Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Drinking Vedic Coffee and Discerning 'Cult' from 'Sect'

2014-02-17 Thread Michael Jackson
that Bliss can be experienced even as I slap the Movement? On Sun, 2/16/14, salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Drinking Vedic Coffee and Discerning 'Cult' from 'Sect' To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday

[FairfieldLife] RE: Drinking Vedic Coffee and Discerning 'Cult' from 'Sect'

2014-02-17 Thread doctordumbass
Thanks for the info - still get a weird feeling about this - he must have been pretty delusional to take twenty five years to wake up to reality. I have heard of, and been prone myself, of attempting to prolong an experience of higher states of consciousness, but this doesn't hold water for me.

Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Drinking Vedic Coffee and Discerning 'Cult' from 'Sect'

2014-02-17 Thread TurquoiseBee
, February 17, 2014 2:55 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] RE: Drinking Vedic Coffee and Discerning 'Cult' from 'Sect'   Thanks for the info - still get a weird feeling about this - he must have been pretty delusional to take twenty five years to wake up to reality. I have heard of, and been prone myself

Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Drinking Vedic Coffee and Discerning 'Cult' from 'Sect'

2014-02-17 Thread awoelflebater
wrote: Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Drinking Vedic Coffee and Discerning 'Cult' from 'Sect' To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, February 16, 2014, 7:52 PM I'm convinced you can

[FairfieldLife] RE: Drinking Vedic Coffee and Discerning 'Cult' from 'Sect'

2014-02-17 Thread authfriend
Robin's heterosexual. Thanks for the info - still get a weird feeling about this - he must have been pretty delusional to take twenty five years to wake up to reality. I have heard of, and been prone myself, of attempting to prolong an experience of higher states of consciousness, but this

[FairfieldLife] RE: Drinking Vedic Coffee and Discerning 'Cult' from 'Sect'

2014-02-17 Thread awoelflebater
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: Thanks for the info - still get a weird feeling about this - he must have been pretty delusional to take twenty five years to wake up to reality. I have heard of, and been prone myself, of attempting to prolong an

Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Drinking Vedic Coffee and Discerning 'Cult' from 'Sect'

2014-02-17 Thread doctordumbass
? On Sun, 2/16/14, salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com mailto:no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Drinking Vedic Coffee and Discerning 'Cult' from 'Sect' To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, February 16, 2014, 7:52 PM

Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Drinking Vedic Coffee and Discerning 'Cult' from 'Sect'

2014-02-17 Thread authfriend
@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, February 17, 2014 2:55 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] RE: Drinking Vedic Coffee and Discerning 'Cult' from 'Sect' Thanks for the info - still get a weird feeling about this - he must have been pretty delusional to take twenty five years to wake

Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Drinking Vedic Coffee and Discerning 'Cult' from 'Sect'

2014-02-17 Thread salyavin808
can be experienced even as I slap the Movement? On Sun, 2/16/14, salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com mailto:no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Drinking Vedic Coffee and Discerning 'Cult' from 'Sect

Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Drinking Vedic Coffee and Discerning 'Cult' from 'Sect'

2014-02-17 Thread Michael Jackson
? On Sun, 2/16/14, salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Drinking Vedic Coffee and Discerning 'Cult' from 'Sect' To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, February 16, 2014, 7:52 PM

Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Drinking Vedic Coffee and Discerning 'Cult' from 'Sect'

2014-02-17 Thread salyavin808
. On Mon, 2/17/14, salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com mailto:no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Drinking Vedic Coffee and Discerning 'Cult' from 'Sect' To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday

[FairfieldLife] RE: Drinking Vedic Coffee and Discerning 'Cult' from 'Sect'

2014-02-16 Thread steve.sundur
Wow, I hope you don't me saying this, but this is the nicest post we've had in about six months. And it sounds like more than witnessing. I say that because as I've always understood it, the transcendental field is without attributes. It is when we experience it that it becomes blissful. But

[FairfieldLife] RE: Drinking Vedic Coffee and Discerning 'Cult' from 'Sect'

