[FairfieldLife] Re: A friend's response to Bird Flu - Healthy News Article from Mercola.com

2005-11-16 Thread markmeredith2002

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings 
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 

  Nonsense. Y2k bug  never was. You can try to justify your previous 
  faith in it, but there never was a threat.
  
  Bird flu will all blow over in less than a year, and when it does 
  you will be stuck with the name in your brainOff_world_beings.

Like Y2K, the bird flu issue is most certainly real, though the hype
about it may not be - the question is how lethal the mutated strain
that can pass from human to human will be.  I wasn't worried about Y2K
because I saw the world markets weren't in Dec, 1999 - not that the
problem never existed but that corporations had adequately dealt with
it to avoid major problems.  Still a little early for financial
markets to react to bird flu.

From Wikipedia, on Y2K.  

In the end, significant disasters such as nuclear reactor meltdowns or
plane crashes did not occur, but the number of non-critical Y2K errors
encountered on January 1, 2000 was extensive. Due to the lack of
disasters and the faulty end of the world expectations, the public
largely, but perhaps wrongly, regarded the Y2K passage as a non-event.

Ironically, many people were upset that there appeared to be so much
hype over nothing, because the vast majority of problems had been
fixed correctly. Some critics have suggested that much preventive
effort was unnecessary. Their argument is it would have been cheaper
not to spend as much examining non-critical systems for flaws and
simply fix the few that would have failed after the event. The
argument of their opponents is that, had it not been for such efforts,
the problem would have been much worse and widespread.

For those not involved in the preventive effort, the conclusion that
all the efforts have been a waste was easy to draw, as they had no
knowledge of the countless systems that had been corrected, but had
only witnessed the problems that had not been fixed in time. Also, few
of them realized that fixing the problems afterwards would have been
much harder as active millennium problems would have complicated
matters. But in any case, for many systems the checking procedure
involved replacement with new, improved functionality and thus in many
cases the expenditure proved useful regardless.





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[FairfieldLife] Re: A friend's response to Bird Flu - Healthy News Article from Mercola.com

2005-11-16 Thread off_world_beings
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings 
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  wrote:
  
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings 
   [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   
 This is not the chicken little
 yk2 shit.  The agreement amongst scientist that this is 
the 
 greatest danger humanity has ever faced is universal

Not true. This is typical mis-quoting. Scientists have said 
 that 
  it 
COULD pose the greatest threat, IF it mutates,and then only 
IF 
  it is
a strain that is effortlessly and easily spread from human 
to 
human, and IF it is deadly in such a scenario. IF all these 
4 
hurdles are met, THEN it COULD pose a big threat to society.
   
   However, there seems to be a great deal of agreement
   among the experts that it is *likely* that all four
   hurdles will be met.  And if they are, the potential
   consequences would be so devastating that we can't just
   sit back and say, Well, but it might not happen.
  
  
  I might get hit on the head by a meteorite if I step outside the 
  door. 
  The BMA article was suggesting it was just hypothetical and not 
  likely.
  
   
I bet your friend there WAS a true believer in Y2K disaster. 
I 
  bet 
he still has stocks of steamed rice and tinned garbonzo 
beans 
  left 
over from the stockpile he made before Y2k.
   
   Maybe.  But the difference is that we took very
   effective measures to *keep* Y2K from being a 
   disaster.  Had we not, it could well have been.
  
  
  Nonsense. Y2k bug  never was. You can try to justify your 
previous 
  faith in it, but there never was a threat.
  
  Bird flu will all blow over in less than a year, and when it 
does 
  you will be stuck with the name in your 
brainOff_world_beings.
 

 I think I'd prefer the bird flu, actually.

What bird flu?

Off_world_beings





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[FairfieldLife] Re: A friend's response to Bird Flu - Healthy News Article from Mercola.com

2005-11-16 Thread off_world_beings
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, markmeredith2002 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  
 
   Nonsense. Y2k bug  never was. You can try to justify your 
previous 
   faith in it, but there never was a threat.
   
