[FairfieldLife] RE: VERY interesting take on the vedas by an Indian writer
He said again and again that his mission was to bring the teaching of Guru Dev to the whole world. And that's what he did. A unique example of how a student can fulfill the wishes of his Master and help push a planet into a new direction in doing so.
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and exactly what does that mean given the fact that the caste system was a bullshit deal set up by the brahmins to ensure their continued domination in their society? On Wed, 2/12/14, jr_...@yahoo.com jr_...@yahoo.com wrote: Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: VERY interesting take on the vedas by an Indian writer To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, February 12, 2014, 5:44 AM Lawson, Compared to the general American public, TMers can be considered as brahmins, or twice born, since all of us have gone through the initiation to the meditation tradition of Gurudev. But there are those TMers who have relinquished this title by words and actions. Also, by reason, those who have earned to become a brahmin should be considered as such. But not all persons born to the brahmin caste are qualified to be considered as one if they don't act accordingly. IMO, that's where the present caste system in India has failed to recognize.. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, LEnglish5@... wrote: Maharishi's take on these things was often exactly what he heard from Gurudev. I've read comments from famous gurus/spiritual leaders in India who knew Gurudev and then heard Maharishi speak, and they basiclly said he did a good job of channeling his guru. And really, that is all he ever claimed he was doing for most of the history of the TM organization. He made it clear where he changed things: he chose to use householder mantras, and he simplified things as much as he possibly could with respect to teaching TM, and may have simplified the practice itself. But he never explained in detail the changes or what Gurudev taught him exactly. But, my friend Anoop Chandola had a chance to meet the successor to Gurudev named in the will, and asked the question: What about this Maharishi who is with the Beatles? Is he legitimate? The answer was: Let me put it this way: he would be my first as my successor, but they won't allow it due to the caste laws. So... whatever Maharishi said about such things, it was probably similar to what Gurudev said. L
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On 2/11/2014 9:10 PM, lengli...@cox.net wrote: Maharishi's take on these things was often exactly what he heard from Gurudev. This should be pretty easy to verify. L.B. Shriver didn't get many replies to his thread about his book, Rocks Are Melting the everyday teachings of SBS except for Buck in the Dome. Go figure. You've got to realize, Lawson, that there are only about three or four TMers seriously posting to this list. Most of the informants aren't interested in what MMY or SBS said or taught. Go figure. Apparently in the late 1990's, L.B. Shriver traveled to India as a journalist-seeker to find answers to questions he had about Swami Brahmananda Saraswati... 'The Sweet Teachings of the Blessed Sankaracarya Swami Brahmananda Saraswati' by L.B. Shriver; translation by Cynthia Ann Humes http://www.lulu.com/shop/search.ep?contributorId=1244510
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The levels of the caste system seem to play out in nature BUT people are not locked into any particular caste. It has more to do with dharma. I've heard Indians lecture that anyone who pursues intellectual achievement is a brahmin. On 02/12/2014 04:48 AM, Michael Jackson wrote: and exactly what does that mean given the fact that the caste system was a bullshit deal set up by the brahmins to ensure their continued domination in their society? On Wed, 2/12/14, jr_...@yahoo.com jr_...@yahoo.com wrote: Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: VERY interesting take on the vedas by an Indian writer To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, February 12, 2014, 5:44 AM Lawson, Compared to the general American public, TMers can be considered as brahmins, or twice born, since all of us have gone through the initiation to the meditation tradition of Gurudev. But there are those TMers who have relinquished this title by words and actions. Also, by reason, those who have earned to become a brahmin should be considered as such. But not all persons born to the brahmin caste are qualified to be considered as one if they don't act accordingly. IMO, that's where the present caste system in India has failed to recognize.. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, LEnglish5@... wrote: Maharishi's take on these things was often exactly what he heard from Gurudev. I've read comments from famous gurus/spiritual leaders in India who knew Gurudev and then heard Maharishi speak, and they basiclly said he did a good job of channeling his guru. And really, that is all he ever claimed he was doing for most of the history of the TM organization. He made it clear where he changed things: he chose to use householder mantras, and he simplified things as much as he possibly could with respect to teaching TM, and may have simplified the practice itself. But he never explained in detail the changes or what Gurudev taught him exactly. But, my friend Anoop Chandola had a chance to meet the successor to Gurudev named in the will, and asked the question: What about this Maharishi who is with the Beatles? Is he legitimate? The answer was: Let me put it this way: he would be my first as my successor, but they won't allow it due to the caste laws. So... whatever Maharishi said about such things, it was probably similar to what Gurudev said. L
