[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Free Saddam Hussein'

2006-06-28 Thread Robert Gimbel
---  In a message dated 6/25/06 8:56:54 A.M. Central Daylight Time,  
  jstein@ writes:
  
  Of  course, he *did* let the inspectors in. Bush
  pulled them out even  though--or actually, because--
  they weren't finding any WMD, making  nonsense of
  his excuse for the invasion.
  
  Bush has said several times  publicly that Saddam
  wouldn't let in the inspectors, which is  manifestly
  untrue. Has he been lying blatantly about something
  that's  clearly on the public record, or is he just
  so unaware of what went on that  he really *believes*
  what he says?
 
  
  Judy as I recall, Saddam would let in the  inspectors  from time 
to
  time but every time he did, he threw every obstacle he could in 
  the  way of the inspectors while doing their jobs, making it 
  difficult if not  impossible to do. Blix and others often 
  complained of having to wait outside of  a building they wanted 
to 
  inspect for hours and hours while Saddam's people  moved things 
out 
  of another side of the building. Also numerous road blocks and  
  accidents were staged to prevent the inspectors from getting to 
  their announced  destination in timely matter. Saddam was letting 
  in inspectors, but there  was no cooperation once they began 
their 
  jobs.
 
 He didn't make it easy for them, but they *were* getting
 the job done nevertheless.  And Saddam was not the only
 party getting in their way--the Bush administration did
 everything it could to sabotage the inspectors and
 denigrate their work.
 
 They were in Iraq, doing their job, right up until Bush
 pulled them out so he could invade.  They were *furious*.
 
 For Bush to say Saddam wouldn't let them in is simply a lie.

I just don't get how they let Saddam, who was our ally, against the 
Iranians, to become our enemy; the only reason I can see, is to 
construct a military base there, and to take over the oil reserves.
The other personal issue, as I have said before, had to do with 
threaten the first President Bush; and the son, had to avenge that...

Besides that, this whole invasion of Iraq has made us considerble 
weaker in terms of our military spread thin, our image in the world: 
as invaders, and creators of chaos, and hypocrisy; the seperation of 
our society into north and south using blasphamis fundementalist 
issues to stir the ignorant, and rasist animal lower animal 
instinctional level.

Manipulating the domestic population, to feel that it is Un-American, 
to work for peace; but instead support the wasteful war machine, that 
is the Bush Administration.
 
Ask yourself this question?
What in the hell did Saddam do to us?
Why is Mr. bin Laden still free to do his thing.
Who's in cohoots with who?








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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 'Free Saddam Hussein'

2006-06-28 Thread Peter


--- Robert Gimbel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 ---  In a message dated 6/25/06 8:56:54 A.M. Central
 Daylight Time,  
   jstein@ writes:
   
   Of  course, he *did* let the inspectors in. Bush
   pulled them out even  though--or actually,
 because--
   they weren't finding any WMD, making  nonsense
 of
   his excuse for the invasion.
   
   Bush has said several times  publicly that
 Saddam
   wouldn't let in the inspectors, which is 
 manifestly
   untrue. Has he been lying blatantly about
 something
   that's  clearly on the public record, or is he
 just
   so unaware of what went on that  he really
 *believes*
   what he says?
  
   
   Judy as I recall, Saddam would let in the 
 inspectors  from time 
 to
   time but every time he did, he threw every
 obstacle he could in 
   the  way of the inspectors while doing their
 jobs, making it 
   difficult if not  impossible to do. Blix and
 others often 
   complained of having to wait outside of  a
 building they wanted 
 to 
   inspect for hours and hours while Saddam's
 people  moved things 
 out 
   of another side of the building. Also numerous
 road blocks and  
   accidents were staged to prevent the inspectors
 from getting to 
   their announced  destination in timely matter.
 Saddam was letting 
   in inspectors, but there  was no cooperation
 once they began 
 their 
   jobs.
  
  He didn't make it easy for them, but they *were*
 getting
  the job done nevertheless.  And Saddam was not the
 only
  party getting in their way--the Bush
 administration did
  everything it could to sabotage the inspectors and
  denigrate their work.
  
  They were in Iraq, doing their job, right up until
 Bush
  pulled them out so he could invade.  They were
 *furious*.
  
  For Bush to say Saddam wouldn't let them in is
 simply a lie.
 
 I just don't get how they let Saddam, who was our
 ally, against the 
 Iranians, to become our enemy; the only reason I can
 see, is to 
 construct a military base there, and to take over
 the oil reserves.
 The other personal issue, as I have said before, had
 to do with 
 threaten the first President Bush; and the son, had
 to avenge that...
 
 Besides that, this whole invasion of Iraq has made
 us considerble 
 weaker in terms of our military spread thin, our
 image in the world: 
 as invaders, and creators of chaos, and hypocrisy;
 the seperation of 
 our society into north and south using blasphamis
 fundementalist 
 issues to stir the ignorant, and rasist animal lower
 animal 
 instinctional level.
 
 Manipulating the domestic population, to feel that
 it is Un-American, 
 to work for peace; but instead support the wasteful
 war machine, that 
 is the Bush Administration.
  
 Ask yourself this question?
 What in the hell did Saddam do to us?
 Why is Mr. bin Laden still free to do his thing.
 Who's in cohoots with who?

This whole Iraq debacle will go down as one of the
greatest strategic blunders in modern history. I don't
think Bush even knows why we truly invaded Iraq and if
he does know, he's too much of a dry drunk to give a
straight answer. 




 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
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[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Free Saddam Hussein'

2006-06-26 Thread shempmcgurk
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, MDixon6569@ wrote:
 
   
  In a message dated 6/25/06 2:42:54 P.M. Central Daylight Time,  
  jstein@ writes:
  
  . Even  the Washington
  Post remarked on Bush's  misstatement:
  
  That's my point. Misstatements. Obviously Bush was  meaning 
Saddam 
  didn't allow the UN inspectors  in unfettered,
 
 No, it's not obvious at all, especially not after he
 made the same claim three separate times.
 
  because  it was clear 
  they were there and had been there. It was on the front page  of 
the 
  news almost everyday.
 