   Bird flu will all blow over in less than a year, and when it 
does 
   you will be stuck with the name in your 
brainOff_world_beings.
 
 Like Y2K, the bird flu issue is most certainly real, though the 
hype
 about it may not be - the question is how lethal the mutated strain
 that can pass from human to human will be.  I wasn't worried about 
Y2K
 because I saw the world markets weren't in Dec, 1999 - not that the
 problem never existed but that corporations had adequately dealt 
with
 it to avoid major problems.  Still a little early for financial
 markets to react to bird flu.
 
 From Wikipedia, on Y2K.  
 
 In the end, significant disasters such as nuclear reactor 
meltdowns or
 plane crashes did not occur, but the number of non-critical Y2K 
errors
 encountered on January 1, 2000 was extensive. Due to the lack of
 disasters and the faulty end of the world expectations, the 
public
 largely, but perhaps wrongly, regarded the Y2K passage as a non-
event.

It was not an issue. A few computers may have blinked, with or 
without the intervention. 

Off_world_beings





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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: A friend's response to Bird Flu - Healthy News Article from Mercola.com

2005-11-16 Thread Rick Archer
on 11/16/05 7:58 AM, off_world_beings at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 From Wikipedia, on Y2K.
 
 In the end, significant disasters such as nuclear reactor
 meltdowns or
 plane crashes did not occur, but the number of non-critical Y2K
 errors
 encountered on January 1, 2000 was extensive. Due to the lack of
 disasters and the faulty end of the world expectations, the
 public
 largely, but perhaps wrongly, regarded the Y2K passage as a non-
 event.
 
 It was not an issue. A few computers may have blinked, with or
 without the intervention.

Sounds like an opinion to me. Can you back it up with facts or statements
from an authoritative source?




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[FairfieldLife] Re: A friend's response to Bird Flu - Healthy News Article from Mercola.com

2005-11-15 Thread jim_flanegin
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 I sent an old Fairfield friend a link to
 http://www.mercola.com/display/router.aspx?docid=31303 and this 
was his
 response:
 
 This is retarded.never has there been a bird flu that has 
effected so
 many multiple millions of birds and over such a large geographic 
area. THERE
 HAS NEVER BEEN A CASE WHEN A PANDEMIC FLU AMONGST BIRDS HAS NOT 
SPREAD TO
 HUMANS.  When bird handlers in poor parts of the world and in 
indigenous
 populations (where they contract the bird flu from water supply, 
lakes,
 rivers etc) have contact with the virus from infected birds, while 
at the
 same time being infected with an ordinary flu, then the ordinary 
flu teaches
 the bird flu how to transfer from human to human. The petri dish 
for stewing
 a lethal combination of regular flu with bird flu has never been 
greater and
 is about to be global in one years time. From an unbiased 
scientific
 perspective it is ABSOLUTELY INEVITABLE that the jump will occur.  
It will
 be here in America... and most likely Iowa...within a year.
 
 If you are spreading this pacifying bullshit in order to ease 
peoples
 mindsor in order to berate the government or established 
medical
 authorities because of your notions that they are ALL corrupt and 
money
 crazed and want to control the population with fear etcthen 
you are
 being HIGHLY IRRESPONSIBLE  and frankly just plan stupid.   You 
could end up
 being the cause of the DEATHS of a lot of folk who already are in 
denial
 that something so horrifying could possibly be in the making.  
They will
 relax about the whole thing, instead of being properly prepared, 
and the
 result will be their undoing.
 
 I wish this thing were not going to happenwe are all going to 
eat shit
 sandwiches even if we're well prepared.  But NOT to prepare for 
such a
 culture buster, even if the likelihood of it happening were only 
to be 50%
 and not 100%, would be highly irresponsible.  This is not the 
chicken little
 yk2 shit.  The agreement amongst scientist that this is the 
greatest danger
 humanity has ever faced is universalgovernments are only now 
beginning
 to get the balls to address this crisis, and in a very understated 
way, to
 their respective populations.   So for Christ sake don't make the 
job of
 getting folks prepared any harder.  They are going to hear stuff 
from the
 media that will stir them to want to do something.  They are going 
to need
 to plan to have food, on hand, for 6 months to a yeargrains 
that they
 can sprout etc.  And they are going to need to have somethings, on 
hand,
 that will dumb down the flu so it isn't so virulent.
 
