[FairfieldLife] Re: JFF: Translating Shankarite Sanskrit -- introduction

2005-10-14 Thread cardemaister
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Try to figure out, how many different syntactic deep structure hierarchies this hypothetical compound word, slightly imitating some Classical Sanskrit writers, can represent: deep-green-salt-water-melon For

[FairfieldLife] To Rory - Re: Proclaiming ones enlightenment

2005-10-14 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rory Goff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rory Goff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It would *appear* anyhow that the Brahma-point at the

[FairfieldLife] Re: Proclaiming ones enlightenment

2005-10-14 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, peterklutz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Paula Youmans [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I told Tom he was enlightened and he told me that I was enlightened, so there. Haha.have you ever had someone tell you that you had

[FairfieldLife] Re: Proclaiming ones enlightenment

2005-10-14 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, brahmachari108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, peterklutz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Paula Youmans [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I told Tom he was enlightened and he told me that I

[FairfieldLife] Re: Proclaiming ones enlightenment

2005-10-14 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, brahmachari108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Forgive please but what does your believing have to do with the Truth of it? Interesting it is in this group how so many are so eager to let others know what their thinking is on enlightenment. Mental

[FairfieldLife] Re: Proclaiming ones enlightenment

2005-10-14 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, peterklutz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Paula Youmans [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I told Tom he was enlightened and he told me that I

[FairfieldLife] Re: Proclaiming ones enlightenment

2005-10-14 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, peterklutz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I believe MMY said that fully-perfected levitation (i.e. floating) (or other sidhi) done on-demand at any time outside of sutra practice would be a sign of fully-established Unity, not CC. He's also

RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: Proclaiming ones enlightenment

2005-10-14 Thread Paula Youmans
Hi Akasha, First, many here and elsewhere have so many understandings of the term, use of such a label, in contrast to direct descriptors of an experience, has little communicative value IMO. I know lol. I hear that word used so much, and I swear .I dont know what it means lol.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Proclaiming ones enlightenment

2005-10-14 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: (Oh, and the techniques aren't made-up 'Patanjali' techniques. You might want to have a look at the Yoga Sutras sometime.) I have. So, obviously, has Maharishi. He took one look at the verses and said to himself, I

[FairfieldLife] To Rory - Re: Proclaiming ones enlightenment

2005-10-14 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And all of this (four last posts) is your direct experience? Or imaginative speculation. And its useful, how? Perhaps to impress new

[FairfieldLife] Re: Proclaiming ones enlightenment

2005-10-14 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Don't know about less experienced TMSP practitioners, but there's the Vastu thing to consider, andof course, the claim that the Maharishi Effect exists and would have an effect on individuals during group practice of

[FairfieldLife] Re: Proclaiming ones enlightenment

2005-10-14 Thread Irmeli Mattsson
Irmeli: It puzzles me also, why people, when they stop identifying the 'I' with an image of one's personal self, say there is no 'I' anymore. Peter:Because no I or psychological sense of me is present. It can't be found. When people (in avidya) say me they are refering to a sense of separate

[FairfieldLife] Hindu and Buddhist concepts

2005-10-14 Thread Irmeli Mattsson
It would make me much easier to read and understand the posts if people, when they use Hindu and Buddhist conceps like avidya, sadhana etc. would try to define the meaning of those concepts also in English. Often I have no idea of their meaning. When in addition to that English is not my native

[FairfieldLife] Re: ME and me and The Knower [Was: Proclaiming ones enlightenment]

2005-10-14 Thread Irmeli Mattsson
Excellent post. Or at least something I have very easy to relate to. Irmeli --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Dean Goodman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Akasha wrote: [snipped Paula's question and the first half of Akasha's reply] But I did not experience that as the stark no I

[FairfieldLife] Re: Proclaiming ones enlightenment

2005-10-14 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, peterklutz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I believe MMY said that fully-perfected levitation (i.e. floating) (or other sidhi) done on-demand at any time outside of sutra

[FairfieldLife] Re: Proclaiming ones enlightenment

2005-10-14 Thread peterklutz
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, peterklutz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Paula Youmans [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I told Tom he was enlightened and he told me that I was

[FairfieldLife] Re: Proclaiming ones enlightenment

2005-10-14 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Don't know about less experienced TMSP practitioners, but there's the Vastu thing to consider, andof course, the claim that the Maharishi

