Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Ritam Bhara Pragya and world peace

2013-10-01 Thread Richard J. Williams
It's all about vibration, called Spanda in Kashmir Tantrism. Kashmere 
Shaivism is a little different from Advaita Vedanta of Shankara: Both 
are non-dual philosophies, but in Kashmere Tantrism there is the 
important factor of Consciousness called 'Chit'. Everything is a 
manifestation of Chit or Universal Consciousness. According to MMY, 
knowledge is structed in pure consciousness.


The Spanda system, introduced by Vasugupta (c. 800 AD), is usually 
described as 'vibration/movement of consciousness.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kashmir_Shaivism

On 9/27/2013 8:13 PM, Share Long wrote:
emptybill, rhythm suggests vibration to me. I can see how a universal 
vibration would impose order. Also, I don't think sanyama in TMSP is 
about contemplation. I think it's a more subtle practice than that.




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Rtam (Ritam) is cognate with the English word rhythm and
contains the meaning of universal order.

Since mrta means death - a-mrta (amrita) means deathless.
You can repeat it all you want, contemplate it in sanyama or whatever
and you will not become immortal.

These words are not forms of each other.


---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote:

Richard, should we not join this thread with the alchemy thread?!



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On 9/26/2013 9:25 PM, emptybill@... mailto:emptybill@... wrote:


Ritam prajna

The phrase 'rtam' is related to the 'amrita' mentioned in chapter
17-19 of Mbh - the 'churning of the milk ocean'. According to MMY
'rtamrita' is produced in the human gut during the practice of TM
- otherwise called Soma in the Rig Veda.

The most popular version of the Indian myth 'Churning the milk
Ocean' is found in the Eighth Canto of the Bhagavata Purana. In
Buddhist mythology, Amrita is the drink of the gods, which grants
them immortality.










Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Ritam Bhara Pragya and world peace

2013-10-01 Thread Share Long
But Richard, if everything is a manifestation of Universal Consciousness, that 
implies duality to me. Maybe by that you mean that everything IS Universal 
Consciousness?





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To: Richard J. Williams FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Tuesday, October 1, 2013 8:25 AM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Ritam Bhara Pragya and world peace
 


  
It's all about vibration, called Spanda in Kashmir Tantrism. Kashmere Shaivism 
is a little different from Advaita Vedanta of Shankara: Both are non-dual 
philosophies, but in Kashmere Tantrism there is the important factor of 
Consciousness called 'Chit'. Everything is a manifestation of Chit or Universal 
Consciousness. According to MMY, knowledge is structed in pure consciousness. 

The Spanda system, introduced by Vasugupta (c. 800 AD), is
  usually described as 'vibration/movement of consciousness.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kashmir_Shaivism

On 9/27/2013 8:13 PM, Share Long wrote:

  
emptybill, rhythm suggests vibration to me. I can see how a universal 
vibration would impose order. Also, I don't think sanyama in TMSP is about 
contemplation. I think it's a more subtle practice than that. 







 From: emptyb...@yahoo.com emptyb...@yahoo.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Friday, September 27, 2013 6:08 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] RE: Ritam Bhara Pragya and world peace
 


  
Rtam (Ritam) is cognate with the English word rhythm and
contains the meaning of universal order.  

Since mrta means death - a-mrta (amrita)
  means deathless. 
You can repeat it all you want, contemplate it in sanyama or whatever
and you will not become immortal. 



These words are not forms of each other. 



---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote:


Richard, should we not join this thread with the alchemy thread?!







 From: Richard J. Williams punditster@...
To: Richard J. Williams FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Friday, September 27, 2013 10:15 AM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Ritam Bhara Pragya and world peace
 


  
On 9/26/2013 9:25 PM, emptybill@... wrote:

Ritam prajna
The phrase 'rtam' is related to the 'amrita' mentioned in chapter 17-19 of Mbh 
- the 'churning of the milk ocean'. According to MMY 'rtamrita' is produced in 
the human gut during the practice of TM - otherwise called Soma in the Rig Veda.

The most popular version
of the Indian myth
'Churning the milk
Ocean' is found in the
Eighth Canto of the
Bhagavata Purana. In
Buddhist mythology,
Amrita is the drink of
the gods, which grants
them immortality. 








[FairfieldLife] RE: Ritam Bhara Pragya and world peace

2013-09-28 Thread emptybill













Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Ritam Bhara Pragya and world peace

2013-09-28 Thread Share Long
emptybill, thank you for this. I've had some experiences of that level and 
somehow it is so full in itself, that all other desires fall away without any 
bother. But I'm glad Maharishi said that we'd fulfill our desires. That tricked 
my big fat ego and rajasic self into letting me get onto a spiritual path in 
the first place.





