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Judy, are you saying that Xeno accused you of lying twice?! Once with *if true* and once about Whole Foods?! Xeno's intention seemed friendly to me even tho he got it wrong about your alleged desire for privacy. From: authfri...@yahoo.com authfri...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, September 23, 2013 8:00 AM Subject: RE: RE: Re: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Surviving Whole Foods BTW, Share, another thing you missed is that there was no desire for privacy on my part in my exchange with Richard; that was purely Xeno's notion. As I explained to Xeno, Richard already knew where I live, because I've mentioned it here before. And because Richard had looked up the locations of Whole Foods stores in New Jersey, he knew there was one quite close to me (he even posted the address). My point was Richard's flagrant dishonesty in (among other things) claiming the nearest one was a long bus ride and two hours distant. It was one of his stupid and petty attempts at trolling. It didn't warrant any discussion other than as a way of highlighting Richard's behavior here. There was no reason for Xeno to intervene; although it became clear later why he did: to suggest that I might be the one who was lying. Ironically, that was also a stupid and dishonest troll on Xeno's part. Share wrote: Judy, right before this argument, Xeno defended you and your desire for privacy to Richard with regards to Whole Foods.
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Judy, here you begin by telling Xeno he's either dishonest or stupid. Then you go on to say TWICE that he's not stupid. Ergo, you are saying in a convoluted way that he's dishonest. From: authfri...@yahoo.com authfri...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, September 23, 2013 7:28 AM Subject: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Surviving Whole Foods Xeno wrote: I did notice that you did not document a number of comments you made here. But this response simplifies things immensely because if this is true, anything I write to you here on FFL in the absence of my documentation here with regard to these points or my withdrawing my comments here and earlier in the thread, by your own words must stop you from responding if you do not wish to go back on your word. Very Robinish! You are either very dishonest or very stupid. You made accusations which, if they were true, you would be able to document. I made no such accusations. I don't think you're so stupid as not to have realized this. I said I wouldn't discuss anything with you unless you withdraw your accusations (you can't document them because they're patently not true). I didn't say I wouldn't comment if I found it appropriate to do so (e.g., if you make any more false or insulting statements about me, I may respond to them). But your accusations, as long as they're on the table, have effectively foreclosed on the possibility of our having a friendly discussion of philosophy or science or music or any other neutral topic. And that's not even a tiny bit Robinish, nor are you so stupid as to think it is. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com authfriend wrote: Xeno wrote: Authfriend wrote: 'For, what, the sixth time, what was the basis for your suspicion that what I had written was a lie?' You seem to be looking for a response from me of the form J says x but y is true. I am looking for an explanation of why you think this. But it is not a specific fact that makes me come to my conclusion. It is rather your pattern of deviousness OK, stop right there and document that I have a pattern of deviousness, with examples. I am not devious, I am as straightforward as it gets, so it's going to be pretty difficult. and extended argumentation, which is an intuitive and subjective evaluation by which I come to this conclusion. You kind of remind me of the tenant portrayed by Michael Keaton the movie 'Pacific Heights'. You begin with the appearance of being on the level, and then Wikipedia: In Internet slang, a troll is a person who sows discord on the Internet by starting arguments I have been known to start an argument. So have you, so have many others here. Since when is this a sign of a pattern of deviousness? or upsetting people, by posting inflammatory, extraneous, or off-topic messages in an online community (such as a forum, chat room, or blog), either accidentally or with the deliberate intent of provoking readers into an emotional response or of otherwise disrupting normal on-topic discussion. Yeah, I don't do any of that. And I'm quite sure you know it. And in fact, I undoubtedly engage in some of the same when I am arguing with you; there does not seem to be much choice if one wants to continue the discussion. I do not like to sow discord, but it inevitably happens when we get into a discussion. Do I ever lie? The answer is yes. Even M recommended lying under certain circumstances. This world of illusion is rotten to the core. Do you ever lie? Of all the people currently on FFL, you accuse others of lying more than anyone. That is of course, my other reason for suspecting you of a lack of integrity. That's not a rational reason, of course. And I don't just accuse, I document my accusations. Certain