 So was the fact that there was no connection between
 Saddam and 9/11, yet the administration has continued
 to try to make that connection in the public's mind,
 with a great deal of success.
 
 Bush even made the connection *this year* in his State
 of the Union.
 
 What you don't seem able to recognize is that this
 administration has no qualms whatsoever about misleading
 and deceiving the public.



...unlike the mass-murdering dictators you go out of your way to 
support and defend (as long as you can bash America at the same 
time).






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[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Free Saddam Hussein'

2006-06-26 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ 
 wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, MDixon6569@ wrote:
  

   In a message dated 6/25/06 2:42:54 P.M. Central Daylight Time,  
   jstein@ writes:
   
   . Even  the Washington
   Post remarked on Bush's  misstatement:
   
   That's my point. Misstatements. Obviously Bush was  meaning 
 Saddam 
   didn't allow the UN inspectors  in unfettered,
  
  No, it's not obvious at all, especially not after he
  made the same claim three separate times.
  
   because  it was clear 
   they were there and had been there. It was on the front page  
of 
 the 
   news almost everyday.
  
  So was the fact that there was no connection between
  Saddam and 9/11, yet the administration has continued
  to try to make that connection in the public's mind,
  with a great deal of success.
  
  Bush even made the connection *this year* in his State
  of the Union.
  
  What you don't seem able to recognize is that this
  administration has no qualms whatsoever about misleading
  and deceiving the public.
 
 ...unlike the mass-murdering dictators you go out of your way to 
 support and defend (as long as you can bash America at the same 
 time).

Of course, I'm neither supporting and defending dictators
nor bashing America.

Take your medication, Shemp.







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[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Free Saddam Hussein'

2006-06-26 Thread kabbalist1
 I guess, if WMD was found in Iraq all the nay sayers would have a 
different sentiment regarding the current results. I see both Saddam 
regime and US have their take in being responsible for this war,
(also the UN lack of balls)
in any case, i don't think there is any doubt that Saddam is a mass 
murderer, is there.

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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 'Free Saddam Hussein'

2006-06-26 Thread MDixon6569






In a message dated 6/26/06 11:02:38 A.M. Central Daylight Time, 
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  I guess, if WMD was found in Iraq all the nay sayers would have a 
  different sentiment regarding the current results. I see both Saddam 
  regime and US have their take in being responsible for this war,(also 
  the UN lack of balls)in any case, i don't think there is any doubt that 
  Saddam is a mass murderer, is 
there.K

Oh, but that's OK. So was Milosivich. 

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[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Free Saddam Hussein'

2006-06-25 Thread Robert Gimbel
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robert Gimbel babajii_99@ 
 wrote:
 
  Free Saddam Hussein;
Both of his sons are dead;
And he is an old man now;
Tired and burned out.
Let him save his country from civil war;
Before he dies;
He never killed as many as we have;
So, we've failed to bring the American Style democracy;
But the hatreds go to deep;
We had a civil war too;
North and South;
The bloodiest to date.
Let them fight it out,
Amongst themselves.
 
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 Having just read
 The article linked from here
 On Timothy Leary
 I can only imagine
 That Nimbel Gimbel
 Is heavily sedated
 On mind-altering
 Drugs

In attempting to justify this war, with false info;
And capturing the leader of this country;
I meant to point out;
That this whole Iraqi adventure;
Has been insane, and has produced
No good thing for America;
In taking an opposite viewpoint,
Of suggesting that we admit we were mistaken;
And that 'might does not make right'(shock  awe; mission 
accomplished);
Then suggesting the Democrats are weak on defense;
By not going along with(keep the course of insanity).
The fact is:
The U.S. has killed more Iraqis,
Then Saddam ever did.
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[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Free Saddam Hussein'

2006-06-25 Thread shempmcgurk
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robert Gimbel 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk 
 shempmcgurk@ wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robert Gimbel 
babajii_99@ 
  wrote:
  
   Free Saddam Hussein;
 Both of his sons are dead;
 And he is an old man now;
 Tired and burned out.
 Let him save his country from civil war;
 Before he dies;
 He never killed as many as we have;
 So, we've failed to bring the American Style democracy;
 But the hatreds go to deep;
 We had a civil war too;
 North and South;
 The bloodiest to date.
 Let them fight it out,
 Amongst themselves.
  
 R.Gimbel   Philadelphia,PA.
   
 
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  Having just read
  The article linked from here
  On Timothy Leary
  I can only imagine
  That Nimbel Gimbel
  Is heavily sedated
  On mind-altering
  Drugs
 
 In attempting to justify this war, with false info;



Dear, dear Robert
I don't think
It was false information
That Gaddamn Saddam
Had 17 resolutions passed
Against him
By the United Nations
Because
He didn't comply with inspections
So right or wrong information
On whether there was WMD
Is moot
When all Saddy Baby had to do
Was let us in
And inspect
Which he didn't do
So who, pray tell, was providing
The false info?




 And capturing the leader of this country;
 I meant to point out;
 That this whole Iraqi adventure;
 Has been insane, and has produced



Insane
Is writing
That the U.S.
Killed more
Than Saddam






 No good thing for America;
 In taking an opposite viewpoint,
 Of suggesting that we admit we were mistaken;
 And that 'might does not make right'(shock  awe; mission 
 accomplished);
 Then suggesting the Democrats are weak on defense;
 By not going along with(keep the course of insanity).
 The fact is:
 The U.S. has killed more Iraqis,
 Then Saddam ever did.
 Robert Gimbel


Are you on drugs
Must be
To make such a statement











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[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Free Saddam Hussein'

2006-06-25 Thread nablus108
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robert Gimbel [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:

 Free Saddam Hussein;
   Both of his sons are dead;
   And he is an old man now;
   Tired and burned out.
   Let him save his country from civil war;
   Before he dies;
   He never killed as many as we have;
   So, we've failed to bring the American Style democracy;
   But the hatreds go to deep;
   We had a civil war too;
   North and South;
   The bloodiest to date.
   Let them fight it out,
   Amongst themselves.

   R.Gimbel   Philadelphia,PA.

The fellow the americans wants us to think is Saddam Hussein is a 
relative and one of his 7 doubles. Saddam Hussein died in the first 
bomb-attack on Bhagdad. 

