Re: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: US Federal Government Is Shut Down
I don't know about this *amendment*, but people renounce their citizenship all the time. In fact it's at record levels today. People don't secede, they renounce citizenship, give up their passports. Governmental entities secede. When in the course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal stations to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind, requires that they separate, that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation. Our own declaration of Independence. I don't think the Supreme Court ever ruled as to whether session is legal or not. Jefferson Davis was never brought to trial for fear the Supreme Court would rule in his favor, that the Southern states had the right to secede just as the colonies seceded from Great Britain. Anyway we're not there yet. Moving in that direction but a long way to go. From: jr_...@yahoo.com jr_...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, October 1, 2013 7:13 PM Subject: RE: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: US Federal Government Is Shut Down Mike, I've read these arguments that you mentioned before. I believe there's an Amendment in the US Constitution that states any American born in the US cannot secede from the Union. So, it doesn't appear that any Texans in the state can qualify for seceding from the USA. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote: Of course the US can annex other countries if they petition to join. Texas was a free Republic once they gained independence from Mexico. Joined the Union in 1845. As a Repubic, Texas has always claimed the right to leave the union. Not so sure the civil war settled that issue since the other states were never independent republics. Texas also intered under the stipulation that it could subdivide into five seperate states. From: jr_esq@... jr_esq@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, October 1, 2013 1:33 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] RE: US Federal Government Is Shut Down Mike, I actually believe that it's possible for the US to acquire other states in the world. It's possible for Canada to voluntary join in since the two countries are already fairly similar in cultures. Although the national language differs, it's also possible for Mexico to be annexed just like all of the southwestern states, which were originally part of Mexico before the Mexican-American War. But given the fiscal turf battles in Congress at this time, it doesn't appear the US has the power to unify the interests of everyone. ---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com, mdixon.6569@... wrote: Can ju se, Ola! hable Espanol? From: jr_esq@... jr_esq@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, October 1, 2013 12:35 PM Subject: RE: Re: [FairfieldLife] US Federal Government Is Shut Down Bhairitu, I just looked up in Wikipedia about the three potential states in California, which includes the wannabee state of Jefferson, located in northern California. It sounds ideal. But I don't believe Governor Brown or his successors will let this happen. For one, politics and money will eventually get in the way. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Secession_in_California Also, I read about the concept of Nine Nations of North America. The idea is fascinating. But who would like to be called a resident of the Empty Quarter? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote: Perhaps the stupid country should fall. US Government is an oxymoron anymore. Perhaps we ought to be 9 different countries instead, along the geographical lines of the Nine Nations of North America. That always made sense to me. California, as it is, should be 3 states anyway. The area would get 4 more Senators but we really do need to get rid of Diane Fein$tein. Then maybe we could have what other countries have and that is Single Payer healthcare. Instead we waste trillions on foreign wars to protect American interests. Not they count on the public thinking American interests are going after terrorists and establishing democracies when really American interests are the US corporate pirates who want to raid the country for it's resources. Secondly we need to get rid of the AMA who keeps people out of medical school who have a true interest in medicine and instead support the old boys network of sons and daughters of mediocre MDs attending medical school. On 10/01/2013 09:48 AM, doctordumbass@... wrote: Funny thing - My health insurance policy just expired, because it doesn't meet the provisions of the new law. When I first signed up a year ago, my policy premium, which only covers
Re: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: US Federal Government Is Shut Down
Mike, thanks for providing this good info about the difference bt individuals and groups separating from a group. It's great to learn something new. From: Mike Dixon mdixon.6...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, October 2, 2013 9:04 AM Subject: Re: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: US Federal Government Is Shut Down I don't know about this *amendment*, but people renounce their citizenship all the time. In fact it's at record levels today. People don't secede, they renounce citizenship, give up their passports. Governmental entities secede. When in the course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal stations to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind, requires that they separate, that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation. Our own declaration of Independence. I don't think the Supreme Court ever ruled as to whether session is legal or not. Jefferson Davis was never brought to trial for fear the Supreme Court would rule in his favor, that the Southern states had the right to secede just as the colonies seceded from Great Britain. Anyway we're not there yet. Moving in that direction but a long way to go. From: jr_...@yahoo.com jr_...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, October 1, 2013 7:13 PM Subject: RE: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: US Federal Government Is Shut Down Mike, I've read these arguments that you mentioned before. I believe there's an Amendment in the US Constitution that states any American born in the US cannot secede from the Union. So, it doesn't appear that any Texans in the state can qualify for seceding from the USA. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote: Of course the US can annex other countries if they petition to join. Texas was a free Republic once they gained independence from Mexico. Joined the Union in 1845. As a Repubic, Texas has always claimed the right to leave the union. Not so sure the civil war settled that issue since the other states were never independent republics. Texas also intered under the stipulation that it could subdivide into five seperate states. From: jr_esq@... jr_esq@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, October 1, 2013 1:33 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] RE: US Federal Government Is Shut Down Mike, I actually believe that it's possible for the US to acquire other states in the world. It's possible for Canada to voluntary join in since the two countries are already fairly similar in cultures. Although the national language differs, it's also possible for Mexico to be annexed just like all of the southwestern states, which were originally part of Mexico before the Mexican-American War. But given the fiscal turf battles in Congress at this time, it doesn't appear the US has the power to unify the interests of everyone. ---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com, mdixon.6569@... wrote: Can ju se, Ola! hable Espanol? From: jr_esq@... jr_esq@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, October 1, 2013 12:35 PM Subject: RE: Re: [FairfieldLife] US Federal Government Is Shut Down Bhairitu, I just looked up in Wikipedia about the three potential states in California, which includes the wannabee state of Jefferson, located in northern California. It sounds ideal. But I don't believe Governor Brown or his successors will let this happen. For one, politics and money will eventually get in the way. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Secession_in_California Also, I read about the concept of Nine Nations of North America. The idea is fascinating. But who would like to be called a resident of the Empty Quarter? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote: Perhaps the stupid country should fall. US Government is an oxymoron anymore. Perhaps we ought to be 9 different countries instead, along the geographical lines of the Nine Nations of North America. That always made sense to me. California, as it is, should be 3 states anyway. The area would get 4 more Senators but we really do need to get rid of Diane Fein$tein. Then maybe we could have what other countries have and that is Single Payer healthcare. Instead we waste trillions on foreign wars to protect American interests. Not they count on the public thinking American interests are going after terrorists and establishing democracies when really American interests are the US corporate pirates who want to raid the country for it's resources. Secondly we need to get rid of the AMA who keeps people out of medical school who have a true interest in medicine and instead support the old boys network of sons and daughters
Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: US Federal Government Is Shut Down
Of course the US can annex other countries if they petition to join. Texas was a free Republic once they gained independence from Mexico. Joined the Union in 1845. As a Repubic, Texas has always claimed the right to leave the union. Not so sure the civil war settled that issue since the other states were never independent republics. Texas also intered under the stipulation that it could subdivide into five seperate states. From: jr_...@yahoo.com jr_...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, October 1, 2013 1:33 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] RE: US Federal Government Is Shut Down Mike, I actually believe that it's possible for the US to acquire other states in the world. It's possible for Canada to voluntary join in since the two countries are already fairly similar in cultures. Although the national language differs, it's also possible for Mexico to be annexed just like all of the southwestern states, which were originally part of Mexico before the Mexican-American War. But given the fiscal turf battles in Congress at this time, it doesn't appear the US has the power to unify the interests of everyone. ---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com, mdixon.6569@... wrote: Can ju se, Ola! hable Espanol? From: jr_esq@... jr_esq@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, October 1, 2013 12:35 PM Subject: RE: Re: [FairfieldLife] US Federal Government Is Shut Down Bhairitu, I just looked up in Wikipedia about the three potential states in California, which includes the wannabee state of Jefferson, located in northern California. It sounds ideal. But I don't believe Governor Brown or his successors will let this happen. For one, politics and money will eventually get in the way. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Secession_in_California Also, I read about the concept of Nine Nations of North America. The idea is fascinating. But who would like to be called a resident of the Empty Quarter? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote: Perhaps the stupid country should fall. US Government is an oxymoron anymore. Perhaps we ought to be 9 different countries instead, along the geographical lines of the Nine Nations of North America. That always made sense to me. California, as it is, should be 3 states anyway. The area would get 4 more Senators but we really do need to get rid of Diane Fein$tein. Then maybe we could have what other countries have and that is Single Payer healthcare. Instead we waste trillions on foreign wars to protect American interests. Not they count on the public thinking American interests are going after terrorists and establishing democracies when really American interests are the US corporate pirates who want to raid the country for it's resources. Secondly we need to get rid of the AMA who keeps people out of medical school who have a true interest in medicine and instead support the old boys network of sons and daughters of mediocre MDs attending medical school. On 10/01/2013 09:48 AM, doctordumbass@... wrote: Funny thing - My health insurance policy just expired, because it doesn't meet the provisions of the new law. When I first signed up a year ago, my policy premium, which only covers catastrophic care (deductible is $3300 per year), was $200/mo. I am in close to perfect health - pulse at about 50, never go to the doctor. Two months after signing up for my insurance, I got a notice saying my premium was being re-evaluated, and would probably go down, and they jumped it to $275/mo. instead. So I have been paying that every month, and haven't even selected a doctor - Why? Because I am never ill. The last notice in the mail for the expired insurance coverage I have never used, says the premium, should I continue with a comparable plan, with an even greater deductible, will now go to $570/mo. I recognize I am subsidizing all the people my age (59) who are in poor health, but Jesus Fucking Christ. So, if that is the best I can do, I will now opt for insuring myself, by myself, and pay the government fine. Much, much cheaper that way. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mailto:fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote: I wonder if any of the FFL'ers caught the former Iowa Senator Tom Harkin's comment over the weekend that the US is the most dangerous place it's been since before the Civil War? I was actually working in government as a temp for EDS when it shut down during the Carter Administration. I think I got a day or two off then the temp agency put me to work for another company. On 09/30/2013 09:45 PM, jr_esq@... wrote: Our politicians failed us again. They could not run the government for the good of the people. In astrological terms, the US government has fallen in the zodiac sign of Libra where the Sun is debilitated. Our politicians