people seem to manage to create the aura of integrity without insisting others prove their own or without asking others to apologise for doubting theirs. The late Senator Moynihan from New York comes to mind, a rarity in the political world. In my world, the personal aspect of life really cannot have integrity; only the whole of life has integrity, but that is not the integrity arrived at by conforming to a model of behaviour; it is simply it cannot be compared to anything else. Blablabla...more irrelevant bafflegab. I just find it disingenuous that you try to ride the moral high horse, from which you have fallen long ago Please give the specifics of this claim (including when this falling purportedly happened). you are rather lifting the tail of a dead one. I never really could ride a horse myself. As an individual body, there is always something corruptible when compared to some fictional higher standard. If you want to discuss philosophy or science
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What did I get? That you called Xeno dishonest in a convoluted way? But you claim to be the most straight forward poster! From: authfri...@yahoo.com authfri...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, September 23, 2013 10:00 AM Subject: RE: Re: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Surviving Whole Foods Very good, Share, you got that at least. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote: Judy, here you begin by telling Xeno he's either dishonest or stupid. Then you go on to say TWICE that he's not stupid. Ergo, you are saying in a convoluted way that he's dishonest. From: authfriend@... authfriend@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, September 23, 2013 7:28 AM Subject: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Surviving Whole Foods Xeno wrote: I did notice that you did not document a number of comments you made here. But this response simplifies things immensely because if this is true, anything I write to you here on FFL in the absence of my documentation here with regard to these points or my withdrawing my comments here and earlier in the thread, by your own words must stop you from responding if you do not wish to go back on your word. Very Robinish! You are either very dishonest or very stupid. You made accusations which, if they were true, you would be able to document. I made no such accusations. I don't think you're so stupid as not to have realized this. I said I wouldn't discuss anything with you unless you withdraw your accusations (you can't document them because they're patently not true). I didn't say I wouldn't comment if I found it appropriate to do so (e.g., if you make any more false or insulting statements about me, I may respond to them). But your accusations, as long as they're on the table, have effectively foreclosed on the possibility of our having a friendly discussion of philosophy or science or music or any other neutral topic. And that's not even a tiny bit Robinish, nor are you so stupid as to think it is. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com authfriend wrote: Xeno wrote: Authfriend wrote: 'For, what, the sixth time, what was the basis for your suspicion that what I had written was a lie?' You seem to be looking for a response from me of the form J says x but y is true. I am looking for an explanation of why you think this. But it is not a specific fact that makes me come to my conclusion. It is rather your pattern of deviousness OK, stop right there and document that I have a pattern of deviousness, with examples. I am not devious, I am as straightforward as it gets, so it's going to be pretty difficult. and extended argumentation, which is an intuitive and subjective evaluation by which I come to this conclusion. You kind of remind me of the tenant portrayed by Michael Keaton the movie 'Pacific Heights'. You begin with the appearance of being on the level, and then Wikipedia: In Internet slang, a troll is a person who sows discord on the Internet by starting arguments I have been known to start an argument. So have you, so have many others here. Since when is this a sign of a pattern of deviousness? or upsetting people, by posting inflammatory, extraneous, or off-topic messages in an online community (such as a forum, chat room, or blog), either accidentally or with the deliberate intent of provoking readers into an emotional response or of otherwise disrupting normal on-topic discussion. Yeah, I don't do any of that. And I'm quite sure you know it. And in fact, I undoubtedly engage in some of the same when I am arguing with you; there does not seem to be much choice if one wants to continue the discussion. I do not like to sow discord, but it inevitably happens when we get into a discussion. Do I ever lie? The answer is yes. Even M recommended lying under certain circumstances. This world of illusion is rotten to the core. Do you ever lie? Of all the people currently on FFL, you accuse others of lying more than anyone. That is of course, my other reason for suspecting you of a lack of integrity. That's not a rational reason, of course. And I don't just accuse, I document my accusations. Certain people seem to manage to create the aura of integrity without insisting others prove their own or without asking others to apologise for doubting theirs. The late Senator Moynihan from New York comes to mind, a rarity in the political world. In my world, the personal aspect of life really cannot have integrity; only the whole of life has integrity, but that is not the integrity arrived at by conforming to a model of behaviour
