[FairfieldLife] RE: Universe Full of Life
Um, John, this isn't a speculation, it's well-documented fact. Did you miswrite? There's current speculation that life might have evolved before humans existed on earth.
[FairfieldLife] RE: Universe Full of Life
I've been speculating such things since before I could walk John. There may have been/are/will be other humanoids but not humans. There are so many ways that life can evolve the chances of two identical things appearing are vanishingly small. But there could be similarities, we can expect eyes where an animal has evolved near a light source. Having senses near some sort of central processing unit for more rapid coordination makes sense. Limbs seem very likely. But there will be as many different ways for aliens to make use of these given's as there has been for life on earth. And even if you get a humanoid body plan why would it walk upright? Only one animal on earth in over a billion years of sophisticated life has chosen this path. And all this assumes that a cell like the one in my post yesterday gets itself together and provides what life needs to become so varied and complex. Or maybe there are a billion different ways of doing it. But forget all this holographic universe stuff, it doesn't apply here and is wildly speculative and solves nothing cosmologically anyway. It doesn't mean we might have duplicates elsewhere. But what of the vedic idea that the human body plan is a mirror of some ultimate creation, the ved itself? I'll just get off the floor and stitch my sides up. You can tell I'm not a creationist ;-) ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jr_esq@... wrote: There's current speculation that life might have evolved before humans existed on earth. IMO, it's also possible that humanoids existed throughout the universe before humans on earth evolved. This may be due to the phenomenon called the holographic principle of the universe. IOW, we are just a small reflection that is a common phenomenon throughout the universe. http://news.yahoo.com/video/universe-full-life-090614348.html http://news.yahoo.com/video/universe-full-life-090614348.html Or, it could be that the quantum wave function that created the Big Bang already had the information necessary to create humans throughout the universe when the right conditions are met in planets of suns in any galaxy. If so, how many of those humanoid civilizations have evolved into the the highest state of consciousness or dimension?
[FairfieldLife] RE: Universe Full of Life
Bhairitu, That's the reason Galileo was put on house arrest for the rest of his life when he saw that the Earth revolved around the Sun. For the same reason, Giordano Bruno got burned to the stake for speculating that there could be other humans outside of Earth. He might have also challenged the Church teachings with his knowledge of astrology or syncretism. But it's still true that nobody has ever proved scientifically the existence of humanoids outside of Earth. Where are the aliens who ride these UFOs? How come the SETI program can't detect any evidence of intelligent communication out there?
[FairfieldLife] RE: Universe Full of Life
Judy, For me anything that's not scientifically proved is speculation. However, being well-documented doesn't mean that it's scientifically proved.
[FairfieldLife] RE: Universe Full of Life
I'm sorry, you're talking about life existing on earth before human beings?? E.g., bacteria, plants, animals, etc.? That isn't a matter of solid fact, as far as you're concerned? Are you a creationist? Even the Bible describes life existing before Adam and Eve. Judy, For me anything that's not scientifically proved is speculation. However, being well-documented doesn't mean that it's scientifically proved.
Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Universe Full of Life
As Spock would say, it's perfectly logical. ;-) On 02/09/2014 11:50 AM, jr_...@yahoo.com wrote: Bhairitu, That's the reason Galileo was put on house arrest for the rest of his life when he saw that the Earth revolved around the Sun. For the same reason, Giordano Bruno got burned to the stake for speculating that there could be other humans outside of Earth. He might have also challenged the Church teachings with his knowledge of astrology or syncretism. But it's still true that nobody has ever proved scientifically the existence of humanoids outside of Earth. Where are the aliens who ride these UFOs? How come the SETI program can't detect any evidence of intelligent communication out there?
Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Universe Full of Life
Not to mention as I have discussed with some of my scientist friends that life may not necessarily NEED to carbon based either. We may have all kinds of company on this planet that we can't see. AND is person we see actually real (as in terms of being a human like us)? On 02/09/2014 11:06 AM, salyavin808 wrote: I've been speculating such things since before I could walk John. There may have been/are/will be other humanoids but not humans. There are so many ways that life can evolve the chances of two identical things appearing are vanishingly small. But there could be similarities, we can expect eyes where an animal has evolved near a light source. Having senses near some sort of central processing unit for more rapid coordination makes sense. Limbs seem very likely. But there will be as many different ways for aliens to make use of these given's as there has been for life on earth. And even if you get a humanoid body plan why would it walk upright? Only one animal on earth in over a billion years of sophisticated life has chosen this path. And all this assumes that a cell like the one in my post yesterday gets itself together and provides what life needs to become so varied and complex. Or maybe there are a billion different ways of doing it. But forget all this holographic universe stuff, it doesn't apply here and is wildly speculative and solves nothing cosmologically anyway. It doesn't mean we might have duplicates elsewhere. But what of the vedic idea that the human body plan is a mirror of some ultimate creation, the ved itself? I'll just get off the floor and stitch my sides up. You can tell I'm not a creationist ;-) ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jr_esq@... wrote: There's current speculation that life might have evolved before humans existed on earth. IMO, it's also possible that humanoids existed throughout the universe before humans on earth evolved. This may be due to the phenomenon called the holographic principle of the universe. IOW, we are just a small reflection that is a common phenomenon throughout the universe. http://news.yahoo.com/video/universe-full-life-090614348.html Or, it could be that the quantum wave function that created the Big Bang already had the information necessary to create humans throughout the universe when the right conditions are met in planets of suns in any galaxy. If so, how many of those humanoid civilizations have evolved into the the highest state of consciousness or dimension?
Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Universe Full of Life
It's funny how entrenched the carbon only thing is. From my limited knowledge I think it's a done deal that life will be made from carbon stuff. Then I read this: http://www.amazon.co.uk/What-Does-Martian-Look-Like/dp/0091886163/ref=sr_1_12?s=booksie=UTF8qid=1391976959sr=1-12keywords=jack+cohen http://www.amazon.co.uk/What-Does-Martian-Look-Like/dp/0091886163/ref=sr_1_12?s=booksamp;ie=UTF8amp;qid=1391976959amp;sr=1-12amp;keywords=jack+cohen It was called something else when I read it but it's the same book and it really goes into the possibilities of life elsewhere from a biologists and chemists viewpoint. They also wrote a novel together called wheelers about life in the freezing, radioactive dust clouds of Jupiter, proper hard sci-fi too. One of the characters floats to the top of the clouds and looks out at the solar system and shudders when it looks at our planet Poison Blue, what could possibly live in all that heat with all that corrosive oxygen in the atmosphere? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, noozguru@... wrote: Not to mention as I have discussed with some of my scientist friends that life may not necessarily NEED to carbon based either. We may have all kinds of company on this planet that we can't see. AND is person we see actually real (as in terms of being a human like us)? On 02/09/2014 11:06 AM, salyavin808 wrote: I've been speculating such things since before I could walk John. There may have been/are/will be other humanoids but not humans. There are so many ways that life can evolve the chances of two identical things appearing are vanishingly small. But there could be similarities, we can expect eyes where an animal has evolved near a light source. Having senses near some sort of central processing unit for more rapid coordination makes sense. Limbs seem very likely. But there will be as many different ways for aliens to make use of these given's as there has been for life on earth. And even if you get a humanoid body plan why would it walk upright? Only one animal on earth in over a billion years of sophisticated life has chosen this path. And all this assumes that a cell like the one in my post yesterday gets itself together and provides what life needs to become so varied and complex. Or maybe there are a billion different ways of doing it. But forget all this holographic universe stuff, it doesn't apply here and is wildly speculative and solves nothing cosmologically anyway. It doesn't mean we might have duplicates elsewhere. But what of the vedic idea that the human body plan is a mirror of some ultimate creation, the ved itself? I'll just get off the floor and stitch my sides up. You can tell I'm not a creationist ;-) ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jr_esq@... mailto:jr_esq@... wrote: There's current speculation that life might have evolved before humans existed on earth. IMO, it's also possible that humanoids existed throughout the universe before humans on earth evolved. This may be due to the phenomenon called the holographic principle of the universe. IOW, we are just a small reflection that is a common phenomenon throughout the universe. http://news.yahoo.com/video/universe-full-life-090614348.html http://news.yahoo.com/video/universe-full-life-090614348.html Or, it could be that the quantum wave function that created the Big Bang already had the information necessary to create humans throughout the universe when the right conditions are met in planets of suns in any galaxy. If so, how many of those humanoid civilizations have evolved into the the highest state of consciousness or dimension?
