[FairfieldLife] RE: Another Interesting Take on Addiction

2014-02-08 Thread s3raphita
Re I'm pretty right wing when it comes to this stuff, I admit it.:
 

 It's funny how people feel the need to apologise for being right wing. I 
regard both wings as equally deluded. (My heroes are maverick outsiders - but 
paradoxically a society of radical individualists would be a healthier 
community.) And the idea that drug taking is an individual's private choice 
fits the libertarian approach which people usually regard as right wing. Back 
in the sixties the same attitude would have been regarded as dangerously left 
wing. 


[FairfieldLife] RE: Another Interesting Take on Addiction

2014-02-08 Thread awoelflebater


 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, s3raphita@... wrote:

 Re I'm pretty right wing when it comes to this stuff, I admit it.:
 

 It's funny how people feel the need to apologise for being right wing. I 
regard both wings as equally deluded. (My heroes are maverick outsiders - but 
paradoxically a society of radical individualists would be a healthier 
community.) And the idea that drug taking is an individual's private choice 
fits the libertarian approach which people usually regard as right wing. Back 
in the sixties the same attitude would have been regarded as dangerously left 
wing. 
 

 Interesting. But I have my biases and I would hate for anyone to call me 
right wing, maybe that's my left wing talking.




[FairfieldLife] RE: Another Interesting Take on Addiction

2014-02-08 Thread s3raphita
Re I would hate for anyone to call me right wing:
 A European right-wing conservative would have views far closer to a typical 
American Democrat than to a Republican. Eg, the right for a woman to be able to 
opt for an abortion is almost universally accepted over here. 
 But I would never label myself either right or left. Maybe I'd opt for 
something paradoxical like a right-wing anarchist or a left-wing 
libertarian but these right/left distinctions seem ever more pointless. We 
need a radically new politics as no one now trusts mainstream politicians. This 
disengagement from the established parties is usually presented as a crisis by 
the MSM but I regard it as a healthy sign that people are no longer willing to 
be taken for granted . 
 And to be fair to the Natural Law Party at least they were thinking outside 
the box.


[FairfieldLife] RE: Another Interesting Take on Addiction

2014-02-08 Thread awoelflebater


 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, s3raphita@... wrote:

 Re I would hate for anyone to call me right wing:
 A European right-wing conservative would have views far closer to a typical 
American Democrat than to a Republican. Eg, the right for a woman to be able to 
opt for an abortion is almost universally accepted over here. 
 But I would never label myself either right or left. Maybe I'd opt for 
something paradoxical like a right-wing anarchist or a left-wing 
libertarian but these right/left distinctions seem ever more pointless. We 
need a radically new politics as no one now trusts mainstream politicians. This 
disengagement from the established parties is usually presented as a crisis by 
the MSM but I regard it as a healthy sign that people are no longer willing to 
be taken for granted . 
 And to be fair to the Natural Law Party at least they were thinking outside 
the box.
 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 





[FairfieldLife] RE: Another Interesting Take on Addiction

2014-02-08 Thread s3raphita
By the way Ann, re your recent photo upload: that's a splendid hound you have. 
I'm jealous. I am more of a cat lover myself but all domestic animals are 
endlessly fascinating. Much more enjoyable and rewarding than a colour TV!
 Those who do TM are supposed to keep pets out of the room when they are 
meditating as the creatures bleed away your psychic energy - if MMY is to be 
believed. 


[FairfieldLife] RE: Another Interesting Take on Addiction

2014-02-08 Thread awoelflebater


 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, s3raphita@... wrote:

 By the way Ann, re your recent photo upload: that's a splendid hound you have. 
I'm jealous. I am more of a cat lover myself but all domestic animals are 
endlessly fascinating. Much more enjoyable and rewarding than a colour TV!
 Those who do TM are supposed to keep pets out of the room when they are 
meditating as the creatures bleed away your psychic energy - if MMY is to be 
believed. 
 

 I am of the belief that we are more likely to be the ones sucking the psychic 
energy off of animals. They deign to come into our lives, to take on our 
baggage, to give us unconditional love and to remain steadfast and loyal 
through thick and thin. I think, in that case, that I could afford to offer a 
little something to them in return in the form of psychic energy if, indeed, 
I actually had any of that in me to give.