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I have no control over which posts of mine you read, Judy, ergo I have no control over how you spend your time on FFL. From: authfri...@yahoo.com authfri...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, September 23, 2013 9:58 AM Subject: RE: Re: RE: Re: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Surviving Whole Foods Share, if you want to know what I'm saying, go back and read the exchange from the beginning, because I've said it all there already. Don't waste my time with stupid questions, please. And I'm not the least bit interested in how things seem to you. As you may have noticed, I don't exactly hold your ability to evaluate what happens on FFL in high esteem. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote: Judy, are you saying that Xeno accused you of lying twice?! Once with *if true* and once about Whole Foods?! Xeno's intention seemed friendly to me even tho he got it wrong about your alleged desire for privacy. From: authfriend@... authfriend@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, September 23, 2013 8:00 AM Subject: RE: RE: Re: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Surviving Whole Foods BTW, Share, another thing you missed is that there was no desire for privacy on my part in my exchange with Richard; that was purely Xeno's notion. As I explained to Xeno, Richard already knew where I live, because I've mentioned it here before. And because Richard had looked up the locations of Whole Foods stores in New Jersey, he knew there was one quite close to me (he even posted the address). My point was Richard's flagrant dishonesty in (among other things) claiming the nearest one was a long bus ride and two hours distant. It was one of his stupid and petty attempts at trolling. It didn't warrant any discussion other than as a way of highlighting Richard's behavior here. There was no reason for Xeno to intervene; although it became clear later why he did: to suggest that I might be the one who was lying. Ironically, that was also a stupid and dishonest troll on Xeno's part. Share wrote: Judy, right before this argument, Xeno defended you and your desire for privacy to Richard with regards to Whole Foods.
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Dudy, you told ME not to waste YOUR time! Duh! How can I possibly waste YOUR time?! As Spock would say: your logic is weak. From: authfri...@yahoo.com authfri...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, September 23, 2013 10:12 AM Subject: RE: Re: Re: RE: Re: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Surviving Whole Foods Share tried a blather instead of a blither: I have no control over which posts of mine you read, Judy, ergo I have no control over how you spend your time on FFL. I don't believe I said you did, Share. What you do have control over is whether you ask stupid questions. Oh, wait... From: authfriend@... authfriend@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, September 23, 2013 9:58 AM Subject: RE: Re: RE: Re: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Surviving Whole Foods Share, if you want to know what I'm saying, go back and read the exchange from the beginning, because I've said it all there already. Don't waste my time with stupid questions, please. And I'm not the least bit interested in how things seem to you. As you may have noticed, I don't exactly hold your ability to evaluate what happens on FFL in high esteem. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote: Judy, are you saying that Xeno accused you of lying twice?! Once with *if true* and once about Whole Foods?! Xeno's intention seemed friendly to me even tho he got it wrong about your alleged desire for privacy. From: authfriend@... authfriend@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, September 23, 2013 8:00 AM Subject: RE: RE: Re: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Surviving Whole Foods BTW, Share, another thing you missed is that there was no desire for privacy on my part in my exchange with Richard; that was purely Xeno's notion. As I explained to Xeno, Richard already knew where I live, because I've mentioned it here before. And because Richard had looked up the locations of Whole Foods stores in New Jersey, he knew there was one quite close to me (he even posted the address). My point was Richard's flagrant dishonesty in (among other things) claiming the nearest one was a long bus ride and two hours distant. It was one of his stupid and petty attempts at trolling. It didn't warrant any discussion other than as a way of highlighting Richard's behavior here. There was no reason for Xeno to intervene; although it became clear later why he did: to suggest that I might be the one who was lying. Ironically, that was also a stupid and dishonest troll on Xeno's part. Share wrote: Judy, right before this argument, Xeno defended you and your desire for privacy to Richard with regards to Whole Foods.
