[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Free Saddam Hussein'
--- In a message dated 6/25/06 8:56:54 A.M. Central Daylight Time, jstein@ writes: Of course, he *did* let the inspectors in. Bush pulled them out even though--or actually, because-- they weren't finding any WMD, making nonsense of his excuse for the invasion. Bush has said several times publicly that Saddam wouldn't let in the inspectors, which is manifestly untrue. Has he been lying blatantly about something that's clearly on the public record, or is he just so unaware of what went on that he really *believes* what he says? Judy as I recall, Saddam would let in the inspectors from time to time but every time he did, he threw every obstacle he could in the way of the inspectors while doing their jobs, making it difficult if not impossible to do. Blix and others often complained of having to wait outside of a building they wanted to inspect for hours and hours while Saddam's people moved things out of another side of the building. Also numerous road blocks and accidents were staged to prevent the inspectors from getting to their announced destination in timely matter. Saddam was letting in inspectors, but there was no cooperation once they began their jobs. He didn't make it easy for them, but they *were* getting the job done nevertheless. And Saddam was not the only party getting in their way--the Bush administration did everything it could to sabotage the inspectors and denigrate their work. They were in Iraq, doing their job, right up until Bush pulled them out so he could invade. They were *furious*. For Bush to say Saddam wouldn't let them in is simply a lie. I just don't get how they let Saddam, who was our ally, against the Iranians, to become our enemy; the only reason I can see, is to construct a military base there, and to take over the oil reserves. The other personal issue, as I have said before, had to do with threaten the first President Bush; and the son, had to avenge that... Besides that, this whole invasion of Iraq has made us considerble weaker in terms of our military spread thin, our image in the world: as invaders, and creators of chaos, and hypocrisy; the seperation of our society into north and south using blasphamis fundementalist issues to stir the ignorant, and rasist animal lower animal instinctional level. Manipulating the domestic population, to feel that it is Un-American, to work for peace; but instead support the wasteful war machine, that is the Bush Administration. Ask yourself this question? What in the hell did Saddam do to us? Why is Mr. bin Laden still free to do his thing. Who's in cohoots with who? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Check out the new improvements in Yahoo! Groups email. http://us.click.yahoo.com/6pRQfA/fOaOAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 'Free Saddam Hussein'
--- Robert Gimbel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In a message dated 6/25/06 8:56:54 A.M. Central Daylight Time, jstein@ writes: Of course, he *did* let the inspectors in. Bush pulled them out even though--or actually, because-- they weren't finding any WMD, making nonsense of his excuse for the invasion. Bush has said several times publicly that Saddam wouldn't let in the inspectors, which is manifestly untrue. Has he been lying blatantly about something that's clearly on the public record, or is he just so unaware of what went on that he really *believes* what he says? Judy as I recall, Saddam would let in the inspectors from time to time but every time he did, he threw every obstacle he could in the way of the inspectors while doing their jobs, making it difficult if not impossible to do. Blix and others often complained of having to wait outside of a building they wanted to inspect for hours and hours while Saddam's people moved things out of another side of the building. Also numerous road blocks and accidents were staged to prevent the inspectors from getting to their announced destination in timely matter. Saddam was letting in inspectors, but there was no cooperation once they began their jobs. He didn't make it easy for them, but they *were* getting the job done nevertheless. And Saddam was not the only party getting in their way--the Bush administration did everything it could to sabotage the inspectors and denigrate their work. They were in Iraq, doing their job, right up until Bush pulled them out so he could invade. They were *furious*. For Bush to say Saddam wouldn't let them in is simply a lie. I just don't get how they let Saddam, who was our ally, against the Iranians, to become our enemy; the only reason I can see, is to construct a military base there, and to take over the oil reserves. The other personal issue, as I have said before, had to do with threaten the first President Bush; and the son, had to avenge that... Besides that, this whole invasion of Iraq has made us considerble weaker in terms of our military spread thin, our image in the world: as invaders, and creators of chaos, and hypocrisy; the seperation of our society into north and south using blasphamis fundementalist issues to stir the ignorant, and rasist animal lower animal instinctional level. Manipulating the domestic population, to feel that it is Un-American, to work for peace; but instead support the wasteful war machine, that is the Bush Administration. Ask yourself this question? What in the hell did Saddam do to us? Why is Mr. bin Laden still free to do his thing. Who's in cohoots with who? This whole Iraq debacle will go down as one of the greatest strategic blunders in modern history. I don't think Bush even knows why we truly invaded Iraq and if he does know, he's too much of a dry drunk to give a straight answer. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Check out the new improvements in Yahoo! Groups email. http://us.click.yahoo.com/6pRQfA/fOaOAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- See what's inside the new Yahoo! Groups email. http://us.click.yahoo.com/2pRQfA/bOaOAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Free Saddam Hussein'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, MDixon6569@ wrote: In a message dated 6/25/06 2:42:54 P.M. Central Daylight Time, jstein@ writes: . Even the Washington Post remarked on Bush's misstatement: That's my point. Misstatements. Obviously Bush was meaning Saddam didn't allow the UN inspectors in unfettered, No, it's not obvious at all, especially not after he made the same claim three separate times. because it was clear they were there and had been there. It was on the front page of the news almost everyday. So was the fact that there was no connection between Saddam and 9/11, yet the administration has continued to try to make that connection in the public's mind, with a great deal of success. Bush even made the connection *this year* in his State of the Union. What you don't seem able to recognize is that this administration has no qualms whatsoever about misleading and deceiving the public. ...unlike the mass-murdering dictators you go out of your way to support and defend (as long as you can bash America at the same time). Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- See what's inside the new Yahoo! Groups email. http://us.click.yahoo.com/2pRQfA/bOaOAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Free Saddam Hussein'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, MDixon6569@ wrote: In a message dated 6/25/06 2:42:54 P.M. Central Daylight Time, jstein@ writes: . Even the Washington Post remarked on Bush's misstatement: That's my point. Misstatements. Obviously Bush was meaning Saddam didn't allow the UN inspectors in unfettered, No, it's not obvious at all, especially not after he made the same claim three separate times. because it was clear they were there and had been there. It was on the front page of the news almost everyday. So was the fact that there was no connection between Saddam and 9/11, yet the administration has continued to try to make that connection in the public's mind, with a great deal of success. Bush even made the connection *this year* in his State of the Union. What you don't seem able to recognize is that this administration has no qualms whatsoever about misleading and deceiving the public. ...unlike the mass-murdering dictators you go out of your way to support and defend (as long as you can bash America at the same time). Of course, I'm neither supporting and defending dictators nor bashing America. Take your medication, Shemp. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Great things are happening at Yahoo! Groups. See the new email design. http://us.click.yahoo.com/TISQkA/hOaOAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Free Saddam Hussein'
I guess, if WMD was found in Iraq all the nay sayers would have a different sentiment regarding the current results. I see both Saddam regime and US have their take in being responsible for this war, (also the UN lack of balls) in any case, i don't think there is any doubt that Saddam is a mass murderer, is there. K Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Something is new at Yahoo! Groups. Check out the enhanced email design. http://us.click.yahoo.com/SISQkA/gOaOAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 'Free Saddam Hussein'
In a message dated 6/26/06 11:02:38 A.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I guess, if WMD was found in Iraq all the nay sayers would have a different sentiment regarding the current results. I see both Saddam regime and US have their take in being responsible for this war,(also the UN lack of balls)in any case, i don't think there is any doubt that Saddam is a mass murderer, is there.K Oh, but that's OK. So was Milosivich. __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Religion and spirituality Buddha shakyamuni Maharishi mahesh yogi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Free Saddam Hussein'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robert Gimbel babajii_99@ wrote: Free Saddam Hussein; Both of his sons are dead; And he is an old man now; Tired and burned out. Let him save his country from civil war; Before he dies; He never killed as many as we have; So, we've failed to bring the American Style democracy; But the hatreds go to deep; We had a civil war too; North and South; The bloodiest to date. Let them fight it out, Amongst themselves. R.Gimbel Philadelphia,PA. - Yahoo! Groups gets better. Check out the new email design. Plus there's much more to come. Having just read The article linked from here On Timothy Leary I can only imagine That Nimbel Gimbel Is heavily sedated On mind-altering Drugs In attempting to justify this war, with false info; And capturing the leader of this country; I meant to point out; That this whole Iraqi adventure; Has been insane, and has produced No good thing for America; In taking an opposite viewpoint, Of suggesting that we admit we were mistaken; And that 'might does not make right'(shock awe; mission accomplished); Then suggesting the Democrats are weak on defense; By not going along with(keep the course of insanity). The fact is: The U.S. has killed more Iraqis, Then Saddam ever did. Robert Gimbel Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Something is new at Yahoo! Groups. Check out the enhanced email design. http://us.click.yahoo.com/SISQkA/gOaOAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Free Saddam Hussein'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robert Gimbel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robert Gimbel babajii_99@ wrote: Free Saddam Hussein; Both of his sons are dead; And he is an old man now; Tired and burned out. Let him save his country from civil war; Before he dies; He never killed as many as we have; So, we've failed to bring the American Style democracy; But the hatreds go to deep; We had a civil war too; North and South; The bloodiest to date. Let them fight it out, Amongst themselves. R.Gimbel Philadelphia,PA. - Yahoo! Groups gets better. Check out the new email design. Plus there's much more to come. Having just read The article linked from here On Timothy Leary I can only imagine That Nimbel Gimbel Is heavily sedated On mind-altering Drugs In attempting to justify this war, with false info; Dear, dear Robert I don't think It was false information That Gaddamn Saddam Had 17 resolutions passed Against him By the United Nations Because He didn't comply with inspections So right or wrong information On whether there was WMD Is moot When all Saddy Baby had to do Was let us in And inspect Which he didn't do So who, pray tell, was providing The false info? And capturing the leader of this country; I meant to point out; That this whole Iraqi adventure; Has been insane, and has produced Insane Is writing That the U.S. Killed more Than Saddam No good thing for America; In taking an opposite viewpoint, Of suggesting that we admit we were mistaken; And that 'might does not make right'(shock awe; mission accomplished); Then suggesting the Democrats are weak on defense; By not going along with(keep the course of insanity). The fact is: The U.S. has killed more Iraqis, Then Saddam ever did. Robert Gimbel Are you on drugs Must be To make such a statement Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Yahoo! Groups gets a make over. See the new email design. http://us.click.yahoo.com/XISQkA/lOaOAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Free Saddam Hussein'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robert Gimbel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Free Saddam Hussein; Both of his sons are dead; And he is an old man now; Tired and burned out. Let him save his country from civil war; Before he dies; He never killed as many as we have; So, we've failed to bring the American Style democracy; But the hatreds go to deep; We had a civil war too; North and South; The bloodiest to date. Let them fight it out, Amongst themselves. R.Gimbel Philadelphia,PA. The fellow the americans wants us to think is Saddam Hussein is a relative and one of his 7 doubles. Saddam Hussein died in the first bomb-attack on Bhagdad. For more information, please see: http://www.shareintl.org/magazine/SI_current.htm - Yahoo! Groups gets better. Check out the new email design. Plus there's much more to come. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Check out the new improvements in Yahoo! Groups email. http://us.click.yahoo.com/6pRQfA/fOaOAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Free Saddam Hussein'
