[FairfieldLife] Re: Jesuit Trained Pope Trashes Capitalism in Call for Worldwide Socialism

2013-12-09 Thread Jason
Thanks for raising this issue Bhairitu. Right now, patent period for patent holders is 20 years, which IMO is too long. This is one of the reasons why new inventions take too long to become cheap. Take for instance the Compact-Disk developed by Philips and Sony. It took 20 years for CD's to

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Jesuit Trained Pope Trashes Capitalism in Call for Worldwide Socialism

2013-12-09 Thread Share Long
Thanks, Jason, I learned something about patents from your post. On Monday, December 9, 2013 3:34 AM, Jason jedi_sp...@yahoo.com wrote:   Thanks for raising this issue Bhairitu. Right now, patent period for patent holders is 20 years, which IMO is too long.  This is one of the reasons

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Jesuit Trained Pope Trashes Capitalism in Call for Worldwide Socialism

2013-12-09 Thread Bhairitu
Corporate lawyers like to patent anything that isn't nailed down. The board of directors for the software company I worked for wanted patents. So I had to put together a patent program with a patent attorney even though none of us wanted to do it. Software patents are particularly

[FairfieldLife] Re: Jesuit Trained Pope Trashes Capitalism in Call for Worldwide Socialism

2013-12-08 Thread Jason
Hey Bhairitu, the first thing that needs to be done is to de-link the 'political-system' from the economic-system. Of course, you can't ban private donations. That would go against the very spirit of democracy and freedom. However, you can create a situation in which there is no incentive for

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Jesuit Trained Pope Trashes Capitalism in Call for Worldwide Socialism

2013-12-08 Thread Bhairitu
The country needs to be about 90% socialist and 10% capitalist (actually free enterprise). The latter would take care of the folks who want to work for themselves and the former the majority who don't want to worry about running a company. You would need to limit the size of companies

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Jesuit Trained Pope Trashes Capitalism in Call for Worldwide Socialism

2013-12-08 Thread doctordumbass
I saw a fascinating interview on France 24, recently -- the equivalent of BBC world service. It was with President Goodluck Jonathan, of Nigeria. He was explaining how Nelson Mandela changed African politics, by having a broader vision for South Africa, and the ability to carry it out, than

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Jesuit Trained Pope Trashes Capitalism in Call for Worldwide Socialism

2013-12-06 Thread Mike Dixon
So , what was your point? On Thursday, December 5, 2013 10:05 AM, Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com wrote:   I think we got a barbell situation right here on FFL! On Thursday, December 5, 2013 12:02 PM, Jason jedi_sp...@yahoo.com wrote:   You don't understand. It's called the

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Jesuit Trained Pope Trashes Capitalism in Call for Worldwide Socialism

2013-12-06 Thread Share Long
Mike, my point was and is: it's all pretty funny so I hope you can just enjoy the humor of it all (-: On Friday, December 6, 2013 8:52 AM, Mike Dixon mdixon.6...@yahoo.com wrote:   So , what was your point? On Thursday, December 5, 2013 10:05 AM, Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Jesuit Trained Pope Trashes Capitalism in Call for Worldwide Socialism

2013-12-06 Thread Mike Dixon
Share I was asking Bharitu what his point was,regarding that court case he was sighting. On Friday, December 6, 2013 7:18 AM, Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com wrote:   Mike, my point was and is: it's all pretty funny so I hope you can just enjoy the humor of it all (-: On Friday,

[FairfieldLife] Re: Jesuit Trained Pope Trashes Capitalism in Call for Worldwide Socialism

2013-12-05 Thread Jason
You don't understand. It's called the barbell strategy. You create a system which has some positives and drawbacks. You again create another reverse mirror image system. The two systems balance each other out. A 'socialistic political system' will balance out a 'capitalistic economic system'.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Jesuit Trained Pope Trashes Capitalism in Call for Worldwide Socialism