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Proclaiming ones enlightenment

2005-10-14 Thread Vaj
On Oct 13, 2005, at 11:20 PM, sparaig wrote:--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "peterklutz" [EMAIL PROTECTED]  wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" [EMAIL PROTECTED]  wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "peterklutz"  [EMAIL PROTECTED]  wrote: --- In

[FairfieldLife] Re: Proclaiming ones enlightenment

2005-10-14 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, peterklutz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Haven't you ever considered the possibility that Maharishi just said that to get people to pay a lot of money for his made-up Patanjali

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Proclaiming ones enlightenment

2005-10-14 Thread Vaj
On Oct 14, 2005, at 3:07 AM, TurquoiseB wrote:On the other hand, I disagree completely with levitation being any measure of one's state of consciousness.  It's  just a skill.  You can either do it or you can't.  It don't say bupkus about your state of consciousness.   If it was then you'd have

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Proclaiming ones enlightenment

2005-10-14 Thread Peter
--- TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, peterklutz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Haven't you ever considered the possibility that Maharishi just said that to get people

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Proclaiming ones enlightenment

2005-10-14 Thread Peter
--- sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip The kind of levitation/floating that MMY claims to be referring to is the kind that you can photograph and perform before a skeptical audience. But this has never happened, right? So why not talk about the man in the moon?

[FairfieldLife] To Rory - Re: Proclaiming ones enlightenment

2005-10-14 Thread Rory Goff
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Perhaps to impress new members? *lol* I hadn't thought of that, Judy! You think it might work? Wow! What would the benefit be to me, I wonder, if new members are impressed? And what do you mean by impressed, anyhow?

[FairfieldLife] To Rory - Re: Proclaiming ones enlightenment

2005-10-14 Thread Rory Goff
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rory Goff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And it would appear that when one's Brahma or creative consciousness withholds approval or Self-knowledge from a given mind-matter impulse, then that impulse separates/is separated from the Whole and holds that

[FairfieldLife] To Rory - Re: Proclaiming ones enlightenment

2005-10-14 Thread Rory Goff
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rory Goff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Perhaps to impress new members? *lol* I hadn't thought of that, Judy! You think it might work? Wow! What would the benefit be to me, I

[FairfieldLife] To Rory - Re: Proclaiming ones enlightenment

2005-10-14 Thread Rory Goff
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And all of this (four last posts) is your direct experience? Or imaginative speculation. Yes, yes. And its useful, how? Helps me understand myself. Many thanks for asking :-) Yahoo!

[FairfieldLife] Re: Was Proclaiming Enlightenment - Now MMY developing sidhis techniques

2005-10-14 Thread markmeredith2002
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: (Oh, and the techniques aren't made-up 'Patanjali' techniques. You might want to have a look at the Yoga Sutras sometime.) I have. So,

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Was Proclaiming Enlightenment - Now MMY developing sidhis techniques

2005-10-14 Thread Vaj
On Oct 14, 2005, at 9:37 AM, markmeredith2002 wrote:--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: (Oh, and the techniques aren't "made-up 'Patanjali' techniques."  You might want to have a

RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: Proclaiming ones enlightenment

2005-10-14 Thread Paula Youmans
So, when we stop living the surrealistic reality of our assumed limitations, and become free, we are said to then be 'enlightened'. But it is merely relative to what our past experience has been. Hi Jim thanks for your reply. I was thinking about that line you wrote above

RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: Proclaiming ones enlightenment

2005-10-14 Thread Paula Youmans
Objectively? I belive MMY says that levitation is proof of samadhi. I suppose this means that if a person who is a known TMSP-practitioner repeatedly can take-off, hoover and settle down in a controlled manner, chances are this person is CC or above. Im thinking if what has

[FairfieldLife] Re: Proclaiming ones enlightenment

2005-10-14 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The kind of levitation/floating that MMY claims to be referring to is the kind that you can photograph and perform before a skeptical audience.