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[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Free Saddam Hussein'

2006-06-25 Thread Robert Gimbel
 
 
  Free Saddam Hussein;
Both of his sons are dead;
And he is an old man now;
Tired and burned out.
Let him save his country from civil war;
Before he dies;
He never killed as many as we have;
So, we've failed to bring the American Style democracy;
But the hatreds go to deep;
We had a civil war too;
North and South;
The bloodiest to date.
Let them fight it out,
Amongst themselves.
 
R.Gimbel   Philadelphia,PA.
 
 The fellow the americans wants us to think is Saddam Hussein is a 
 relative and one of his 7 doubles. Saddam Hussein died in the 
first 
 bomb-attack on Bhagdad. 
 
 For more information, please see: 
 http://www.shareintl.org/magazine/SI_current.htm
 
Well, it's hard to know what to believe, anymore, truely!
Robert G. from Philly...
{Original place of the Revolution, and the correlation of electicity 
with Lightning, amoung other things, long past gone...
What would Ben Franklin have thought?





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[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Free Saddam Hussein'

2006-06-25 Thread shempmcgurk
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablus108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robert Gimbel babajii_99@ 
 wrote:
 
  Free Saddam Hussein;
Both of his sons are dead;
And he is an old man now;
Tired and burned out.
Let him save his country from civil war;
Before he dies;
He never killed as many as we have;
So, we've failed to bring the American Style democracy;
But the hatreds go to deep;
We had a civil war too;
North and South;
The bloodiest to date.
Let them fight it out,
Amongst themselves.
 
R.Gimbel   Philadelphia,PA.
 
 The fellow the americans wants us to think is Saddam Hussein is a 
 relative and one of his 7 doubles. Saddam Hussein died in the 
first 
 bomb-attack on Bhagdad. 






Assuming the American military knows about this and is purposely 
foisting this Saddam relative upon us, why would they do that?  
Certainly, it is much more to the Americans' advantage to have had a 
dead Saddam on their hands.

Even though Adolf Hitler killed himself at war's end, insurgents 
continued fighting for Germany for about 4 years after WWII's end.  
But it is believed that had Hitler lived and put, presumably, on 
trial, insurgency in Germany would have not only continued longer 
but have been very, very strong.

A dead Saddam is to the Americans' advantage.





 
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[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Free Saddam Hussein'

2006-06-25 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:
snip
 Because
 He didn't comply with inspections
 So right or wrong information
 On whether there was WMD
 Is moot
 When all Saddy Baby had to do
 Was let us in
 And inspect
 Which he didn't do

Of course, he *did* let the inspectors in.  Bush
pulled them out even though--or actually, because--
they weren't finding any WMD, making nonsense of
his excuse for the invasion.

Bush has said several times publicly that Saddam
wouldn't let in the inspectors, which is manifestly
untrue.  Has he been lying blatantly about something
that's clearly on the public record, or is he just
so unaware of what went on that he really *believes*
what he says?






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[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Free Saddam Hussein'

2006-06-25 Thread uns_tressor
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robert Gimbel babajii_99@ 
 wrote:
 
  Free Saddam Hussein;
Both of his sons are dead;
And he is an old man now;
Tired and burned out.
Let him save his country from civil war;
Before he dies;
He never killed as many as we have;
So, we've failed to bring the American Style democracy;
But the hatreds go to deep;
We had a civil war too;
North and South;
The bloodiest to date.
Let them fight it out,
Amongst themselves.
 
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 Having just read
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 On Timothy Leary
 I can only imagine
 That Nimbel Gimbel
 Is heavily sedated
 On mind-altering
 Drugs

Probably taken in suppository form. 
Some people will believe anything that is
typed up if it suits them for some reason.
A Saddam back in power might feature the Shi'ites
supported by Iran against the Sunnis backed
by Syria - and a few of the 36 suitcase size
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 'Free Saddam Hussein'

2006-06-25 Thread MDixon6569






In a message dated 6/25/06 5:19:13 A.M. Central Daylight Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

  
  
 Free Saddam Hussein;  Both of his 
  sons are dead;  And he is an old man now;  Tired and 
  burned out.  Let him save his country from civil war;  
  Before he dies;  He never killed as many as we have;  
  So, we've failed to bring the American Style democracy;  But the 
  hatreds go to deep;  We had a civil war too;  North 
  and South;  The bloodiest to date.  Let them fight it 
  out,  Amongst themselves.R.Gimbel 
  Philadelphia,PA.  The fellow the americans wants us to 
  think is Saddam Hussein is a  relative and one of his 7 doubles. 
  Saddam Hussein died in the first  bomb-attack on Bhagdad.  
   For more information, please see:  http://www.shareintl.org/magazine/SI_current.htmWell, 
  it's hard to know what to believe

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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 'Free Saddam Hussein'

2006-06-25 Thread MDixon6569






In a message dated 6/25/06 8:56:54 A.M. Central Daylight Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Of 
  course, he *did* let the inspectors in. Bushpulled them out even 
  though--or actually, because--they weren't finding any WMD, making 
  nonsense ofhis excuse for the invasion.Bush has said several times 
  publicly that Saddamwouldn't let in the inspectors, which is 
  manifestlyuntrue. Has he been lying blatantly about somethingthat's 
  clearly on the public record, or is he justso unaware of what went on that 
  he really *believes*what he says?

Judy as I recall, Saddam would let in the inspectors 
from time to time but every time he did, he threw every obstacle he could in the 
way of the inspectors while doing their jobs, making it difficult if not 
impossible to do. Blix and others often complained of having to wait outside of 
a building they wanted to inspect for hours and hours while Saddam's people 
moved things out of another side of the building. Also numerous road blocks and 
accidents were staged to prevent the inspectors from getting to their announced 
destination in timely matter. Saddam was letting in inspectors, but there 
was no cooperation once they began their jobs.
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[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Free Saddam Hussein'

2006-06-25 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  
 In a message dated 6/25/06 8:56:54 A.M. Central Daylight Time,  
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
 
 Of  course, he *did* let the inspectors in. Bush
 pulled them out even  though--or actually, because--
 they weren't finding any WMD, making  nonsense of
 his excuse for the invasion.
 