[FairfieldLife] RE: Another Interesting Take on Addiction

2014-02-07 Thread s3raphita
The brain produces endorphins - endogenous morphine - naturally. I've 
wondered if some peoples' brains produce less of the goodies than others' which 
would make those deficient in endorphins more likely to succumb to opiate 
addiction. Never seen any discussion on the topic.
 

 But, that said, I don't think I'm buying the author's thesis: This means that 
alcoholism, drug addiction, eating disorders, suicide attempts, phobias, adhd, 
anxiety and depression, et al are all disorders of the brain and as such need 
the treatment of a medical doctor first. 
 There's been a huge rise in rates of all these addictions and disorders over 
the past decades so  I think the primary cause is the sense of alienation of 
modern humans. We're estranged from nature, the clan and the community; until 
we realign our relationships with each other no other treatment is going to be 
more than a temporary fix. 
 



[FairfieldLife] RE: Another Interesting Take on Addiction

2014-02-07 Thread awoelflebater


 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, s3raphita@... wrote:

 The brain produces endorphins - endogenous morphine - naturally. I've 
wondered if some peoples' brains produce less of the goodies than others' which 
would make those deficient in endorphins more likely to succumb to opiate 
addiction. Never seen any discussion on the topic.
 

 I have read something related to this. It involves overeaters or those who 
require more of something to get the same kind of satisfaction as someone who 
only imbibes smaller amounts of the same thing (food, alcohol, etc). Scientists 
have determined that the over-imbibers/eaters are those with a lack of chemical 
in the brain responsible for registering pleasure and so one piece of chocolate 
cake might fulfill one person (with the proper amount of this chemical), it 
would take half a cake for the one lacking this sensory feedback mechanism to 
register the same reward/benefit of the former. Not having looked further into 
this at this point, I can not tell you which chemical or chemicals were 
responsible for this but I am sure endorphins are part of the equation.
 

 But, that said, I don't think I'm buying the author's thesis: This means that 
alcoholism, drug addiction, eating disorders, suicide attempts, phobias, adhd, 
anxiety and depression, et al are all disorders of the brain and as such need 
the treatment of a medical doctor first. 
 There's been a huge rise in rates of all these addictions and disorders over 
the past decades so  I think the primary cause is the sense of alienation of 
modern humans. We're estranged from nature, the clan and the community; until 
we realign our relationships with each other no other treatment is going to be 
more than a temporary fix. 
 





[FairfieldLife] RE: Another Interesting Take on Addiction

2014-02-07 Thread s3raphita
Re I have read something related to this.:
 Yes, that sounds like the same territory I was suggesting. The problem with 
heroin addicts is that it's too late to investigate their natural production of 
endorphins when they're already hooked as their chemical self-regulation has 
already been shot.
 My main point was that as rates of alcoholism, drug addiction, eating 
disorders, suicide attempts, phobias, ADHD, anxiety and depression, sex 
addiction, computer addiction, porn addiction, self-harming fads, and gambling 
are all rising it's unlikely to come down to brain chemistry simply requiring a 
Prozac boost. It suggests it's today's society that is engineering isolated 
individuals (consumers) who are trying to escape from their sense of emptiness 
and estrangement via compulsive, immediate-reward behaviour. It's the young who 
are at the sharp end of recent changes and I don't envy them their future. 
 

 On an side note: if you knew who supplied PSH with his heroin would you tell 
the police? If I knew someone was selling *contaminated* drugs causing deaths 
in the community then I would certainly let the authorities know. But 
otherwise, I'd regard a mutually agreed transaction between PSH and his dealer 
as a private affair conducted between consenting adults. I suspect that's a 
minority opinion! 
 

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote:

 

 

 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, s3raphita@... wrote:

 The brain produces endorphins - endogenous morphine - naturally. I've 
wondered if some peoples' brains produce less of the goodies than others' which 
would make those deficient in endorphins more likely to succumb to opiate 
addiction. Never seen any discussion on the topic.
 

