In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : ... a lot of
gullible people said Well, Marshy is enlightened so it must be true and he is
so focused on science he couldn't say this if it wasn't true.
This seems to have been the running paradigm about serving in the movement,
I had a few private e-mails with Judy a couple of years ago. That e-mail
address is still live, but I have not tried to contact her. So whether she
exists or not will not affect the address unless the account is shut down for
non-payment with a local ISP. For example I have some ATT email
Nice song. I rarely listen to songs. Has a really nice smooth feel to it. The
figuration of the guitar is part of the magic of such songs, providing a
shimmering tapestry over which the main melody and words float unhindered.
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote :
A
'Transcending', in my observation really does not seem to have much effect on
personality, although an ideology associated with these kinds of experiences
might sometimes result in bizarre behavioural changes. 'Transcending' bypasses
the mind's current state, results in another state, a
The term allopathic, which is often used in a derogatory sense, was invented by
Hahnemann, the creator of homoeopathy. So it is basically a quacks take on
regular medicine, although at the time the term came into use, regular medicine
was still pretty primitive, and probably not very effective.
You can still kill people, if need be, like getting rid of guys like ISIS.
Remember Arjuna, he had it from a head Honcho to go ahead and do just that. You
will have no choice. Nice experience. Tomorrow maybe there will be a different
kind of experience. Whatever it is, there will be awareness
As with many photos of Maharishi at various conferences, this image is a
composite, i.e., faked. Before the advent of digital editing, the image of M
was often rather crudely inserted by cutting and pasting a photo of M into an
existing photograph which was then rephotographed. This particular
I would agree with this, synaesthesia seems to represent cross-wiring of the
nervous system.
There has been a trend in academia of late creating all sorts of terminology
to give verbal meaning and definition to what is essentially visual awareness
in the arts, such as in painting,
Hey Buck, there are websites where Yahoo users complain about Neo, and list
things not fixed. I have noticed that they seem to be taking certain functions
offline, and then put them back, possibly an attempt to fix the problem. Neo
search never allowed searching by date, at any rate it always
Robots can sense their environment and respond to it. We do the same, though in
a much more complex fashion.
A thermostat is a switch, the environment changes, the switch shifts. Add some
circuitry that goes to an air conditioner or a heater, you have a very simple
neural net. This simple
He has been on vacation. But FFL seems to have gone mostly to fluff lately,
with a lot of short spammy twinkie brain posts so there is not much to read
here any more, no discussions of any substance. The curiosity quotient of the
FFL denizens is rapidly approaching zero. If you want to hone
Long treatises do not provide answers in this case, but they may help forge a
path to an answer. The material world and the spiritual world are really the
same world, there is not an iota of difference between them, the difference is
in the imagination. One can say the absolute is solidified
I have been spending my time fiddling with the Yahoo e-mail sort rules.
Previously I have only posted directly into FFL. I have not quite got it right
yet, but I have got the FFL individual e-mails sorting into three separate
folders FFL-fluff; FFL-maybe; and FFL-read. I have just not quite
As I related, I sort FFL posts in Yahoo mail. I don't delete them. I just
prioritise the sort into different categories. I am now in the Neo interface,
not e-mail, and not a single Richard Williams post is visible, so he must be in
the bathroom or something. So generally I read some posts and
How does a human demonstrate he or she is honest? Maharishi and TM are the main
axes that FFL, at least originally revolved around. The TM movement and its
leaders seem to me to show certain deviations from open-hearted honesty.
Such is the nature of human beings, especially those that cling
I heard these same comments about no rebirth on Maharishi tapes, and people
would argue with him because they wanted 'to come back'. Not too many years
after I learned TM an older, longer term teacher told a story about being with
Maharishi in a kitchen and the Indian woman who was cooking said
Sam Harris' book Waking Up, a Guide to Spirituality without Religion is now
available as of Tuesday
It is rather short with just five chapters and a conclusion, but it is cogent
and to the point. I am about halfway through it, having bought it today.
Chapter 1: Spirituality
Chapter 2:
The TMO published M's translation and commentary of the B-G Chapter 7
(US$38.00). I have seen it but have not read it. Gita Chapter 7
http://is1.mum.edu/mumpress/p_a07-sav.html
http://is1.mum.edu/mumpress/p_a07-sav.html
Gita Chapter 7 http://is1.mum.edu/mumpress/p_a07-sav.html Maharishi
Kurukshetra War — 'The historicity of the Kurukshetra War is unclear.'
