Re: [FairfieldLife] "Elders in Transition" moving...sale this weekend!
Correction: and the mere pronoun der.
Re: [FairfieldLife] "Elders in Transition" moving...sale this weekend!
This seems to be what Einstein actually said: „Die Quantenmechanik ist sehr achtunggebietend. Aber eine innere Stimme sagt mir, daß das noch nicht der wahre Jakob ist. Die Theorie liefert viel, aber dem Geheimnis des Alten bringt sie uns kaum näher. Jedenfalls bin ich überzeugt, daß der nicht würfelt.“ "Interesting" that he seems avoid using the word God, using instead des Alten the mere pronoun der?
Re: [FairfieldLife] "Elders in Transition" moving...sale this weekend!
Seem to recall Albert Einstein thought the weirdness of QM was based on some hidden variables, or something like that?? Gott würfelt nicht! https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gott_w%C3%BCrfelt_nicht https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gott_w%C3%BCrfelt_nicht https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hXb6jJ1lQ_o https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hXb6jJ1lQ_o
Re: [FairfieldLife] "Elders in Transition" moving...sale this weekend!
Chopra is wrong. No causative connection between pure Consciousness and physics is known (QM or any level of physics).
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FWIW, the description of PC (caturtham/chaturtham: the Fourth) in maaNDuukyopaniSat (mandukya upanishad) is IMO nothing short of as counterintuitive as many features of quantum mechanics (like e.g. spooky action at distance, or whatever): nAntaHpraj~naM na bahiShpraj~naM nobhayataHpraj~naM na praj~nAnaghanaM na praj~naM nApraj~nam | adR^iShTamavyavahAryamagrAhyamalakShaNaM achintyamavyapadeshyamekAtmapratyayasAraM prapa~nchopashamaM shAntaM shivamadvaitaM chaturthaM [emph. added] manyante sa AtmA sa vij~neyaH .. 7. In the following translation, chaturtha is replaced by its synonym, [origially: ka-?]turiiya [turiya]: Turiya is not that which is conscious of the inner (subjective) world, nor that which is conscious of the outer (objective) world, nor that which is conscious of both, nor that which is a mass of consciousness. It is not simple consciousness nor is It unconsciousness. It is unperceived, unrelated, incomprehensible, uninferable, unthinkable and indescribable. The essence of the Consciousness manifesting as the self in the three states, It is the cessation of all phenomena; It is all peace, all bliss and non—dual. This is what is known as the Fourth (Turiya). This is Atman and this has to be realized.
Re: [FairfieldLife] "Elders in Transition" moving...sale this weekend!
Supposed!? What else could Pure Consciousness be than subjective "experience" of the least excited state of matter, or stuff??
Re: [FairfieldLife] "Elders in Transition" moving...sale this weekend!
It's (ideological immunity) involves the entire MEME and all of its parts, reflecting back and forth with the global chakra system, particularly the heart chakra and what's " dear" to people; whether the TMO whole package, MMY, Hagelin, etc. People that select only a slice of the whole Meme risk being labeled a heretic. Example: Deepak Chopra emphasizes the supposed connection between Quantum Mechanics and pure Consciousness; but he can spend a whole lecture on the subject without mentioning MMY or TM. I believe he has a different Guru Thus, he's on the fringe of the Fairfield ideology, and might be viewed with suspicion if he visited there. He's not currently a a Maharishi TB.
Re: [FairfieldLife] "Elders in Transition" moving...sale this weekend!
There is a term called ideological immunity, and some sociologists think this is a factor in what holds communities together. Fairfield, Iowa, the meditator part, is basically based on a set of ideas. Ideological immunity means the ideas that help a community cohere are resistant to change in that population. If Fairfield were isolated from the rest of the world, this might work. But Fairfield is not isolated, new ideas, new forms of the same ideas filter in all the time. The TM movement itself is a variant of ideas primarily sourced from India. Each generation seems to have at least a slightly different framework for understanding the world, so in an open society, where new influences come in, the old and younger generations will always be out of sync. Those who hold the keys of power in an ideological based system always tend to resist change. That is the lack of flexibility, and flexibility is a key principle in SCI. The question is where do you bend to accommodate new thinking? Maharishi placed a lot of emphasis on "sameness of teaching." "Sameness of teaching" seems to be a key point in the problem of Fairfield. How far does it reasonably extend? The smallest circle of sameness here would be the right start of the mantra, and this might apply to mantras too, but the evidence is, this is not quite as critical. So if the mantra is satisfactory, and the use is correct, and the person goes off and meditates without any further knowledge, what will happen? How much of the supporting ideology is required for enlightenment? Some of it, all of it, none of it? The world has produced multiple systems for enlightenment, and some arguably work better than others, but it is not clear that the ideology of the TM movement is better than the others even if it were acknowledged that the meditation system of TM is superior. Most people seem to have spiritual ideas that are a mix of various influences, especially religious ideas indoctrinated prior to learning meditation, so the ideology of a particular system is never "pure" in the minds of most of its practitioners. This seems to be where the problem always arises. Like a blade of grass that bends in the storm, an ideological system has to have a method to evolve or it will break apart. The one part of TM that cannot be bent is the right start of the mantra. Anything other than that probably requires some flexibility, and more flexibility as you get farther from this core aspect. I see the problem as this -- spiritual progress is a series of instructions and activities that free the spirit. The instructions are useful until the spirit is free, and then they are not needed. These instructions however tend to be regarded in total as "The Truth" rather than as facilitators to discover truth which in this case is beyond the mind's ability to understand, beyond thought and conceptualization. Thus truth cannot be put into words, so the words that define the nature of a spiritual practice are in fact, not true, they are facilitators for discovery in helping the mind to stay on track in its day-to-day process of just letting go in meditation. As a result emphasis falls from the right start of the mantra to doggedly maintaining that everything that surrounds this simple practice must be invariable, yet the practice itself, once started, is out of individual control -- take it as it comes. Therefore there is only one thing in the TM movement that has to be prevented from bending -- the right start of meditation. Everything else has wiggle room. If meditation can be understood in the light of anything, then anything can be used to explain it. The explanations are not truths but metaphors to help stabilize practice. The truth dawns with the realization of enlightenment, not the explanation of it. On Sunday, December 10, 2017, 2:36:57 AM GMT, dhamiltony...