2013-12-05 Thread Share Long
I think we got a barbell situation right here on FFL! On Thursday, December 5, 2013 12:02 PM, Jason jedi_sp...@yahoo.com wrote:   You don't understand. It's called the barbell strategy. You create a system which has some positives and drawbacks. You again create another reverse mirror

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Jesuit Trained Pope Trashes Capitalism in Call for Worldwide Socialism

2013-12-04 Thread Mike Dixon
No dude, I had a typical public education. I grew up very liberal and anti -capitalist until I got my first job,LOL! My eyes opened and M's teaching  began to sink in. I remember Varmaji telling me you are the creator of your own destiny and I started developing a strong sense of personal

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Jesuit Trained Pope Trashes Capitalism in Call for Worldwide Socialism

2013-12-04 Thread Bhairitu
Well your facts are wrong about the founding fathers. Did you know that corporations were limited to a 40 year life span and then they had to be dissolved? They also had to prove to do public good. Santa Clara vs Southern Pacific changed that (another mucking up by the Supremes). On

[FairfieldLife] Re: Jesuit Trained Pope Trashes Capitalism in Call for Worldwide Socialism

2013-12-04 Thread Jason
--- s3raphita@... wrote: Re Capitalist governments shouldn't be bailing anybody out . . . If the government takes the risk out of the equation by offering a bailout, any fool could run a business and risk everyone's investments in it with no lessons learned.: Precisely my point. You can

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Jesuit Trained Pope Trashes Capitalism in Call for Worldwide Socialism

2013-12-04 Thread Mike Dixon
Be specific . What facts did I attribute to founding fathers that were incorrect? On Wednesday, December 4, 2013 9:15 AM, Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net wrote:   Well your facts are wrong about the founding fathers.  Did you know that corporations were limited to a 40 year life span and

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Jesuit Trained Pope Trashes Capitalism in Call for Worldwide Socialism

2013-12-04 Thread Mike Dixon
And the party that offers the voters the best *bribe*  for their vote wins. On Wednesday, December 4, 2013 9:48 AM, Mike Dixon mdixon.6...@yahoo.com wrote:   Be specific . What facts did I attribute to founding fathers that were incorrect? On Wednesday, December 4, 2013 9:15 AM,

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Jesuit Trained Pope Trashes Capitalism in Call for Worldwide Socialism

2013-12-04 Thread Bhairitu
Did you bother to look up Santa Clara vs Southern Pacific? That would have given you an education. It is as bad a decision as the recent Supremes giving corporations personhood. I suppose if Republicans bride then it isn't so bad, eh? They don't bother anymore. They just fix the voting

[FairfieldLife] RE: Jesuit Trained Pope Trashes Capitalism in Call for Worldwide Socialism

2013-12-04 Thread s3raphita
Re At least, 3% of the total budget should be allocated to political parties as subsidies.: WTF! I don't want one cent of my money to go to a political party. Let them pay for their own propaganda. Extremist parties wouldn't arise if mainstream parties actually pursued policies that were

Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Jesuit Trained Pope Trashes Capitalism in Call for Worldwide Socialism

2013-12-04 Thread Share Long
But noozguru if individuals don't support political parties, doesn't that make it more likely that they'll seek support from special interest groups? In any case, it should be volunteer support. On Wednesday, December 4, 2013 2:31 PM, s3raph...@yahoo.com s3raph...@yahoo.com wrote:   Re

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Jesuit Trained Pope Trashes Capitalism in Call for Worldwide Socialism

2013-12-04 Thread Mike Dixon
Santa Clara vs Southern Pacific , yeah sounds like a case involving our forfathers. LOL. So who heard the case, 9th Circus Court of appeals? Aren't they overturned by the Supreme Court on a regular basis?   On Wednesday, December 4, 2013 12:04 PM, Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net wrote:  

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Jesuit Trained Pope Trashes Capitalism in Call for Worldwide Socialism