According to Wikipedia that battle, if it was fought at all, would have been
somewhere between 6000 BCE to 500 BCE. In a novel you can mention historical
events to give a more realistic feel, and in religious apologetics,
Regarding the Kurukshetra War
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In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, danfriedman2...@yahoogroups.com wrote :
You lost me at According to Wikipedia
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Well, short attention span or reading problems, huh? How about Encylopaedia
Britannica:
The Mahabharata is an important
I've been working on taxes today and had to delay continuing with the book, but
the clarity is welcome after the lax mental sprawl that has become FFL of late.
Harris really has a gift for organising material. If you have gotten to the
part in the 'self' section about using a transporter, I
Hey Duveyoung, what a wonderful rant! I've pasted together many of your last
posts to create an überrant, they have more sustaining power this way. Re: 'I
got bupkis'. You got the whole secret right here, you got nada, zilch, blank,
diddly, zero. Enlightenment is selling water by the river,
Nice. There seem to be some similar entanglements here on FFL. Where is that
shotgun? Anyway, I think this is the first motion picture that is based on the
idea of quantum entanglement. Though in the empirical world, macroscopic
effects cancel out quantum effects and a 'classical' situation
Now how could someone spoil the book by posting a passage? I also posted a
paragraph from the book and a link to the first chapter. I read the quote in
the context of the book. I had already read it by the time Barry posted it, and
there was a lot of material prior to that quote about very
Steve,
You do need to pay attention to what other people say about enlightenment,
otherwise there are no markers as to whether you have made progress or not. But
then, who has the 'right' markers? There are lots of descriptions of
enlightenment in various traditions. Jim's experience is one
Doing much better than its sibling which died a few years ago. The online
maintenance required the team to empty all the flash memory recently because of
an accumulation of errors (causing the rover to default to a safety mode) and
the fix was to reformat it so Opportunity can now continue on
Actually, the Pachelbel Canon is a strict canon in three parts over an ostinato
bass line which repeats every two measures. Each canon entry is offset by two
measures. So not only is it a canon, it is a set of variations as well. Because
he stops the canon, it does not repeat. Removing the bass
United States Constitution First Amendment:
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or
prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or
of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition
the government for
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote :
I never saw such a bunch of people with phobias, allergies, syndromes and
complaints as the people I knew at MIU.
For a brief period I was at MIU, though I generally stayed away from the
supposed cures for these things unless I
As meditation(s) original intent was an aid to enlightenment, and physiological
changes that result from various form of meditation can be a by-product, the
idea that meditation should be promoted as a health nostrum really seems to me
to betray its original purpose.
While you might feel
The phrase 'full mental potential' is rather kind of strange. Everyone is at
their full mental potential. Potential is unexpressed. You never know what that
potential is until it is expressed, and then it is an actuality, not a
potential. You never have to develop your full mental potential
Somehow all this research stuff seems like comparing apples and goats, because
the parameters measured in meditation are not correlated with spiritual goals.
Based on my reading, etc., I would say that the spiritual goals as defined by a
number of different schools of spiritual development (TM,
Mindfulness assumes that 'reality' is ever present at all levels rather than
something you have to hunt for or contact. In other words, it is based on the
end game of enlightenment. I believe Jim mentioned this was a cart before the
horse approach once. In some sense I think that is correct,
Apostate's original meaning is one who abandons his/her religion. This seems to
be the sense in which Buck uses the term. It has acquired over time the
connotations Michael posted below. Highly pejorative terms seem to develop in
religion to ward off potential or actual defectors as a kind of
Consciousness, awareness is always unchanged. Meditative techniques, including
just sitting still like Zen practitioners do, affect the mind, not
consciousness. I disagree with you if would seem. Meditative techniques clear
the mind so it becomes a better 'reflector' of consciousness. Long ago
Unless you adhere to the scientists who think consciousness is produced by the
brain, consciousness, awareness (I am using the terms synonymously here) lies
outside the mind and therefore the relationship of the mind to consciousness
cannot be understood by the mind directly since consciousness
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote :
Barry is probably feeling a little left out these days, since Judy isn't
around to respond to his cafe raps. Knowing, Barry - that really upsets him -
he hates to be ignored but he won't admit it.
You'll have to step in to try and
I have not been at MIU/MUM for some time, but I think I was one of the few who
actually watched an annular or partial eclipse of the sun there. I can't quite
remember when that was. Just about everyone else hid.
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote :
Another tid-bit
I do not recall, and only a few would even know because I told them, the others
were simply out of sight, so they would not know if I stayed out and watched. I
had a filter that allowed me to safely view the eclipse. Since it was not
total, it was not all that spectacular.