[FairfieldLife] Re: ME and me and The Knower [Was: Proclaiming ones enlightenment]

2005-10-14 Thread martyboi
Without a doubt the most useful post on this site I have seen for a very long time. Thanks! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Dean Goodman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Akasha wrote: [snipped Paula's question and the first half of Akasha's reply] But I did not experience that as

[FairfieldLife] Re: Proclaiming ones enlightenment

2005-10-14 Thread akasha_108
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Don't know about less experienced TMSP practitioners, but there's the Vastu thing to consider, andof course, the claim that the Maharishi

[FairfieldLife] Re: Proclaiming ones enlightenment

2005-10-14 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, peterklutz wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB wrote: Haven't you ever considered the possibility that

[FairfieldLife] Re: Proclaiming ones enlightenment

2005-10-14 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip The kind of levitation/floating that MMY claims to be referring to is the kind that you can photograph and perform before a skeptical audience. But this has never

[FairfieldLife] Re: Proclaiming ones enlightenment

2005-10-14 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: (Oh, and the techniques aren't made-up 'Patanjali' techniques. You might want to have a look at the Yoga Sutras sometime.) I have. So,

[FairfieldLife] To Rory - Re: Proclaiming ones enlightenment

2005-10-14 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And all of this (four last posts) is your direct experience?

RE: [FairfieldLife] Literary accent decent ion

2005-10-14 Thread Paula Youmans
That was beautiful XXOO ~Paula To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi mahesh

[FairfieldLife] To Rory - Re: Proclaiming ones enlightenment

2005-10-14 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rory Goff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rory Goff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Perhaps to impress new members? *lol* I hadn't thought of

[FairfieldLife] Re: Untimely Deaths...aversions to allopathic medicine

2005-10-14 Thread mainstream20016
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, peterklutz [EMAIL PROTECTED]: It's perceived as untimely because these people cast of their mortal coils way ahead of the statistically established life expectancy for the society they live in This perception is reinforced by the assumption that

[FairfieldLife] To Rory - Re: Proclaiming ones enlightenment

2005-10-14 Thread Rory Goff
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: BC really stands for Borg Consciousnness. You will be assimilated. :-) Resistance is indeed futile :-) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite

[FairfieldLife] Sat Yuga? Or Scorpions Sinking Into Hell?

2005-10-14 Thread akasha_108
'I'm in the nude for dancing' Oct 14 2005 By Robert Dex, South London Press HUNDREDS of clubbers are descending on the country's only nude disco every Saturday night. The craze for letting it all hang out on the dancefloor is pulling in punters to South Central in Kennington Lane. Clubbers

[FairfieldLife] To Rory - Re: Proclaiming ones enlightenment

2005-10-14 Thread Rory Goff
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well, first, it isn't real clear why you believe you know what kinds of experiences I've had. And second, it's interesting that you think my comment was a function of being pissed off, for whatever reason. I thought

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Proclaiming ones enlightenment

2005-10-14 Thread Peter
--- TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip The kind of levitation/floating that MMY claims to be referring to is the kind that you can photograph and perform

[FairfieldLife] To Rory - Re: Proclaiming ones enlightenment

2005-10-14 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rory Goff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well, first, it isn't real clear why you believe you know what kinds of experiences I've had. And second, it's interesting that you think

[FairfieldLife] To Rory - Re: Proclaiming ones enlightenment

2005-10-14 Thread Rory Goff
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rory Goff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well, first, it isn't real clear why you believe you know

[FairfieldLife] To Rory - Re: Proclaiming ones enlightenment

2005-10-14 Thread jim_flanegin
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rory Goff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Energy (ananda, bliss, laughter, Shiva) = Mass (sat, love, Vishnu) times the speed of light (chit, consciousness, Brahma) squared (aware of itself). Mass resisted (denied the light of self- knowledge) becomes painful

[FairfieldLife] Re: Proclaiming ones enlightenment

2005-10-14 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: (Oh, and the techniques aren't made-up 'Patanjali'

[FairfieldLife] THE FOLLIES OF MINDLESS RELIGIOUS FUNDAMENTALISM

2005-10-14 Thread tantrayudha
THE FOLLIES OF MINDLESS RELIGIOUS FUNDAMENTALISM http://groups.yahoo.com/group/naghammadigospels/ Jun 24, 2004 VATICAN PARANOIA SUMMIT http://news.independent.co.uk/europe/story.jsp?story=531952 By Peter Popham in Rome 16 June 2004 Catholics from more than 25 countries are in Rome this week to

RE: [FairfieldLife] Sat Yuga? Or Scorpions Sinking Into Hell?

