Re: [FairfieldLife] Personal Enlightenment

[Archer Angel archonan...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

 It is interesting how many enlightened persons seem to fall into what is 
considered bad behaviour. As a Zen master said, after good behavior, 
enlightenment is the next most important thing.
It would seem that people have different strengths of ego, and what is left 
after awaking reflects how much of that conditioning is left intact.
If you put this in religious terms, surrender to God is basically subjugating 
ego to an imagined greater source or ego, if you think of God as a person. 
There is a certain practical value in having a name, and some idea of personal 
space in order to navigate the world and deal with other people.
But when the world is the world and you are just a part, or you see "yourself" 
in terms of that whole, it really is not a person, its very abstract, there is 
no boundary between you the supposed person and everything else. Awareness is 
not a person, it is totally abstract. Pure consciousness is not a person.
If everything is seen in terms of pure consciousness, that is not the viewpoint 
of a person.
Your personal "space" is just perceived as lingering stresses. Your personhood 
is just a mass of stresses. That is why deep sleep is so restful because "you" 
are not there.
The less you are there, the more things flow and are relaxed.
I think the word "Self" is a bad choice for talking about enlightenment because 
anybody living in the state of ignorance will tend to think of it in personal 
terms, for they have no choice but to do so.
Buddha talked of there being no self. This is really the same thing as "Self". 
Confusing terminology. People do not want to give up their stuff, what they are 
attached to. But to have the universal you have to give up your stuff because 
the universal is not personal, its the opposite of personal conceptually, even 
though it, in a way, contains the personal values.
Advertizing enlightenment as something you can "add" to your personhood is 
probably a good hook to get people to start seeking, but at some point the 
limitations of this become evident.
If you get clear enough you mentally have to give up everything, all your 
opinions, beliefs, even the spiritual system that you follow, because it is all 
a dream. The spiritual system operates in the state of ignorance, so it is not 
true, it is part of the illusion you are trying to eradicate, rather it is a 
set of instructions to lead you to truth.
But the truth of the matter is the system is not the same thing as what is 
found.
When people get awakened, one of the things they discover is, it isn't all the 
things they thought it would solve for their life problems, although the 
opportunity to work on those issues properly now comes into perspective. 
Enlightenment is then putting the knowledge found with awakening to work in 
one's life. Integrating, assimilating it so it is lived rather than believed or 
hoped for.
In every spiritual system you see this strange hangover of cultural 
superstitions and beliefs, and if you can see through these, assimilating 
Brahman Consciousness, as the movement calls it, will go much more smoothly. 
Very few people come completely clear once they find out what it is all about.
This is particularly ironic because what is found out is nothing is new, you 
knew it all along, the truth of the matter was before you all along. What this 
means is you, the supposed person, did all these activities, believing all 
these things, meditating, and so forth, for years and years, to get to the 
point where spirituality actually begins. 
TC, CC, GC, UC are preparations for enlightenment. BC is where it starts. While 
you still might meditate, as stresses impinge on the body and mind every day, 
you are beyond techniques as far as further advancement. You are, like it or 
not, self-sufficient as far as what happens next. If you are lazy, you will 
fall back, you will not be given a pardon for bad behavior, you cannot on the 
personal level act with impunity.
Lesha-Vidya or Laishavidya, however you want to spell it, remains and it has to 
be dealt with. If at this point you feel there are no rules, the enlightened 
can do what they like, think again.

On Saturday, September 2, 2017, 12:15:01 AM GMT, yifux...@yahoo.com 
[FairfieldLife]  wrote:  
 
     


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1. The personal individuality gets switched out of its central position.




[True, but switching it out doesn't eliminate it. There are notorious cases of 
egregious behavior among some probably Enlightened people, with abusive 
behavior continuing after E. We can conclude that a. such persons were not 
"really" Enlightened, or b. The switching out of individuality from its former 
central position (only an idea in the mind), is irrelevant when it comes to 
abusive behavior such as extracting sexual favors from (especially) females and 
some males, and  exhibiting egregious greedy behavior




Thus, though (1) is true, it by no means eliminates the "Personal" in 

[FairfieldLife] Personal Enlightenment

[yifux...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

Comments on
 1. The personal individuality gets switched out of its central position.
 

 [True, but switching it out doesn't eliminate it. There are notorious cases of 
egregious behavior among some probably Enlightened people, with abusive 
behavior continuing after E. We can conclude that a. such persons were not 
"really" Enlightened, or b. The switching out of individuality from its former 
central position (only an idea in the mind), is irrelevant when it comes to 
abusive behavior such as extracting sexual favors from (especially) females and 
some males, and  exhibiting egregious greedy behavior
 

 Thus, though (1) is true, it by no means eliminates the "Personal" in 
Enlightenment.  That's the evidence!]
 [back to the Chopping wood and carrying water.]
 

 2. To counter the above rebuttal, some Gurus resort to the "Crazy Wisdom" 
excuse which is total BS.  Crazy behavior is simply Crazy, Enlightened or not.
 

 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Personal Enlightenment

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On Friday, September 1, 2017, 9:44:42 AM GMT, dhamiltony...@yahoo.com 
[FairfieldLife]  wrote:  
 
     


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The main problem with the idea of enlightenment being personal is that it 
isn't. 
The human sense of individuality gets switched out of its center position with 
enlightenment. It is really just an idea in the mind. 
All the things that get grouped together as "self" are really mental 
conditionings. While these conditionings never entirely go away, what is called 
somewhat ironically as "Self", the universal value of enlightenment, is really 
nothing like the personal idea of self. 
Enlightenment is about the totality. It is not about "you." Until Brahman 
Consciousness, experience is still fairly corrupted with the individual idea of 
self. 





  
  

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