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You're welcome, Ann. I agree that we each live in our own world of personal experience. It's great when language can build a bridge between those worlds. And yeah, when those worlds are of a more abstract seeming nature, the gap can seem huge. Sometimes it's fun just to try and bridge that gap. From: "awoelfleba...@yahoo.com" To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, September 21, 2013 8:32 AM Subject: RE: Re: RE: RE: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Spirit Guided Lucid Dreaming --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote: Ann, there is definitely flat silence and lively silence. TM is about the former and TMSP is about the latter. I think the big trick about silence is to not try to have it. Awareness might be a better word than silence. Does one really have to try and be aware?! Nope, awareness is always happening. Attention may move from point to point. But awareness is constant, a field of lively potentiality. Hope this helps. Thanks for your reply Share but I am still either too unsilent (noisy) or unaware to understand. I know there are theoretical explanations and ideas about what all this means but to actually live it and then come to understand it is still not resonating for me. I know what it is to sit and meditate and there is a certain level of quiet/silence (then I fall asleep) and I know what it is like to be in the midst of activity and still feel grounded and almost removed but I am not sure that is the same thing as what the Doc is talking about or even what you are explaining here. It's pretty hard to translate one person's subjectivity into words, let alone understand it to be one's own. I think maybe we will all live in our individual worlds and we will only be able to guess at another's reality. From: "awoelflebater@..." To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, September 20, 2013 11:09 PM Subject: RE: RE: RE: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Spirit Guided Lucid Dreaming --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote: > > >What you are describing is a defense mechanism, whereas the witnessing of CC >is an actual and permanent change in how the mind operates.Silence is >ever-present during the witnessing of CC. Although there is a detachment that >comes with an out of body experience, the identity of the person, having such >an experience, remains unchanged. > > >What does that mean? If you are in CC then how come there is witnessing? Isn't >CC a sort of witnessing already? > > >The silence [of CC] is naturally occurring, so there is nothing to do about >it, either to make it go away, or to keep it around. After the mind is >conditioned to maintain Silence at all times, it cannot be reversed. If it can >be grasped onto, or destroyed in the mind, it is not yet permanent. It can >only exist effortlessly in the mind, if it is permanent. > > >What do you mean by "silence" exactly? To me this is just a word that is sort >of overused and stereotypical, like a cliche. Can you make this concept real >for me? > > >Then activity, including thoughts themselves, can be witnessed, from a deep >platform of silence. With CC, the identity shifts inwardly, towards the >silence. Then, after some time, it comes out to play again, but the silence >remains, always, continuing to grow and deepen, even in the midst of very >dynamic activities. > > >Would you equate silence with stillness or immovability (in its positive >sense)? Otherwise the concept of silence seems sort of flat or, at best, >without interesting fluctuation. > > > >--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> >>--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote: >>> >>> >>>Why do people want out of the body experiences?! Which I think can happen >>>naturally but during extreme trauma. >>> >>> >>>Would you equate "out of body experiences" the same as witnessing? Because I >>>know that when something particularly freaky or extreme happens I have >>>noticed I have some witnessing which is a kind of out of body experience. I >>>remember Barry saying he witnessed for about two weeks after having been >>>threatened at knifepoint by some Dutch mugger. >>> >>> >>>Otherwise for example, the point of the TMSP is to increase integration >>>between mind and body. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> From: "s3raphita@..." >>>To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com >>>Sent: Friday, September 20, 2013 10:54 A
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Doc, I really love all three of your recent posts about this topic of silence. Kind of illuminating for my own on going experience. Thanks. From: "doctordumb...@rocketmail.com" To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, September 21, 2013 8:36 AM Subject: RE: Re: RE: RE: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Spirit Guided Lucid Dreaming That "flat silence" and "lively silence" differentiation, was one made by Maharishi, to explain the operation of the sidhis - where they live, so to speak. In terms of experience, though, there is no difference in the silence accompanying any activity, only that it grows over time. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote: Ann, there is definitely flat silence and lively silence. TM is about the former and TMSP is about the latter. I think the big trick about silence is to not try to have it. Awareness might be a better word than silence. Does one really have to try and be aware?! Nope, awareness is always happening. Attention may move from point to point. But awareness is constant, a field of lively potentiality. Hope this helps. From: "awoelflebater@..." To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, September 20, 2013 11:09 PM Subject: RE: RE: RE: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Spirit Guided Lucid Dreaming --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote: > > >What you are describing is a defense mechanism, whereas the witnessing of CC >is an actual and permanent change in how the mind operates.Silence is >ever-present during the witnessing of CC. Although there is a detachment that >comes with an out of body experience, the identity of the person, having such >an experience, remains unchanged. > > >What does that mean? If you are in CC then how come there is witnessing? Isn't >CC a sort of witnessing already? > > >The silence [of CC] is naturally occurring, so there is nothing to do about >it, either to make it go away, or to keep it around. After the mind is >conditioned to maintain Silence at all times, it cannot be reversed. If it can >be grasped onto, or destroyed in the mind, it is not yet permanent. It can >only exist effortlessly in the mind, if it is permanent. > > >What do you mean by "silence" exactly? To me this is just a word that is sort >of overused and stereotypical, like a cliche. Can you make this concept real >for me? > > >Then activity, including thoughts themselves, can be witnessed, from a deep >platform of silence. With CC, the identity shifts inwardly, towards the >silence. Then, after some time, it comes out to play again, but the silence >remains, always, continuing to grow and deepen, even in the midst of very >dynamic activities. > > >Would you equate silence with stillness or immovability (in its positive >sense)? Otherwise the concept of silence seems sort of flat or, at best, >without interesting fluctuation. > > > >--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> >>--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote: >>> >>> >>>Why do people want out of the body experiences?! Which I think can happen >>>naturally but during extreme trauma. >>> >>> >>>Would you equate "out of body experiences" the same as witnessing? Because I >>>know that when something particularly freaky or extreme happens I have >>>noticed I have some witnessing which is a kind of out of body experience. I >>>remember Barry saying he witnessed for about two weeks after having been >>>threatened at knifepoint by some Dutch mugger. >>> >>> >>>Otherwise for example, the point of the TMSP is to increase integration >>>between mind and body. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> From: "s3raphita@..." >>>To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com >>>Sent: Friday, September 20, 2013 10:54 AM >>>Subject: [FairfieldLife] RE: Spirit Guided Lucid Dreaming >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>Re Those experiences are available during everyday life, too, not just >>>during a lucid dream, and they don't have to be unsettling. It is like being >>>aware of another frequency, and tuning in : Nick Barrett, the speaker, said >>>exactly what you're saying. He could tune in right there and then. >>> >>> >>>Do we think that "astral projection" and "out-of-the-body" experiences are >>>basically lucid dreams only entered from the waking state under one'
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Ann, there is definitely flat silence and lively silence. TM is about the former and TMSP is about the latter. I think the big trick about silence is to not try to have it. Awareness might be a better word than silence. Does one really have to try and be aware?! Nope, awareness is always happening. Attention may move from point to point. But awareness is constant, a field of lively potentiality. Hope this helps. From: "awoelfleba...@yahoo.com" To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, September 20, 2013 11:09 PM Subject: RE: RE: RE: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Spirit Guided Lucid Dreaming --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote: What you are describing is a defense mechanism, whereas the witnessing of CC is an actual and permanent change in how the mind operates.Silence is ever-present during the witnessing of CC. Although there is a detachment that comes with an out of body experience, the identity of the person, having such an experience, remains unchanged. What does that mean? If you are in CC then how come there is witnessing? Isn't CC a sort of witnessing already? The silence [of CC] is naturally occurring, so there is nothing to do about it, either to make it go away, or to keep it around. After the mind is conditioned to maintain Silence at all times, it cannot be reversed. If it can be grasped onto, or destroyed in the mind, it is not yet permanent. It can only exist effortlessly in the mind, if it is permanent. What do you mean by "silence" exactly? To me this is just a word that is sort of overused and stereotypical, like a cliche. Can you make this concept real for me? Then activity, including thoughts themselves, can be witnessed, from a deep platform of silence. With CC, the identity shifts inwardly, towards the silence. Then, after some time, it comes out to play again, but the silence remains, always, continuing to grow and deepen, even in the midst of very dynamic activities. Would you equate silence with stillness or immovability (in its positive sense)? Otherwise the concept of silence seems sort of flat or, at best, without interesting fluctuation. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote: > > > > > > >--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote: >> >> >>Why do people want out of the body experiences?! Which I think can happen >>naturally but during extreme trauma. >> >> >>Would you equate "out of body experiences" the same as witnessing? Because I >>know that when something particularly freaky or extreme happens I have >>noticed I have some witnessing which is a kind of out of body experience. I >>remember Barry saying he witnessed for about two weeks after having been >>threatened at knifepoint by some Dutch mugger. >> >> >>Otherwise for example, the point of the TMSP is to increase integration >>between mind and body. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> From: "s3raphita@..." >>To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com >>Sent: Friday, September 20, 2013 10:54 AM >>Subject: [FairfieldLife] RE: Spirit Guided Lucid Dreaming >> >> >> >> >>Re Those experiences are available during everyday life, too, not just during >>a lucid dream, and they don't have to be unsettling. It is like being aware >>of another frequency, and tuning in : Nick Barrett, the speaker, said exactly >>what you're saying. He could tune in right there and then. >> >> >>Do we think that "astral projection" and "out-of-the-body" experiences are >>basically lucid dreams only entered from the waking state under one's own >>volition? >> >> >> >>--- In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com, wrote: >>> >>> >>>Those experiences are available during everyday life, too, not just during a >>>lucid dream, and they don't have to be unsettling. It is like being aware of >>>another frequency, and tuning in for the same reason any other sense is >>>used. Exactly the same experience. >>> >>> >>>Though, in viewing the astral worlds, for example, it takes a little longer >>>to become proficient, vs. say our sense of smell, since it isn't, along with >>>lucid dreaming, introduced to us in any sort of systematic way. We sort of >>>stumble across it, and begin to discover the great depth and breadth of the >>>worlds and knowledge and experience now easily available to us, during our >>>everyday lives. After a few years of, "gee whiz", it settles down, though >>>the experiences continue to deepen, naturally. &
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I think it's more because I think so much faster than I type. It's not a conscious decision. From: "authfri...@yahoo.com" To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, September 20, 2013 2:06 PM Subject: RE: Re: Re: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Spirit Guided Lucid Dreaming I see. I don't know anybody else who does that. Is it because you're such a slow typist that four keystrokes would take so long that you wouldn't be able to finish what you had to say? How do you decide which "the" to leave out? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote: I leave it out when it doesn't seem necessary and I'm rushing. From: "authfriend@..." To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, September 20, 2013 1:32 PM Subject: RE: Re: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Spirit Guided Lucid Dreaming As you know, Share, you are being disingenuous to say my question is disingenuous, And you know exactly what I'm asking about and why: You do often leave out the definite article. Is that what you were taught to do in your grammar course, and sometimes you just forget and put it in anyway? Or did they teach you to leave it out sometimes, whenever you felt like it? Or what? Or is leaving out the article just an affectation that you think makes you look cute and smart? Because it sure doesn't make you look as if you ever actually took a grammar course. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote: > > >Judy, I think you are asking what you call a disingenuous question. >Disingenuous because as you can see in my first sentence, in the phrase THE >possessive case, I sometimes use the definite article. > > > > > > > > From: "authfriend@..." >To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com >Sent: Friday, September 20, 2013 11:58 AM >Subject: RE: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Spirit Guided Lucid Dreaming > > > > >Did this grammar course teach you to leave out the definite article? > > > >--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote: >> >> >>Another pet peeve: a person's avoiding the possessive case before a gerund (-: >>One of my favorite courses in college was an advanced grammar course. The >>errors I see now even on places like HuffPost amaze me. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> From: "s3raphita@..." >>To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com >>Sent: Friday, September 20, 2013 11:19 AM >>Subject: [FairfieldLife] RE: Spirit Guided Lucid Dreaming >> >> >> >> >>Pet peeve of mine also. And, like you, I hit the Send key just as I notice >>I've missed or added '. >> >> >>Yes, I wonder if the interest in lucid dreams and the like isn't demon Mara >>up to his old tricks making mundane things seem alluring. >> >> >> >>--- In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com, wrote: >>> >>> >>>Let dream state take its natural course I say. Pet peeve of mine with people >>>mix up it's and its! >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> > >