2005-10-14 Thread Paula Youmans
'I'm in the nude for dancing' * OMG, I would be so nervous that I might bump into someone.pun intended lol. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!'

[FairfieldLife] Re: Proclaiming ones enlightenment

2005-10-14 Thread jim_flanegin
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, peterklutz wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,

[FairfieldLife] To Rory - Re: Proclaiming ones enlightenment

2005-10-14 Thread jim_flanegin
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rory Goff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rory Goff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And it would appear that when one's Brahma or creative consciousness withholds approval or Self-knowledge from a given mind-matter impulse,

[FairfieldLife] To Rory - Re: Proclaiming ones enlightenment

2005-10-14 Thread akasha_108
Judy: It's what males *do*, and thank goodness. If they didn't, the species wouldn't survive for long. It's just funny and charming to see it in this context. I could be wrong, of course, but I got a chuckle out of the image. Sorry it pushed your buttons. Rory: It's

[FairfieldLife] Re: Proclaiming ones enlightenment

2005-10-14 Thread jim_flanegin
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: (Oh, and the techniques aren't made-up 'Patanjali'

[FairfieldLife] To Rory - Re: Proclaiming ones enlightenment

2005-10-14 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rory Goff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip I'll take your word for it. But there seemed to me to be a sort of competition going on as to who could write the most elaborate and

[FairfieldLife] The Nexus of Politics and Terror

2005-10-14 Thread tazarmfune
• October 12, 2005 | 8:35 p.m. ET The Nexus of Politics and Terror by Keith Olbermann Secaucus - Last Thursday on Countdown, I referred to the latest terror threat - the reported bomb plot against the New York City subway system - in terms of its timing. President Bush's speech about the

[FairfieldLife] Re: Proclaiming ones enlightenment

2005-10-14 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL

[FairfieldLife] Re: Proclaiming ones enlightenment

2005-10-14 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL

[FairfieldLife] To Rory - Re: Proclaiming ones enlightenment

2005-10-14 Thread jim_flanegin
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Judy: It's what males *do*, and thank goodness. If they didn't, the species wouldn't survive for long. It's just funny and charming to see it in this context. I could be wrong, of course, but I

[FairfieldLife] Re: Proclaiming ones enlightenment

2005-10-14 Thread jim_flanegin
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB

[FairfieldLife] Re: Proclaiming ones enlightenment

2005-10-14 Thread TurquoiseB
Haven't you ever considered the possibility that Maharishi just said that to get people to pay a lot of money for his made-up Patanjali tech- niques, and to keep practicing them? Okay, I am getting a bit confused here. Are you a TMSP-practitioner

[FairfieldLife] To Rory - Re: Proclaiming ones enlightenment

2005-10-14 Thread Rory Goff
Rory: If I entertain addictions to adulation, flirtation, and so on, as a substitute for genuine intimacy and appreciation of Self/Other/Self, those will indeed be wrong or demonic -- i.e., diseased, based around pain, an attempt to mask or compensate for primal fear, guilt and

[FairfieldLife] Re: Proclaiming ones enlightenment

2005-10-14 Thread jim_flanegin
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Haven't you ever considered the possibility that Maharishi just said that to get people to pay a lot of money for his made-up Patanjali tech- niques, and to keep practicing them?

[FairfieldLife] Long Time Initiator Passes On.

2005-10-14 Thread mail_uzer
Tom Reynolds of Philadelphia, PA passed on Tuesday evening (the 11th). He was a close associate of Charlie Lutes and scheduled many of his lectures and visits over nearly 30 years. He was loved and admired by many of the Friends of Charlie Lutes on the east coast. Jai Guru Dev

[FairfieldLife] To Rory - Re: Proclaiming ones enlightenment

2005-10-14 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rory Goff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Rory: If I entertain addictions to adulation, flirtation, and so on, as a substitute for genuine intimacy and appreciation of Self/Other/Self, those will indeed be wrong or demonic -- i.e., diseased, based

[FairfieldLife] To Rory - Re: Proclaiming ones enlightenment

2005-10-14 Thread Rory Goff
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rory Goff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Energy (ananda, bliss, laughter, Shiva) = Mass (sat, love, Vishnu) times the speed of light (chit, consciousness, Brahma) squared