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Sent: Saturday, September 28, 2013 10:49 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] RE: Ritam Bhara Pragya and world peace
 


  
Rtam is cosmic order. It is not a means to fulfill all your desires. If you 
cognize and adhere to Rtam you will not become the prince/princess of creation 
and thus All shall serve you in awe. Nor will you become a human deva among 
cosmic devas. That possiblity is considered by yogins to be a trap and it is 
addressed by Patanjali, as translated by Georg Feuerstein: 

Upon the invitation  of high-placed [beings], [he should give himself] no cause 
for  attachment or pride, because of [the danger of] renewed and undesired  
inclination [for lower levels of existence]. (3.51)

Rather Patanjali said: 


In this [state of  utmost lucidity], insight is truth-bearing (ritam-bhara). 
(1.48) 

The scope [of this  truth-bearing insight] is distinct from the insight [gained 
from]  tradition and inference, [because of its] particular purposiveness.  
(1.49) 


Comments: The idea  expressed in this aphorism seems to be that the 
truth-bearing  insight (prajnâ) reached at the highest level of conscious  
ecstasy (samprajnâta-samâdhi) is quite different from  ordinary knowledge, 
insofar as it provides the impetus for the  transcendence of all knowledge in 
the state of the supraconscious  ecstasy (asamprajnâta-samâdhi), which alone 
leads  to liberation, or Self-realization. 

The activator (samskâra)  springing from that [truth-bearing insight] obstructs 
the other  activators [residing in the depths of consciousness]. (1.50) 


Upon the restriction  of even this [activator, there ensues], owing to the 
restriction  of all [contents of consciousness], the ecstasy without seed.  
(1.51)


 




---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote:


emptybill, rhythm suggests vibration to me. I can see how a universal vibration 
would impose order. Also, I don't think sanyama in TMSP is about contemplation. 
I think it's a more subtle practice than that. 





 From: emptybill@... emptybill@...
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Friday, September 27, 2013 6:08 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] RE: Ritam Bhara Pragya and world peace
 


  
Rtam (Ritam) is cognate with the English word rhythm and
contains the meaning of universal order.  

Since mrta means death - a-mrta (amrita) means deathless.
You can repeat it all you want, contemplate it in sanyama or whatever
and you will not become immortal. 


These words are not forms of each other. 



---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote:


Richard, should we not join this thread with the alchemy thread?!





 From: Richard J. Williams punditster@...
To: Richard J. Williams FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Friday, September 27, 2013 10:15 AM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Ritam Bhara Pragya and world peace
 


  
On 9/26/2013 9:25 PM, emptybill@... wrote:

Ritam prajna
The phrase 'rtam' is related to the 'amrita' mentioned in chapter 17-19 of Mbh 
- the 'churning of the milk ocean'. According to MMY 'rtamrita' is produced in 
the human gut during the practice of TM - otherwise called Soma in the Rig Veda.

The most popular version of the Indian myth 'Churning the milk
Ocean' is found in the Eighth Canto of the Bhagavata Purana. In
Buddhist mythology, Amrita is the drink of the gods, which grants
them immortality. 





 

[FairfieldLife] RE: Ritam Bhara Pragya and world peace

2013-09-28 Thread emptybill













Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Ritam Bhara Pragya and world peace

2013-09-28 Thread Share Long
emptybill, when I think of a contemplative, I think of someone absorbed in 
adoration of God. I don't think of someone thinking and ruminating about God. 
Plus I think sanyama includes not only darshana but also dhyana and finally 
samadhi. But I would bet that all traditions of any depth have similar 
practices.  





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To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Saturday, September 28, 2013 12:26 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] RE: Ritam Bhara Pragya and world peace
 


  
Also, the TMO description of contemplation is based upon the term's

mis-identification as thinking and rumination which was current
in the 19th-20th century ... i.e. MMY's British era education. 

None of that is concordant with the classical description of theoria as used by 
Neo-Platonists nor with the Christian schema following after Evagrius. 


Several scholars have also demonstrated the similarities between the Greek idea 
of theoria and the Indian idea of darśana (darshan), including Ian 
Rutherford,[12] Binod Kumar Agarwala, Gregory Grieve, and Michael A. Di Giovane.


---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote:


emptybill, rhythm suggests vibration to me. I can see how a universal vibration 
would impose order. Also, I don't think sanyama in TMSP is about contemplation. 
I think it's a more subtle practice than that. 





 From: emptybill@... emptybill@...
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Friday, September 27, 2013 6:08 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] RE: Ritam Bhara Pragya and world peace
 


  
Rtam (Ritam) is cognate with the English word rhythm and
contains the meaning of universal order.  

Since mrta means death - a-mrta (amrita) means deathless.
You can repeat it all you want, contemplate it in sanyama or whatever
and you will not become immortal. 


These words are not forms of each other. 



---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote:


Richard, should we not join this thread with the alchemy thread?!





 From: Richard J. Williams punditster@...
To: Richard J. Williams FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Friday, September 27, 2013 10:15 AM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Ritam Bhara Pragya and world peace
 


  
On 9/26/2013 9:25 PM, emptybill@... wrote:

Ritam prajna
The phrase 'rtam' is related to the 'amrita' mentioned in chapter 17-19 of Mbh 
- the 'churning of the milk ocean'. According to MMY 'rtamrita' is produced in 
the human gut during the practice of TM - otherwise called Soma in the Rig Veda.