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Ok then, just another way that we're different. From: "authfri...@yahoo.com" To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, September 20, 2013 2:18 PM Subject: RE: Re: Re: Re: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Spirit Guided Lucid Dreaming Everybody thinks much faster than they type. I would not be able to leave out a "the" without having made a conscious decision to do so. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote: I think it's more because I think so much faster than I type. It's not a conscious decision. From: "authfriend@..." To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, September 20, 2013 2:06 PM Subject: RE: Re: Re: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Spirit Guided Lucid Dreaming I see. I don't know anybody else who does that. Is it because you're such a slow typist that four keystrokes would take so long that you wouldn't be able to finish what you had to say? How do you decide which "the" to leave out? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote: > > >I leave it out when it doesn't seem necessary and I'm rushing. > > > > > > > > From: "authfriend@..." >To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com >Sent: Friday, September 20, 2013 1:32 PM >Subject: RE: Re: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Spirit Guided Lucid Dreaming > > > > >As you know, Share, you are being disingenuous to say my question is >disingenuous, And you know exactly what I'm asking about and why: You do often >leave out the definite article. > > >Is that what you were taught to do in your grammar course, and sometimes you >just forget and put it in anyway? Or did they teach you to leave it out >sometimes, whenever you felt like it? Or what? > > >Or is leaving out the article just an affectation that you think makes you >look cute and smart? Because it sure doesn't make you look as if you ever >actually took a grammar course. > > > > > >--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote: >> >> >>Judy, I think you are asking what you call a disingenuous question. >>Disingenuous because as you can see in my first sentence, in the phrase THE >>possessive case, I sometimes use the definite article. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> From: "authfriend@..." >>To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com >>Sent: Friday, September 20, 2013 11:58 AM >>Subject: RE: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Spirit Guided Lucid Dreaming >> >> >> >> >>Did this grammar course teach you to leave out the definite article? >> >> >> >>--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote: >>> >>> >>>Another pet peeve: a person's avoiding the possessive case before a gerund >>>(-: >>>One of my favorite courses in college was an advanced grammar course. The >>>errors I see now even on places like HuffPost amaze me. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> From: "s3raphita@..." >>>To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com >>>Sent: Friday, September 20, 2013 11:19 AM >>>Subject: [FairfieldLife] RE: Spirit Guided Lucid Dreaming >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>Pet peeve of mine also. And, like you, I hit the Send key just as I notice >>>I've missed or added '. >>> >>> >>>Yes, I wonder if the interest in lucid dreams and the like isn't demon Mara >>>up to his old tricks making mundane things seem alluring. >>> >>> >>> >>>--- In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com, wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>>Let dream state take its natural course I say. Pet peeve of mine with >>>>people mix up it's and its! >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >> >> > >
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I leave it out when it doesn't seem necessary and I'm rushing. From: "authfri...@yahoo.com" To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, September 20, 2013 1:32 PM Subject: RE: Re: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Spirit Guided Lucid Dreaming As you know, Share, you are being disingenuous to say my question is disingenuous, And you know exactly what I'm asking about and why: You do often leave out the definite article. Is that what you were taught to do in your grammar course, and sometimes you just forget and put it in anyway? Or did they teach you to leave it out sometimes, whenever you felt like it? Or what? Or is leaving out the article just an affectation that you think makes you look cute and smart? Because it sure doesn't make you look as if you ever actually took a grammar course. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote: Judy, I think you are asking what you call a disingenuous question. Disingenuous because as you can see in my first sentence, in the phrase THE possessive case, I sometimes use the definite article. From: "authfriend@..." To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, September 20, 2013 11:58 AM Subject: RE: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Spirit Guided Lucid Dreaming Did this grammar course teach you to leave out the definite article? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote: > > >Another pet peeve: a person's avoiding the possessive case before a gerund (-: >One of my favorite courses in college was an advanced grammar course. The >errors I see now even on places like HuffPost amaze me. > > > > > > > > From: "s3raphita@..." >To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com >Sent: Friday, September 20, 2013 11:19 AM >Subject: [FairfieldLife] RE: Spirit Guided Lucid Dreaming > > > > >Pet peeve of mine also. And, like you, I hit the Send key just as I notice >I've missed or added '. > > >Yes, I wonder if the interest in lucid dreams and the like isn't demon Mara up >to his old tricks making mundane things seem alluring. > > > >--- In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com, wrote: >> >> >>Let dream state take its natural course I say. Pet peeve of mine with people >>mix up it's and its! >> >> >> >> >> > >
