Re: [FairfieldLife] where MMY went wrong

2010-03-26 Thread Vaj


On Mar 26, 2010, at 1:33 AM, anatol_zinc wrote:


siddhis + ego = riddhis

just a guess



You really need to look no further than the Yoga Sutras to find that  
siddhis are contraindicated in awakening, they just induce delusions  
of grandeur in people. But the primary text on enlightenment in the  
Shankaracharya tradition is even more direct, it not only lists many  
of the classical warnings against siddhi cultivation, it explicitly  
warns against use of samyama and the sutras of the vibhuti-pada, and  
specifically warns AGAINST yogic flying. Disreputable dark gurus  
have known this for centuries as a great way to enslave and control  
their students. It proved a wonderful tool for Mahesh and his TM- 
bots, some of which still serve him from beyond the grave, like  
dutiful little soldiers.

RE: [FairfieldLife] where MMY went wrong

2010-03-26 Thread Rick Archer
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Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] where MMY went wrong
 
  On Mar 26, 2010, at 1:33 AM, anatol_zinc wrote:



siddhis + ego = riddhis

just a guess 
 
 
You really need to look no further than the Yoga Sutras to find that siddhis
are contraindicated in awakening, they just induce delusions of grandeur in
people. But the primary text on enlightenment in the Shankaracharya
tradition is even more direct, it not only lists many of the classical
warnings against siddhi cultivation, it explicitly warns against use of
samyama and the sutras of the vibhuti-pada, and specifically warns AGAINST
yogic flying. 
 
If you can find them, it would be interesting to read some of these verses.


Re: [FairfieldLife] where MMY went wrong

2010-03-26 Thread Vaj


On Mar 26, 2010, at 11:02 AM, Rick Archer wrote:

You really need to look no further than the Yoga Sutras to find  
that siddhis are contraindicated in awakening, they just induce  
delusions of grandeur in people. But the primary text on  
enlightenment in the Shankaracharya tradition is even more direct,  
it not only lists many of the classical warnings against siddhi  
cultivation, it explicitly warns against use of samyama and the  
sutras of the vibhuti-pada, and specifically warns AGAINST yogic  
flying.




If you can find them, it would be interesting to read some of these  
verses.



The yoga-vasishtha is one example given:

Sri Rama:
Why is it, O best of Self-knowers, that we do not see such powers as the
ability to fly through the air among the bodies of those in Unity  
Consciousness?


Vasistha:
O Raghava, even one who does not know the Self and is not liberated  
acquires
the trick (yukti) of roaming about the clouds and the like through  
the use of

rasayanas, mantras, yagyas, and time.

This concern does not belong to the Self-knower, for the Self-knower  
sees
only the Self. Satisfied by himself in himself, he does not run after  
ignorance.


Any worldly things whatsoever, the wise know them to be fashioned by
ignorance. How could a Self-knower who has abandoned ignorance possibly
plunge into these things?

The powers of rasayanas, mantras, yagyas, and time are effective for
bestowing supernatural abilities, but none of these help in attaining  
the state of

the highest Self.

The attainment of the Self arises when the web of all desires comes  
to an

end. How could a mind immersed in the pursuit of siddhis attain
that?

The jivan-mukti-viveka, still today a primary work on Enlightenment  
in the Shankaracharya tradition states:


The two terms (paramahansa and yogin) are used together in order to
exclude someone who is only a yogin and someone who is a paramahansa.
Someone who is only a yogin is a person who, because of his lack of  
the knowledge
of truth, is attached to amazing feats of yogic power, such as  
knowing the past,
present, and future, yogic flying, etc., and has made efforts toward  
this or

that siddhi with the various  samyama formulae.

Consequently he becomes separated from the highest aim of human  
existence, Enlightenment (jivan-mukti).






[FairfieldLife] where MMY went wrong

2010-03-25 Thread anatol_zinc

siddhis + ego = riddhis

just a guess