The most popular version of the Indian myth 'Churning the milk
Ocean' is found in the Eighth Canto of the Bhagavata Purana. In
Buddhist mythology, Amrita is the drink of the gods, which grants
them immortality. 





 

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2013-09-28 Thread authfriend













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2013-09-28 Thread Share Long
Good catch, thanks Judy.





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Sent: Saturday, September 28, 2013 3:03 PM
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Share wrote: 

emptybill, when I think of a contemplative, I think of someone absorbed in 
adoration of God. I don't think of someone thinking and ruminating about God. 
Plus I think sanyama includes not only darshana

Dharana, actually, not darshana. Two different things.

 but also dhyana and finally samadhi. But I would bet that all traditions of 
any depth have similar practices.  






 From: emptybill@... emptybill@...
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Saturday, September 28, 2013 12:26 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] RE: Ritam Bhara Pragya and world peace
 


  
Also, the TMO description of contemplation is based upon the term's

mis-identification as thinking and rumination which was current
in the 19th-20th century ... i.e. MMY's British era education. 

None of that is concordant with the classical description of theoria as used by 
Neo-Platonists nor with the Christian schema following after Evagrius. 


Several scholars have also demonstrated the similarities between the Greek idea 
of theoria and the Indian idea of darśana (darshan), including Ian 
Rutherford,[12] Binod Kumar Agarwala, Gregory Grieve, and Michael A. Di Giovane.


 

[FairfieldLife] RE: Ritam Bhara Pragya and world peace

2013-09-27 Thread emptybill













Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Ritam Bhara Pragya and world peace

2013-09-27 Thread Richard J. Williams
7. amRtamanthana n. ` the churning for the Amrita 'N. of the chapters 
17-19 of MBh. i.


Cologne Digital Sanskrit Lexicon: Search Results:
http://www.sanskrit-lexicon 
http://www.sanskrit-lexicon.uni-koeln.de/cgi-bin/tamil/recherche


On 9/27/2013 6:08 PM, emptyb...@yahoo.com wrote:


Rtam (Ritam) is cognate with the English word rhythm and

contains the meaning of universal order.


Since mrta means death - a-mrta (amrita) means deathless.

You can repeat it all you want, contemplate it in sanyama or whatever

and you will not become immortal.


These words are not forms of each other.



---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote:

Richard, should we not join this thread with the alchemy thread?!



*From:* Richard J. Williams punditster@...
*To:* Richard J. Williams FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
*Sent:* Friday, September 27, 2013 10:15 AM
*Subject:* Re: [FairfieldLife] Ritam Bhara Pragya and world peace

On 9/26/2013 9:25 PM, emptybill@... mailto:emptybill@... wrote:


Ritam prajna

The phrase 'rtam' is related to the 'amrita' mentioned in chapter
17-19 of Mbh - the 'churning of the milk ocean'. According to MMY
'rtamrita' is produced in the human gut during the practice of TM
- otherwise called Soma in the Rig Veda.

The most popular version of the Indian myth 'Churning the milk
Ocean' is found in the Eighth Canto of the Bhagavata Purana. In
Buddhist mythology, Amrita is the drink of the gods, which grants
them immortality.








Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Ritam Bhara Pragya and world peace

2013-09-27 Thread Share Long
emptybill, rhythm suggests vibration to me. I can see how a universal vibration 
would impose order. Also, I don't think sanyama in TMSP is about contemplation. 
I think it's a more subtle practice than that. 





 From: emptyb...@yahoo.com emptyb...@yahoo.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Friday, September 27, 2013 6:08 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] RE: Ritam Bhara Pragya and world peace
 


  
Rtam (Ritam) is cognate with the English word rhythm and
contains the meaning of universal order.  

Since mrta means death - a-mrta (amrita) means deathless.
You can repeat it all you want, contemplate it in sanyama or whatever
and you will not become immortal. 


These words are not forms of each other. 



---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote:


Richard, should we not join this thread with the alchemy thread?!





 From: Richard J. Williams punditster@...
To: Richard J. Williams FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Friday, September 27, 2013 10:15 AM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Ritam Bhara Pragya and world peace
 


  
On 9/26/2013 9:25 PM, emptybill@... wrote:

Ritam prajna
The phrase 'rtam' is related to the 'amrita' mentioned in chapter 17-19 of Mbh 
- the 'churning of the milk ocean'. According to MMY 'rtamrita' is produced in 
the human gut during the practice of TM - otherwise called Soma in the Rig Veda.

The most popular version of the Indian myth 'Churning the milk
Ocean' is found in the Eighth Canto of the Bhagavata Purana. In
Buddhist mythology, Amrita is the drink of the gods, which grants
them immortality. 



 

[FairfieldLife] RE: Ritam Bhara Pragya and world peace

2013-09-26 Thread dhamiltony2k5