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: Trending? Earlier this year I had a list gathering of more than a dozen friends of the TM community here who have recently sold their homes and left. People who have retirement means. This is unsettling in that to have a viable community there needs to be critical mass available in people. Studies by ISU of small towns shows that towns need at least 800 to have a viable sustaining local economy. One could worry for the Fairfield meditating community seeing the holes in the local economy when people with money resource move away. This was written about in another context as “Elders in Transition”... “Within TM this trend is seen too as TM elders who facilitated the late 1950's, 60's, and 1970's TM movement with Maharishi Mahesh Yogi have pretty much all passed away now, with their check-books gone too. There are some baby-boomers who are able and community minded with resources but they are fewer now too from the heady days of a large and popular movement of a few years ago. Some lots of middle and upper-middle-c
[FairfieldLife] "Elders in Transition" moving...sale this weekend!
Trending? Earlier this year I had a list gathering of more than a dozen friends of the TM community here who have recently sold their homes and left. People who have retirement means. This is unsettling in that to have a viable community there needs to be critical mass available in people. Studies by ISU of small towns shows that towns need at least 800 to have a viable sustaining local economy. One could worry for the Fairfield meditating community seeing the holes in the local economy when people with money resource move away. This was written about in another context as “Elders in Transition”... “Within TM this trend is seen too as TM elders who facilitated the late 1950's, 60's, and 1970's TM movement with Maharishi Mahesh Yogi have pretty much all passed away now, with their check-books gone too. There are some baby-boomers who are able and community minded with resources but they are fewer now too from the heady days of a large and popular movement of a few years ago. Some lots of middle and upper-middle-class TM meditators also left or moved away from the TM movement during the 1990's. “ See: Elders-in-Transition” “The evident consequent of those deeper check-books moving away is the loss of their ready support to their local Unity churches and the larger Unity movement. In trend, the baby-boomers are not necessarily as able or as interested in keeping up this financial support of churches behind their parents.” Posted as, Meditating Fairfield, Iowa and Unity Village Kansas City, Missouri https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/communal-studies-forum/esh_5TjbCpQ https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/communal-studies-forum/esh_5TjbCpQ Kindly, ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Actually I am staying put in meditating Fairfield, Iowa. It is way too much communal fun here to consider pulling up stakes, selling, or leaving for long. I like well enough visiting other places but I am always glad on returning home to the community of meditating Fairfield, Iowa. I forwarded this guy’s notice of selling his condo and leaving Fairfield. An old time initiator TM movement person going back to the late 1960’s and 1970’s courses with Maharishi. This kind of thing is an alarming trend for the community here. Serious trending.. This kind of thing is alarming, old TM'ers, initiators, moving away with their resources. I was keeping a list of people I know, old friends, who along with their means have decided in the last little while to pull up stakes and move their home away from Fairfield. John Roberts is moving...sale this weekend! Yikes! ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Doug, What country are you moving to? If we may ask? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Please forgive the impersonal nature of this announcement. JR As some of you know, I am moving out of the country at the end of December. As such, I am selling my condo at Heartland Park, (Fairfield,Ia.) and I am emptying it of its contents. All of the big stuff (except recliner) has been sold. What remains is miscellaneous, including lots of nice kitchen items, some small appliances and some decorative items. My asking prices constitute real bargains. I simply have to get this stuff out the door. This weekend, I will have an indoor moving sale on Saturday and Sunday, from 9 to 4. My address and phone number as well as a description of some of the items are below. There's no junk - many useful things. Tell your friends, especially anyone who needs to equip a kitchen. Lazy-Boy Rocking Recliner... Retail... $299... My Price...$75 Hoover Upright Vacuum.Retail $110... My Price... $39 “Thumper” Professional MassagerRetail... $319... My Price... $110 “Breadman” Bread MachineRetail... $159... My Price... $45 Treadmill (Pro CrossWalk Fitness Trainer)... Retail $599... My Price... $49 Champion Juicer... Retail $265... My Price... $36 All-Purpose Side Table/Storage Box w/Cushioned Seat... $39 “Seagull” Steel String Guitar... $129 Reverse Glass Painting “Lady in Kimono”... $39 Iron & Ironing Board... $25 VCR... $19 Water Distiller...$19 Rebounder... $33 There's more... Cookware, Dishes, Glasses, Utensils, etc. NICE STUFF! Sat/Sun Dec 9th & 10th from 10:00 'til 4:00 701 East Lowe Ave, #223 Left side, rear, top floor of 1st building in the Heartland Park Condominiums