Free Saddam Hussein; Both of his sons are dead; And he is an old man now; Tired and burned out. Let him save his country from civil war; Before he dies; He never killed as many as we have; So, we've failed to bring the American Style democracy; But the hatreds go to deep; We had a civil war too; North and South; The bloodiest to date. Let them fight it out, Amongst themselves. R.Gimbel Philadelphia,PA. The fellow the americans wants us to think is Saddam Hussein is a relative and one of his 7 doubles. Saddam Hussein died in the first bomb-attack on Bhagdad. For more information, please see: http://www.shareintl.org/magazine/SI_current.htm Well, it's hard to know what to believe, anymore, truely! Robert G. from Philly... {Original place of the Revolution, and the correlation of electicity with Lightning, amoung other things, long past gone... What would Ben Franklin have thought? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Something is new at Yahoo! Groups. Check out the enhanced email design. http://us.click.yahoo.com/SISQkA/gOaOAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Free Saddam Hussein'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablus108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robert Gimbel babajii_99@ wrote: Free Saddam Hussein; Both of his sons are dead; And he is an old man now; Tired and burned out. Let him save his country from civil war; Before he dies; He never killed as many as we have; So, we've failed to bring the American Style democracy; But the hatreds go to deep; We had a civil war too; North and South; The bloodiest to date. Let them fight it out, Amongst themselves. R.Gimbel Philadelphia,PA. The fellow the americans wants us to think is Saddam Hussein is a relative and one of his 7 doubles. Saddam Hussein died in the first bomb-attack on Bhagdad. Assuming the American military knows about this and is purposely foisting this Saddam relative upon us, why would they do that? Certainly, it is much more to the Americans' advantage to have had a dead Saddam on their hands. Even though Adolf Hitler killed himself at war's end, insurgents continued fighting for Germany for about 4 years after WWII's end. But it is believed that had Hitler lived and put, presumably, on trial, insurgency in Germany would have not only continued longer but have been very, very strong. A dead Saddam is to the Americans' advantage. For more information, please see: http://www.shareintl.org/magazine/SI_current.htm - Yahoo! Groups gets better. Check out the new email design. Plus there's much more to come. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Great things are happening at Yahoo! Groups. See the new email design. http://us.click.yahoo.com/TISQkA/hOaOAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Free Saddam Hussein'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip Because He didn't comply with inspections So right or wrong information On whether there was WMD Is moot When all Saddy Baby had to do Was let us in And inspect Which he didn't do Of course, he *did* let the inspectors in. Bush pulled them out even though--or actually, because-- they weren't finding any WMD, making nonsense of his excuse for the invasion. Bush has said several times publicly that Saddam wouldn't let in the inspectors, which is manifestly untrue. Has he been lying blatantly about something that's clearly on the public record, or is he just so unaware of what went on that he really *believes* what he says? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Yahoo! Groups gets a make over. See the new email design. http://us.click.yahoo.com/XISQkA/lOaOAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Free Saddam Hussein'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robert Gimbel babajii_99@ wrote: Free Saddam Hussein; Both of his sons are dead; And he is an old man now; Tired and burned out. Let him save his country from civil war; Before he dies; He never killed as many as we have; So, we've failed to bring the American Style democracy; But the hatreds go to deep; We had a civil war too; North and South; The bloodiest to date. Let them fight it out, Amongst themselves. R.Gimbel Philadelphia,PA. - Yahoo! Groups gets better. Check out the new email design. Plus there's much more to come. Having just read The article linked from here On Timothy Leary I can only imagine That Nimbel Gimbel Is heavily sedated On mind-altering Drugs Probably taken in suppository form. Some people will believe anything that is typed up if it suits them for some reason. A Saddam back in power might feature the Shi'ites supported by Iran against the Sunnis backed by Syria - and a few of the 36 suitcase size Soviet nukes that are not accountaed for. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Check out the new improvements in Yahoo! Groups email. http://us.click.yahoo.com/6pRQfA/fOaOAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 'Free Saddam Hussein'
In a message dated 6/25/06 5:19:13 A.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Free Saddam Hussein; Both of his sons are dead; And he is an old man now; Tired and burned out. Let him save his country from civil war; Before he dies; He never killed as many as we have; So, we've failed to bring the American Style democracy; But the hatreds go to deep; We had a civil war too; North and South; The bloodiest to date. Let them fight it out, Amongst themselves.R.Gimbel Philadelphia,PA. The fellow the americans wants us to think is Saddam Hussein is a relative and one of his 7 doubles. Saddam Hussein died in the first bomb-attack on Bhagdad. For more information, please see: http://www.shareintl.org/magazine/SI_current.htmWell, it's hard to know what to believe I heard that! __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Religion and spirituality Buddha shakyamuni Maharishi mahesh yogi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 'Free Saddam Hussein'
In a message dated 6/25/06 8:56:54 A.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Of course, he *did* let the inspectors in. Bushpulled them out even though--or actually, because--they weren't finding any WMD, making nonsense ofhis excuse for the invasion.Bush has said several times publicly that Saddamwouldn't let in the inspectors, which is manifestlyuntrue. Has he been lying blatantly about somethingthat's clearly on the public record, or is he justso unaware of what went on that he really *believes*what he says? Judy as I recall, Saddam would let in the inspectors from time to time but every time he did, he threw every obstacle he could in the way of the inspectors while doing their jobs, making it difficult if not impossible to do. Blix and others often complained of having to wait outside of a building they wanted to inspect for hours and hours while Saddam's people moved things out of another side of the building. Also numerous road blocks and accidents were staged to prevent the inspectors from getting to their announced destination in timely matter. Saddam was letting in inspectors, but there was no cooperation once they began their jobs. __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Religion and spirituality Buddha shakyamuni Maharishi mahesh yogi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Free Saddam Hussein'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 6/25/06 8:56:54 A.