 Bush has said several times  publicly that Saddam
 wouldn't let in the inspectors, which is  manifestly
 untrue. Has he been lying blatantly about something
 that's  clearly on the public record, or is he just
 so unaware of what went on that  he really *believes*
 what he says?

 
 Judy as I recall, Saddam would let in the  inspectors  from time to
 time but every time he did, he threw every obstacle he could in 
 the  way of the inspectors while doing their jobs, making it 
 difficult if not  impossible to do. Blix and others often 
 complained of having to wait outside of  a building they wanted to 
 inspect for hours and hours while Saddam's people  moved things out 
 of another side of the building. Also numerous road blocks and  
 accidents were staged to prevent the inspectors from getting to 
 their announced  destination in timely matter. Saddam was letting 
 in inspectors, but there  was no cooperation once they began their 
 jobs.

He didn't make it easy for them, but they *were* getting
the job done nevertheless.  And Saddam was not the only
party getting in their way--the Bush administration did
everything it could to sabotage the inspectors and
denigrate their work.

They were in Iraq, doing their job, right up until Bush
pulled them out so he could invade.  They were *furious*.

For Bush to say Saddam wouldn't let them in is simply a lie.







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[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Free Saddam Hussein'

2006-06-25 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, MDixon6569@ wrote:
 
   
  In a message dated 6/25/06 8:56:54 A.M. Central Daylight Time,  
  jstein@ writes:
  
  Of  course, he *did* let the inspectors in. Bush
  pulled them out even  though--or actually, because--
  they weren't finding any WMD, making  nonsense of
  his excuse for the invasion.
  
  Bush has said several times  publicly that Saddam
  wouldn't let in the inspectors, which is  manifestly
  untrue. Has he been lying blatantly about something
  that's  clearly on the public record, or is he just
  so unaware of what went on that  he really *believes*
  what he says?
 
  
  Judy as I recall, Saddam would let in the  inspectors  from time 
to
  time but every time he did, he threw every obstacle he could in 
  the  way of the inspectors while doing their jobs, making it 
  difficult if not  impossible to do. Blix and others often 
  complained of having to wait outside of  a building they wanted 
to 
  inspect for hours and hours while Saddam's people  moved things 
out 
  of another side of the building. Also numerous road blocks and  
  accidents were staged to prevent the inspectors from getting to 
  their announced  destination in timely matter. Saddam was letting 
  in inspectors, but there  was no cooperation once they began 
their 
  jobs.
 
 He didn't make it easy for them, but they *were* getting
 the job done nevertheless.  And Saddam was not the only
 party getting in their way--the Bush administration did
 everything it could to sabotage the inspectors and
 denigrate their work.
 
 They were in Iraq, doing their job, right up until Bush
 pulled them out so he could invade.  They were *furious*.

From a March 20, 2003, column by Joe Conason in Salon (shortly after 
the invasion):

Nobody is paying much attention to Hans Blix except the BBC, which 
reported his criticism yesterday of the Bush 
administration's impatience with the inspection effort. He strongly 
suggested that the U.S. had expected no cooperation from Iraq when 
inspections commenced and that you would have a clash from the 
beginning.

Instead, he noted, We had made a rapid start. We did not have any 
obstacles from the Iraqi side in going anywhere. They gave us prompt 
access and we were in a great many places all over Iraq. As for the 
intentions behind Resolution 1441, Blix added: I somewhat doubt that 
when [the Security Council] got the resolution last November they 
really intended to give under three-and-a-half months for 
inspections.

Yesterday, the New York Times reported that the Pentagon has prepared 
an elaborate mission to find and test suspected chemical and 
biological weapons sites. Military sources told Judith Miller that 
they have a list of between 300 and 1,400 sites.

Apparently the information to be used by the Pentagon teams wasn't 
disclosed to Hans Blix. Indeed, he told the BBC that his inspectors 
had been dispatched on several pointless excursions by American 
intelligence. Would the Bush administration have withheld useful 
information and intentionally sent the U.N. inspectors elsewhere? 
Then when the U.N. teams found nothing, the inspection process could 
be declared a failure.

I'm very curious to see if they [the U.S.] find something in Iraq, 
said Blix drily.


 
 For Bush to say Saddam wouldn't let them in is simply a lie.








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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 'Free Saddam Hussein'

2006-06-25 Thread MDixon6569






In a message dated 6/25/06 10:43:22 A.M. Central Daylight Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
They 
  were in Iraq, doing their job, right up until Bushpulled them out so he 
  could invade. They were *furious*.For Bush to say Saddam wouldn't let 
  them in is simply a lie.

I would like to see the exact quote and speech in which Bush 
said "Saddam wouldn't let them in". Yes there were times when Saddam threw them 
out and wouldn't let them in, but after enough saber rattling and threats he 
would change his mind. Also if Bush said "Saddam wouldn't let them in", while he 
had to order the inspectors out before hostilities began, it could have been in 
the context that Saddam wouldn't let them in 
"unfettered".
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 'Free Saddam Hussein'

2006-06-25 Thread MDixon6569






In a message dated 6/25/06 10:53:56 A.M. Central Daylight Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Instead, 
  he noted, "We had made a rapid start. We did not have any obstacles from 
  the Iraqi side in going anywhere. They gave us prompt access and we were 
  in a great many places all over Iraq."

Again I would like to know when and where Blix said this. Too 
many others that where there complained of the obstacles they had to go through 
to inspect suspected sites. Also there were times and places the Iraqis 
absolutely forbid inspections. I don't recall Saddam ever giving the UN 
inspectors access to his forty or so Peace Palaces, which were big enough to 
hold enormous stock piles of weapons. Also, many Iraqi building complexes often 
took days to get permission to inspect or were flatly denieduntil enough 
pressure was place on them. All in all, Saddam sure made it look as though he 
were playing a shell game.
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[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Free Saddam Hussein'

2006-06-25 Thread shempmcgurk
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  
 In a message dated 6/25/06 8:56:54 A.M. Central Daylight Time,  
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
 
 Of  course, he *did* let the inspectors in. Bush
 pulled them out even  though--or actually, because--
 they weren't finding any WMD, making  nonsense of
 his excuse for the invasion.
 