2013-12-04 Thread Bhairitu
Didn't look it up did ya? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Santa_Clara_County_v._Southern_Pacific_Railroad On 12/04/2013 04:44 PM, Mike Dixon wrote: Santa Clara vs Southern Pacific , yeah sounds like a case involving our forfathers. LOL. So who heard the case, 9th Circus Court of appeals? Aren't

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Jesuit Trained Pope Trashes Capitalism in Call for Worldwide Socialism

2013-12-03 Thread Bhairitu
So you were home schooled by Birchers? On 12/02/2013 05:00 PM, Mike Dixon wrote: Snoozguru, you must have been snoozing in your history class. The founding fathers were not put-off on capitalism. They loved it! Their economic system was capitalism based on Laissez-Faire(government hands off

[FairfieldLife] RE: Jesuit Trained Pope Trashes Capitalism in Call for Worldwide Socialism

2013-12-03 Thread s3raphita
Re Capitalist governments shouldn't be bailing anybody out . . . If the government takes the risk out of the equation by offering a bailout, any fool could run a business and risk everyone's investments in it with no lessons learned.: Precisely my point. You can argue that we should move

Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Jesuit Trained Pope Trashes Capitalism in Call for Worldwide Socialism

2013-12-02 Thread Mike Dixon
That 17 trillion national debt comes mainly from socialistic programs, not capitalism. Was it Margaret Thatcher that said The problem with socialism is, sooner or later, you run out of other peoples money to spend. American politicians have over- spent the wealth capitalism has produced in

[FairfieldLife] RE: Jesuit Trained Pope Trashes Capitalism in Call for Worldwide Socialism

2013-12-02 Thread s3raphita
Re That 17 trillion national debt comes mainly from socialistic programs, not capitalism. American politicians have over-spent the wealth capitalism has produced in order to get re-elected.: That's all true. (It's the same in UK.) But what's also true is that the old-school opponents who

[FairfieldLife] Re: Jesuit Trained Pope Trashes Capitalism in Call for Worldwide Socialism

2013-12-02 Thread bhairitu
Socialist programs such as bailing out the big banks or wars of empire to protect American (corporate) interests? Wanna buy a bridge, Mike? I don't know if the fascist Margaret Thatcher said that but the rich found it to be true especially after they had robbed most of the middle class of

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Jesuit Trained Pope Trashes Capitalism in Call for Worldwide Socialism

2013-12-02 Thread Richard J. Williams
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Jesuit Trained Pope Trashes Capitalism in Call for Worldwide Socialism

2013-12-02 Thread Mike Dixon
Snoozguru, you must have been snoozing in your history class. The founding fathers were not put-off on capitalism. They loved it! Their economic system was capitalism based on Laissez-Faire(government hands off business).  They wanted no government regulation of business other than to prevent

[FairfieldLife] RE: Jesuit Trained Pope Trashes Capitalism in Call for Worldwide Socialism

2013-12-02 Thread s3raphita
Re Socialist programs such as bailing out the big banks: Bailing out failing businesses isn't capitalism red in tooth and claw! It was the Labour government in the UK that bailed out the banks over here. Here's the thing: when facing bankruptcy, the head of Lehmann's in the US went to

[FairfieldLife] RE: Jesuit Trained Pope Trashes Capitalism in Call for Worldwide Socialism

2013-12-01 Thread doctordumbass
If you read the document that Pope Francis wrote, there is none of the exclusionary language that you refer to, in it. He specifically warns against that, and many other ways to become falsely pious. He refers to capitalism, the monetization of anything and everything, as dehumanizing. I agree

[FairfieldLife] Re: Jesuit Trained Pope Trashes Capitalism in Call for Worldwide Socialism

2013-12-01 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@... wrote: If you read the document that Pope Francis wrote, there is none of the exclusionary language that you refer to, in it. He specifically warns against that, and many other ways to become falsely pious. He refers to capitalism, the