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Share, you need to learn how to process your own emotions - you are bleeding heavily again. Does meditation help you with this? Did you meditate before you launched your brain on FFL this morning? Did you have a cup of coffee (one of the super foods in the article you posted the other day that I got a good laugh at)? What *are* you trying to achieve here this morning? Ask yourself this. From: Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, September 23, 2013 8:19 AM Subject: Re: Re: Re: RE: Re: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Surviving Whole Foods Dudy, you told ME not to waste YOUR time! Duh! How can I possibly waste YOUR time?! As Spock would say: your logic is weak. From: authfri...@yahoo.com authfri...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, September 23, 2013 10:12 AM Subject: RE: Re: Re: RE: Re: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Surviving Whole Foods Share tried a blather instead of a blither: I have no control over which posts of mine you read, Judy, ergo I have no control over how you spend your time on FFL. I don't believe I said you did, Share. What you do have control over is whether you ask stupid questions. Oh, wait... From: authfriend@... authfriend@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, September 23, 2013 9:58 AM Subject: RE: Re: RE: Re: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Surviving Whole Foods Share, if you want to know what I'm saying, go back and read the exchange from the beginning, because I've said it all there already. Don't waste my time with stupid questions, please. And I'm not the least bit interested in how things seem to you. As you may have noticed, I don't exactly hold your ability to evaluate what happens on FFL in high esteem. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote: Judy, are you saying that Xeno accused you of lying twice?! Once with *if true* and once about Whole Foods?! Xeno's intention seemed friendly to me even tho he got it wrong about your alleged desire for privacy. From: authfriend@... authfriend@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, September 23, 2013 8:00 AM Subject: RE: RE: Re: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Surviving Whole Foods BTW, Share, another thing you missed is that there was no desire for privacy on my part in my exchange with Richard; that was purely Xeno's notion. As I explained to Xeno, Richard already knew where I live, because I've mentioned it here before. And because Richard had looked up the locations of Whole Foods stores in New Jersey, he knew there was one quite close to me (he even posted the address). My point was Richard's flagrant dishonesty in (among other things) claiming the nearest one was a long bus ride and two hours distant. It was one of his stupid and petty attempts at trolling. It didn't warrant any discussion other than as a way of highlighting Richard's behavior here. There was no reason for Xeno to intervene; although it became clear later why he did: to suggest that I might be the one who was lying. Ironically, that was also a stupid and dishonest troll on Xeno's part. Share wrote: Judy, right before this argument, Xeno defended you and your desire for privacy to Richard with regards to Whole Foods.
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Emily, join in the fun, why don't you? From: Emily Reyn emilymae.r...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, September 23, 2013 10:24 AM Subject: Re: Re: Re: RE: Re: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Surviving Whole Foods Share, you need to learn how to process your own emotions - you are bleeding heavily again. Does meditation help you with this? Did you meditate before you launched your brain on FFL this morning? Did you have a cup of coffee (one of the super foods in the article you posted the other day that I got a good laugh at)? What *are* you trying to achieve here this morning? Ask yourself this. From: Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, September 23, 2013 8:19 AM Subject: Re: Re: Re: RE: Re: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Surviving Whole Foods Dudy, you told ME not to waste YOUR time! Duh! How can I possibly waste YOUR time?! As Spock would say: your logic is weak. From: authfri...@yahoo.com authfri...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, September 23, 2013 10:12 AM Subject: RE: Re: Re: RE: Re: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Surviving Whole Foods Share tried a blather instead of a blither: I have no control over which posts of mine you read, Judy, ergo I have no control over how you spend your time on FFL. I don't believe I said you did, Share. What you do have control over is whether you ask stupid questions. Oh, wait... From: authfriend@... authfriend@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, September 23, 2013 9:58 AM Subject: RE: Re: RE: Re: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Surviving Whole Foods Share, if you want to know what I'm saying, go back and read the exchange from the beginning, because I've said it all there already. Don't waste my time with stupid questions, please. And I'm not the least bit interested in how things seem to you. As you may have noticed, I don't exactly hold your ability to evaluate what happens on FFL in high esteem. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote: Judy, are you saying that Xeno accused you of lying twice?! Once with *if true* and once about Whole Foods?! Xeno's intention seemed friendly to me even tho he got it wrong about your alleged desire for privacy. From: authfriend@... authfriend@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, September 23, 2013 8:00 AM Subject: RE: RE: Re: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Surviving Whole Foods BTW, Share, another thing you missed is that there was no desire for privacy on my part in my exchange with Richard; that was purely Xeno's notion. As I explained to Xeno, Richard already knew where I live, because I've mentioned it here before. And because Richard had looked up the locations of Whole Foods stores in New Jersey, he knew there was one quite close to me (he even posted the address). My point was Richard's flagrant dishonesty in (among other things) claiming the nearest one was a long bus ride and two hours distant. It was one of his stupid and petty attempts at trolling. It didn't warrant any discussion other than as a way of highlighting Richard's behavior here. There was no reason for Xeno to intervene; although it became clear later why he did: to suggest that I might be the one who was lying. Ironically, that was also a stupid and dishonest troll on Xeno's part. Share wrote: Judy, right before this argument, Xeno defended you and your desire for privacy to Richard with regards to Whole Foods.