 Bush has said several times  publicly that Saddam
 wouldn't let in the inspectors, which is  manifestly
 untrue. Has he been lying blatantly about something
 that's  clearly on the public record, or is he just
 so unaware of what went on that  he really *believes*
 what he says?
 
 
 
 
 Judy as I recall, Saddam would let in the  inspectors  from time 
to time but 
 every time he did, he threw every obstacle he could in the  way of 
the 
 inspectors while doing their jobs, making it difficult if not  
impossible to do. Blix 
 and others often complained of having to wait outside of  a 
building they 
 wanted to inspect for hours and hours while Saddam's people  moved 
things out of 
 another side of the building. Also numerous road blocks and  
accidents were 
 staged to prevent the inspectors from getting to their announced  
destination in 
  timely matter. Saddam was letting in inspectors, but there  was 
no 
 cooperation once they began their jobs.


Judy never met a mass-murdering dictator she didn't like.







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[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Free Saddam Hussein'

2006-06-25 Thread shempmcgurk
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, MDixon6569@ wrote:
 
   
  In a message dated 6/25/06 8:56:54 A.M. Central Daylight Time,  
  jstein@ writes:
  
  Of  course, he *did* let the inspectors in. Bush
  pulled them out even  though--or actually, because--
  they weren't finding any WMD, making  nonsense of
  his excuse for the invasion.
  
  Bush has said several times  publicly that Saddam
  wouldn't let in the inspectors, which is  manifestly
  untrue. Has he been lying blatantly about something
  that's  clearly on the public record, or is he just
  so unaware of what went on that  he really *believes*
  what he says?
 
  
  Judy as I recall, Saddam would let in the  inspectors  from time 
to
  time but every time he did, he threw every obstacle he could in 
  the  way of the inspectors while doing their jobs, making it 
  difficult if not  impossible to do. Blix and others often 
  complained of having to wait outside of  a building they wanted 
to 
  inspect for hours and hours while Saddam's people  moved things 
out 
  of another side of the building. Also numerous road blocks and  
  accidents were staged to prevent the inspectors from getting to 
  their announced  destination in timely matter. Saddam was 
letting 
  in inspectors, but there  was no cooperation once they began 
their 
  jobs.
 
 He didn't make it easy for them, but they *were* getting
 the job done nevertheless.  And Saddam was not the only
 party getting in their way--the Bush administration did
 everything it could to sabotage the inspectors and
 denigrate their work.
 
 They were in Iraq, doing their job, right up until Bush
 pulled them out so he could invade.  They were *furious*.
 
 For Bush to say Saddam wouldn't let them in is simply a lie.


Now THAT'S a novel experience: reading that Judy is calling someone 
a liar.







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[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Free Saddam Hussein'

2006-06-25 Thread shempmcgurk
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ 
 wrote:
 snip
  Because
  He didn't comply with inspections
  So right or wrong information
  On whether there was WMD
  Is moot
  When all Saddy Baby had to do
  Was let us in
  And inspect
  Which he didn't do
 
 Of course, he *did* let the inspectors in.



I see.

Silly United Nations passing those 17 resolutions when Saddam was so 
co-operative.




  Bush
 pulled them out even though--or actually, because--
 they weren't finding any WMD, making nonsense of
 his excuse for the invasion.
 
 Bush has said several times publicly that Saddam
 wouldn't let in the inspectors, which is manifestly
 untrue.  Has he been lying blatantly about something
 that's clearly on the public record, or is he just
 so unaware of what went on that he really *believes*
 what he says?







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[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Free Saddam Hussein'

2006-06-25 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  
 In a message dated 6/25/06 10:43:22 A.M. Central Daylight Time,  
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
 
 They  were in Iraq, doing their job, right up until Bush
 pulled them out so he  could invade. They were *furious*.
 
 For Bush to say Saddam wouldn't let  them in is simply a lie.
 
 I would like to see the exact quote and speech in which Bush  
 said Saddam wouldn't let them in. Yes there were times when 
 Saddam threw them  out and wouldn't let them in, but after enough 
 saber rattling and threats he  would change his mind. Also if Bush 
 said Saddam wouldn't let them in, while he  had to order the 
 inspectors out before hostilities began, it could have been in the 
 context that Saddam wouldn't let them in  unfettered.

Press conference, January 27, 2004:

Well, I think the Iraq Survey Group must do its work. Again, I 
appreciate David Kay's contribution. I said in the run-up to the war 
against Iraq that -- first of all, I hoped the international 
community would take care of him. I was hoping the United Nations 
would enforce its resolutions, one of many. And then we went to the 
United Nations, of course, and got an overwhelming resolution -- 
1441 -- unanimous resolution, that said to Saddam, you must disclose 
and destroy your weapons programs, which obviously meant the world 
felt he had such programs. He chose defiance. It was his choice to 
make, and he did not let us in.

http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2004/01/20040127-3.html


Press conference, July 14, 2003 (with Kofi Annan sitting
beside him):

The larger point is, and the fundamental question is, did Saddam 
Hussein have a weapons program? And the answer is, absolutely. And we 
gave him a chance to allow the inspectors in, and he wouldn't let 
them in.

http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2003/07/20030714-3.html


Press conference, March 21, 2006:

I also saw a threat in Iraq. I was hoping to solve this problem 
diplomatically. That's why I went to the Security Council; that's why 
it was important to pass 1441, which was unanimously passed. And the 
world said, disarm, disclose, or face serious consequences -- and 
therefore, we worked with the world, we worked to make sure that 
Saddam Hussein heard the message of the world. And when he chose to 
deny inspectors, when he chose not to disclose, then I had the 
difficult decision to make to remove him. And we did, and the world 
is safer for it.

http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2006/03/20060321-4.html







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[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Free Saddam Hussein'

2006-06-25 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  
 In a message dated 6/25/06 10:53:56 A.M. Central Daylight Time,  
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
 
 Instead,  he noted, We had made a rapid start. We did not have any
 obstacles from  the Iraqi side in going anywhere. They gave us 
 prompt access and we were  in a great many places all over Iraq.
 