---In
Come on Ann, how can a person be terrified by engaging with Fairfield Life? How
much terror and fear do you experience when you are reading stuff here? Baiting
a cultist is pretty simple. Cultists typically believe certain specific things,
and all you have to do is disagree or attack those
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote :
Indeed, and the journalists he is bragging about has probably noticed this
too :-) Why would anyone with his mind in good order take a fellow who hasn't
bee practicing a path in more than 40 years as an authority?
Yes, I have been to an Apple Store. But I have never bought anything there. The
resolution of retina displays is based on the device size and how close you are
likely to be when viewing the screen. The smaller displays, such as an iPhone,
have a higher pixel density because they are likely to
This reply Michael, is not logically sound. It is circumstantial evidence that
M was more interested in other things. But I too noticed that projects began,
or were advertised, and then never materialised. I never gave money to any
movement project. It was always very clear that the flow of
No. It is just that CC is not enlightenment by any standard. It is an early
stage experience that one may have by whatever means a person is pursuing
enlightenment. It is not a permanent experience subjectively. It is the first
substantial taste of what 'freedom' in the enlightenment sense
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fleetwood_macncheese@... wrote :
Getting out more often, is an expression. It means, basically, to get out of
your head, and into your body.
Not going to happen. You visceral guys map that onto those of us for whom it
does not have much
This morning, while making a moderate attempt at exercise, I was reading a book
by James Swartz (Barry warning–too many words). I ended up reading a chapter
section entitled 'Pseudo-Enlightenment or Enlightenment Sickness', which seems
to have some relevance to the discussion between
A psychopath does not need a reason to off living entities. C'est la mort!
Maybe it was a race across the English Channel, and those are not fish, and the
Creator was rooting for someone off to the right.
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote :
I mean, what exactly did
Malaysia Flight 17 probably downed by a Russian surface to air missile over
Ukrainian rebel held territory. Debris field is about 16km across with bodies
scattered all over the place. Obvious signs the plane broke apart mid-air. Was
flying at 33,000 feet.
How can a resignation change luck, since luck is chance? Some airlines had
already routed flights around Ukraine, but others continued with their routes
until today. Lufthansa rerouted today, for example, as I suppose others did.
Also insurance tends not to include 'acts of war' in coverage, so
Now that Fairfield Life seems to have rather abruptly become all fluffy and
toothless as regards subject matter, I thought I would interject a few comments
by our favourite meat-eating, cigarette smoking, tobacco-store owning,
householder guru, Nisargadatta:
'Each seeker accepts, or
As MH17 bodies arrive in the Netherlands, it seems it might be a quieter day
there as a lengthy ceremony of unloading caskets takes place and commercials
temporarily removed from TV. I wonder if Barry notices anything out of the
ordinary in the daily life of the Dutch today. As the broadcast is
Fleetwood... —
I think Nisargadatta is referring to the traditional way the master-disciple
relationship plays out. Seeker finds a teacher, becomes realised, and then at
some point students gather around the now realised former seeker, and the
process begins anew. The problem of minds being
It might be useful to note that dissociative disorders reference a 'healthy'
ego as the centre of what a person is. Spiritual disciplines, while not
destroying the ego, displaces it from the centre of experience - it becomes a
peripheral object of experience rather than the centre of
Yes, Share but if you water the soup down with too much stock, it is very
unsatisfying, nutritionally thin. Richard's posts seem largely unconnected to
what goes on here, almost mechanical in their regularity. If he actually
discussed something and spent more time writing some original comment
Salyavin, you misunderstand. If, in a photograph of the sky, there is an
unrecognisable blob of indeterminate shape, this is definite evidence of an
alien spacecraft, just as much as bent straw is evidence of alien beings
tampering with crops.
It is interesting to watch TV shows showing
At my age, I am allowed to be cranky, and some people are just nuts.
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote :
Great analogy, Xeno. In the case of nutritionally thin stock I'd say then it's
up to the rest of us to add veggies and healthy spices like turmeric. I'll
Today, here on CNN, they showed live, without much commentary, the unrelenting
passage of hearses carrying the caskets of the remains of the MH17 crash
driving into Hilversum. Whoever was assigned to get that many vehicles of this
kind together must have had an interesting time organising. This
Why not just admit it now, without preconditions? You do not need Turq for
that. No one ever gets enlightened anyway. Something may happen that gets
called 'enlightenment', but no one ever has it.
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fleetwood_macncheese@... wrote :
...and sex, at least
Turq's mission, if he has one, is his. Mine, if I have one, is mine. Sometimes
they line up, sometimes they don't. Perhaps his mission recently is to unpack.
