Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: About Nov. 30 and the TM movement

2014-10-16 Thread nablusoss1008

 The CIA would not do their job on behalf of the american taxpayers if they did 
not check the Movement properly. Keep in mind that Rajneesh was about to go 
nuts in Oregon with hundreds of armed guards and in 1993 four people were shot 
dead during the siege in Wacko, Texas. Naturally they were on their toes.
 When Rajneesh was arrested Maharishi commented; He is really surrounded by the 
CIA. As if what we were experiencing was nothing compared to what Rajneesh had 
to go through, their involment there was obviously much more intense than 
towards the Movement. They had tried the same tactics on himself but failed 
utterly as Maharishi would change travel arrangements in the last minute. 
 

 Unfortunately it did not stop with simply trying to find out what the Movement 
was up to and they moved the operation into one that should hurt the Movement 
by spreading rumors, much like Rick Archer is doing today, planting false 
articles in the press, and assassination attempts that had no way of succeeding 
as Maharishi simply would not be present where and when they thought he would. 
 

 But at least they were worthy opponents, unlike the desperately look-at-me 
channellers of today.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote :


 well, of course they infiltrated the group.  to what extent, I  have no idea.  
just like they probably infiltrate any number of organizations. 

 try to enlighten your friend Barry, that this type of thing is done.
 

 the scenario Nabby puts forth sounds a little extreme, but I have no idea.  
 

 I was not aware of the things he describes.  On the other hand, I was in 
Seelisberg only one time.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote :

 First off, I am willing to believe the CIA did send folks to check on what 
Marshy was doing since they and our FBI have certainly infiltrated many a group 
to see what they were about. 

 

 But you seem to allege that there were dozens of agents - not likely maybe one 
or two but Marshy never merited that kind of attention that would require 
dozens of CIA agents.
 

 Plus the way you tell it, Movement security (which has always been a joke in 
every Movement facility I was ever in, and that includes your German Purusha 
Nazi types who wear swastikas under their ties and celebrate Uncle Adolph's 
birthday) that means Movement security was way more savvy and astute than 
trained CIA agents??? Not likely.

 

 
 From: nablusoss1008 no_re...@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2014 11:39 AM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: About Nov. 30 and the TM movement
 
 
   Nablusoss1008 believes this because Maharishi believed it.  :-)
 

 Nonsense. I don't believe in it, I know it happened because I was part of it. 
Even one of my friends was caught red-handed with a letter to his accounting 
officer and quickly admitted to having work for the German intelligence, which 
at the time was just a subdivision of the CIA. Maharishi simply asked him if he 
would break the ties, he did and is fulltime in the Movement to this day.


 


 













Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: About Nov. 30 and the TM movement

2014-10-16 Thread Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]

planting false articles in the press

Show them to us.




 From: nablusoss1008 no_re...@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2014 3:19 AM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: About Nov. 30 and the TM movement
 


  


The CIA would not do their job on behalf of the american taxpayers if they did 
not check the Movement properly. Keep in mind that Rajneesh was about to go 
nuts in Oregon with hundreds of armed guards and in 1993 four people were shot 
dead during the siege in Wacko, Texas. Naturally they were on their toes.
When Rajneesh was arrested Maharishi commented; He is really surrounded by the 
CIA. As if what we were experiencing was nothing compared to what Rajneesh had 
to go through, their involment there was obviously much more intense than 
towards the Movement. They had tried the same tactics on himself but failed 
utterly as Maharishi would change travel arrangements in the last minute. 

Unfortunately it did not stop with simply trying to find out what the Movement 
was up to and they moved the operation into one that should hurt the Movement 
by spreading rumors, much like Rick Archer is doing today, planting false 
articles in the press, and assassination attempts that had no way of succeeding 
as Maharishi simply would not be present where and when they thought he would. 

But at least they were worthy opponents, unlike the desperately look-at-me 
channellers of today.


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote :


well, of course they infiltrated the group.  to what extent, I  have no idea.  
just like they probably infiltrate any number of organizations.

try to enlighten your friend Barry, that this type of thing is done.

the scenario Nabby puts forth sounds a little extreme, but I have no idea.  

I was not aware of the things he describes.  On the other hand, I was in 
Seelisberg only one time.



---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote :


First off, I am willing to believe the CIA did send folks to check on what 
Marshy was doing since they and our FBI have certainly infiltrated many a group 
to see what they were about. 


But you seem to allege that there were dozens of agents - not likely maybe one 
or two but Marshy never merited that kind of attention that would require 
dozens of CIA agents.