 Again I would like to know when and where Blix said this.

He said it to the BBC the previous day (March 19, 2003):

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/2867913.stm

I notice you snipped this from my Consaon quote:

Yesterday [March 19, 2003], the New York Times reported that the 
Pentagon has prepared an elaborate mission to find and test suspected 
chemical and biological weapons sites. Military sources told Judith 
Miller that they have a list of between 300 and 1,400 sites.

Apparently the information to be used by the Pentagon teams wasn't 
disclosed to Hans Blix. Indeed, he told the BBC that his inspectors 
had been dispatched on several pointless excursions by American 
intelligence. Would the Bush administration have withheld useful 
information and intentionally sent the U.N. inspectors elsewhere? 
Then when the U.N. teams found nothing, the inspection process could 
be declared a failure.

I'm very curious to see if they [the U.S.] find something in Iraq, 
said Blix drily.






 Too  many others 
 that where there complained of the obstacles they had to go 
through  to inspect 
 suspected sites. Also there were times and places the Iraqis  
absolutely 
 forbid inspections. I don't recall Saddam ever giving the UN  
inspectors access to 
 his forty or so Peace Palaces, which were big enough to  hold 
enormous stock 
 piles of weapons. Also, many Iraqi building complexes often  took 
days to get 
 permission to inspect or were flatly denied until enough  pressure 
was place on 
 them. All in all, Saddam sure made it look as though he  were 
playing a shell 
 game.








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[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Free Saddam Hussein'

2006-06-25 Thread new_morning_blank_slate
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 Judy never met a mass-murdering dictator she didn't like.

Bush? Nixon? Oh, you said dictators, not almost or hopeful
dictators. My mistake.









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2006-06-25 Thread authfriend
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  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk 
shempmcgurk@ 
  wrote:
  snip
   Because
   He didn't comply with inspections
   So right or wrong information
   On whether there was WMD
   Is moot
   When all Saddy Baby had to do
   Was let us in
   And inspect
   Which he didn't do
  
  Of course, he *did* let the inspectors in.
 
 I see.
 
 Silly United Nations passing those 17 resolutions when Saddam was 
 so co-operative.

You know, Shemp, somebody who doesn't know you
very well might think you're just outrageously
stupid rather than outrageously dishonest.

Actually, you're both.  You're outrageously
stupid to think anybody is going to believe your
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[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Free Saddam Hussein'

2006-06-25 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ 
 wrote:
snip
  For Bush to say Saddam wouldn't let them in is simply a lie.
 
 
 Now THAT'S a novel experience: reading that Judy is calling someone 
 a liar.

Perhaps if you didn't lie so much, you wouldn't find
the experience so familiar.







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[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Free Saddam Hussein'

2006-06-25 Thread authfriend
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wrote:
snip

 Judy never met a mass-murdering dictator she didn't like.

The only way to convince Shemp you don't care for
mass-murdering dictators is to be willing to lie
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 'Free Saddam Hussein'

2006-06-25 Thread MDixon6569





Notice the dates on each of these press conferences, well 
after the invasion. Everybody knew the UN had been in Iraq looking for WMDs. 
Also, everybody knew Saddam had expelled inspectors before and eventually let 
them back in. Also obviously, everybody knew Bush pulled out the inspectors 
before the hostilities began. So the context in which Bush was saying "they 
wouldn't let inspectors in" was, they wouldn't let inspectors in unfettered to 
do their jobs or without trying to interfere. The big complaint at the time was 
the shell game Saddam wastrying to play or give the appearance of 
playing. So it is easy to call Bush a liar in this instance if you take his 
comments out of context. One thing Bush's political enemies constantly criticize 
him about are his communication skills and obviously the lack of clarification 
in his comments opened him up to attack, calling him a liar. But I think anybody 
with half a brain that has kept up with the conflict and is not a Bush hater 
knows exactly what was meant in those press conference 
statements.
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[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Free Saddam Hussein'

2006-06-25 Thread new_morning_blank_slate
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ 
 wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ 
  wrote:
 snip
   For Bush to say Saddam wouldn't let them in is simply a lie.
  
  
  Now THAT'S a novel experience: reading that Judy is calling someone 
  a liar.
 
 Perhaps if you didn't lie so much, you wouldn't find
 the experience so familiar.

Lets put up to scientific scrutiny: Does i) shemp's nose
progressively grow longer, and/or ii) are his pants indeed on fire?
Submit articles for peer review to the Journal of Infancy Insults,
1008 InYourFace Lane, University of UpYourAss, Poodunk, FU, 6, USA.

  






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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 'Free Saddam Hussein'

2006-06-25 Thread MDixon6569






In a message dated 6/25/06 12:00:21 P.M. Central Daylight Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

  
  
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED].. wrote:  In a message dated 6/25/06 
  10:53:56 A.M. Central Daylight Time,  [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: 
   Instead, he noted, "We had made a rapid start. We did not have 
  any obstacles from the Iraqi side in going anywhere. They gave us 
   prompt access and we were in a great many places all over 
  Iraq."  Again I would like to know when and where Blix said 
  this.He said it to the BBC the previous day (March 19, 
  2003):http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/2867913.stmI 
  notice you snipped this from my Consaon quote:Yesterday [March 19, 
  2003], the New York Times reported that the Pentagon has prepared an 
  elaborate mission to find and test suspected chemical and biological 
  weapons sites. Military sources told Judith Miller that they have a list 
  of between 300 and 1,400 sites.Apparently the information to be used 
  by the Pentagon teams wasn't disclosed to Hans Blix. Indeed, he told the 
  BBC that his inspectors had been dispatched on several pointless 
  excursions by American intelligence. Would the Bush administration have 
  withheld useful information and intentionally sent the U.N. inspectors 
  elsewhere? Then when the U.N. teams found nothing, the inspection process 
  could be declared a failure."I'm very curious to see if they [the 
  U.S.] find something in Iraq," said Blix 
drily.