[FairfieldLife] RE: Jesuit Trained Pope Trashes Capitalism in Call for Worldwide Socialism

2013-12-01 Thread s3raphita
Re American capitalism has created more wealth than any other economic system and with that wealth has lifted more people out of poverty than any other system.: That is undeniably true. The problem is that you (Yanks) now have debt equal to $17 trillion. There is no way you can pay that

[FairfieldLife] RE: Jesuit Trained Pope Trashes Capitalism in Call for Worldwide Socialism

2013-11-30 Thread emptybill
Email HIM. Offer to evangelize the Tantrika-s. Maybe he'll offer to make you a socialist proselyte and then, if you are successful, a bishop. ---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com, noozguru@... wrote: BTW, those folks over on Infowars have a tendency to contradict themselves. They were

[FairfieldLife] RE: Jesuit Trained Pope Trashes Capitalism in Call for Worldwide Socialism

2013-11-30 Thread s3raphita
The Pope said “some people continue to defend trickle-down theories which assume that economic growth, encouraged by a free market, will inevitably succeed in bringing about greater justice and inclusiveness in the world. This opinion, which has never been confirmed by the facts, expresses a

Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Jesuit Trained Pope Trashes Capitalism in Call for Worldwide Socialism

2013-11-30 Thread Bhairitu
We've all seen the wonders of trickle down economics. It's why the rich call us peons. On 11/30/2013 06:00 PM, s3raph...@yahoo.com wrote: The Pope said “some people continue to defend trickle-down theories which assume that economic growth, encouraged by a free market, will inevitably

[FairfieldLife] RE: Jesuit Trained Pope Trashes Capitalism in Call for Worldwide Socialism

2013-11-30 Thread emptybill
We already know about trickle-down socialism and trickle-down salvation - how about trickle-down transcendence? ---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com, noozguru@... wrote: We've all seen the wonders of trickle down economics. It's why the rich call us peons. On 11/30/2013 06:00 PM,

[FairfieldLife] RE: Jesuit Trained Pope Trashes Capitalism in Call for Worldwide Socialism

2013-11-30 Thread s3raphita
We've all seen the wonders of trickle down economics. It's why the rich call us peons. Yes, I'm an eat-the-rich type myself. But what's that got to do with Religion? Salvation? Enlightenment? Religion is more important than economics. It transcends economics. You'd have thought a pope

[FairfieldLife] RE: Jesuit Trained Pope Trashes Capitalism in Call for Worldwide Socialism

2013-11-30 Thread s3raphita
Re And I could cite a busload of Jesus' expressions of concern for the poor and oppressed. Plus one in particular about how hard it is for the rich person to get into Heaven.: I'm with him on the rich! Some things never change. But Jesus was a first-century rabbi so could have no idea of

[FairfieldLife] RE: Jesuit Trained Pope Trashes Capitalism in Call for Worldwide Socialism

2013-11-30 Thread emilymaenot
No...I'm not Catholic. But I don't reject all things Catholic either. I think trickle-down economics is a con best summed up by if you believe that, I've got a bridge in Brooklyn to sell you. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emptybill@... wrote: Who could imagine ... Bhari2 and

[FairfieldLife] RE: Jesuit Trained Pope Trashes Capitalism in Call for Worldwide Socialism

2013-11-30 Thread s3raphita
Re The Pope doesn't need a Ph.D. in economics to make use of that information.: Unfortunately he does! Look, this from Wiki: Singapore has a market-based economy - one of the freest and most business-friendly. According to the Corruption Perceptions Index, Singapore is consistently

[FairfieldLife] RE: Jesuit Trained Pope Trashes Capitalism in Call for Worldwide Socialism

2013-11-30 Thread s3raphita
Re Well, I'm thinking of the U.S., where capitalism is simply out of control.: ditto the UK. ---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote: Well, I'm thinking of the U.S., where capitalism is simply out of control. But I'm not sure what Singapore et al. have to do with the