Re: [FairfieldLife] What's a meta for, anyway?

2013-12-11 Thread anartaxius
That is kind of it, sort of. Koans are aimed at our conditioning. People can spend years trying to solve them because koans have no rational answer. On the other hand some of these stories relate the moment a person woke up, but do not reveal what went before, things like years of meditation or

Re: [FairfieldLife] What's a meta for, anyway?

2013-12-11 Thread Richard J. Williams
The only way to "get" a zen koan is if you get enlightened when you deeply ponder it, otherwise it is just a joke. A zen koan is a device to use in zen meditation, like a mantra. A koan makes you stop and think, and sometimes a koan can wake you up from your dream state and then yo may go beyon

Re: [FairfieldLife] What's a meta for, anyway?

2013-12-11 Thread s3raphita
Is it just me or do these Zen koans always sound like jokes? The ones where you don't really *get* the punchline but giggle nervously to cover your embarrassment. I'm really asking if satori is related to our sense of humour. Perhaps having an awakening experience is suddenly seeing that li

Re: [FairfieldLife] What's a meta for, anyway?

2013-12-11 Thread s3raphita
"A monk asked Joshu to teach him zen. Joshu asked, "Have you eaten your rice?" I wonder what Joshu's comeback would have been if the monk had replied: "No. I've not had a chance to eat yet. Is there any stir-fry left?"

Re: [FairfieldLife] What's a meta for, anyway?

2013-12-11 Thread Richard J. Williams
Another zen koan that I like is by Joshu, Case 7: A monk asked Joshu to teach him zen. Joshu asked, "Have you eaten your rice?" The monk replied, "Yes, I have eaten." "Then go wash your bowl", said Joshu. At that moment, the monk was enlightened. On 12/11/2013 6:05 PM, anartax...@yahoo.com wrot

Re: [FairfieldLife] What's a meta for, anyway?

2013-12-11 Thread anartaxius
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote: It's like another zen koan: "You follow a path to the gate. When you follow the path you go through the gate. Once you pass through, you find that there's no path, and the there's no gate. So, they call it the Gateless Gate." - A collection of z

Re: [FairfieldLife] What's a meta for, anyway?

2013-12-11 Thread Richard J. Williams
It's like another zen koan: "You follow a path to the gate. When you follow the path you go through the gate. Once you pass through, you find that there's no path, and the there's no gate. So, they call it the Gateless Gate." - A collection of zen koans by Wumen. On 12/11/2013 10:28 AM, Shar

Re: [FairfieldLife] What's a meta for, anyway?

2013-12-11 Thread Share Long
But Richard, we see a snake in the backyard because our brain, especially the primitive area, is hardwired to see danger and thus protect us from that. Waking up from the dream may only be a case of the activity of our brain shifts mainly to the front area. thanks, turq, good article. On Wed

Re: [FairfieldLife] What's a meta for, anyway?

2013-12-11 Thread Richard J. Williams
MMY and other teachers use metaphors because they parallel the actual mechanics of nature - all human excrement always flows downstream. And, because the transcendental field can't be described in words. Maybe your mind is too stupid to understand that the world of relativity works because of c

Re: [FairfieldLife] What's a meta for, anyway?

2013-12-11 Thread Share Long
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3-mE1ScD64Q On Wednesday, December 11, 2013 5:46 AM, Share Long wrote:   turq, and then there's *way too meta* as defined by Rick Castle played by Nathan Fillion. Fun clip... On Wednesday, December 11, 2013 4:13 AM, TurquoiseB wrote:   To *convince*

Re: [FairfieldLife] What's a meta for, anyway?

2013-12-11 Thread Share Long
turq, and then there's *way too meta* as defined by Rick Castle played by Nathan Fillion. Fun clip... On Wednesday, December 11, 2013 4:13 AM, TurquoiseB wrote:   To *convince* you of something, dummy. That's why spiritual teachers and other con men use them. Why do you think Jesus talk

[FairfieldLife] What's a meta for, anyway?

2013-12-11 Thread TurquoiseB
To *convince* you of something, dummy. That's why spiritual teachers and other con men use them. Why do you think Jesus talked in parables? Duh. Why did Maharishi try to link the mechanics of TM to "watering the root" and "drawing the arrow back in the bow?" Because they intuitively knew that your