[FairfieldLife] RE: Universe Full of Life
Salyavin, The Srimad Bhagavatam tells of the Prajapatis, the cosmic executives, who fathered human beings throughout the universe. And, an ancient rishi by the name of Narada was able to fly or teleport himself to other regions of the universe to propagate his gospel of Vishnu. Apparently, he had been cursed by someone here on earth to be continually traveling because he would lead groups of young men and would take them away from their families to become brahmacharis. Also, the concept of a holographic universe is currently being developed by Leonard Susskind from Stanford University. Here's a video clip: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2DIl3Hfh9tY http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2DIl3Hfh9tY Further, IMO the idea of evolution may not be a product of random events. There may be a mechanism in the DNA of one celled organisms which trigger it to evolve into higher forms of organisms. Similarly, there might have been such episode in the animal line of DNA which got triggered to evolve into the homo sapiens today.
[FairfieldLife] RE: Universe Full of Life
Comments below ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jr_esq@... wrote: Salyavin, The Srimad Bhagavatam tells of the Prajapatis, the cosmic executives, who fathered human beings throughout the universe. And, an ancient rishi by the name of Narada was able to fly or teleport himself to other regions of the universe to propagate his gospel of Vishnu. Apparently, he had been cursed by someone here on earth to be continually traveling because he would lead groups of young men and would take them away from their families to become brahmacharis. Is that it? Some Indian guy says it and you believe it? Dude, you've gotta be more discriminating with your reading. You've got to be able to tell myths and stories from reasonable, verified and even likely ideas, or at least theories with some sort of practical possibility. Also, the concept of a holographic universe is currently being developed by Leonard Susskind from Stanford University. Here's a video clip: He may well be but that doesn't mean that we are projected to different parts of the universe, it's about the universe itself being a kind of extension from elsewhere, it doesn't change the facts of evolution. And it sounds like an unnecessary add=on to me. What hitherto unsolved parts of cosmology does it flesh out? Or is it yet another theoretical aint quantum shit weird thing? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2DIl3Hfh9tY http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2DIl3Hfh9tY Further, IMO the idea of evolution may not be a product of random events. There may be a mechanism in the DNA of one celled organisms which trigger it to evolve into higher forms of organisms. Similarly, there might have been such episode in the animal line of DNA which got triggered to evolve into the homo sapiens today. Probably is, but if it's a mechanism to increase complexity what makes anyone think it didn't evolve itself? Anything that confers an advantage, and more complexity is one, would be selected for very early on and wipe out the ones that didn't have it.
[FairfieldLife] RE: Universe Full of Life
Judy, We're talking about the speculation of life outside of Earth. We're not talking about life here on this planet. And, NO I'm not a creationist. Whatever gave you that idea?
[FairfieldLife] RE: Universe Full of Life
Ohh! Whew. I'm glad to hear that. You said, There's current speculation that life might have evolved before humans existed on earth, so I thought you meant speculation that life might have evolved on earth before humans existed. Which made no sense to me whatsoever, since that's obviously not speculation. Thanks for cluing me in, finally! Judy, We're talking about the speculation of life outside of Earth. We're not talking about life here on this planet. And, NO I'm not a creationist. Whatever gave you that idea?