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Of course, he *did* let the inspectors in. Bush pulled them out even though--or actually, because-- they weren't finding any WMD, making nonsense of his excuse for the invasion. Bush has said several times publicly that Saddam wouldn't let in the inspectors, which is manifestly untrue. Has he been lying blatantly about something that's clearly on the public record, or is he just so unaware of what went on that he really *believes* what he says? Judy as I recall, Saddam would let in the inspectors from time to time but every time he did, he threw every obstacle he could in the way of the inspectors while doing their jobs, making it difficult if not impossible to do. Blix and others often complained of having to wait outside of a building they wanted to inspect for hours and hours while Saddam's people moved things out of another side of the building. Also numerous road blocks and accidents were staged to prevent the inspectors from getting to their announced destination in timely matter. Saddam was letting in inspectors, but there was no cooperation once they began their jobs. He didn't make it easy for them, but they *were* getting the job done nevertheless. And Saddam was not the only party getting in their way--the Bush administration did everything it could to sabotage the inspectors and denigrate their work. They were in Iraq, doing their job, right up until Bush pulled them out so he could invade. They were *furious*. For Bush to say Saddam wouldn't let them in is simply a lie. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Yahoo! Groups gets a make over. See the new email design. http://us.click.yahoo.com/XISQkA/lOaOAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Free Saddam Hussein'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, MDixon6569@ wrote: In a message dated 6/25/06 8:56:54 A.M. Central Daylight Time, jstein@ writes: Of course, he *did* let the inspectors in. Bush pulled them out even though--or actually, because-- they weren't finding any WMD, making nonsense of his excuse for the invasion. Bush has said several times publicly that Saddam wouldn't let in the inspectors, which is manifestly untrue. Has he been lying blatantly about something that's clearly on the public record, or is he just so unaware of what went on that he really *believes* what he says? Judy as I recall, Saddam would let in the inspectors from time to time but every time he did, he threw every obstacle he could in the way of the inspectors while doing their jobs, making it difficult if not impossible to do. Blix and others often complained of having to wait outside of a building they wanted to inspect for hours and hours while Saddam's people moved things out of another side of the building. Also numerous road blocks and accidents were staged to prevent the inspectors from getting to their announced destination in timely matter. Saddam was letting in inspectors, but there was no cooperation once they began their jobs. He didn't make it easy for them, but they *were* getting the job done nevertheless. And Saddam was not the only party getting in their way--the Bush administration did everything it could to sabotage the inspectors and denigrate their work. They were in Iraq, doing their job, right up until Bush pulled them out so he could invade. They were *furious*. From a March 20, 2003, column by Joe Conason in Salon (shortly after the invasion): Nobody is paying much attention to Hans Blix except the BBC, which reported his criticism yesterday of the Bush administration's impatience with the inspection effort. He strongly suggested that the U.S. had expected no cooperation from Iraq when inspections commenced and that you would have a clash from the beginning. Instead, he noted, We had made a rapid start. We did not have any obstacles from the Iraqi side in going anywhere. They gave us prompt access and we were in a great many places all over Iraq. As for the intentions behind Resolution 1441, Blix added: I somewhat doubt that when [the Security Council] got the resolution last November they really intended to give under three-and-a-half months for inspections. Yesterday, the New York Times reported that the Pentagon has prepared an elaborate mission to find and test suspected chemical and biological weapons sites. Military sources told Judith Miller that they have a list of between 300 and 1,400 sites. Apparently the information to be used by the Pentagon teams wasn't disclosed to Hans Blix. Indeed, he told the BBC that his inspectors had been dispatched on several pointless excursions by American intelligence. Would the Bush administration have withheld useful information and intentionally sent the U.N. inspectors elsewhere? Then when the U.N. teams found nothing, the inspection process could be declared a failure. I'm very curious to see if they [the U.S.] find something in Iraq, said Blix drily. For Bush to say Saddam wouldn't let them in is simply a lie. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Check out the new improvements in Yahoo! Groups email. http://us.click.yahoo.com/6pRQfA/fOaOAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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In a message dated 6/25/06 10:43:22 A.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: They were in Iraq, doing their job, right up until Bushpulled them out so he could invade. They were *furious*.For Bush to say Saddam wouldn't let them in is simply a lie. I would like to see the exact quote and speech in which Bush said "Saddam wouldn't let them in". Yes there were times when Saddam threw them out and wouldn't let them in, but after enough saber rattling and threats he would change his mind. Also if Bush said "Saddam wouldn't let them in", while he had to order the inspectors out before hostilities began, it could have been in the context that Saddam wouldn't let them in "unfettered". __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Religion and spirituality Buddha shakyamuni Maharishi mahesh yogi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
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In a message dated 6/25/06 10:53:56 A.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Instead, he noted, "We had made a rapid start. We did not have any obstacles from the Iraqi side in going anywhere. They gave us prompt access and we were in a great many places all over Iraq." Again I would like to know when and where Blix said this. Too many others that where there complained of the obstacles they had to go through to inspect suspected sites. Also there were times and places the Iraqis absolutely forbid inspections. I don't recall Saddam ever giving the UN inspectors access to his forty or so Peace Palaces, which were big enough to hold enormous stock piles of weapons. Also, many Iraqi building complexes often took days to get permission to inspect or were flatly denieduntil enough pressure was place on them. All in all, Saddam sure made it look as though he were playing a shell game. __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Religion and spirituality Buddha shakyamuni Maharishi mahesh yogi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Free Saddam Hussein'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 6/25/06 8:56:54 A.