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Check yourself Share - it's only Monday. Did you have a hard weekend? Walk away from the computer, Share, walk away from the computer. From: Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, September 23, 2013 8:38 AM Subject: Re: Re: Re: RE: Re: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Surviving Whole Foods Emily, join in the fun, why don't you? From: Emily Reyn emilymae.r...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, September 23, 2013 10:24 AM Subject: Re: Re: Re: RE: Re: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Surviving Whole Foods Share, you need to learn how to process your own emotions - you are bleeding heavily again. Does meditation help you with this? Did you meditate before you launched your brain on FFL this morning? Did you have a cup of coffee (one of the super foods in the article you posted the other day that I got a good laugh at)? What *are* you trying to achieve here this morning? Ask yourself this. From: Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, September 23, 2013 8:19 AM Subject: Re: Re: Re: RE: Re: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Surviving Whole Foods Dudy, you told ME not to waste YOUR time! Duh! How can I possibly waste YOUR time?! As Spock would say: your logic is weak. From: authfri...@yahoo.com authfri...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, September 23, 2013 10:12 AM Subject: RE: Re: Re: RE: Re: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Surviving Whole Foods Share tried a blather instead of a blither: I have no control over which posts of mine you read, Judy, ergo I have no control over how you spend your time on FFL. I don't believe I said you did, Share. What you do have control over is whether you ask stupid questions. Oh, wait... From: authfriend@... authfriend@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, September 23, 2013 9:58 AM Subject: RE: Re: RE: Re: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Surviving Whole Foods Share, if you want to know what I'm saying, go back and read the exchange from the beginning, because I've said it all there already. Don't waste my time with stupid questions, please. And I'm not the least bit interested in how things seem to you. As you may have noticed, I don't exactly hold your ability to evaluate what happens on FFL in high esteem. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote: Judy, are you saying that Xeno accused you of lying twice?! Once with *if true* and once about Whole Foods?! Xeno's intention seemed friendly to me even tho he got it wrong about your alleged desire for privacy. From: authfriend@... authfriend@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, September 23, 2013 8:00 AM Subject: RE: RE: Re: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Surviving Whole Foods BTW, Share, another thing you missed is that there was no desire for privacy on my part in my exchange with Richard; that was purely Xeno's notion. As I explained to Xeno, Richard already knew where I live, because I've mentioned it here before. And because Richard had looked up the locations of Whole Foods stores in New Jersey, he knew there was one quite close to me (he even posted the address). My point was Richard's flagrant dishonesty in (among other things) claiming the nearest one was a long bus ride and two hours distant. It was one of his stupid and petty attempts at trolling. It didn't warrant any discussion other than as a way of highlighting Richard's behavior here. There was no reason for Xeno to intervene; although it became clear later why he did: to suggest that I might be the one who was lying. Ironically, that was also a stupid and dishonest troll on Xeno's part. Share wrote: Judy, right before this argument, Xeno defended you and your desire for privacy to Richard with regards to Whole Foods.
