished persons, or special guests. It is done on a variety of occasions and settings, from daily puja done in the home, to temple ceremonies and large festivals, or to begin a new venture. Puja is modeled on the idea of giving a gift or offering to a deity or important person and receiving their blessing. - Wikipedia Here are the likely starting times (Holland time) of Rashtra Geet at the beginning of the upcoming grand global Pujas: 15 October, Dhanvantari Puja: 13:30h Dhanvantari (incarnation of the Hindu god Vishnu -- It is common practice in Hinduism for worshipers to pray to Lord Dhanvantari seeking his blessings for sound health for themselves and/or others. - Wikipedia): 16 October, Hanuman Puja: 14:00h Hanuman (personification of bhakti [devotion to God] in Hinduism): 17 October, Mahalakshmi Puja: 15:50h Lakshmi (Hindu goddess of wealth, prosperity, wisdom, fortune):
[FairfieldLife] TM is not a religion (was Re: times of upcoming Pujas in Meru)
Om, thanks for the clarification. What part of the official Transcendental Meditation movement is behind scheduling these things? Maharishi University of Management, The David Lynch Foundation, The Indian TM movement, The TM Global Country with its Rajas, Raja Emmanuel and Bevan? John Hagelin? Thank you for pointing out the oversight in my previous clarifications, Doug. Yes, I did leave out the definition of one term, MERU. That stands for Maharishi European Research University, the official home of the TM movement in Holland. Here is what it looks like: Thanks, it looks all very interlocking. I did not see John Hagelin's or David Lynch's name at that level. Are they not included anymore? [http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/0e/MERU,_Vlodrop,_Holla\ nd_(thumbnail).jpg] And here's an interesting Web page that talks about a conference at MERU that in fact uses the same non-religious image of Dhanvantari that I used in my clarification post. http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://i125.photobucket.com/album\ s/p66/dubrovnikpeace/dhanvantari.jpgimgrefurl=http://blogs.myspace.com/\ index.cfm%3Ffuseaction%3Dblog.view%26friendId%3D83182852%26blogId%3D4457\ 35435usg=__d4tfZsoJUOE5T-PZBwKjQC5wuyE=h=442w=273sz=17hl=enstart=5\ um=1tbnid=TX2u21ccPLqJAM:tbnh=127tbnw=78prev=/images%3Fq%3DMERU%2BH\ olland%26hl%3Den%26sa%3DN%26um%3D1 http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://i125.photobucket.com/albu\ ms/p66/dubrovnikpeace/dhanvantari.jpgimgrefurl=http://blogs.myspace.com\ /index.cfm%3Ffuseaction%3Dblog.view%26friendId%3D83182852%26blogId%3D445\ 735435usg=__d4tfZsoJUOE5T-PZBwKjQC5wuyE=h=442w=273sz=17hl=enstart=\ 5um=1tbnid=TX2u21ccPLqJAM:tbnh=127tbnw=78prev=/images%3Fq%3DMERU%2B\ Holland%26hl%3Den%26sa%3DN%26um%3D1 Thank you for helping me to clear up all these misconceptions that the TMO is either a religion or promoting religious practices. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: For lurkers who may not be familiar with the non-religious names and terms used in this announcement: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, michael vedamerlin@ wrote: Betreff: time of upcoming Pujas in Holland PÅ«jÄ (Devanagari http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Devanagari : पà¥à¤à¤¾) (alternative transliteration http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transliteration Pooja http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pooja , Sanskrit http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sanskrit : reverence http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reverence , honour http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Honour , adoration http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adoration , or worship http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Worship ) is a ceremony of gratitude or a religious http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religion ritual http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ritual performed as an offering to various deities, distinguished persons, or special guests. It is done on a variety of occasions and settings, from daily puja done in the home, to temple ceremonies and large festivals, or to begin a new venture. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Puja_%28Hinduism%29#cite_note-Gale-0 Puja is modeled on the idea of giving a gift or offering to a deity or important person and receiving their blessing. - Wikipedia Here are the likely starting times (Holland time) of Rashtra Geet at the beginning of the upcoming grand global Pujas: 15 October, Dhanvantari Puja: 13:30h Dhanvantari (incarnation of the Hindu god Vishnu -- It is common practice in Hinduism for worshipers to pray to Lord Dhanvantari seeking his blessings for sound health for themselves and/or others. - Wikipedia): [http://deshika.files.wordpress.com/2007/11/dhanvantari3.gif] 16 October, Hanuman Puja: 14:00h Hanuman (personification of bhakti http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bhakti [devotion to God] in Hinduism): [http://9dozen.files.wordpress.com/2008/12/hanuman12.jpg] 17 October, Mahalakshmi Puja: 15:50h Lakshmi (Hindu http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hindu goddess http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Goddess of wealth http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wealth , prosperity, wisdom, fortune): [http://www.samhainmoon.com/uploaded_images/lakshmi-769689.jpg] Jai Guru Dev
[FairfieldLife] TM is not a religion (was Re: times of upcoming Pujas in Meru)
Precisely, I agree. MMY's biggest mistake was charging a lot of $$ for TM. His 2-nd biggest mistake was to call the Deities aspects (or some similar adjective downplaying their Personal Identities as real Individual entities who can think and act, like use - but only in the inner planes but spilling over into the physical. Question: Given that Kali and Durga are real Personalities, would they treat or did they treat MMY after he died with open arms. No! I suspect that Kali has torn MMY to pieces for calling Her an aspect; and that's why few if any people have had visions of MMY after he left he physical. OTOH, countless people have had visions of Jesus, like myself. MMY was no doubt rendered into bits and pieces by the Wrath of Kali. Of course the TM Puja is religious!! How ridiculous and disingenuous to say otherwise. Typical deceitful behavior on the part of those Rajas, following in the footsteps of MMY.. - In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Hugo richardhughes...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@ wrote: These sound like scientific procedures to me! Are they from a book on Quantum Physics? :-) Chuckle. It's a source of endless amusement to me that the TMO insist that its use of Hindu deities in rituals is something to do with them being aspects of natural law. For instance Krishna apparently represents the vacuum state of Quantum Physics where matter is spontaneously created. Erm, why? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vacuum_state http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vacuum_state Perhaps it's because his picture is a tad more interesting than the diagramme on the right above. Can you imagine bowing down to that at the puja table? Hell, why would you bow down to a vacuum state anyway. The whole thing is foolish why can't they just admit it's a religion and be done with it, who would be offended? Not me, I'd respect them for having the guts not to keep bullshitting us all the time. On Oct 15, 2009, at 3:57 AM, TurquoiseB wrote: For lurkers who may not be familiar with the non-religious names and terms used in this announcement: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, michael vedamerlin@ wrote: Betreff: time of upcoming Pujas in Holland Pà «jà(Devanagari: à ¤ªà ¥âà ¤Åà ¤¾) (alternative transliteration Pooja,Sanskrit: reverence, honour, adoration, or worship) is a ceremony of gratitude or a religious ritual performed as an offering to various deities, distinguished persons, or special guests. It is done on a variety of occasions and settings, from daily puja done in the home, to temple ceremonies and large festivals, or to begin a new venture. Puja is modeled on the idea of giving a gift or offering to a deity or important person and receiving their blessing. - Wikipedia Here are the likely starting times (Holland time) of Rashtra Geet at the beginning of the upcoming grand global Pujas: 15 October, Dhanvantari Puja: 13:30h Dhanvantari (incarnation of the Hindu god Vishnu -- It is common practice in Hinduism for worshipers to pray to Lord Dhanvantari seeking his blessings for sound health for themselves and/or others. - Wikipedia): 16 October, Hanuman Puja: 14:00h Hanuman (personification of bhakti [devotion to God] in Hinduism): 17 October, Mahalakshmi Puja: 15:50h Lakshmi (Hindu goddess of wealth, prosperity, wisdom, fortune):
[FairfieldLife] TM is not a religion (was Re: times of upcoming Pujas in Meru)