 I have read something related to this. It involves overeaters or those who 
require more of something to get the same kind of satisfaction as someone who 
only imbibes smaller amounts of the same thing (food, alcohol, etc). Scientists 
have determined that the over-imbibers/eaters are those with a lack of chemical 
in the brain responsible for registering pleasure and so one piece of chocolate 
cake might fulfill one person (with the proper amount of this chemical), it 
would take half a cake for the one lacking this sensory feedback mechanism to 
register the same reward/benefit of the former. Not having looked further into 
this at this point, I can not tell you which chemical or chemicals were 
responsible for this but I am sure endorphins are part of the equation.
 

 But, that said, I don't think I'm buying the author's thesis: This means that 
alcoholism, drug addiction, eating disorders, suicide attempts, phobias, adhd, 
anxiety and depression, et al are all disorders of the brain and as such need 
the treatment of a medical doctor first. 
 There's been a huge rise in rates of all these addictions and disorders over 
the past decades so  I think the primary cause is the sense of alienation of 
modern humans. We're estranged from nature, the clan and the community; until 
we realign our relationships with each other no other treatment is going to be 
more than a temporary fix. 
 







[FairfieldLife] RE: Another Interesting Take on Addiction

2014-02-07 Thread s3raphita
Re I have read something related to this.:
 Yes, that sounds like the same territory I was suggesting. The problem with 
heroin addicts is that it's too late to investigate their natural production of 
endorphins when they're already hooked as their chemical self-regulation has 
already been shot.
 My main point was that as rates of alcoholism, drug addiction, eating 
disorders, suicide attempts, phobias, ADHD, anxiety and depression, sex 
addiction, computer addiction, porn addiction, self-harming fads, and gambling 
are all rising it's unlikely to come down to brain chemistry simply requiring a 
Prozac boost. It suggests it's today's society that is engineering isolated 
individuals (consumers) who are trying to escape from their sense of emptiness 
and estrangement via compulsive, immediate-reward behaviour. It's the young who 
are at the sharp end of recent changes and I don't envy them their future. 
 

 On a side note: if you knew who supplied PSH with his heroin would you tell 
the police? If I knew someone was selling *contaminated* drugs causing deaths 
in the community then I would certainly let the authorities know. But 
otherwise, I'd regard a mutually agreed transaction between PSH and his dealer 
as a private affair conducted between consenting adults. I suspect that's a 
minority opinion! 


[FairfieldLife] RE: Another Interesting Take on Addiction

2014-02-07 Thread awoelflebater


 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, s3raphita@... wrote:

 Re I have read something related to this.:
 Yes, that sounds like the same territory I was suggesting. The problem with 
heroin addicts is that it's too late to investigate their natural production of 
endorphins when they're already hooked as their chemical self-regulation has 
already been shot.
 My main point was that as rates of alcoholism, drug addiction, eating 
disorders, suicide attempts, phobias, ADHD, anxiety and depression, sex 
addiction, computer addiction, porn addiction, self-harming fads, and gambling 
are all rising it's unlikely to come down to brain chemistry simply requiring a 
Prozac boost. It suggests it's today's society that is engineering isolated 
individuals (consumers) who are trying to escape from their sense of emptiness 
and estrangement via compulsive, immediate-reward behaviour. It's the young who 
are at the sharp end of recent changes and I don't envy them their future. 
 

 On a side note: if you knew who supplied PSH with his heroin would you tell 
the police?
 

 Most likely.
 

  If I knew someone was selling *contaminated* drugs causing deaths in the 
community then I would certainly let the authorities know. 
 

 Me too.
 

 But otherwise, I'd regard a mutually agreed transaction between PSH and his 
dealer as a private affair conducted between consenting adults. I suspect 
that's a minority opinion! 
 

 It could be complicated but off the top of my head I probably would be a 
tattle tale. I am not a fan of drugs or the drug culture (illicit or legal) so 
I would probably let the police know who it was. Drug dealers are enablers of 
the worst sort. They don't actually care about anything except making money. 
Consequently, so much of what these people busy themselves with is mere 
profiteering and at the expense of so many lives. I know the addict is the one 
ultimately making the choice to administer a toxin of their choice but that 
doesn't mean the enabler is without some aspect of collusion and therefore 
often the destruction of another life. I'm pretty right wing when it comes to 
this stuff, I admit it.