Plus the way you tell it, Movement security (which has always been a joke in 
every Movement facility I was ever in, and that includes your German Purusha 
Nazi types who wear swastikas under their ties and celebrate Uncle Adolph's 
birthday) that means Movement security was way more savvy and astute than 
trained CIA agents??? Not likely.


From: nablusoss1008
no_re...@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2014 11:39 AM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: About Nov. 30 and the TM movement



 
Nablusoss1008 believes this because Maharishi believed it.  :-)

Nonsense. I don't believe in it, I know it happened because I was part of it. 
Even one of my friends was caught red-handed with a letter to his accounting 
officer and quickly admitted to having work for the German intelligence, which 
at the time was just a subdivision of the CIA. Maharishi simply asked him if he 
would break the ties, he did and is fulltime in the Movement to this day.





Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: About Nov. 30 and the TM movement

2014-10-16 Thread fleetwood_macnche...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
I'll bet Barry's lurking reporters are a couple of out of work twenty year 
olds, having him on. We are all waiting for the cult 'expose' - LOL
  
 [Tiffany, from The Washington Post]: Turq, this will blow the doors off 
the TMO. We have formed a committee to discuss all of the points you have 
raised.
  
 [Turq]: No problem - That's my thang! Maharishi sux - lol
  
 [Tiffany, from The Washington Post]: He sure does - lol
  
 [Chuck, from The York Times]: This is perfect - All we need is a little 
more upfront funding, and you'll make Snowden look like peanuts.
  
 [Turq]: I'll show those bastards!
  
 [Tiffany, from The Washington Post]: You sure will!
  
 [Chuck, from The York Times]: Absofuckinglutely!! Now, we received the two 
hundred bucks, for story copyright, though we will need another five hundred, 
for the movie rights - Spielberg is having a look - This is gunna be huge!
  
 [Turq]: I am wiring the funds as we speak, Sir!! Do you really think I'll be 
notorious, like you promised??
  
 [Chuck, from The York Times]: Global bad-ass, Guaranteed! We can help you 
market that, too...
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote :

 Note to Lurking Reporters. 

 Dear RP's.
 

 Does it seem strange that this 70 year old man, Mr. Barry Wright, spends as 
much time as he does trying to find faults in an organization he left some 40 
years ago?
 

 Does it seem odd, that he would become so animated when he finds what he feels 
is an out of whack comment by another member of the forum, as though all the 
time he puts in here, has had some payoff?
 

 Does it, again, seem odd, that another member here, Mr. Michael Jackson, seems 
to have taken on, as a part of his life mission uncovering all the faults of 
the TM organization and it's founder, repeating the same lines over and over 
each day?
 

 Dear Mr. and Ms. Lurking Reporters.  Please reveal yourselves, and weight in 
on some of issues and behaviors you observe here.
 

 One word of caution though. If you response does not meet with the 
expectations of Mr. Wright, he will turn on you in angry fashion as he did with 
another member here a week or so ago.
 

 If interested, you can re-visit this exchange between Mr. Wright, and a 
Mr.Blue Bungalow.
 

 Mr. Wright went positively ballistic.
 

 Mr. Bungalow, remained nonplussed.
 

 Sort of revealing, I'd say for the guy who claims to be so unattached to 
anything that goes on here.
 

 Just sayin'
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote :

 Got that, lurking reporters? Just the other day a couple of you were asking me 
to document my opinion that many long-term TMers were certifiably paranoid 
and committed to a them vs. us mentality. 

 

 I submit this as the proof you were asking for. Nablusoss1008 believes this 
because Maharishi believed it.  :-)

 

 From: nablusoss1008 no_re...@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2014 5:15 PM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: About Nov. 30 and the TM movement
 
 
   It includes the armed men we caught on the bridge between hotels Sonnenberg 
and Kulm. It also includes dozens of agents that took TTC many of whom went on 
to Purusha. It also includeds Governors so poor that when they waved a few 
thousands dollars in front of their anemic noses they did almost anything to 
make their new masters happy.
 Not that they had to do much, a weekly report sent to their accounting officer 
was all that was needed to adhere to the strict rules of economic 
self-suffisciency always present within the Movement. So when we started 
looking, which included asking a few questions in the countries they came from, 
they needed some pretty good explanation to where the money came from.
 Now, that's what I call a real enemy that was always fun to try to track. They 
did it not because they had some screews loose but to protect their country, 
which is a honorable thing to do.
 The wacko's of today has no such honor and cannot touch the Movement.  All 
they'll accomplish is some momentary swelling of ego's already out of control.
 



















Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: About Nov. 30 and the TM movement

2014-10-16 Thread awoelfleba...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fleetwood_macncheese@... wrote :

 I'll bet Barry's lurking reporters are a couple of out of work twenty year 
olds, having him on. We are all waiting for the cult 'expose' - LOL
  
 [Tiffany, from The Washington Post]: Turq, this will blow the doors off 
the TMO. We have formed a committee to discuss all of the points you have 
raised.
  
 [Turq]: No problem - That's my thang! Maharishi sux - lol
  
 [Tiffany, from The Washington Post]: He sure does - lol
  
 [Chuck, from The York Times]: This is perfect - All we need is a little 
more upfront funding, and you'll make Snowden look like peanuts.
  
 [Turq]: I'll show those bastards!
  
 [Tiffany, from The Washington Post]: You sure will!
  
 [Chuck, from The York Times]: Absofuckinglutely!! Now, we received the two 
hundred bucks, for story copyright, though we will need another five hundred, 
for the movie rights - Spielberg is having a look - This is gunna be huge!
  
 [Turq]: I am wiring the funds as we speak, Sir!! Do you really think I'll be 
notorious, like you promised??
  
 [Chuck, from The York Times]: Global bad-ass, Guaranteed! We can help you 
market that, too...
 

 See, bring back the Parody! Good job. I got smacked down by Share who 
apparently doesn't like my parodies as they seem to lead to a mob mentality of 
online bullying in some way. But God, you wrote a good little snippet there. 
You have the knack, Mac.
 

 And I only now saw Steve's post here, another gold star. Kind of like the 
court jester in the old days who always told the sometimes ugly truth with 
laughs and wit and hilarious antics. Underneath the joviality lies what many 
don't want to admit. 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote :

 Note to Lurking Reporters. 

 Dear RP's.
 

 Does it seem strange that this 70 year old man, Mr. Barry Wright, spends as 
much time as he does trying to find faults in an organization he left some 40 
years ago?
 

 Does it seem odd, that he would become so animated when he finds what he feels 
is an out of whack comment by another member of the forum, as though all the 
time he puts in here, has had some payoff?
 

 Does it, again, seem odd, that another member here, Mr. Michael Jackson, seems 
to have taken on, as a part of his life mission uncovering all the faults of 
the TM organization and it's founder, repeating the same lines over and over 
each day?
 

 Dear Mr. and Ms. Lurking Reporters.  Please reveal yourselves, and weight in 
on some of issues and behaviors you observe here.
 

 One word of caution though. If you response does not meet with the 
expectations of Mr. Wright, he will turn on you in angry fashion as he did with 
another member here a week or so ago.
 

 If interested, you can re-visit this exchange between Mr. Wright, and a 
Mr.Blue Bungalow.
 

 Mr. Wright went positively ballistic.
 

 Mr. Bungalow, remained nonplussed.
 

 Sort of revealing, I'd say for the guy who claims to be so unattached to 
anything that goes on here.
 

 Just sayin'
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote :

 Got that, lurking reporters? Just the other day a couple of you were asking me 
to document my opinion that many long-term TMers were certifiably paranoid 
and committed to a them vs. us mentality. 

 

 I submit this as the proof you were asking for. Nablusoss1008 believes this 
because Maharishi believed it.  :-)

 

 

 











Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: About Nov. 30 and the TM movement

2014-10-16 Thread 'Richard J. Williams' pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife]





---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fleetwood_macncheese@... wrote :

I'll bet Barry's lurking reporters are a couple of out of work 
twenty year olds, having him on. We are all waiting for the cult 
'expose' - LOL


[Tiffany, from The Washington Post]: Turq, this will blow the 
doors off the TMO. We have formed a committee to discuss all of the 
points you have raised.


[Turq]: No problem - That's my thang! Maharishi sux - lol

[Tiffany, from The Washington Post]: He sure does - lol

[Chuck, from The York Times]: This is perfect - All we need is a 
little more upfront funding, and you'll make Snowden look like peanuts.


[Turq]: I'll show those bastards!

[Tiffany, from The Washington Post]: You sure will!

[Chuck, from The York Times]: Absofuckinglutely!! Now, we received 
the two hundred bucks, for story copyright, though we will need 
another five hundred, for the movie rights - Spielberg is having a 
look - This is gunna be huge!


[Turq]: I am wiring the funds as we speak, Sir!! Do you really think 
I'll be notorious, like you promised??


[Chuck, from The York Times]: Global bad-ass, Guaranteed! We can 
help you market that, too...




On 10/16/2014 9:05 AM, awoelfleba...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote:



See, bring back the Parody! Good job. I got smacked down by Share who 
apparently doesn't like my parodies as they seem to lead to a mob 
mentality of online bullying in some way. But God, you wrote a good 
little snippet there. You have the knack, Mac.