The TMmovement entities, how do these interlocking enterprises sit with the TMmovement's Brahmananda Saraswati Trust? Does authority and money flow around betwx them? Is the BST a Channel Island Trust, European, India or American? Om, thanks for the clarification. What part of the official Transcendental Meditation movement is behind scheduling these things? Maharishi University of Management, The David Lynch Foundation, The Indian TM movement, The TM Global Country with its Rajas, Raja Emmanuel and Bevan? John Hagelin? Thank you for pointing out the oversight in my previous clarifications, Doug. Yes, I did leave out the definition of one term, MERU. That stands for Maharishi European Research University, the official home of the TM movement in Holland. Here is what it looks like: Thanks, it looks all very interlocking. I did not see John Hagelin's or David Lynch's name at that level. Are they not included anymore? [http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/0e/MERU,_Vlodrop,_Holla\ nd_(thumbnail).jpg] And here's an interesting Web page that talks about a conference at MERU that in fact uses the same non-religious image of Dhanvantari that I used in my clarification post. http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://i125.photobucket.com/album\ s/p66/dubrovnikpeace/dhanvantari.jpgimgrefurl=http://blogs.myspace.com/\ index.cfm%3Ffuseaction%3Dblog.view%26friendId%3D83182852%26blogId%3D4457\ 35435usg=__d4tfZsoJUOE5T-PZBwKjQC5wuyE=h=442w=273sz=17hl=enstart=5\ um=1tbnid=TX2u21ccPLqJAM:tbnh=127tbnw=78prev=/images%3Fq%3DMERU%2BH\ olland%26hl%3Den%26sa%3DN%26um%3D1 http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://i125.photobucket.com/albu\ ms/p66/dubrovnikpeace/dhanvantari.jpgimgrefurl=http://blogs.myspace.com\ /index.cfm%3Ffuseaction%3Dblog.view%26friendId%3D83182852%26blogId%3D445\ 735435usg=__d4tfZsoJUOE5T-PZBwKjQC5wuyE=h=442w=273sz=17hl=enstart=\ 5um=1tbnid=TX2u21ccPLqJAM:tbnh=127tbnw=78prev=/images%3Fq%3DMERU%2B\ Holland%26hl%3Den%26sa%3DN%26um%3D1 Thank you for helping me to clear up all these misconceptions that the TMO is either a religion or promoting religious practices. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: For lurkers who may not be familiar with the non-religious names and terms used in this announcement: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, michael vedamerlin@ wrote: Betreff: time of upcoming Pujas in Holland PÅ«jÄ (Devanagari http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Devanagari : पà¥à¤à¤¾) (alternative transliteration http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transliteration Pooja http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pooja , Sanskrit http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sanskrit : reverence http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reverence , honour http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Honour , adoration http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adoration , or worship http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Worship ) is a ceremony of gratitude or a religious http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religion ritual http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ritual performed as an offering to various deities, distinguished persons, or special guests. It is done on a variety of occasions and settings, from daily puja done in the home, to temple ceremonies and large festivals, or to begin a new venture. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Puja_%28Hinduism%29#cite_note-Gale-0 Puja is modeled on the idea of giving a gift or offering to a deity or important person and receiving their blessing. - Wikipedia Here are the likely starting times (Holland time) of Rashtra Geet at the beginning of the upcoming grand global Pujas: 15 October, Dhanvantari Puja: 13:30h Dhanvantari (incarnation of the Hindu god Vishnu -- It is common practice in Hinduism for worshipers to pray to Lord Dhanvantari seeking his blessings for sound health for themselves and/or others. - Wikipedia): [http://deshika.files.wordpress.com/2007/11/dhanvantari3.gif] 16 October, Hanuman Puja: 14:00h Hanuman (personification of bhakti http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bhakti [devotion to God] in Hinduism): [http://9dozen.files.wordpress.com/2008/12/hanuman12.jpg] 17 October, Mahalakshmi Puja: 15:50h Lakshmi (Hindu http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hindu goddess http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Goddess of wealth http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wealth , prosperity, wisdom, fortune): [http://www.samhainmoon.com/uploaded_images/lakshmi-769689.jpg] Jai Guru Dev
[FairfieldLife] TM is not a religion (was Re: times of upcoming Pujas in Meru)
