--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com> , "seekliberation" <seekliberat...@...> wrote:
<By the way, there are just as many CIVILIAN westerners helping children and war victims, and did you manage to help the thousands of innocent children and innocents killed by your drones and long range missliles?> **First of all, most people who have never been in the middle east don't understand how they fight. >> I hitch-hiked around Israel and Palestine in the Mid 1980's. I slept in far out in the desert on my own, overlooking Jordan, I haggled with the Bedouin at the market in Bethlehem when they came in from the desert on their camels. I was given a ride when hitch hicking by Jews, Arabs, Christians, Israeli army, young and old, etc. I even hitch hiked in the middle of the night through Palestine, from Jericho to Galilee. I saw the Apartheid back then .... I think I understand the Middle East somewhat. << And believe me, I, along with the rest of our military, am much more concerned with the well being of Afghan civilians than their established government or the Taliban or even the Holy Mujahedeen from the 1980's.>> I had nothing against the Afghan fight in the beginning. I am very much against the continuing bombings from Drones, and the missiles that kill so many innocent people. That's not your fault. But you are part of the gang that is perpetrating these unAmerican acts. Land mines, bombing from drones, and other innacurate bombing is not acceptable part of the 21st century world. <<MORE THAN 95% of ALL deaths in modern warfare are INNOCENT CIVILIANS. Fact.>> <<Yes it is a fact. This is because the countries where the fighting is occurring these days are countries that don't separate their civilians from the area that the fighting is occurring.>> That is no excuse. If you can't fight without 95% civilian casualties then you should not fight. You need to be smart enough to find another way. That is the law of evolution. Those that don't will become extinct. **I agree. However, you don't understand that anyone who tries to implement methods that work in the middle east>> Oh I do understand perfectly. Your methods do not work. You only create more war. War begets War. Period. **Ok, Offworld, we've gotten too far into Marines fighting. Our primary weapon is not hand to hand combat, it's an M-4 assault rifle.>> Then why did you bring the marines up as being good at hand to hand combat? They are not. Marines are good at killing with machine guns, but NOT good at hand to hand combat. Bus drivers are good at driving buses, but NOT good at hand to hand combat. I rest my case. <<I am way out of training, and probably twice the age of your grunts, tell your top man to try going up against a Shotokan master. Set up the competition -- offer large sums of money.... ....OH WAIT !....that IS the MMA Octagon !...and guess what...anyone out of the military GETS FUCKING HAMMERED in that competition.>> **What about Randy Couture? What about Brian Stann? What about Brandon Wolff? What about Ray Mercer? What about Greg Gibson?>> None of them can beat a Shotokan master, nor Lyoto machida. I rest my case. The Shotokan strikes are very few, have unparreled speed, and deadly if needed. **What you don't understand is that so can fighters of other arts. Frank Shamrock knocked a man unconscious and put him in the hospital with a mere wrestling takedown, and that's not even supposed to be deadly.>> That just shows his LACK of skill, and totally unacceptable amuteurism compared to Shotokan You made my case for me. << Boxers generate enough power in their punches to cause permanent brain damage, or even death, which means kicks from kickboxers, taekwondo, kempo, kung fu, etcÂ…, they all have the same deadliness. > That just shows their LACK of skill, and totally unaceptable amuteurism. THEY DO NOT have the same deadliness because they ARE NOT AS SKILLED if they do cause such damge. DO you remotely understands this ? The Shotkan black belts I trained with used to TOTALLY kick the asses of the TaeWondo, KungFu, and all comers', in any competition. Period. > You are correct in the assessment that 'most' Marines don't practice H2H combat as often as you do. We don't have time, just like an LAPD SWAT member doesn't have time to concentrate on H2H combat as much either.>>I rest my case.> **But the case should have never been raised. I never tried to indicate that Marines are more skilled in H2H combat.> Yes you did. <<Impressive, but without a 3 years hard training in Shotokan you jsut don't get it.>> <I just don't get what? >> You do not get it because you have not experienced it. Other forms do not have the same deadliness because they ARE NOT AS SKILLED if they do are seriously hurting people. The Shotokan black belts I trained with used to TOTALLY kick the asses of the TaeWondo, KungFu, and all comers', in any competition. Period. OFFWORLD'S CHALLENGE: Ok, here are the rules your marine will have to accomplish to fight me:: 1. I will need to train for one year to get back up to skill. 2. Your goon will have to be trained to a high enough level to know how to pull punches and kicks properly. 3. If he causes serious injury to me - due to lack of skill or knowledge - I will press criminal charges against him in court. 4. He will have to have taken no more than one year of Shotokan training, among his other training (otherwise I might as well be fighting a Shotokan expert, which defeats the purpose of the experiment.) 5. After the fight, I will demonstrate on wood or other material, how my winning strikes could have killed him had I wanted. I will demonstrate the precise strikes used in the Kamiti, on a substance much harder than the bones or part of the human body that were struck. 6. In order to train for one year, I will need to train about 4 hours a day. This will cost about $200 of my time and energy taken away from my career (which in the long run is potentially worth millions over time.) Therefore, I will donate 2 hours a day free (about $100) of my time to this experiment. I will need the other 2 hours a day paid for, week by week. That is about $600 a week (about 100 people paying $6 a week each, or 50 people paying $12.) Therefore, I will need that sponsorship from any, or all, of the following: eg. get some of your marines to take me up on the challenge, and put in $6 a week for one year, FairfieldLifers can contribute, or any other form of sponsorship to allow me to take time off of my career to train comfortably such that it does not affect my career too much (although it will to some extent, and I will take that slight risk, in addition to contributing about $600 of my time each week to the experiment.) 7. Finally, because of the illigitimacy of uncontrolled combat (since, for example, a person could easily die if they were kicked hard enough in the head and the brain dislodges, or, if a stomach is not properly trained enough, could succumb, and the person could die, etc. ), the competition will be adjudicated by a qualified Shotokan adjudicator (usually at least a 2nd Dan Black Belt in Shotokan.) However, if these above criteria cannot be met, then, the SAME experiment could of course be made by the grunts proving their skills by finding the best of them, and sending them to the MMA to challenge Lyoto Machida. They will get beaten by him. You kow this is true. Admit it here. Note: Unfortunately since number 2 above cannot be ascertained until he has trained heavily it Shotokan for a couple of years at least, then the criteria above will be hard to meet. Only someone trained in Shotokan knows how to pull punches and kicks at a high skill level. **Ok, Offworld, lets make a bet here. I bet Machida will eventually lose his title, like every fighter in the history of fighting eventually does. >> Well that is obvious. you said it yourself: "like every fighter in the history of fighting eventually does." ... No bet. But I'll make a better bet with you for the $100 you wanted to bet. I bet that if Machida is allowed into the Heavyweight class, he will win that class also. That should put an end to this argument. Is it a bet? I can't see your e-mail on here. It is hidden, and I don't check my offworld e-mail account, I just go through the discussion board. So maybe you can join my Facebook account and send me a message or something. Most of these guys in this video were in competition about 4 years after I stopped training. (actually I trained for 4 years, now that I think about it.) I did not compete in much competitions, but could spar with some top black belts. I stopped training after I left Scotland because the clubs I attended were not as good, and it seems to me that black belts were given away easier after that period. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=292RJFjGCKA <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=292RJFjGCKA> OffWorld