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Of course, he *did* let the inspectors in. Bush pulled them out even though--or actually, because-- they weren't finding any WMD, making nonsense of his excuse for the invasion. Bush has said several times publicly that Saddam wouldn't let in the inspectors, which is manifestly untrue. Has he been lying blatantly about something that's clearly on the public record, or is he just so unaware of what went on that he really *believes* what he says? Judy as I recall, Saddam would let in the inspectors from time to time but every time he did, he threw every obstacle he could in the way of the inspectors while doing their jobs, making it difficult if not impossible to do. Blix and others often complained of having to wait outside of a building they wanted to inspect for hours and hours while Saddam's people moved things out of another side of the building. Also numerous road blocks and accidents were staged to prevent the inspectors from getting to their announced destination in timely matter. Saddam was letting in inspectors, but there was no cooperation once they began their jobs. Judy never met a mass-murdering dictator she didn't like. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- See what's inside the new Yahoo! Groups email. http://us.click.yahoo.com/2pRQfA/bOaOAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Free Saddam Hussein'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, MDixon6569@ wrote: In a message dated 6/25/06 8:56:54 A.M. Central Daylight Time, jstein@ writes: Of course, he *did* let the inspectors in. Bush pulled them out even though--or actually, because-- they weren't finding any WMD, making nonsense of his excuse for the invasion. Bush has said several times publicly that Saddam wouldn't let in the inspectors, which is manifestly untrue. Has he been lying blatantly about something that's clearly on the public record, or is he just so unaware of what went on that he really *believes* what he says? Judy as I recall, Saddam would let in the inspectors from time to time but every time he did, he threw every obstacle he could in the way of the inspectors while doing their jobs, making it difficult if not impossible to do. Blix and others often complained of having to wait outside of a building they wanted to inspect for hours and hours while Saddam's people moved things out of another side of the building. Also numerous road blocks and accidents were staged to prevent the inspectors from getting to their announced destination in timely matter. Saddam was letting in inspectors, but there was no cooperation once they began their jobs. He didn't make it easy for them, but they *were* getting the job done nevertheless. And Saddam was not the only party getting in their way--the Bush administration did everything it could to sabotage the inspectors and denigrate their work. They were in Iraq, doing their job, right up until Bush pulled them out so he could invade. They were *furious*. For Bush to say Saddam wouldn't let them in is simply a lie. Now THAT'S a novel experience: reading that Judy is calling someone a liar. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Check out the new improvements in Yahoo! Groups email. http://us.click.yahoo.com/6pRQfA/fOaOAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Free Saddam Hussein'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: snip Because He didn't comply with inspections So right or wrong information On whether there was WMD Is moot When all Saddy Baby had to do Was let us in And inspect Which he didn't do Of course, he *did* let the inspectors in. I see. Silly United Nations passing those 17 resolutions when Saddam was so co-operative. Bush pulled them out even though--or actually, because-- they weren't finding any WMD, making nonsense of his excuse for the invasion. Bush has said several times publicly that Saddam wouldn't let in the inspectors, which is manifestly untrue. Has he been lying blatantly about something that's clearly on the public record, or is he just so unaware of what went on that he really *believes* what he says? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Great things are happening at Yahoo! Groups. See the new email design. http://us.click.yahoo.com/TISQkA/hOaOAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Free Saddam Hussein'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 6/25/06 10:43:22 A.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: They were in Iraq, doing their job, right up until Bush pulled them out so he could invade. They were *furious*. For Bush to say Saddam wouldn't let them in is simply a lie. I would like to see the exact quote and speech in which Bush said Saddam wouldn't let them in. Yes there were times when Saddam threw them out and wouldn't let them in, but after enough saber rattling and threats he would change his mind. Also if Bush said Saddam wouldn't let them in, while he had to order the inspectors out before hostilities began, it could have been in the context that Saddam wouldn't let them in unfettered. Press conference, January 27, 2004: Well, I think the Iraq Survey Group must do its work. Again, I appreciate David Kay's contribution. I said in the run-up to the war against Iraq that -- first of all, I hoped the international community would take care of him. I was hoping the United Nations would enforce its resolutions, one of many. And then we went to the United Nations, of course, and got an overwhelming resolution -- 1441 -- unanimous resolution, that said to Saddam, you must disclose and destroy your weapons programs, which obviously meant the world felt he had such programs. He chose defiance. It was his choice to make, and he did not let us in. http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2004/01/20040127-3.html Press conference, July 14, 2003 (with Kofi Annan sitting beside him): The larger point is, and the fundamental question is, did Saddam Hussein have a weapons program? And the answer is, absolutely. And we gave him a chance to allow the inspectors in, and he wouldn't let them in. http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2003/07/20030714-3.html Press conference, March 21, 2006: I also saw a threat in Iraq. I was hoping to solve this problem diplomatically. That's why I went to the Security Council; that's why it was important to pass 1441, which was unanimously passed. And the world said, disarm, disclose, or face serious consequences -- and therefore, we worked with the world, we worked to make sure that Saddam Hussein heard the message of the world. And when he chose to deny inspectors, when he chose not to disclose, then I had the difficult decision to make to remove him. And we did, and the world is safer for it. http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2006/03/20060321-4.html Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Great things are happening at Yahoo! Groups. See the new email design. http://us.click.yahoo.com/TISQkA/hOaOAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Free Saddam Hussein'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 6/25/06 10:53:56 A.