Michael, you seem on the ground there. Who schedules and who coordinates these things? Does it come from movement Raja's sitting in parliament declaring the movement should do these yagya things and promote them? Or does this kind of seeming new public policy happen to come from smaller exec. committee? Select Rajas or some Purusaha operating on their own enthusiastic initiative? Just wondering. JGD, -D in FF Om, thanks for the clarification. What part of the official Transcendental Meditation movement is behind scheduling these things? Maharishi University of Management, The David Lynch Foundation, The Indian TM movement, The TM Global Country with its Rajas, Raja Emmanuel and Bevan? John Hagelin? Thank you for pointing out the oversight in my previous clarifications, Doug. Yes, I did leave out the definition of one term, MERU. That stands for Maharishi European Research University, the official home of the TM movement in Holland. Here is what it looks like: Thanks, it looks all very interlocking. I did not see John Hagelin's or David Lynch's name at that level. Are they not included anymore? [http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/0e/MERU,_Vlodrop,_Holla\ nd_(thumbnail).jpg] And here's an interesting Web page that talks about a conference at MERU that in fact uses the same non-religious image of Dhanvantari that I used in my clarification post. http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://i125.photobucket.com/album\ s/p66/dubrovnikpeace/dhanvantari.jpgimgrefurl=http://blogs.myspace.com/\ index.cfm%3Ffuseaction%3Dblog.view%26friendId%3D83182852%26blogId%3D4457\ 35435usg=__d4tfZsoJUOE5T-PZBwKjQC5wuyE=h=442w=273sz=17hl=enstart=5\ um=1tbnid=TX2u21ccPLqJAM:tbnh=127tbnw=78prev=/images%3Fq%3DMERU%2BH\ olland%26hl%3Den%26sa%3DN%26um%3D1 http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://i125.photobucket.com/albu\ ms/p66/dubrovnikpeace/dhanvantari.jpgimgrefurl=http://blogs.myspace.com\ /index.cfm%3Ffuseaction%3Dblog.view%26friendId%3D83182852%26blogId%3D445\ 735435usg=__d4tfZsoJUOE5T-PZBwKjQC5wuyE=h=442w=273sz=17hl=enstart=\ 5um=1tbnid=TX2u21ccPLqJAM:tbnh=127tbnw=78prev=/images%3Fq%3DMERU%2B\ Holland%26hl%3Den%26sa%3DN%26um%3D1 Thank you for helping me to clear up all these misconceptions that the TMO is either a religion or promoting religious practices. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: For lurkers who may not be familiar with the non-religious names and terms used in this announcement: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, michael vedamerlin@ wrote: Betreff: time of upcoming Pujas in Holland PÅ«jÄ (Devanagari http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Devanagari : पà¥à¤à¤¾) (alternative transliteration http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transliteration Pooja http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pooja , Sanskrit http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sanskrit : reverence http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reverence , honour http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Honour , adoration http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adoration , or worship http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Worship ) is a ceremony of gratitude or a religious http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religion ritual http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ritual performed as an offering to various deities, distinguished persons, or special guests. It is done on a variety of occasions and settings, from daily puja done in the home, to temple ceremonies and large festivals, or to begin a new venture. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Puja_%28Hinduism%29#cite_note-Gale-0 Puja is modeled on the idea of giving a gift or offering to a deity or important person and receiving their blessing. - Wikipedia Here are the likely starting times (Holland time) of Rashtra Geet at the beginning of the upcoming grand global Pujas: 15 October, Dhanvantari Puja: 13:30h Dhanvantari (incarnation of the Hindu god Vishnu -- It is common practice in Hinduism for worshipers to pray to Lord Dhanvantari seeking his blessings for sound health for themselves and/or others. - Wikipedia): [http://deshika.files.wordpress.com/2007/11/dhanvantari3.gif] 16 October, Hanuman Puja: 14:00h Hanuman (personification of bhakti http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bhakti [devotion to God] in Hinduism): [http://9dozen.files.wordpress.com/2008/12/hanuman12.jpg] 17 October, Mahalakshmi Puja: 15:50h Lakshmi (Hindu http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hindu goddess http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Goddess of wealth http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wealth , prosperity, wisdom, fortune): [http://www.samhainmoon.com/uploaded_images/lakshmi-769689.jpg]