I moved recently*, and have not completely unpacked. What can be done today
might never really have to be done.
* five times in the
No. It is a description of taking things out of boxes and putting them where
one wishes in the current home after having put them in the box before leaving
the previous home. A general procedure one uses to move from one location to
another. What Turq does with his body parts is not my concern,
Share,
But logically, this is incorrect. While psychologically one might doubt a
person's statement because of his/her known character and reliability, the
truth of a statement made by someone can only logically be determined if it
corresponds to an actual fact. The fact the person is a
And keep in mind that the other 95% are also man made. Nabby have you ever
visited a crop circle yourself?
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote :
Always keep in mind that about 5% of the Crop Circles are manmade so the
verdict is still out on this one, it
A nice quotation [emphasis added] from the U.K. web site
http://www.circlmakers.org/ http://www.circlmakers.org/ where England's trove
of crop circle makers publishes their lore. About 90% of crop circles appear in
Southern England.
'The nocturnal pastime of circle making was made popular
It seems fairly obvious that people experience different qualities of
consciousness, but it is another matter to differentiate them in a hierarchy.
Some qualities are clearer than others. One could argue that the experience of
consciousness while drunk on alcohol is a less clear state than
Michael is an interesting case. The only danger for his project would be if he
were in a situation like Saul of Tarsus. My advice to Michael is to avoid the
road to Damascus.
A world waking up is still pretty sleepy.
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fleetwood_macncheese@... wrote :
Tolle just kind of popped into this state and then sat around on park benches
for about two years before he began to function in it. Jiddu Krishnamurti also
just seemed to slide into this state. So these people can talk about it, but
seem to have trouble formulating a strategy for getting
Knowledge is a familiarity, awareness or understanding of someone or something,
such as facts, information, descriptions, or skills, which is acquired through
experience or education by perceiving, discovering, or learning. Knowledge can
refer to a theoretical or practical understanding of a
'Researchers at the University of South Florida Health Byrd Alzheimer’s
Institute are currently studying the effects of coconut oil on a small group of
Alzheimer’s patients in a first-of-its-kind clinical trial. At this point in
time, there is no science to back up the claims that coconut oil
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote :
From: Bhairitu noozguru@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
A month ago I mentioned I ordered a dash cam after a stupid person on a
bike ran the stop sign and I almost hit him. I decided if these
Neanderthals
Janov does not look as if he really has the breadth of knowledge to evaluate
meditation in a manner scientists would consider rigorous, since his practice
is limited to a particular kind of therapy. There are however dangers in
meditation; the following web page is a pretty good summary of some
Hope is a worthless emotion and expectation, because it assumes a positive
outlook to the expectation when in fact there is no assurance that that
expectation will be realised, it is a kind of self-deluding posture for the
mind to take. A more realistic attitude is the expectation that the
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote :
On 8/1/2014 10:19 AM, anartaxius@... mailto:anartaxius@... [FairfieldLife]
wrote:
Janov does not look as if he really has the breadth of knowledge to evaluate
meditation in a manner scientists would consider rigorous, since
'He that cannot reason is a fool; he that will not reason is a bigot; he that
dare not reason is a slave.'
—William Drummond
'A fool's brain digests philosophy into folly, science into superstition, and
art into pedantry. Hence University education.'
—George Bernard Shaw
---In
I got Dracula too. Ah. Eternal youth from sucking the life out of others. Hey
meditators, forget TM and Ayurveda, come to my clinic!
I had trouble with some of the selections in the quiz, because they did not
have any significance for me. I seem to recall I read Dracula once while I was
on
Pensive and brooding with a penchant for solitary confinement, your fantastic
story unfolded within the pages of Bram Stoker's gothic classic, DRACULA.
Others mistake you for 'unhappy' on a regular basis, but simply do not
understand that you are different - and that is completely okay. You
At the bottom of the main page, Facebook posts are listed and many have pasted
in the book description associated with the book the quiz picked for them.
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote :
Many thanks, Xeno. As I suspected, the quiz author's take on the novels in
Another Quiz on the same website:
What Country in the World Best Fits Your Personality?
http://www.playbuzz.com/larak10/what-country-in-the-world-best-fits-your-personality
http://www.playbuzz.com/larak10/what-country-in-the-world-best-fits-your-personality
What Country in the World
This fits in perfectly with those first year pyschology course demonstrations
where everyone is given the same horoscope and 50% of the class responds it is
a good fit to their personality, and the other 50% say it is an excellent fit.
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote
Well ... Damn!