2014-02-16 Thread salyavin808
Yes, I used to get a lot of things like that. A text book progression of enlightened states as espoused by Marshy. Really amazingly nice and it convinced me I was going to get there but it all stopped, maybe it will start up again but I doubt it and it doesn't even interest me any more, it's

Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Drinking Vedic Coffee and Discerning 'Cult' from 'Sect'

2014-02-16 Thread Michael Jackson
that's cause you aren't taking amrit, having yagyas done and practicing TMSP as many hours as possible in a group up in Skelmersdale On Sun, 2/16/14, salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: Subject: [FairfieldLife] RE: Drinking Vedic Coffee

[FairfieldLife] RE: Drinking Vedic Coffee and Discerning 'Cult' from 'Sect'

2014-02-16 Thread steve.sundur
I'm thinking of some of the other flashy experiences that have been related here periodically. Bob Price related one, sometime ago. MJ related one recently. In both cases they were more or less just footnotes, and then life moved on. But they also seemed to have left their mark and a

[FairfieldLife] RE: Drinking Vedic Coffee and Discerning 'Cult' from 'Sect'

2014-02-16 Thread awoelflebater

Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Drinking Vedic Coffee and Discerning 'Cult' from 'Sect'

2014-02-16 Thread Michael Jackson
and the next day appear to be venal, petty tyrants and sexual opportunists and so forth. On Sun, 2/16/14, steve.sun...@yahoo.com steve.sun...@yahoo.com wrote: Subject: [FairfieldLife] RE: Drinking Vedic Coffee and Discerning 'Cult' from 'Sect

Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Drinking Vedic Coffee and Discerning 'Cult' from 'Sect'

2014-02-16 Thread doctordumbass
. On Sun, 2/16/14, steve.sundur@... mailto:steve.sundur@... steve.sundur@... mailto:steve.sundur@... wrote: Subject: [FairfieldLife] RE: Drinking Vedic Coffee and Discerning 'Cult' from 'Sect' To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com

[FairfieldLife] RE: Drinking Vedic Coffee and Discerning 'Cult' from 'Sect'

2014-02-16 Thread authfriend
Fascinating, Salyavin. That is remarkably similar--virtually identical--to how Robin described his own exprience. Except for him, for whatever reason, it lasted for over a decade, and he spent 25 years working to get rid of it because of how ultimately destructive it had proved to be. At

Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Drinking Vedic Coffee and Discerning 'Cult' from 'Sect'

2014-02-16 Thread steve.sundur
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote: And like everyone else in the world they wanted everyone else to corroborate their reality so they made a big deal out of it and created all the sacred books of the Hindoos that everybody was supposed to embrace if they were smart.

Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Drinking Vedic Coffee and Discerning 'Cult' from 'Sect'

2014-02-16 Thread awoelflebater
characteristics that are the same for all those having attained those states. On Sun, 2/16/14, steve.sundur@... mailto:steve.sundur@... steve.sundur@... mailto:steve.sundur@... wrote: Subject: [FairfieldLife] RE: Drinking Vedic Coffee and Discerning 'Cult

Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Drinking Vedic Coffee and Discerning 'Cult' from 'Sect'

2014-02-16 Thread steve.sundur
and the next day appear to be venal, petty tyrants and sexual opportunists and so forth. On Sun, 2/16/14, steve.sundur@... mailto:steve.sundur@... steve.sundur@... mailto:steve.sundur@... wrote: Subject: [FairfieldLife] RE: Drinking Vedic Coffee

[FairfieldLife] RE: Drinking Vedic Coffee and Discerning 'Cult' from 'Sect'

2014-02-16 Thread salyavin808
Yes it did sound familiar to Robin, I didn't have any rolling about on the floor crying. I was just sitting at my desk looking at a paper clip, suddenly I noticed a fingerprint on the metal and then I saw a rainbow in the oil of my fingerprint. And then everything changed, very real and

[FairfieldLife] RE: Drinking Vedic Coffee and Discerning 'Cult' from 'Sect'

