Re: [FairfieldLife] Barry, the somnambulist
In other words, Barry was hypnotized. That isn't the easy answer, as Barry would have us believe, that is the impossible to admit answer.:-) :-) :-) ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : Sorry. No hypnosis, no suggestion -- either prior to the things we witnessed or afterwards. That would be the easy explanation on one level, but unfortunately it doesn't match the reality of what people experienced around him. On another level, it's even more problematic, because you're suggesting someone who could hypnotize hundreds of people at once -- many of whom he'd never met before. I've often wished that I had the ability to do whatever it was that he did, and could demonstrate it to sceptics on this forum. What I'd do is take each person who thinks they've got their shit together and demonstrate levitation to them -- but while they were alone with me, no other witnesses. I'd make sure that they'd seen it and admitted to me that they'd seen it, and then I'd smile and leave, saying, Fine...now you're in the same position I am...go forth and try to convince anyone else that you saw what you saw. Heh heh. Seriously, s3raphita, I really don't give a shit what you or anyone else thinks about what I and hundreds of others experienced. We're still trying to figure it out ourselves. And one of the only things we can say for sure is that it doesn't seem that any kind of traditional hypnotism was employed. From: s3raphita@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2014 11:32 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Barry, the somnambulist How do we explain Barry's conviction that he witnessed Lenz rise up from the ground? Premise 1: The laws of physics imply that levitation events as claimed by Barry are improbable-verging-on-the- impossible. Premise 2: Barry is not communicating with us from the padded cell of an institute for the incurably insane. Premise 3: One in five people are suitable subjects for deep-hypnosis experiences. Premise 4: Frederick Lenz was a hypnotist. (This seems likely in view of the testimony of ex-followers who do claim that Lenz could use mass hypnosis.) It's commonplace in hypnosis work to induce negative and positive visual hallucinations - I've seen Derren Brown convince someone that he (Derren) was invisible and that objects moving around in front of him were levitating - though we observers could see Derren himself simply lifting up and putting down the items. I can't see why a hypnotist couldn't persuade people that he was floating mid-air. That may not even be necessary: if Lenz was simply to give someone a post-hypnotic suggestion that they'd have the memory of having seen the master float - then induce amnesia of what was said during the hypnotic trance itself - the subject would faithfully recall the miraculous event. As 20 per cent of people are natural somnambulists, maybe Lenz selected from that group to be in his inner circle. Barry may not be naturally somnambulistic but as he's been into lots of weird shit he's probably trained himself to enter altered states. So I wonder if Barry recalls ever being formally hypnotised by Lenz? Maybe someone has another explanation?
Re: [FairfieldLife] Barry, the somnambulist
On 11/20/2014 11:56 PM, TurquoiseBee wrote: */Sorry. No hypnosis, no suggestion -- either prior to the things we witnessed or afterwards. /* /// This is double-speak. You already claimed that TM was a form of hypnosis and that the reason anyone was a True Believer was because of suggestion. ///I think the exact words you used were brain washed. /Obviously you were in a trance induction state for years and by your own account you gave large sums of money to the organization at their suggestion. Then, you threw all your friends under the bus and accused us of being the TBs. ///You're the guy that is stalking us. /Go figure. **/ */That would be the easy explanation on one level, but unfortunately it doesn't match the reality of what people experienced around him. On another level, it's even more problematic, because you're suggesting someone who could hypnotize hundreds of people at once -- many of whom he'd never met before. /* */ /* */I've often wished that I had the ability to do whatever it was that he did, and could demonstrate it to sceptics on this forum. What I'd do is take each person who thinks they've got their shit together and demonstrate levitation to them -- but while they were alone with me, no other witnesses. I'd make sure that they'd seen it and admitted to me that they'd seen it, and then I'd smile and leave, saying, Fine...now you're in the same position I am...go forth and try to convince anyone else that you saw what you saw. Heh heh./* */ /* */Seriously, s3raphita, I really don't give a shit what you or anyone else thinks about what I and hundreds of others experienced. We're still trying to figure it out ourselves. And one of the only things we can say for sure is that it doesn't seem that any kind of traditional hypnotism was employed./*