[FairfieldLife] To Rory - Re: Proclaiming ones enlightenment

2005-10-14 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rory Goff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Rory: If I entertain addictions to adulation, flirtation, and so on, as a substitute for genuine intimacy and appreciation of Self/Other/Self, those will indeed be wrong or demonic -- i.e., diseased, based

[FairfieldLife] To Rory - Re: Proclaiming ones enlightenment

2005-10-14 Thread akasha_108
jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: and I for one read many of your posts, except I confess some of the really, really, really long ones. As Loud-Zoo said: Big thoughts require big posts. Big posts require big minds to comprehend. Such minds become the Dao. Or was that Homer S. saying

[FairfieldLife] Re: Proclaiming ones enlightenment

2005-10-14 Thread jim_flanegin
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I suspect it all depends upon the level of conditioning that the fanatic was exposed to. Consider fanatical sects within the Catholic Church or Muslim faith or whatever, in which doubt is not only not tolerated, it

[FairfieldLife] Re: Proclaiming ones enlightenment

2005-10-14 Thread TurquoiseB
Haven't you ever considered the possibility that Maharishi just said that to get people to pay a lot of money for his made-up Patanjali tech- niques, and to keep practicing them? Okay, I am getting a bit confused here. Are you a

[FairfieldLife] To Rory - Re: Proclaiming ones enlightenment

2005-10-14 Thread jim_flanegin
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: and I for one read many of your posts, except I confess some of the really, really, really long ones. As Loud-Zoo said: Big thoughts require big posts. Big posts require

[FairfieldLife] To Rory - Re: Proclaiming ones enlightenment

2005-10-14 Thread Rory Goff
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rory Goff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Rory: If I entertain addictions to adulation, flirtation, and so on, as a substitute for genuine intimacy and appreciation of

[FairfieldLife] To Rory - Re: Proclaiming ones enlightenment

2005-10-14 Thread jim_flanegin
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rory Goff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Rory: If I entertain addictions to adulation, flirtation, and so on, as a substitute for genuine intimacy and appreciation of

[FairfieldLife] To Rory - Re: Proclaiming ones enlightenment

2005-10-14 Thread akasha_108
Rory Goff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Perhaps we are getting caught up in misunderstood definitions -- I merely mean to *identify* areas of pain in ourselves, feel them and heal them. Refusal to heal our own pain is a symptom and cause of surrendering to some addiction or other -- making

[FairfieldLife] To Rory - Re: Proclaiming ones enlightenment

2005-10-14 Thread jim_flanegin
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rory Goff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: genuine physical immortality is not physical existence any longer, at least in the sense it is commonly understood. It would appear to be rather something along the lines of physically understanding all physical

[FairfieldLife] To Rory - Re: Proclaiming ones enlightenment

2005-10-14 Thread Rory Goff
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rory Goff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Rory: If I entertain addictions to adulation, flirtation, and so on, as a substitute for genuine intimacy and appreciation of

[FairfieldLife] To Rory - Re: Proclaiming ones enlightenment

2005-10-14 Thread Rory Goff
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I wonder if posting to FFL is an addiction. I wonder if before posting, we should all close our eyes and see if there is some discomfort in the body. And If so, attentionize and breath through it. Then open our eyes

[FairfieldLife] To Rory - Re: Proclaiming ones enlightenment

2005-10-14 Thread Rory Goff
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rory Goff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: genuine physical immortality is not physical existence any longer, at least in the sense it is commonly understood. It would appear to

[FairfieldLife] To Rory - Re: Proclaiming ones enlightenment

2005-10-14 Thread akasha_108
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rory Goff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I wonder if posting to FFL is an addiction. I wonder if before posting, we should all close our eyes and see if there is some discomfort

[FairfieldLife] Untimely Deaths..... TMers', and New Agers' aversion to allopathic medicine

2005-10-14 Thread mainstream20016
In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, peterklutz [EMAIL PROTECTED]: It's perceived as untimely because these people cast of their mortal coils way ahead of the statistically established life expectancy for the society they live in This perception is reinforced by the assumption that leading

[FairfieldLife] To Rory - Re: Proclaiming ones enlightenment

2005-10-14 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rory Goff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Rory: If I entertain addictions to adulation,