2014-02-16 Thread salyavin808
I don't know if it's random brain activity or sudden increase in brain activity or coherence if you like, but it seems like an improvement unlike other altered brain states which are mostly awful. Even the positive sounding ones like the upturn of bipolar disorder leave you less able to get

[FairfieldLife] RE: Drinking Vedic Coffee and Discerning 'Cult' from 'Sect'

2014-02-16 Thread authfriend
But you do seem to understand how someone who had that experience and had it stick would want to do what he or she could to share it with others, help them get there as well. Not really a matter of ego per se. On the other hand, I can understand how being in that state and having others

[FairfieldLife] RE: Drinking Vedic Coffee and Discerning 'Cult' from 'Sect'

2014-02-16 Thread salyavin808
Comments below... ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote: But you do seem to understand how someone who had that experience and had it stick would want to do what he or she could to share it with others, help them get there as well. Not really a matter of ego per se. I

Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Drinking Vedic Coffee and Discerning 'Cult' from 'Sect'

2014-02-16 Thread Richard J. Williams
On 2/16/2014 9:10 AM, Michael Jackson wrote: Along comes Marshy, fanatic Hindoo, and he used the playbook to make a nice living for himself. This message feels like a mind-fuck posted by a button-pushing troll that doesn't like Hindus or Hindu Pundits. Why shouldn't Hindus be able to make

Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Drinking Vedic Coffee and Discerning 'Cult' from 'Sect'

2014-02-16 Thread salyavin808
@... mailto:steve.sundur@... wrote: Subject: [FairfieldLife] RE: Drinking Vedic Coffee and Discerning 'Cult' from 'Sect' To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, February 16, 2014, 2:28 PM I'm thinking of some

[FairfieldLife] RE: Drinking Vedic Coffee and Discerning 'Cult' from 'Sect'

2014-02-16 Thread authfriend
Very interesting speculations, thank you. You could well be right on many if not all of them. I don't really have anything to add, except a couple of caveats: First, as far as Robin was concerned, he was teaching primarily TM initiators, who all had Maharishi's techniques under their belts.

[FairfieldLife] RE: Drinking Vedic Coffee and Discerning 'Cult' from 'Sect'

2014-02-16 Thread doctordumbass
Yeah, that is because Unity Consciousness is still Unity, in terms of the Self; a person's 'owned' universality. It isn't full enlightenment. Brahman, where the identity dissolves, is actual enlightenment. All the seven states, in MMY's early model (before he began in the 80's talking about

Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Drinking Vedic Coffee and Discerning 'Cult' from 'Sect'

2014-02-16 Thread steve.sundur
@... wrote: Subject: [FairfieldLife] RE: Drinking Vedic Coffee and Discerning 'Cult' from 'Sect' To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, February 16, 2014, 2:28 PM I'm thinking of some of the other

[FairfieldLife] RE: Drinking Vedic Coffee and Discerning 'Cult' from 'Sect'

2014-02-16 Thread authfriend
Not sure what you mean by ended up. Could you explain? A lot of what he was doing, apparently, was purging himself of what he called his secret infirmities--presumably personality flaws he hadn't been aware of--that he believed were responsible for things going so wrong. Or rather, as he saw

[FairfieldLife] RE: Drinking Vedic Coffee and Discerning 'Cult' from 'Sect'

2014-02-16 Thread awoelflebater
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: Yes it did sound familiar to Robin, I didn't have any rolling about on the floor crying. I was just sitting at my desk looking at a paper clip, suddenly I noticed a fingerprint on the metal and then I saw a rainbow in the

[FairfieldLife] RE: Drinking Vedic Coffee and Discerning 'Cult' from 'Sect'

2014-02-16 Thread salyavin808

[FairfieldLife] RE: Drinking Vedic Coffee and Discerning 'Cult' from 'Sect'

2014-02-16 Thread awoelflebater
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: I don't know if it's random brain activity or sudden increase in brain activity or coherence if you like, but it seems like an improvement unlike other altered brain states which are mostly awful. Even the positive

Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Drinking Vedic Coffee and Discerning 'Cult' from 'Sect'

2014-02-16 Thread Michael Jackson
could have done without it all, or as Edg would say, BAH! I miss Edg - he was pithy and erudite all at the same time. On Sun, 2/16/14, steve.sun...@yahoo.com steve.sun...@yahoo.com wrote: Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Drinking Vedic Coffee

Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Drinking Vedic Coffee and Discerning 'Cult' from 'Sect'

2014-02-16 Thread Michael Jackson
I agree but Marshy did - that was part of his con game. On Sun, 2/16/14, awoelfleba...@yahoo.com awoelfleba...@yahoo.com wrote: Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Drinking Vedic Coffee and Discerning 'Cult' from 'Sect' To: FairfieldLife

Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Drinking Vedic Coffee and Discerning 'Cult' from 'Sect'

2014-02-16 Thread Michael Jackson
Coffee and Discerning 'Cult' from 'Sect' To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, February 16, 2014, 5:02 PM   Yes it did sound familiar to Robin, I didn't have any rolling about on the floor crying. I was just

Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Drinking Vedic Coffee and Discerning 'Cult' from 'Sect'

2014-02-16 Thread steve.sundur
@... mailto:steve.sundur@... steve.sundur@... mailto:steve.sundur@... wrote: Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Drinking Vedic Coffee and Discerning 'Cult' from 'Sect' To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, February 16, 2014, 4:30 PM

Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Drinking Vedic Coffee and Discerning 'Cult' from 'Sect'

2014-02-16 Thread doctordumbass
@... mailto:steve.sundur@... wrote: Subject: [FairfieldLife] RE: Drinking Vedic Coffee and Discerning 'Cult' from 'Sect' To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, February 16, 2014, 2:28 PM I'm thinking

[FairfieldLife] RE: Drinking Vedic Coffee and Discerning 'Cult' from 'Sect'

2014-02-16 Thread doctordumbass
I just meant in terms of his awareness. The whole thing sounds weird, as if he could not escape a context that he very much wanted to, and it took him 25 to 30% of his lifespan??? Even criminals get off more lightly. His explanations sound like too much self referencing, unless he was cutting

[FairfieldLife] RE: Drinking Vedic Coffee and Discerning 'Cult' from 'Sect'

2014-02-16 Thread authfriend
Actually, in addition to his work on himself, he was supporting himself by doing substitute teaching in inner-city middle schools for much of that period. Hard to imagine a job more appropriate for cutting the ego down to size. Most of the 25 years was apparently sheer misery and constant

[FairfieldLife] RE: Drinking Vedic Coffee and Discerning 'Cult' from 'Sect'

2014-02-15 Thread salyavin808
Potayto, potahto.

[FairfieldLife] RE: Drinking Vedic Coffee and Discerning 'Cult' from 'Sect'

2014-02-15 Thread steve.sundur
would be helpful if you clicked on the three dots when making a reply, so we can see what you are replying to ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: Potayto, potahto.

[FairfieldLife] RE: Drinking Vedic Coffee and Discerning 'Cult' from 'Sect'

2014-02-15 Thread salyavin808
Potayto, potahto. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5@... wrote: No, most of what you are offering as definition technically is about sects. Cults form around charismatic persons. Sects form out of specialness, exception or differentiation as in different denominations of

[FairfieldLife] RE: Drinking Vedic Coffee and Discerning 'Cult' from 'Sect'

2014-02-15 Thread steve.sundur
(-: Hey, neat about that witnessing experience. I experienced it once, and didn't realize it till after the fact. But was the experience blissful for you? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: Potayto, potahto. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,

[FairfieldLife] RE: Drinking Vedic Coffee and Discerning 'Cult' from 'Sect'

2014-02-15 Thread salyavin808
Yes, like being wrapped in infinite cotton wool, all rosy and warm. During some of those experiences I'd spend days seeing the world like it's made of christmas tree lights with that angel hair round them. Then it got even better and I saw where the light came from and I knew everything