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noozguru, I guess that means that everyone in the FFLounge is a brahmin (-: On Wednesday, February 12, 2014 1:00 PM, Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net wrote: The levels of the caste system seem to play out in nature BUT people are not locked into any particular caste. It has more to do with dharma. I've heard Indians lecture that anyone who pursues intellectual achievement is a brahmin. On 02/12/2014 04:48 AM, Michael Jackson wrote: and exactly what does that mean given the fact that the caste system was a bullshit deal set up by the brahmins to ensure their continued domination in their society? On Wed, 2/12/14, jr_...@yahoo.com jr_...@yahoo.com wrote: Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: VERY interesting take on the vedas by an Indian writer To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, February 12, 2014, 5:44 AM Lawson, Compared to the general American public, TMers can be considered as brahmins, or twice born, since all of us have gone through the initiation to the meditation tradition of Gurudev. But there are those TMers who have relinquished this title by words and actions. Also, by reason, those who have earned to become a brahmin should be considered as such. But not all persons born to the brahmin caste are qualified to be considered as one if they don't act accordingly. IMO, that's where the present caste system in India has failed to recognize.. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, LEnglish5@... wrote: Maharishi's take on these things was often exactly what he heard from Gurudev. I've read comments from famous gurus/spiritual leaders in India who knew Gurudev and then heard Maharishi speak, and they basiclly said he did a good job of channeling his guru. And really, that is all he ever claimed he was doing for most of the history of the TM organization. He made it clear where he changed things: he chose to use householder mantras, and he simplified things as much as he possibly could with respect to teaching TM, and may have simplified the practice itself. But he never explained in detail the changes or what Gurudev taught him exactly. But, my friend Anoop Chandola had a chance to meet the successor to Gurudev named in the will, and asked the question: What about this Maharishi who is with the Beatles? Is he legitimate? The answer was: Let me put it this way: he would be my first as my successor, but they won't allow it due to the caste laws. So... whatever Maharishi said about such things, it was probably similar to what Gurudev said. L
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Bhairitu, Technically, what you're saying is correct. Intellectuals could be considered as brahmins.
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Except for the ones who behave like sudras. ;-) On 02/12/2014 11:20 AM, Share Long wrote: noozguru, I guess that means that everyone in the FFLounge is a brahmin (-: On Wednesday, February 12, 2014 1:00 PM, Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net wrote: The levels of the caste system seem to play out in nature BUT people are not locked into any particular caste. It has more to do with dharma. I've heard Indians lecture that anyone who pursues intellectual achievement is a brahmin. On 02/12/2014 04:48 AM, Michael Jackson wrote: and exactly what does that mean given the fact that the caste system was a bullshit deal set up by the brahmins to ensure their continued domination in their society? On Wed, 2/12/14, jr_...@yahoo.com mailto:jr_...@yahoo.com jr_...@yahoo.com mailto:jr_...@yahoo.com wrote: Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: VERY interesting take on the vedas by an Indian writer To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, February 12, 2014, 5:44 AM Lawson, Compared to the general American public, TMers can be considered as brahmins, or twice born, since all of us have gone through the initiation to the meditation tradition of Gurudev. But there are those TMers who have relinquished this title by words and actions. Also, by reason, those who have earned to become a brahmin should be considered as such. But not all persons born to the brahmin caste are qualified to be considered as one if they don't act accordingly. IMO, that's where the present caste system in India has failed to recognize.. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, LEnglish5@... mailto:LEnglish5@... wrote: Maharishi's take on these things was often exactly what he heard from Gurudev. I've read comments from famous gurus/spiritual leaders in India who knew Gurudev and then heard Maharishi speak, and they basiclly said he did a good job of channeling his guru. And really, that is all he ever claimed he was doing for most of the history of the TM organization. He made it clear where he changed things: he chose to use householder mantras, and he simplified things as much as he possibly could with respect to teaching TM, and may have simplified the practice itself. But he never explained in detail the changes or what Gurudev taught him exactly. But, my friend Anoop Chandola had a chance to meet the successor to Gurudev named in the will, and asked the question: What about this Maharishi who is with the Beatles? Is he legitimate? The answer was: Let me put it this way: he would be my first as my successor, but they won't allow it due to the caste laws. So... whatever Maharishi said about such things, it was probably similar to what Gurudev said. L
[FairfieldLife] RE: VERY interesting take on the vedas by an Indian writer
MJ, The caste system was originally created to divide the work in society based on the person's inherent and natural gifts for certain skills. Brahmins are supposed to perform the priestly duties for society. They can come from any family in society as long as they are intellectually and temperamentally suited to perform the duties. It was not meant to create permanent jobs for certain families or tribes in society, which is the way the caste system is practiced today in India.