[FairfieldLife] To Rory - Re: Proclaiming ones enlightenment

2005-10-14 Thread Rory Goff
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rory Goff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I wonder if posting to FFL is an addiction. I wonder if

[FairfieldLife] To Rory - Re: Proclaiming ones enlightenment

2005-10-14 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Rory Goff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Perhaps we are getting caught up in misunderstood definitions -- I merely mean to *identify* areas of pain in ourselves, feel them and heal them. Refusal to heal our own pain

[FairfieldLife] To Rory - Re: Proclaiming ones enlightenment

2005-10-14 Thread jim_flanegin
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rory Goff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rory Goff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: genuine physical immortality is not physical existence any

[FairfieldLife] To Rory - Re: Proclaiming ones enlightenment

2005-10-14 Thread jim_flanegin
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rory Goff [EMAIL

[FairfieldLife] To Rory - Re: Proclaiming ones enlightenment

2005-10-14 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL

[FairfieldLife] To Rory - Re: Proclaiming ones enlightenment

2005-10-14 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So what would you say is the difference between an enjoyment and an addiction? You mean, between an enjoyment and an addiction to an

[FairfieldLife] Re: Proclaiming ones enlightenment

2005-10-14 Thread peterklutz
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The kind of levitation/floating that MMY claims to be referring to

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Proclaiming ones enlightenment

2005-10-14 Thread Vaj
On Oct 14, 2005, at 1:09 PM, peterklutz wrote:I think serious seekers in the TMO are far closer to E than they might realize, the reason being the fact that they live in a world (until this summer) controlled by Kali. Didn't M. say the opposite, that people would be surprised (at how advanced

[FairfieldLife] Re: Proclaiming ones enlightenment

2005-10-14 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I suspect it all depends upon the level of conditioning that the fanatic was exposed to. Consider fanatical sects within the Catholic

[FairfieldLife] Re: Proclaiming ones enlightenment

2005-10-14 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, peterklutz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip I am also convinced that many of them also have reached the required physiological degree of purity to sustain that state which allows them to levitate, but that the ambient atmosphere is fore-checking this and

[FairfieldLife] Re: Proclaiming ones enlightenment

2005-10-14 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, peterklutz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip I am also convinced that many of them also have reached the required physiological degree of purity to sustain that state which allows

[FairfieldLife] To Rory - Re: Proclaiming ones enlightenment

2005-10-14 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So what would you say is the difference between an

[FairfieldLife] To Rory - Re: Proclaiming ones enlightenment

2005-10-14 Thread akasha_108
authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I guess the simplest definition of an addiction is that if you don't indulge in it, you feel like something's missing. If it's just enjoyment, you can take it or leave it, but without feeling deprived if you leave it. Ah. Good framework for the label

[FairfieldLife] Re: Proclaiming ones enlightenment

2005-10-14 Thread akasha_108
TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Whatever floats your boat, I guess. Are you addicted to your boat floating? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page

[FairfieldLife] Karen Blazedale

2005-10-14 Thread Mark
Rick, You mentioned Karen Blazedale on the list of untimely deaths as dying from a brain tumor. I knew Karen back in the seventies when MIU was in Santa Barabra, Ca and then saw her again in 82. She was interesting in that she was very devoted to the movement, research, etc. Could anyone who

[FairfieldLife] Re: Proclaiming ones enlightenment

2005-10-14 Thread TurquoiseB
The kind of levitation/floating that MMY claims to be referring to is the kind that you can photograph and perform before a skeptical audience. Hmmm. I would be one of those skeptics. Exactly where, after 30 years or so, are these photographs that show the kind of levitation

[FairfieldLife] Re: Proclaiming ones enlightenment

2005-10-14 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, peterklutz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip I am also convinced that many of them also have reached the required physiological degree of purity to sustain that state which allows

[FairfieldLife] To Rory - Re: Proclaiming ones enlightenment

2005-10-14 Thread akasha_108
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I guess the simplest definition of an addiction is that if you don't indulge in it, you feel like something's missing. If it's just enjoyment, you can take it or leave it, but

[FairfieldLife] To Rory - Re: Proclaiming ones enlightenment

2005-10-14 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Some samskaras are more addicting that heroin. The pathological need to be *afraid* that we see in the Neocons. The pathological need

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