 If we do not prepare then our gooses will be cooked.
 
 PS  If this thing doesn't happen, by some miracle, then everyone 
is invited
 to my place for steamed rice and sprouted garbonzo beans.


So there are two sides to every *story*. My experience is that 
science is wrong much more often than it is right. I still don't see 
this thing 'bird flu' happening...





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[FairfieldLife] Re: A friend's response to Bird Flu - Healthy News Article from Mercola.com

2005-11-15 Thread off_world_beings
 This is not the chicken little
 yk2 shit.  The agreement amongst scientist that this is the 
greatest danger
 humanity has ever faced is universal


Not true. This is typical mis-quoting. Scientists have said that it 
COULD pose the greatest threat, IF it mutates,and then only IF it is
a strain that is effortlessly and easily spread from human to human, 
and IF it is deadly in such a scenario. IF all these 4 hurdles are 
met, THEN it COULD pose a big threat to society.

I bet your friend there WAS a true believer in Y2K disaster. I bet 
he still has stocks of steamed rice and tinned garbonzo beans left 
over from the stockpile he made before Y2k.

At worst the bird flu will make it faster to get through shopping 
lines in the supermarket due to there being a few less old ladies 
who will have moved on to better dimensions and higher worlds of 
bliss.

OffWorld







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[FairfieldLife] Re: A friend's response to Bird Flu - Healthy News Article from Mercola.com

2005-11-15 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  This is not the chicken little
  yk2 shit.  The agreement amongst scientist that this is the 
  greatest danger humanity has ever faced is universal
 
 Not true. This is typical mis-quoting. Scientists have said that it 
 COULD pose the greatest threat, IF it mutates,and then only IF it is
 a strain that is effortlessly and easily spread from human to 
 human, and IF it is deadly in such a scenario. IF all these 4 
 hurdles are met, THEN it COULD pose a big threat to society.

However, there seems to be a great deal of agreement
among the experts that it is *likely* that all four
hurdles will be met.  And if they are, the potential
consequences would be so devastating that we can't just
sit back and say, Well, but it might not happen.

 I bet your friend there WAS a true believer in Y2K disaster. I bet 
 he still has stocks of steamed rice and tinned garbonzo beans left 
 over from the stockpile he made before Y2k.

Maybe.  But the difference is that we took very
effective measures to *keep* Y2K from being a 
disaster.  Had we not, it could well have been.

It wasn't chicken little, but it wasn't chopped
liver either.

 At worst the bird flu will make it faster to get through shopping 
 lines in the supermarket due to there being a few less old ladies 
 who will have moved on to better dimensions and higher worlds of 
 bliss.

Actually bird flu, if it mutates, is more likely to
kill off younger people, because it triggers a very
severe and uncontrolled immune response so powerful
it can end up destroying the lungs.  The more vigorous
and healthy the immune system is, the more likely
this is to happen.

This is one reason why the 1918 flu was so devastating.
But scientists are currently working on a new drug that
has the potential to curb this response.

If you'd like to know more, Google the term cytokine
storm.  Here's a good place to start, a bit technical
but not too bad:

http://www.cytokinestorm.com/






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[FairfieldLife] Re: A friend's response to Bird Flu - Healthy News Article from Mercola.com

2005-11-15 Thread sparaig
The only reason why Y2K wasn't a huge disaster was that the 
governments and businesses spent billions of dollars preparing for it.


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  This is not the chicken little
  yk2 shit.  The agreement amongst scientist that this is the 
 greatest danger
  humanity has ever faced is universal
 
 
 Not true. This is typical mis-quoting. Scientists have said that it 
 COULD pose the greatest threat, IF it mutates,and then only IF it is
 a strain that is effortlessly and easily spread from human to 
human, 
 and IF it is deadly in such a scenario. IF all these 4 hurdles are 
 met, THEN it COULD pose a big threat to society.
 