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definitely a few kshatriyas (-: On Wednesday, February 12, 2014 1:33 PM, Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net wrote: Except for the ones who behave like sudras. ;-) On 02/12/2014 11:20 AM, Share Long wrote: noozguru, I guess that means that everyone in the FFLounge is a brahmin (-: On Wednesday, February 12, 2014 1:00 PM, Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net wrote: The levels of the caste system seem to play out in nature BUT people are not locked into any particular caste. It has more to do with dharma. I've heard Indians lecture that anyone who pursues intellectual achievement is a brahmin. On 02/12/2014 04:48 AM, Michael Jackson wrote: and exactly what does that mean given the fact that the caste system was a bullshit deal set up by the brahmins to ensure their continued domination in their society? On Wed, 2/12/14, jr_...@yahoo.com jr_...@yahoo.com wrote: Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: VERY interesting take on the vedas by an Indian writer To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, February 12, 2014, 5:44 AM Lawson, Compared to the general American public, TMers can be considered as brahmins, or twice born, since all of us have gone through the initiation to the meditation tradition of Gurudev. But there are those TMers who have relinquished this title by words and actions. Also, by reason, those who have earned to become a brahmin should be considered as such. But not all persons born to the brahmin caste are qualified to be considered as one if they don't act accordingly. IMO, that's where the present caste system in India has failed to recognize.. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, LEnglish5@... wrote: Maharishi's take on these things was often exactly what he heard from Gurudev. I've read comments from famous gurus/spiritual leaders in India who knew Gurudev and then heard Maharishi speak, and they basiclly said he did a good job of channeling his guru. And really, that is all he ever claimed he was doing for most of the history of the TM organization. He made it clear where he changed things: he chose to use householder mantras, and he simplified things as much as he possibly could with respect to teaching TM, and may have simplified the practice itself. But he never explained in detail the changes or what Gurudev taught him exactly. But, my friend Anoop Chandola had a chance to meet the successor to Gurudev named in the will, and asked the question: What about this Maharishi who is with the Beatles? Is he legitimate? The answer was: Let me put it this way: he would be my first as my successor, but they won't allow it due to the caste laws. So... whatever Maharishi said about such things, it was probably similar to what Gurudev said. L
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so I amend my remarks to say that it got derailed AFTER the brahmins shanghaied it for their pleasure - the Laws of Manu were a watershed for that I believe. On Wed, 2/12/14, jr_...@yahoo.com jr_...@yahoo.com wrote: Subject: [FairfieldLife] RE: VERY interesting take on the vedas by an Indian writer To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, February 12, 2014, 7:43 PM MJ, The caste system was originally created to divide the work in society based on the person's inherent and natural gifts for certain skills. Brahmins are supposed to perform the priestly duties for society. They can come from any family in society as long as they are intellectually and temperamentally suited to perform the duties. It was not meant to create permanent jobs for certain families or tribes in society, which is the way the caste system is practiced today in India.
[FairfieldLife] Re: VERY interesting take on the vedas by an Indian writer
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson wrote: http://neoindian.org/2011/06/16/why-you-should-read-the-vedas-and-why-th\ e-religious-will-never-understand-them/ http://neoindian.org/2011/06/16/why-you-should-read-the-vedas-and-why-t\ he-religious-will-never-understand-them/ Interesting and insightful article. I particularly liked: The most striking feature of the Vedas is that the Vedas are not the word of god; the Vedas mostly consist of hymns addressed to the gods. This might seem like a mere literary detail, but it is refreshing to read a religious book where, for a change, mankind is the author and not the target audience.
[FairfieldLife] RE: VERY interesting take on the vedas by an Indian writer
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote: http://neoindian.org/2011/06/16/why-you-should-read-the-vedas-and-why-the-religious-will-never-understand-them/ http://neoindian.org/2011/06/16/why-you-should-read-the-vedas-and-why-the-religious-will-never-understand-them/ That was fun, got any more good stuff? Keep it coming, we need some lightness around here.
