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Thanks Doc for your diagnosis too. I concur. Yep, these intellectual guys work way too hard at something that is much simpler as It is. It is, as is Simplest state of Being, with a nose in the human life. It is fabulous in reality. They are so close and so knowledgeable in ways you can feel they just should come back, get their Dome badge updated, sit up and really go for It and git along for the finish line. Like, what else are they dooing? I sense Annex should come back; like he so wants it, should get on back on faculty again and really go for It some more. Attend to It and sit more intently with It more. Is an amazing benefit of Being on MUM faculty for instance, that you get housing, meals, stipend, and the time actually structured to the work day to do long meditation and Be with the Knowledge. It is incredible. It is way better than say, just Federal prison where you just get three squares and some clothes to wear, or just working out in the world. And, hey there are more graduate degrees that can be taken too as a means to Be here. It is a great prescription for finishing a life on earth while you have it. Life is so pitiful and pitiable otherwise. I'd say, Git on with It. It is time for old meditators who do know better to Be here now and git it done, -Buck in the Dome Like what are people waiting for! ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mdixon.6569@... wrote: Interesting. I used to have a lot of visual and auditory experiences in meditation and they always left me confused. I would come out of meditation and deny what I had just *seen* or *heard* until I realized it wasn't a matter of *seeing* or *hearing*, it was a matter of *Being*. I didn't *see* it because I *was* it. *I* was the whole experience. M used to say, Unity, it it's early days, can be very confusing. Never understood what he meant at the time, then it dawned on me. On Friday, November 29, 2013 5:51 AM, anartaxius@... anartaxius@... wrote: There is the experience of wholeness. You are not 'in it', the experience is it; there is nothing attached to it. The mind can play the game of trying to understand it with its habit of conditional thinking but ultimately it just has to surrender to the fact that that doesn't work. The unity does not have to do anything to hold together; it is not like a ball of caramel popcorn stuck together that can come apart. There is what is described as unity, but there is no one in it. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: OK - Thank you for revealing your lack of experience with GC. Frankly, it didn't sound to me, as if you knew what you were talking about, when you first brought it up. I am also curious why you think you are in unity. It sounds like your unity has a lot of conditions attached to it, in order to remain unified. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anartaxius@... wrote: The thought popped into my head, and then I put to the keyboard and you read it. As basically an atheist, I seemed to have mostly done an end run around GC, it had no conceptual material to work with, as GC, as M explained it, derives its material from what one's beliefs are in regard to spiritual traditions etc. Still this state is described in various ways. For example the philosopher Plotinus said nous (pure being) falls in love and is simplified into a happy fullness. I remember writing some things long ago that from an emotional point of view correspond with what Buck is writing now, but I did not express it in religious terms. Benchmarks are guide posts but are not rigid time and place dependent markers, and you might experience something of unity even when you are barely transcending as a new meditator, or if you are one of those rare individuals like Ekhart Tolle or Krishnamurti, you might just slip into unity without any preliminaries. Unity throws you off the path, the path dies, you are on your own, and there is no way to doubt it, if it is clear enough. By on your own, I mean there isn't anything else, even though you can refer to your body as 'me' and so forth. Everything that went before is seen through as having been as a fraud. Eventually you can look at it any way you like, as wholeness, as unity, as duality. Everything that was there before is still there except the relationship of thought with experience undergoes a profound shift, their roles are reversed so to speak, thought becoming secondary. Those words, duality, unity are not what is experienced, they are just ways you try to convey the potential of that experience to someone else. You cannot give it to them because they have it in spades already. They just do not realise what it can be for them so you try to light a fire under them to get them moving in the proper direction, which is not a direction at all. Basically you want their mind to completely stop, and eventually recognize what the significance of that
RE: RE: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: A Meditator#39;s Thanksgiving
Synchronicity. Dang look here, on the Zen Calendar for today out in the outhouse on the shelf right next to that other paper... “In their deepest nature humans are Buddha, as water is ice. And there is not ice without water, so without the Buddha there could be no humans. Woe to them who seek it in the far distance, and know not that it is very near.” -Hakuin The Zen Calendar For 11/29/2013 it’s a daily quote, koan, sutra, or parable to ensure every morning gets off to an enlightened start. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck wrote: Thanks Doc for your diagnosis too. I concur. Yep, these intellectual guys work way too hard at something that is much simpler as It is. It is, as is Simplest state of Being, with a nose in the human life. It is fabulous in reality. They are so close and so knowledgeable in ways you can feel they just should come back, get their Dome badge updated, sit up and really go for It and git along for the finish line. Like, what else are they dooing? I sense Annex should come back; like he so wants It, should get on back on faculty again and really go for It some more. Attend to It and sit more intently with It more. Is an amazing benefit of Being on MUM faculty for instance, that you get housing, meals, stipend, and the time actually structured to the work day to do long meditation and Be with the Knowledge. It is incredible. It is way better than say, just Federal prison where you just get three squares and some clothes to wear, or just working out in the world. And, hey there are more graduate degrees that can be taken too as a means to Be here. It is a great prescription for finishing a life on earth while you have it. Life is so pitiful and pitiable otherwise. I'd say, Git on with It. It is time for old meditators who do know better to Be here now and git it done, -Buck in the Dome Like what are people waiting for! ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mdixon.6569@... wrote: Interesting. I used to have a lot of visual and auditory experiences in meditation and they always left me confused. I would come out of meditation and deny what I had just *seen* or *heard* until I realized it wasn't a matter of *seeing* or *hearing*, it was a matter of *Being*. I didn't *see* it because I *was* it. *I* was the whole experience. M used to say, Unity, it it's early days, can be very confusing. Never understood what he meant at the time, then it dawned on me. On Friday, November 29, 2013 5:51 AM, anartaxius@... anartaxius@... wrote: There is the experience of wholeness. You are not 'in it', the experience is it; there is nothing attached to it. The mind can play the game of trying to understand it with its habit of conditional thinking but ultimately it just has to surrender to the fact that that doesn't work. The unity does not have to do anything to hold together; it is not like a ball of caramel popcorn stuck together that can come apart. There is what is described as unity, but there is no one in it. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: OK - Thank you for revealing your lack of experience with GC. Frankly, it didn't sound to me, as if you knew what you were talking about, when you first brought it up. I am also curious why you think you are in unity. It sounds like your unity has a lot of conditions attached to it, in order to remain unified. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anartaxius@... wrote: The thought popped into my head, and then I put to the keyboard and you read it. As basically an atheist, I seemed to have mostly done an end run around GC, it had no conceptual material to work with, as GC, as M explained it, derives its material from what one's beliefs are in regard to spiritual traditions etc. Still this state is described in various ways. For example the philosopher Plotinus said nous (pure being) falls in love and is simplified into a happy fullness. I remember writing some things long ago that from an emotional point of view correspond with what Buck is writing now, but I did not express it in religious terms. Benchmarks are guide posts but are not rigid time and place dependent markers, and you might experience something of unity even when you are barely transcending as a new meditator, or if you are one of those rare individuals like Ekhart Tolle or Krishnamurti, you might just slip into unity without any preliminaries. Unity throws you off the path, the path dies, you are on your own, and there is no way to doubt it, if it is clear enough. By on your own, I mean there isn't anything else, even though you can refer to your body as 'me' and so forth. Everything that went before is seen through as having been as a fraud. Eventually you can look at it any way you like, as wholeness, as unity, as duality. Everything that was there before is still there except the relationship of thought with experience