Quite frankly I don't think the Bush administration trusted 
Blix to be able to find anything and since Blix notified the Iraqi's in 
advance of which buildings and sites he was going to, that gave the Iraqis the 
opportunity to move things or sanitize the site before he got there. Obviously 
the Pentagon wasn't going to tip off the Iraqis via Hans Blix with ever 
suspected site so they could be cleaned up before 
inspection.
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 'Free Saddam Hussein'

2006-06-25 Thread MDixon6569






In a message dated 6/25/06 12:00:21 P.M. Central Daylight Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
In a 
  message dated 6/25/06 10:53:56 A.M. Central Daylight Time,  [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  writes:  Instead, he noted, "We had made a rapid start. We did 
  not have any obstacles from the Iraqi side in going anywhere. They 
  gave us  prompt access and we were in a great many places all over 
  Iraq."  Again I would like to know when and where Blix said 
  this.He said it to the BBC the previous day (March 19, 
  2003):http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/2867913.stmI 
  notice you snipped this from my Consaon quote:

Sorry, I did not make myself clear here. What was the context 
in which this quote is taken,not the time or place of the quote. Blix may have 
been right at one point about not being interfered with. But that obviously 
changed or he is a liar. Too many people have come away complaining of Iraqi 
interference in doing the UN inspections and I remember Blix complaining of the 
same in interviews he gave in the media. 
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 'Free Saddam Hussein'

2006-06-25 Thread MDixon6569






In a message dated 6/25/06 12:06:10 P.M. Central Daylight Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

  
  
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
  "shempmcgurk" shempmcgurk@...wrote:  
  Judy never met a mass-murdering dictator she didn't like.Bush? Nixon? 
  Oh, you said "dictators", not "almost or hopefuldictators". My 
  mistake.

You conveniently left Bill Clinton out ofthis. Remember 
thousands of innocent Serbian civiliansbombed in order to reduce the 
possibility of an American pilot being shot down while attacking military 
targets, mostly cardboard tanks, from a height of over 30,000 
feet.
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 'Free Saddam Hussein'

2006-06-25 Thread MDixon6569






In a message dated 6/25/06 1:09:54 P.M. Central Daylight Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

  
  In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
  "shempmcgurk" shempmcgurk@... wrote: --- In 
  FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
  "authfriend" jstein@  wrote:   --- In 
  FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
  "shempmcgurk" shempmcgurk@   wrote:  
  snip   Because   He didn't comply with 
  inspections   So right or wrong information   
  On whether there was WMD   Is moot   When all 
  Saddy Baby had to do   Was let us in   And 
  inspect   Which he didn't doOf 
  course, he *did* let the inspectors in.  I see. 
   Silly United Nations passing those 17 resolutions when Saddam was 
   so co-operative.You know, Shemp, somebody who doesn't know 
  youvery well might think you're just outrageouslystupid rather than 
  outrageously dishonest.Actually, you're both. You're 
  outrageouslystupid to think anybody is going to believe youroutrageous 
  falsehoods. 

Judy I'm sorry, But I find nothing stupid or dishonest about 
anything Shemp has commented on this post. There were 17 resolutions passed 
concerning the matter and Saddam did little or nothing to co-operate unless he 
was forced to do so.
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[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Free Saddam Hussein'

2006-06-25 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Notice the dates on each of these press conferences, well  after 
 the invasion.

duh

 Everybody knew the UN had been in Iraq looking for WMDs.  Also, 
 everybody knew Saddam had expelled inspectors before and eventually 
 let  them back in. Also obviously, everybody knew Bush pulled out 
 the inspectors  before the hostilities began. So the context in 
 which Bush was saying they  wouldn't let inspectors in was, they 
 wouldn't let inspectors in unfettered to  do their jobs or without 
 trying to interfere. The big complaint at the time was  the shell 
 game Saddam was trying to play or give the appearance of   playing. 
 So it is easy to call Bush a liar in this instance if you take his  
 comments out of context.

The comments were not taken out of context.

Even Bush is smart enough to say He wouldn't let the
inspectors do their jobs instead of He wouldn't let
the inspectors in if that's what he wanted people to
understand.

And it wasn't just a slip of the tongue; he said it
*at least three times*, at formal White House press
conferences, no less.

It isn't just me and Joe Conason.  Even the Washington
Post remarked on Bush's misstatement:

The president's assertion that the war began because Iraq did not 
admit inspectors appeared to contradict the events leading up to war 
this spring: Hussein had, in fact, admitted the inspectors and Bush 
had opposed extending their work because he did not believe them 
effective.

And again, according to Blix--the man who was there--
the inspectors were *not* having any trouble getting
access to the sites they wanted to see.  It was the
Bush administration that was trying to sabotage their
work, not Saddam.

Sorry, but you just can't spin Bush out of this one.


 
 One thing Bush's political enemies constantly criticize  him about 
are his 
 communication skills and obviously the lack of clarification  in 
his comments 
 opened him up to attack, calling him a liar. But I think anybody  
with half a 
 brain that has kept up with the conflict and is not a Bush hater  
knows exactly 
 what was meant in those press conference  statements.







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[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Free Saddam Hussein'

2006-06-25 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  
 In a message dated 6/25/06 12:00:21 P.M. Central Daylight Time,  
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
 
  
  
 --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
(mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com) 
 ,  MDixon6569@,  MDi
 
  
  In a message dated 6/25/06  10:53:56 A.M. Central Daylight Time, 
  jstein@ writes:
   
  Instead, he noted, We had made a rapid start. We did not have  
any
  obstacles from the Iraqi side in going anywhere. They gave us  
  prompt access and we were in a great many places all over  Iraq.
  
  Again I would like to know when and where Blix said  this.
 
 He said it to the BBC the previous day (March 19,  2003):
 
 _http://news.http://newhttp://newshttp://news.http://news_ 
 (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/2867913.stm) 
 
 I  notice you snipped this from my Consaon quote:
 
 Yesterday [March 19,  2003], the New York Times reported that the 
 Pentagon has prepared an  elaborate mission to find and test 
suspected 
 chemical and biological  weapons sites. Military sources told 
Judith 
 Miller that they have a list  of between 300 and 1,400 sites.
 