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He's got some funny stuff on his blog - this is one of them On Tuesday, February 11, 2014 12:03 PM, awoelfleba...@yahoo.com awoelfleba...@yahoo.com wrote: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote: http://neoindian.org/2011/06/16/why-you-should-read-the-vedas-and-why-the-religious-will-never-understand-them/ That was fun, got any more good stuff? Keep it coming, we need some lightness around here. http://neoindian.org/2009/03/06/6-surprising-benefits-of-moving-to-india/
[FairfieldLife] RE: VERY interesting take on the vedas by an Indian writer
Hey Michael (or anyone else) I skimmed the article, but are you familiar with Maharishi's commentary about the first word of Rig Veda, Agni? And if so, do you think it's just a bunch of BS. This is not a trick question. I'm not saying that it was a stroke of genius. I'm not making any judgments about it. I'm just kind of curious what your take might be on it, if youre familiar with it, that is.
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I have no idea - I just like this guy's writing about being Indian and that's about it. I have major doubts about M's knowledge - I am getting info recently that he was a master at getting info out of a variety of people and passing it off as his own. As to the esoteric nature of what is discussed about the Vedas, I have no idea - all above my head. On Wed, 2/12/14, steve.sun...@yahoo.com steve.sun...@yahoo.com wrote: Subject: [FairfieldLife] RE: VERY interesting take on the vedas by an Indian writer To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, February 12, 2014, 2:08 AM Hey Michael (or anyone else) I skimmed the article, but are you familiar with Maharishi's commentary about the first word of Rig Veda, Agni? And if so, do you think it's just a bunch of BS. This is not a trick question. I'm not saying that it was a stroke of genius. I'm not making any judgments about it. I'm just kind of curious what your take might be on it, if youre familiar with it, that is.
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I understand. I might suggest that there was a side of him that you missed. Whether it would have changed your outlook on him, I don't know. In general, I think that part of what he had to offer (namely some of the knowledge stuff) has pretty much been obscured. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote: I have no idea - I just like this guy's writing about being Indian and that's about it. I have major doubts about M's knowledge - I am getting info recently that he was a master at getting info out of a variety of people and passing it off as his own. As to the esoteric nature of what is discussed about the Vedas, I have no idea - all above my head. On Wed, 2/12/14, steve.sundur@... mailto:steve.sundur@... steve.sundur@... mailto:steve.sundur@... wrote: Subject: [FairfieldLife] RE: VERY interesting take on the vedas by an Indian writer To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, February 12, 2014, 2:08 AM Hey Michael (or anyone else) I skimmed the article, but are you familiar with Maharishi's commentary about the first word of Rig Veda, Agni? And if so, do you think it's just a bunch of BS. This is not a trick question. I'm not saying that it was a stroke of genius. I'm not making any judgments about it. I'm just kind of curious what your take might be on it, if youre familiar with it, that is.
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Maharishi's take on these things was often exactly what he heard from Gurudev. I've read comments from famous gurus/spiritual leaders in India who knew Gurudev and then heard Maharishi speak, and they basiclly said he did a good job of channeling his guru. And really, that is all he ever claimed he was doing for most of the history of the TM organization. He made it clear where he changed things: he chose to use householder mantras, and he simplified things as much as he possibly could with respect to teaching TM, and may have simplified the practice itself. But he never explained in detail the changes or what Gurudev taught him exactly. But, my friend Anoop Chandola had a chance to meet the successor to Gurudev named in the will, and asked the question: What about this Maharishi who is with the Beatles? Is he legitimate? The answer was: Let me put it this way: he would be my first as my successor, but they won't allow it due to the caste laws. So... whatever Maharishi said about such things, it was probably similar to what Gurudev said. L
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Lawson, Compared to the general American public, TMers can be considered as brahmins, or twice born, since all of us have gone through the initiation to the meditation tradition of Gurudev. But there are those TMers who have relinquished this title by words and actions. Also, by reason, those who have earned to become a brahmin should be considered as such. But not all persons born to the brahmin caste are qualified to be considered as one if they don't act accordingly. IMO, that's where the present caste system in India has failed to recognize.. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, LEnglish5@... wrote: Maharishi's take on these things was often exactly what he heard from Gurudev. I've read comments from famous gurus/spiritual leaders in India who knew Gurudev and then heard Maharishi speak, and they basiclly said he did a good job of channeling his guru. And really, that is all he ever claimed he was doing for most of the history of the TM organization. He made it clear where he changed things: he chose to use householder mantras, and he simplified things as much as he possibly could with respect to teaching TM, and may have simplified the practice itself. But he never explained in detail the changes or what Gurudev taught him exactly. But, my friend Anoop Chandola had a chance to meet the successor to Gurudev named in the will, and asked the question: What about this Maharishi who is with the Beatles? Is he legitimate? The answer was: Let me put it this way: he would be my first as my successor, but they won't allow it due to the caste laws. So... whatever Maharishi said about such things, it was probably similar to what Gurudev said. L