[FairfieldLife] Barry, the somnambulist
How do we explain Barry's conviction that he witnessed Lenz rise up from the ground? Premise 1: The laws of physics imply that levitation events as claimed by Barry are improbable-verging-on-the- impossible. Premise 2: Barry is not communicating with us from the padded cell of an institute for the incurably insane. Premise 3: One in five people are suitable subjects for deep-hypnosis experiences. Premise 4: Frederick Lenz was a hypnotist. (This seems likely in view of the testimony of ex-followers who do claim that Lenz could use mass hypnosis.) It's commonplace in hypnosis work to induce negative and positive visual hallucinations - I've seen Derren Brown convince someone that he (Derren) was invisible and that objects moving around in front of him were levitating - though we observers could see Derren himself simply lifting up and putting down the items. I can't see why a hypnotist couldn't persuade people that he was floating mid-air. That may not even be necessary: if Lenz was simply to give someone a post-hypnotic suggestion that they'd have the memory of having seen the master float - then induce amnesia of what was said during the hypnotic trance itself - the subject would faithfully recall the miraculous event. As 20 per cent of people are natural somnambulists, maybe Lenz selected from that group to be in his inner circle. Barry may not be naturally somnambulistic but as he's been into lots of weird shit he's probably trained himself to enter altered states. So I wonder if Barry recalls ever being formally hypnotised by Lenz? Maybe someone has another explanation?
Re: [FairfieldLife] Barry, the somnambulist [1 Attachment]
On 11/20/2014 4:32 PM, s3raphita wrote: How do we explain Barry's conviction that he witnessed Lenz rise up from the ground?
Re: [FairfieldLife] Barry, the somnambulist
Sorry. No hypnosis, no suggestion -- either prior to the things we witnessed or
afterwards.
That would be the easy explanation on one level, but unfortunately it doesn't
match the reality of what people experienced around him. On another level, it's
even more problematic, because you're suggesting someone who could hypnotize
hundreds of people at once -- many of whom he'd never met before.
I've often wished that I had the ability to do whatever it was that he did, and
could demonstrate it to sceptics on this forum. What I'd do is take each person
who thinks they've got their shit together and demonstrate levitation to them
-- but while they were alone with me, no other witnesses. I'd make sure that
they'd seen it and admitted to me that they'd seen it, and then I'd smile and
leave, saying, Fine...now you're in the same position I am...go forth and try
to convince anyone else that you saw what you saw. Heh heh.
Seriously, s3raphita, I really don't give a shit what you or anyone else thinks
about what I and hundreds of others experienced. We're still trying to figure
it out ourselves. And one of the only things we can say for sure is that it
doesn't seem that any kind of traditional hypnotism was employed.
From: s3raph...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2014 11:32 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Barry, the somnambulist
How do we explain Barry's conviction that he witnessed Lenz rise up from
the ground?
Premise 1: The laws of physics imply that levitation events as claimed by Barry
are improbable-verging-on-the- impossible.
Premise 2: Barry is not communicating with us from the padded cell of an
institute for the incurably insane.Premise 3: One in five people are suitable
subjects for deep-hypnosis experiences.
Premise 4: Frederick Lenz was a hypnotist. (This seems likely in view of the
testimony of ex-followers who do claim that Lenz could use mass hypnosis.)
It's commonplace in hypnosis work to induce negative and positive visual
hallucinations - I've seen Derren Brown convince someone that he (Derren) was
invisible and that objects moving around in front of him were levitating -
though we observers could see Derren himself simply lifting up and putting down
the items. I can't see why a hypnotist couldn't persuade people that he was
floating mid-air.
That may not even be necessary: if Lenz was simply to give someone a
post-hypnotic suggestion that they'd have the memory of having seen the master
float - then induce amnesia of what was said during the hypnotic trance itself
- the subject would faithfully recall the miraculous event. As 20 per cent of
people are natural somnambulists, maybe Lenz selected from that group to be in
his inner circle. Barry may not be naturally somnambulistic but as he's been
into lots of weird shit he's probably trained himself to enter altered states.
So I wonder if Barry recalls ever being formally hypnotised by Lenz?
Maybe someone has another explanation?
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