 I bet your friend there WAS a true believer in Y2K disaster. I bet 
 he still has stocks of steamed rice and tinned garbonzo beans left 
 over from the stockpile he made before Y2k.
 
 At worst the bird flu will make it faster to get through shopping 
 lines in the supermarket due to there being a few less old ladies 
 who will have moved on to better dimensions and higher worlds of 
 bliss.
 
 OffWorld







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[FairfieldLife] Re: A friend's response to Bird Flu - Healthy News Article from Mercola.com

2005-11-15 Thread off_world_beings
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings 
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
   This is not the chicken little
   yk2 shit.  The agreement amongst scientist that this is the 
   greatest danger humanity has ever faced is universal
  
  Not true. This is typical mis-quoting. Scientists have said that 
it 
  COULD pose the greatest threat, IF it mutates,and then only IF 
it is
  a strain that is effortlessly and easily spread from human to 
  human, and IF it is deadly in such a scenario. IF all these 4 
  hurdles are met, THEN it COULD pose a big threat to society.
 
 However, there seems to be a great deal of agreement
 among the experts that it is *likely* that all four
 hurdles will be met.  And if they are, the potential
 consequences would be so devastating that we can't just
 sit back and say, Well, but it might not happen.


I might get hit on the head by a meteorite if I step outside the 
door. 
The BMA article was suggesting it was just hypothetical and not 
likely.

 
  I bet your friend there WAS a true believer in Y2K disaster. I 
bet 
  he still has stocks of steamed rice and tinned garbonzo beans 
left 
  over from the stockpile he made before Y2k.
 
 Maybe.  But the difference is that we took very
 effective measures to *keep* Y2K from being a 
 disaster.  Had we not, it could well have been.


Nonsense. Y2k bug  never was. You can try to justify your previous 
faith in it, but there never was a threat.

Bird flu will all blow over in less than a year, and when it does 
you will be stuck with the name in your brainOff_world_beings.









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[FairfieldLife] Re: A friend's response to Bird Flu - Healthy News Article from Mercola.com

2005-11-15 Thread off_world_beings
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 The only reason why Y2K wasn't a huge disaster was that the 
 governments and businesses spent billions of dollars preparing for 
it.


Nonsense. Y2k bug never was. You can try to justify your previous
faith in it, but there never was a threat.

Bird flu will all blow over in less than a year, and when it does
you will be stuck with the name in your brainOff_world_beings.

OffWorld





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[FairfieldLife] Re: A friend's response to Bird Flu - Healthy News Article from Mercola.com

2005-11-15 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  
This is not the chicken little
yk2 shit.  The agreement amongst scientist that this is the 
greatest danger humanity has ever faced is universal
   
   Not true. This is typical mis-quoting. Scientists have said 
that 
 it 
   COULD pose the greatest threat, IF it mutates,and then only IF 
 it is
   a strain that is effortlessly and easily spread from human to 
   human, and IF it is deadly in such a scenario. IF all these 4 
   hurdles are met, THEN it COULD pose a big threat to society.
  
  However, there seems to be a great deal of agreement
  among the experts that it is *likely* that all four
  hurdles will be met.  And if they are, the potential
  consequences would be so devastating that we can't just
  sit back and say, Well, but it might not happen.
 
 
 I might get hit on the head by a meteorite if I step outside the 
 door. 
 The BMA article was suggesting it was just hypothetical and not 
 likely.
 
  
   I bet your friend there WAS a true believer in Y2K disaster. I 
 bet 
   he still has stocks of steamed rice and tinned garbonzo beans 
 left 
   over from the stockpile he made before Y2k.
  
  Maybe.  But the difference is that we took very
  effective measures to *keep* Y2K from being a 
  disaster.  Had we not, it could well have been.
 
 
 Nonsense. Y2k bug  never was. You can try to justify your previous 
 faith in it, but there never was a threat.
 
 Bird flu will all blow over in less than a year, and when it does 
 you will be stuck with the name in your brainOff_world_beings.

I think I'd prefer the bird flu, actually.







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