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote :
Do you trade in the car and the house, or do you go for it? :-)
This whole discussion is just text to me. You are all fictional characters —
shall I compare you to reality? Now BarryWorld sounds like a great amusement
park, at least from the viewpoint of onlookers outside the park. Inside the
park, the goal is to get to the other side of the park. After
There are theories about the drop of crime. The Maharishi Effect though is not
scientifically rigorous. Buck's problem is he does not understand that
scientific thought and procedure is essentially the antithesis of religious
thinking.
An interesting idea has appeared that lead poisoning was
Probably not very good form. There are no reliable ways to determine if someone
is 'enlightened'; the criterion is completely subjective which means only the
person who is enlightened could probably tell, and it is possible to mistake
various kinds of experiences for 'enlightenment'.
The
How many people in the enlightenment business divided by the Earth's human
population?
BatGap comes out to be 0.0342% [244 ÷ 7,130,000,000]
Muslims are 19% of the Earth's human population and a respectable number of
those would like to send us back to a nice mediaeval way of thinking
But because Ayurveda is not well researched in the clinical sense, how could
you possibly know if the person got better by way of Ayurveda? Inspiring people
to use an under-researched medical system is basically fraud.
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, saraswati888@... wrote :
I’m Ambuja,
Among the arguments against astrology is the proper motion of stars. Stars are
freely 'floating' in space. They are not fixed, they have velocities relative
to other starts. Over time their positions in the sky change. Here is a sample
of a familiar star grouping 'The Big Dipper' part of the
This seems like a positive step. I went through things as a meditator that,
were I, say, 12 to 22 years old, would have just made me flip. And these things
were the result of meditation. A large part of it was the almost total lack of
precise understanding of what I was experiencing and why.
Attached, the Mars rover Curiosity a few days ago. Animated GIF image.
Meditation-Related Psychosis
Almost all of us posting to Fairfield Life are practising TM or at some point
practised TM. So we can conclude that the way we are now is in some way related
to TM practice. We are the poster-child for TM. Normally selecting a
poster-child for a particular
I have no problem with differing meditation systems having a consistent EEG
pattern, and that very likely each system will have a different pattern. The
question is what does that pattern mean in terms of experience and knowledge
and living life. I like research, it can tell us a lot, but in
Summary:
'Like many procedures, Transcendental Meditation (TM) proves extremely
effective when applied to properly selected cases by informed practitioners. It
is not a panacea. IN face, when used indiscriminately, there are clinical
indications that the procedure can precipitate serious
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote :
I guess the question would be to what extent are these people likely to slip
into any of these aberrational psychiatric states even if they never started
TM? What's to say some death in the family or having been sent to war
Aside from military and political failure, transporting military equipment is
very expensive which is why it is often just left behind. Currently the U.S. is
attempting to remove military equipment from Afghanistan which is proving to be
very expensive for various reasons. In Afghanistan
What is with the image of the Virgin of Guadalupe at the end? Substituting one
delusion for another really does not work out.
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote :
And how I love it!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7sNoT2OW0Ms
Buck, if the so-called neganauts on this forum were really like ISIS
insurgents, you would be dead by now. Everyone seems to deny something. How
come you do not worship Zeus? You could be struck lifeless for that lack of
piety. As for 'Meditators; it's been a long time, it's been a sacrifice at
Share, believing stuff is built into the human psychology, it helps us learn,
but ultimately there is a price to pay for this wired-in gullibility. I was
sceptical from a fairly early age, but that does not mean I did not rather
consistently fall into various belief traps. If you get the
Ah! Procrastination. TM helped me by increasing my ability to procrastinate by
a factor of 10. I think the cross-wiring between TM and pseudo-science is
particularly damaging. because it reduces people's ability to discern whether
the practice or practises and whatnot are actually helping them,
Pretty nice. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com
wrote : This is how I talk to myself.a lot.oftenEverything is
indicative of the real, but awareness is the only aspect of reality that is
always available -- since it is the self, -- and this distinction is
This series of posts informs me that it's time for breakfast. ---In
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fleetwood_macncheese@... wrote : Barry =
balloon. Steve = pin.
Yes, unlike the rest of us, including Curtis and Marek, FFL means the world to
Barry, because it IS the world to Barry. No work,
While browsing this morning as an alternative to the Transcendental ISIS
launching its mortars at Barry in its eternal East-West War, I found the
following points on a web site which is claimed to enable one to recognise
enlightenment. As far as I am concerned, enlightenment can't be recognised
I sat in on a movement meeting once, and the person speaking was giving out
instructions on how to behave around the movement rajas, in other words, it was
an attempt to program the audience to behave towards them in a manner similar
to M. If you meet someone your respect, you will naturally
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