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Instead, he noted, We had made a rapid start. We did not have any obstacles from the Iraqi side in going anywhere. They gave us prompt access and we were in a great many places all over Iraq. Again I would like to know when and where Blix said this. He said it to the BBC the previous day (March 19, 2003): http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/2867913.stm I notice you snipped this from my Consaon quote: Yesterday [March 19, 2003], the New York Times reported that the Pentagon has prepared an elaborate mission to find and test suspected chemical and biological weapons sites. Military sources told Judith Miller that they have a list of between 300 and 1,400 sites. Apparently the information to be used by the Pentagon teams wasn't disclosed to Hans Blix. Indeed, he told the BBC that his inspectors had been dispatched on several pointless excursions by American intelligence. Would the Bush administration have withheld useful information and intentionally sent the U.N. inspectors elsewhere? Then when the U.N. teams found nothing, the inspection process could be declared a failure. I'm very curious to see if they [the U.S.] find something in Iraq, said Blix drily. Too many others that where there complained of the obstacles they had to go through to inspect suspected sites. Also there were times and places the Iraqis absolutely forbid inspections. I don't recall Saddam ever giving the UN inspectors access to his forty or so Peace Palaces, which were big enough to hold enormous stock piles of weapons. Also, many Iraqi building complexes often took days to get permission to inspect or were flatly denied until enough pressure was place on them. All in all, Saddam sure made it look as though he were playing a shell game. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Yahoo! Groups gets a make over. See the new email design. http://us.click.yahoo.com/XISQkA/lOaOAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Free Saddam Hussein'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Judy never met a mass-murdering dictator she didn't like. Bush? Nixon? Oh, you said dictators, not almost or hopeful dictators. My mistake. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- See what's inside the new Yahoo! Groups email. http://us.click.yahoo.com/2pRQfA/bOaOAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Free Saddam Hussein'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: snip Because He didn't comply with inspections So right or wrong information On whether there was WMD Is moot When all Saddy Baby had to do Was let us in And inspect Which he didn't do Of course, he *did* let the inspectors in. I see. Silly United Nations passing those 17 resolutions when Saddam was so co-operative. You know, Shemp, somebody who doesn't know you very well might think you're just outrageously stupid rather than outrageously dishonest. Actually, you're both. You're outrageously stupid to think anybody is going to believe your outrageous falsehoods. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Great things are happening at Yahoo! Groups. See the new email design. http://us.click.yahoo.com/TISQkA/hOaOAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Free Saddam Hussein'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: snip For Bush to say Saddam wouldn't let them in is simply a lie. Now THAT'S a novel experience: reading that Judy is calling someone a liar. Perhaps if you didn't lie so much, you wouldn't find the experience so familiar. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Check out the new improvements in Yahoo! Groups email. http://us.click.yahoo.com/6pRQfA/fOaOAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Free Saddam Hussein'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip Judy never met a mass-murdering dictator she didn't like. The only way to convince Shemp you don't care for mass-murdering dictators is to be willing to lie about them, as Shemp and Bush do. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Great things are happening at Yahoo! Groups. See the new email design. http://us.click.yahoo.com/TISQkA/hOaOAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 'Free Saddam Hussein'
Notice the dates on each of these press conferences, well after the invasion. Everybody knew the UN had been in Iraq looking for WMDs. Also, everybody knew Saddam had expelled inspectors before and eventually let them back in. Also obviously, everybody knew Bush pulled out the inspectors before the hostilities began. So the context in which Bush was saying "they wouldn't let inspectors in" was, they wouldn't let inspectors in unfettered to do their jobs or without trying to interfere. The big complaint at the time was the shell game Saddam wastrying to play or give the appearance of playing. So it is easy to call Bush a liar in this instance if you take his comments out of context. One thing Bush's political enemies constantly criticize him about are his communication skills and obviously the lack of clarification in his comments opened him up to attack, calling him a liar. But I think anybody with half a brain that has kept up with the conflict and is not a Bush hater knows exactly what was meant in those press conference statements. __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Religion and spirituality Buddha shakyamuni Maharishi mahesh yogi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Free Saddam Hussein'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: snip For Bush to say Saddam wouldn't let them in is simply a lie. Now THAT'S a novel experience: reading that Judy is calling someone a liar. Perhaps if you didn't lie so much, you wouldn't find the experience so familiar. Lets put up to scientific scrutiny: Does i) shemp's nose progressively grow longer, and/or ii) are his pants indeed on fire? Submit articles for peer review to the Journal of Infancy Insults, 1008 InYourFace Lane, University of UpYourAss, Poodunk, FU, 6, USA. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Check out the new improvements in Yahoo! Groups email. http://us.click.yahoo.com/6pRQfA/fOaOAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 'Free Saddam Hussein'
In a message dated 6/25/06 12:00:21 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED].. wrote: In a message dated 6/25/06 10:53:56 A.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Instead, he noted, "We had made a rapid start. We did not have any obstacles from the Iraqi side in going anywhere. They gave us prompt access and we were in a great many places all over Iraq." Again I would like to know when and where Blix said this.He said it to the BBC the previous day (March 19, 2003):http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/2867913.stmI notice you snipped this from my Consaon quote:Yesterday [March 19, 2003], the New York Times reported that the Pentagon has prepared an elaborate mission to find and test suspected chemical and biological weapons sites. Military sources told Judith Miller that they have a list of between 300 and 1,400 sites.Apparently the information to be used by the Pentagon teams wasn't disclosed to Hans Blix. Indeed, he told the BBC that his inspectors had been dispatched on several pointless excursions by American intelligence. Would the Bush administration have withheld useful information and intentionally sent the U.N. inspectors elsewhere? Then when the U.N. teams found nothing, the inspection process could be declared a failure."I'm very curious to see if they [the U.S.] find something in Iraq," said Blix drily. Quite frankly I don't think the Bush administration trusted Blix to be able to find anything and since Blix notified the Iraqi's in advance of which buildings and sites he was going to, that gave the Iraqis the opportunity to move things or sanitize the site before he got there. Obviously the Pentagon wasn't going to tip off the Iraqis via Hans Blix with ever suspected site so they could be cleaned up before inspection. __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Religion and spirituality Buddha shakyamuni Maharishi mahesh yogi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 'Free Saddam Hussein'