 Apparently the information to be used  by the Pentagon teams wasn't 
 disclosed to Hans Blix. Indeed, he told the  BBC that his 
inspectors 
 had been dispatched on several pointless  excursions by American 
 intelligence. Would the Bush administration have  withheld useful 
 information and intentionally sent the U.N. inspectors  elsewhere? 
 Then when the U.N. teams found nothing, the inspection process  
could 
 be declared a failure.
 
 I'm very curious to see if they [the  U.S.] find something in 
Iraq, 
 said Blix  drily.
 
 Quite frankly I don't think the Bush administration trusted  Blix  
to be able 
 to find anything and since Blix notified the Iraqi's in  advance of 
which 
 buildings and sites he was going to, that gave the Iraqis the  
opportunity to 
 move things or sanitize the site before he got there. Obviously  
the Pentagon 
 wasn't going to tip off the Iraqis via Hans Blix with ever  
suspected site so 
 they could be cleaned up before  inspection.

Oh, please, M.  When are you going to wake up and smell
the coffee?








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[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Free Saddam Hussein'

2006-06-25 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  
 In a message dated 6/25/06 12:00:21 P.M. Central Daylight Time,  
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
 
 In a  message dated 6/25/06 10:53:56 A.M. Central Daylight Time, 
  jstein@  writes:
  
  Instead, he noted, We had made a rapid start. We did  not have 
any
  obstacles from the Iraqi side in going anywhere. They  gave us 
  prompt access and we were in a great many places all over  Iraq.
  
  Again I would like to know when and where Blix said  this.
 
 He said it to the BBC the previous day (March 19,  2003):
 
 _http://news.http://newhttp://newshttp://news.http://news_ 
 (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/2867913.stm) 
 
 I  notice you snipped this from my Consaon quote:
 
 Sorry, I did not make myself clear here. What was the context  in 
which this 
 quote is taken,not the time or place of the quote.

I gave you a link to the whole BBC interview!  What
more context could you want?

 Blix may have  been right 
 at one point about not being interfered with. But that obviously  
changed

At one point??  The interview took place *after the
invasion*.

 or he 
 is a liar. Too many people have come away complaining of Iraqi  
interference 
 in doing the UN inspections and I remember Blix complaining of the  
same in 
 interviews he gave in the media.

You'd better check your memory banks and see when he
made those complaints.  And how many of the complaints
from too many people came via the Bush administration?

Remember, it was in the administration's interest to
portray Saddam as not letting the inspectors do their
jobs.  Likewise it was in the administration's interest
to portray Blix as somehow incompetent.

And finally, remember that Blix was *correct*: The weapons
they were looking for did not exist.  Saddam had been
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[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Free Saddam Hussein'

2006-06-25 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  
 In a message dated 6/25/06 1:09:54 P.M. Central Daylight Time,  
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
 
  
 In [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
(mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com) ,  
 shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 wrote:
 
  --- In  [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 (mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com) ,  authfriend jstein@ 
  wrote:
  
   --- In  [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 (mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com) ,  shempmcgurk 
 shempmcgurk@ 
   wrote:
snip
Because
He didn't comply with  inspections
So right or wrong information
 On whether there was WMD
Is moot
When all  Saddy Baby had to do
Was let us in
And  inspect
Which he didn't do
   
   Of  course, he *did* let the inspectors in.
  
  I see.
   
  Silly United Nations passing those 17 resolutions when Saddam
  was so co-operative.
 
 You know, Shemp, somebody who doesn't know  you
 very well might think you're just outrageously
 stupid rather than  outrageously dishonest.
 
 Actually, you're both. You're  outrageously
 stupid to think anybody is going to believe your
 outrageous  falsehoods.
 
 Judy I'm sorry, But I find nothing stupid or dishonest about  
anything Shemp 
 has commented on this post. There were 17 resolutions passed  
concerning the 
 matter and Saddam did little or nothing to co-operate unless he  
was forced to 
 do so.

No, M., sorry, *in context* (you're a big fan of context,
right?) Shemp's response was outrageously dishonest.  That
Saddam had not let inspectors in *at other times* is
irrelevant to the fact that he *had* let them in during the
period Bush was talking about when he said (three times)
that Saddam hadn't let the inspectors in.

That you can't see Shemp's remark was dishonest certainly
fits the pattern of your inability to see Bush's dishonesty.









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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 'Free Saddam Hussein'

2006-06-25 Thread MDixon6569






In a message dated 6/25/06 2:42:54 P.M. Central Daylight Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
. Even 
  the WashingtonPost remarked on Bush's 
misstatement:

That's my point. Misstatements. Obviously Bush was 
meaningSaddam didn't allow the UN inspectors in unfettered, because 
it was clear they were thereand had been there. It was on the front page 
of the news almost everyday.
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[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Free Saddam Hussein'

2006-06-25 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  
 In a message dated 6/25/06 2:42:54 P.M. Central Daylight Time,  
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 . Even  the Washington
 Post remarked on Bush's  misstatement:
 
 That's my point. Misstatements. Obviously Bush was  meaning Saddam 
 didn't allow the UN inspectors  in unfettered,

No, it's not obvious at all, especially not after he
made the same claim three separate times.

 because  it was clear 
 they were there and had been there. It was on the front page  of the 
 news almost everyday.

So was the fact that there was no connection between
Saddam and 9/11, yet the administration has continued
to try to make that connection in the public's mind,
with a great deal of success.

Bush even made the connection *this year* in his State
of the Union.

What you don't seem able to recognize is that this
administration has no qualms whatsoever about misleading
and deceiving the public.







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[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Free Saddam Hussein'

2006-06-24 Thread shempmcgurk
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robert Gimbel [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:

 Free Saddam Hussein;
   Both of his sons are dead;
   And he is an old man now;
   Tired and burned out.
   Let him save his country from civil war;
   Before he dies;
   He never killed as many as we have;
   So, we've failed to bring the American Style democracy;
   But the hatreds go to deep;
   We had a civil war too;
   North and South;
   The bloodiest to date.
   Let them fight it out,
   Amongst themselves.

   R.Gimbel   Philadelphia,PA.
 
   
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Having just read
The article linked from here
On Timothy Leary
I can only imagine
That Nimbel Gimbel
Is heavily sedated
On mind-altering
Drugs






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