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Emily, I'm enjoying FFL at this moment. I hope you are too. From: emilymae.r...@yahoo.com emilymae.r...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, September 23, 2013 10:39 AM Subject: RE: Re: Re: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Surviving Whole Foods Share, I have written you many straightforward posts. You appear to be incapable of grasping the main point of any straightforward post; you seem to realize there *is* a point, at which time you move always to derail the post in your own mind, through posting on top of it with meaningless frivolity, nonsensical interpretation, or purposeful misinterpretation to avoid whatever reality is coming through to you that you want to reject. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote: What did I get? That you called Xeno dishonest in a convoluted way? But you claim to be the most straight forward poster! From: authfriend@... authfriend@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, September 23, 2013 10:00 AM Subject: RE: Re: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Surviving Whole Foods Very good, Share, you got that at least. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote: Judy, here you begin by telling Xeno he's either dishonest or stupid. Then you go on to say TWICE that he's not stupid. Ergo, you are saying in a convoluted way that he's dishonest. From: authfriend@... authfriend@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, September 23, 2013 7:28 AM Subject: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Surviving Whole Foods Xeno wrote: I did notice that you did not document a number of comments you made here. But this response simplifies things immensely because if this is true, anything I write to you here on FFL in the absence of my documentation here with regard to these points or my withdrawing my comments here and earlier in the thread, by your own words must stop you from responding if you do not wish to go back on your word. Very Robinish! You are either very dishonest or very stupid. You made accusations which, if they were true, you would be able to document. I made no such accusations. I don't think you're so stupid as not to have realized this. I said I wouldn't discuss anything with you unless you withdraw your accusations (you can't document them because they're patently not true). I didn't say I wouldn't comment if I found it appropriate to do so (e.g., if you make any more false or insulting statements about me, I may respond to them). But your accusations, as long as they're on the table, have effectively foreclosed on the possibility of our having a friendly discussion of philosophy or science or music or any other neutral topic. And that's not even a tiny bit Robinish, nor are you so stupid as to think it is. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com authfriend wrote: Xeno wrote: Authfriend wrote: 'For, what, the sixth time, what was the basis for your suspicion that what I had written was a lie?' You seem to be looking for a response from me of the form J says x but y is true. I am looking for an explanation of why you think this. But it is not a specific fact that makes me come to my conclusion. It is rather your pattern of deviousness OK, stop right there and document that I have a pattern of deviousness, with examples. I am not devious, I am as straightforward as it gets, so it's going to be pretty difficult. and extended argumentation, which is an intuitive and subjective evaluation by which I come to this conclusion. You kind of remind me of the tenant portrayed by Michael Keaton the movie 'Pacific Heights'. You begin with the appearance of being on the level, and then Wikipedia: In Internet slang, a troll is a person who sows discord on the Internet by starting arguments I have been known to start an argument. So have you, so have many others here. Since when is this a sign of a pattern of deviousness? or upsetting people, by posting inflammatory, extraneous, or off-topic messages in an online community (such as a forum, chat room, or blog), either accidentally or with the deliberate intent of provoking readers into an emotional response or of otherwise disrupting normal on-topic discussion. Yeah, I don't do any of that. And I'm quite sure you know it. And in fact, I undoubtedly engage in some of the same when I am arguing with you; there does not seem to be much choice if one wants to continue the discussion. I do not like to sow discord, but it inevitably
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Thank you for the kind thought Share, you are thinking kindly of me, no? - after my observation that you are incapable of grasping the main point of any straightforward post (you have now demonstrated my additional observation in that comment). From: Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, September 23, 2013 8:43 AM Subject: Re: Re: Re: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Surviving Whole Foods Emily, I'm enjoying FFL at this moment. I hope you are too. From: emilymae.r...@yahoo.com emilymae.r...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, September 23, 2013 10:39 AM Subject: RE: Re: Re: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Surviving Whole Foods Share, I have written you many straightforward posts. You appear to be incapable of grasping the main point of any straightforward post; you seem to realize there *is* a point, at which time you move always to derail the post in your own mind, through posting on top of it with meaningless frivolity, nonsensical interpretation, or purposeful misinterpretation to avoid whatever reality is coming through to you that you want to reject. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote: What did I get? That you called Xeno dishonest in a convoluted way? But you claim to be the most straight forward poster! From: authfriend@... authfriend@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, September 23, 2013 10:00 AM Subject: RE: Re: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Surviving Whole Foods Very good, Share, you got that at least. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote: Judy, here you begin by telling Xeno he's either dishonest or stupid. Then you go on to say TWICE that he's not stupid. Ergo, you are saying in a convoluted way that he's dishonest. From: authfriend@... authfriend@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, September 23, 2013 7:28 AM Subject: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Surviving Whole Foods Xeno wrote: I did notice that you did not document a number of comments you made here. But this response simplifies things immensely because if this is true, anything I write to you here on FFL in the absence of my documentation here with regard to these points or my withdrawing my comments here and earlier in the thread, by your own words must stop you from responding if you do not wish to go back on your word. Very Robinish! You are either very dishonest or very stupid. You made accusations which, if they were true, you would be able to document. I made no such accusations. I don't think you're so stupid as not to have realized this. I said I wouldn't discuss anything with you unless you withdraw your accusations (you can't document them because they're patently not true). I didn't say I wouldn't comment if I found it appropriate to do so (e.g., if you make any more false or insulting statements about me, I may respond to them). But your accusations, as long as they're on the table, have effectively foreclosed on the possibility of our having a friendly discussion of philosophy or science or music or any other neutral topic. And that's not even a tiny bit Robinish, nor are you so stupid as to think it is. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com authfriend wrote: Xeno wrote: Authfriend wrote: 'For, what, the sixth time, what was the basis for your suspicion that what I had written was a lie?' You seem to be looking for a response from me of the form J says x but y is true. I am looking for an explanation of why you think this. But it is not a specific fact that makes me come to my conclusion. It is rather your pattern of deviousness OK, stop right there and document that I have a pattern of deviousness, with examples. I am not devious, I am as straightforward as it gets, so it's going to be pretty difficult. and extended argumentation, which is an intuitive and subjective evaluation by which I come to this conclusion. You kind of remind me of the tenant portrayed by Michael Keaton the movie 'Pacific Heights'. You begin with the appearance of being on the level, and then Wikipedia: In Internet slang, a troll is a person who sows discord on the Internet by starting arguments I have been known to start an argument. So have you, so have many others here. Since when is this a sign of a pattern of deviousness
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Emily, happy to help. Are you enjoying yet? Look, Xeno's quoting Shakespeare, Judy's using fun words like biffle. What's not to enjoy? Just a matter of where you focus your attention. I think that's why you and I see different realities, both of which are valid. From: Emily Reyn emilymae.r...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, September 23, 2013 10:53 AM Subject: Re: Re: Re: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Surviving Whole Foods Thank you for the kind thought Share, you are thinking kindly of me, no? - after my observation that you are incapable of grasping the main point of any straightforward post (you have now demonstrated my additional observation in that comment). From: Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, September 23, 2013 8:43 AM Subject: Re: Re: Re: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Surviving Whole Foods Emily, I'm enjoying FFL at this moment. I hope you are too. From: emilymae.r...@yahoo.com emilymae.r...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, September 23, 2013 10:39 AM Subject: RE: Re: Re: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Surviving Whole Foods Share, I have written you many straightforward posts. You appear to be incapable of grasping the main point of any straightforward post; you seem to realize there *is* a point, at which time you move always to derail the post in your own mind, through posting on top of it with meaningless frivolity, nonsensical interpretation, or purposeful misinterpretation to avoid whatever reality is coming through to you that you want to reject. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote: What did I get? That you called Xeno dishonest in a convoluted way? But you claim to be the most straight forward poster! From: authfriend@... authfriend@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, September 23, 2013 10:00 AM Subject: RE: Re: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Surviving Whole Foods Very good, Share, you got that at least. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote: Judy, here you begin by telling Xeno he's either dishonest or stupid. Then you go on to say TWICE that he's not stupid. Ergo, you are saying in a convoluted way that he's dishonest. From: authfriend@... authfriend@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, September 23, 2013 7:28 AM Subject: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Surviving Whole Foods Xeno wrote: I did notice that you did not document a number of comments you made here. But this response simplifies things immensely because if this is true, anything I write to you here on FFL in the absence of my documentation here with regard to these points or my withdrawing my comments here and earlier in the thread, by your own words must stop you from responding if you do not wish to go back on your word. Very Robinish! You are either very dishonest or very stupid. You made accusations which, if they were true, you would be able to document. I made no such accusations. I don't think you're so stupid as not to have realized this. I said I wouldn't discuss anything with you unless you withdraw your accusations (you can't document them because they're patently not true). I didn't say I wouldn't comment if I found it appropriate to do so (e.g., if you make any more false or insulting statements about me, I may respond to them). But your accusations, as long as they're on the table, have effectively foreclosed on the possibility of our having a friendly discussion of philosophy or science or music or any other neutral topic. And that's not even a tiny bit Robinish, nor are you so stupid as to think it is. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com authfriend wrote: Xeno wrote: Authfriend wrote: 'For, what, the sixth time, what was the basis for your suspicion that what I had written was a lie?' You seem to be looking for a response from me of the form J says x but y is true. I am looking for an explanation of why you think this. But it is not a specific fact that makes me come to my conclusion. It is rather your pattern of deviousness OK, stop right there and document that I have a pattern of deviousness, with examples. I am not devious, I am
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Ha ha ha. Project everything, take in nothing. From: Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, September 23, 2013 8:57 AM Subject: Re: Re: Re: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Surviving Whole Foods Emily, happy to help. Are you enjoying yet? Look, Xeno's quoting Shakespeare, Judy's using fun words like biffle. What's not to enjoy? Just a matter of where you focus your attention. I think that's why you and I see different realities, both of which are valid. From: Emily Reyn emilymae.r...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, September 23, 2013 10:53 AM Subject: Re: Re: Re: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Surviving Whole Foods Thank you for the kind thought Share, you are thinking kindly of me, no? - after my observation that you are incapable of grasping the main point of any straightforward post (you have now demonstrated my additional observation in that comment). From: Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, September 23, 2013 8:43 AM Subject: Re: Re: Re: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Surviving Whole Foods Emily, I'm enjoying FFL at this moment. I hope you are too. From: emilymae.r...@yahoo.com emilymae.r...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, September 23, 2013 10:39 AM Subject: RE: Re: Re: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Surviving Whole Foods Share, I have written you many straightforward posts. You appear to be incapable of grasping the main point of any straightforward post; you seem to realize there *is* a point, at which time you move always to derail the post in your own mind, through posting on top of it with meaningless frivolity, nonsensical interpretation, or purposeful misinterpretation to avoid whatever reality is coming through to you that you want to reject. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote: What did I get? That you called Xeno dishonest in a convoluted way? But you claim to be the most straight forward poster! From: authfriend@... authfriend@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, September 23, 2013 10:00 AM Subject: RE: Re: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Surviving Whole Foods Very good, Share, you got that at least. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote: Judy, here you begin by telling Xeno he's either dishonest or stupid. Then you go on to say TWICE that he's not stupid. Ergo, you are saying in a convoluted way that he's dishonest. From: authfriend@... authfriend@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, September 23, 2013 7:28 AM Subject: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Surviving Whole Foods Xeno wrote: I did notice that you did not document a number of comments you made here. But this response simplifies things immensely because if this is true, anything I write to you here on FFL in the absence of my documentation here with regard to these points or my withdrawing my comments here and earlier in the thread, by your own words must stop you from responding if you do not wish to go back on your word. Very Robinish! You are either very dishonest or very stupid. You made accusations which, if they were true, you would be able to document. I made no such accusations. I don't think you're so stupid as not to have realized this. I said I wouldn't discuss anything with you unless you withdraw your accusations (you can't document them because they're patently not true). I didn't say I wouldn't comment if I found it appropriate to do so (e.g., if you make any more false or insulting statements about me, I may respond to them). But your accusations, as long as they're on the table, have effectively foreclosed on the possibility of our having a friendly discussion of philosophy or science or music or any other neutral topic. And that's not even a tiny bit Robinish, nor are you so stupid as to think it is. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com authfriend wrote: Xeno wrote: Authfriend wrote: 'For, what, the sixth time, what was the basis for your suspicion that what I had written