In a message dated 6/25/06 12:00:21 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: In a message dated 6/25/06 10:53:56 A.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Instead, he noted, "We had made a rapid start. We did not have any obstacles from the Iraqi side in going anywhere. They gave us prompt access and we were in a great many places all over Iraq." Again I would like to know when and where Blix said this.He said it to the BBC the previous day (March 19, 2003):http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/2867913.stmI notice you snipped this from my Consaon quote: Sorry, I did not make myself clear here. What was the context in which this quote is taken,not the time or place of the quote. Blix may have been right at one point about not being interfered with. But that obviously changed or he is a liar. Too many people have come away complaining of Iraqi interference in doing the UN inspections and I remember Blix complaining of the same in interviews he gave in the media. __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Religion and spirituality Buddha shakyamuni Maharishi mahesh yogi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 'Free Saddam Hussein'
In a message dated 6/25/06 12:06:10 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" shempmcgurk@...wrote: Judy never met a mass-murdering dictator she didn't like.Bush? Nixon? Oh, you said "dictators", not "almost or hopefuldictators". My mistake. You conveniently left Bill Clinton out ofthis. Remember thousands of innocent Serbian civiliansbombed in order to reduce the possibility of an American pilot being shot down while attacking military targets, mostly cardboard tanks, from a height of over 30,000 feet. __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Religion and spirituality Buddha shakyamuni Maharishi mahesh yogi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 'Free Saddam Hussein'
In a message dated 6/25/06 1:09:54 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" shempmcgurk@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" shempmcgurk@ wrote: snip Because He didn't comply with inspections So right or wrong information On whether there was WMD Is moot When all Saddy Baby had to do Was let us in And inspect Which he didn't doOf course, he *did* let the inspectors in. I see. Silly United Nations passing those 17 resolutions when Saddam was so co-operative.You know, Shemp, somebody who doesn't know youvery well might think you're just outrageouslystupid rather than outrageously dishonest.Actually, you're both. You're outrageouslystupid to think anybody is going to believe youroutrageous falsehoods. Judy I'm sorry, But I find nothing stupid or dishonest about anything Shemp has commented on this post. There were 17 resolutions passed concerning the matter and Saddam did little or nothing to co-operate unless he was forced to do so. __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Religion and spirituality Buddha shakyamuni Maharishi mahesh yogi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Free Saddam Hussein'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Notice the dates on each of these press conferences, well after the invasion. duh Everybody knew the UN had been in Iraq looking for WMDs. Also, everybody knew Saddam had expelled inspectors before and eventually let them back in. Also obviously, everybody knew Bush pulled out the inspectors before the hostilities began. So the context in which Bush was saying they wouldn't let inspectors in was, they wouldn't let inspectors in unfettered to do their jobs or without trying to interfere. The big complaint at the time was the shell game Saddam was trying to play or give the appearance of playing. So it is easy to call Bush a liar in this instance if you take his comments out of context. The comments were not taken out of context. Even Bush is smart enough to say He wouldn't let the inspectors do their jobs instead of He wouldn't let the inspectors in if that's what he wanted people to understand. And it wasn't just a slip of the tongue; he said it *at least three times*, at formal White House press conferences, no less. It isn't just me and Joe Conason. Even the Washington Post remarked on Bush's misstatement: The president's assertion that the war began because Iraq did not admit inspectors appeared to contradict the events leading up to war this spring: Hussein had, in fact, admitted the inspectors and Bush had opposed extending their work because he did not believe them effective. And again, according to Blix--the man who was there-- the inspectors were *not* having any trouble getting access to the sites they wanted to see. It was the Bush administration that was trying to sabotage their work, not Saddam. Sorry, but you just can't spin Bush out of this one. One thing Bush's political enemies constantly criticize him about are his communication skills and obviously the lack of clarification in his comments opened him up to attack, calling him a liar. But I think anybody with half a brain that has kept up with the conflict and is not a Bush hater knows exactly what was meant in those press conference statements. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Yahoo! Groups gets a make over. See the new email design. http://us.click.yahoo.com/XISQkA/lOaOAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Free Saddam Hussein'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 6/25/06 12:00:21 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED] (mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com) , MDixon6569@, MDi In a message dated 6/25/06 10:53:56 A.M. Central Daylight Time, jstein@ writes: Instead, he noted, We had made a rapid start. We did not have any obstacles from the Iraqi side in going anywhere. They gave us prompt access and we were in a great many places all over Iraq. Again I would like to know when and where Blix said this. He said it to the BBC the previous day (March 19, 2003): _http://news.http://newhttp://newshttp://news.http://news_ (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/2867913.stm) I notice you snipped this from my Consaon quote: Yesterday [March 19, 2003], the New York Times reported that the Pentagon has prepared an elaborate mission to find and test suspected chemical and biological weapons sites. Military sources told Judith Miller that they have a list of between 300 and 1,400 sites. Apparently the information to be used by the Pentagon teams wasn't disclosed to Hans Blix. Indeed, he told the BBC that his inspectors had been dispatched on several pointless excursions by American intelligence. Would the Bush administration have withheld useful information and intentionally sent the U.N. inspectors elsewhere? Then when the U.N. teams found nothing, the inspection process could be declared a failure. I'm very curious to see if they [the U.S.] find something in Iraq, said Blix drily. Quite frankly I don't think the Bush administration trusted Blix to be able to find anything and since Blix notified the Iraqi's in advance of which buildings and sites he was going to, that gave the Iraqis the opportunity to move things or sanitize the site before he got there. Obviously the Pentagon wasn't going to tip off the Iraqis via Hans Blix with ever suspected site so they could be cleaned up before inspection. Oh, please, M. When are you going to wake up and smell the coffee? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- See what's inside the new Yahoo! Groups email. http://us.click.yahoo.com/2pRQfA/bOaOAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Free Saddam Hussein'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 6/25/06 12:00:21 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: In a message dated 6/25/06 10:53:56 A.M. Central Daylight Time, jstein@ writes: Instead, he noted, We had made a rapid start. We did not have any obstacles from the Iraqi side in going anywhere. They gave us prompt access and we were in a great many places all over Iraq. Again I would like to know when and where Blix said this. He said it to the BBC the previous day (March 19, 2003): _http://news.http://newhttp://newshttp://news.http://news_ (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/2867913.stm) I notice you snipped this from my Consaon quote: Sorry, I did not make myself clear here. What was the context in which this quote is taken,not the time or place of the quote. I gave you a link to the whole BBC interview! What more context could you want? Blix may have been right at one point about not being interfered with. But that obviously changed At one point?? The interview took place *after the invasion*. or he is a liar. Too many people have come away complaining of Iraqi interference in doing the UN inspections and I remember Blix complaining of the same in interviews he gave in the media. You'd better check your memory banks and see when he made those complaints. And how many of the complaints from too many people came via the Bush administration? Remember, it was in the administration's interest to portray Saddam as not letting the inspectors do their jobs. Likewise it was in the administration's interest to portray Blix as somehow incompetent. And finally, remember that Blix was *correct*: The weapons they were looking for did not exist. Saddam had been telling the truth. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Yahoo! Groups gets a make over. See the new email design. http://us.click.yahoo.com/XISQkA/lOaOAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Free Saddam Hussein'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 6/25/06 1:09:54 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: In [EMAIL PROTECTED] (mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com) , shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED] (mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com) , authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED] (mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com) , shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: snip Because He didn't comply with inspections So right or wrong information On whether there was WMD Is moot When all Saddy Baby had to do Was let us in And inspect Which he didn't do Of course, he *did* let the inspectors in. I see. Silly United Nations passing those 17 resolutions when Saddam was so co-operative. You know, Shemp, somebody who doesn't know you very well might think you're just outrageously stupid rather than outrageously dishonest. Actually, you're both. You're outrageously stupid to think anybody is going to believe your outrageous falsehoods. Judy I'm sorry, But I find nothing stupid or dishonest about anything Shemp has commented on this post. There were 17 resolutions passed concerning the matter and Saddam did little or nothing to co-operate unless he was forced to do so. No, M., sorry, *in context* (you're a big fan of context, right?) Shemp's response was outrageously dishonest. That Saddam had not let inspectors in *at other times* is irrelevant to the fact that he *had* let them in during the period Bush was talking about when he said (three times) that Saddam hadn't let the inspectors in. That you can't see Shemp's remark was dishonest certainly fits the pattern of your inability to see Bush's dishonesty. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Something is new at Yahoo! Groups. Check out the enhanced email design. http://us.click.yahoo.com/SISQkA/gOaOAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 'Free Saddam Hussein'
In a message dated 6/25/06 2:42:54 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: . Even the WashingtonPost remarked on Bush's misstatement: That's my point. Misstatements. Obviously Bush was meaningSaddam didn't allow the UN inspectors in unfettered, because it was clear they were thereand had been there. It was on the front page of the news almost everyday. __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Religion and spirituality Buddha shakyamuni Maharishi mahesh yogi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Free Saddam Hussein'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 6/25/06 2:42:54 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: . Even the Washington Post remarked on Bush's misstatement: That's my point. Misstatements. Obviously Bush was meaning Saddam didn't allow the UN inspectors in unfettered, No, it's not obvious at all, especially not after he made the same claim three separate times. because it was clear they were there and had been there. It was on the front page of the news almost everyday. So was the fact that there was no connection between Saddam and 9/11, yet the administration has continued to try to make that connection in the public's mind, with a great deal of success. Bush even made the connection *this year* in his State of the Union. What you don't seem able to recognize is that this administration has no qualms whatsoever about misleading and deceiving the public. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Something is new at Yahoo! Groups. Check out the enhanced email design. http://us.click.yahoo.com/SISQkA/gOaOAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Free Saddam Hussein'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robert Gimbel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Free Saddam Hussein; Both of his sons are dead; And he is an old man now; Tired and burned out. Let him save his country from civil war; Before he dies; He never killed as many as we have; So, we've failed to bring the American Style democracy; But the hatreds go to deep; We had a civil war too; North and South; The bloodiest to date. Let them fight it out, Amongst themselves. R.Gimbel Philadelphia,PA. - Yahoo! Groups gets better. Check out the new email design. Plus there's much more to come. Having just read The article linked from here On Timothy Leary I can only imagine That Nimbel Gimbel Is heavily sedated On mind-altering Drugs Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- See what's inside the new Yahoo! Groups email. http://us.click.yahoo.com/2pRQfA/bOaOAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/