And I only now saw Steve's post here, another gold star. Kind of like 
the court jester in the old days who always told the sometimes ugly 
truth with laughs and wit and hilarious antics. Underneath the 
joviality lies what many don't want to admit.




/Everyone already knows that the magazine science writer is Barry and 
the lurking reporter is MJ - reporting to John Knapp at the TM-Free 
blog. They already admitted this on FFL. It's no secret what their 
agenda is - to get TMers to post some secret information about the 
private sex life of people that live in Fairfield. Apparently that's the 
whole purpose of this discussion group. It's not complicated.


/



---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote :

Note to Lurking Reporters.

Dear RP's.

Does it seem strange that this 70 year old man, Mr. Barry Wright, 
spends as much time as he does trying to find faults in an 
organization he left some 40 years ago?


Does it seem odd, that he would become so animated when he finds what 
he feels is an out of whack comment by another member of the forum, as 
though all the time he puts in here, has had some payoff?


Does it, again, seem odd, that another member here, Mr. Michael 
Jackson, seems to have taken on, as a part of his life mission 
uncovering all the faults of the TM organization and it's founder, 
repeating the same lines over and over each day?


Dear Mr. and Ms. Lurking Reporters.  Please reveal yourselves, and 
weight in on some of issues and behaviors you observe here.


One word of caution though. If you response does not meet with the 
expectations of Mr. Wright, he will turn on you in angry fashion as he 
did with another member here a week or so ago.


If interested, you can re-visit this exchange between Mr. Wright, and 
a Mr.Blue Bungalow.


Mr. Wright went positively ballistic.

Mr. Bungalow, remained nonplussed.

Sort of revealing, I'd say for the guy who claims to be so unattached 
to anything that goes on here.


Just sayin'


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote :

Got that, lurking reporters? Just the other day a couple of you were 
asking me to document my opinion that many long-term TMers were 
certifiably paranoid and committed to a them vs. us mentality.


I submit this as the proof you were asking for. Nablusoss1008 believes 
this because Maharishi believed it.  :-)









Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: About Nov. 30 and the TM movement

2014-10-16 Thread fleetwood_macnche...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
Steve does some good stand up on here - M. Dixon has some tight one liners - MJ 
used to, before the plague struck :-( and long gone Priceless Bob had a few 
zingers, too. Buncha wisenheimers.
 
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote :

 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fleetwood_macncheese@... wrote :

 I'll bet Barry's lurking reporters are a couple of out of work twenty year 
olds, having him on. We are all waiting for the cult 'expose' - LOL
  
 [Tiffany, from The Washington Post]: Turq, this will blow the doors off 
the TMO. We have formed a committee to discuss all of the points you have 
raised.
  
 [Turq]: No problem - That's my thang! Maharishi sux - lol
  
 [Tiffany, from The Washington Post]: He sure does - lol
  
 [Chuck, from The York Times]: This is perfect - All we need is a little 
more upfront funding, and you'll make Snowden look like peanuts.
  
 [Turq]: I'll show those bastards!
  
 [Tiffany, from The Washington Post]: You sure will!
  
 [Chuck, from The York Times]: Absofuckinglutely!! Now, we received the two 
hundred bucks, for story copyright, though we will need another five hundred, 
for the movie rights - Spielberg is having a look - This is gunna be huge!
  
 [Turq]: I am wiring the funds as we speak, Sir!! Do you really think I'll be 
notorious, like you promised??
  
 [Chuck, from The York Times]: Global bad-ass, Guaranteed! We can help you 
market that, too...
 

 See, bring back the Parody! Good job. I got smacked down by Share who 
apparently doesn't like my parodies as they seem to lead to a mob mentality of 
online bullying in some way. But God, you wrote a good little snippet there. 
You have the knack, Mac.
 

 And I only now saw Steve's post here, another gold star. Kind of like the 
court jester in the old days who always told the sometimes ugly truth with 
laughs and wit and hilarious antics. Underneath the joviality lies what many 
don't want to admit. 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote :

 Note to Lurking Reporters. 

 Dear RP's.
 

 Does it seem strange that this 70 year old man, Mr. Barry Wright, spends as 
much time as he does trying to find faults in an organization he left some 40 
years ago?
 

 Does it seem odd, that he would become so animated when he finds what he feels 
is an out of whack comment by another member of the forum, as though all the 
time he puts in here, has had some payoff?
 

 Does it, again, seem odd, that another member here, Mr. Michael Jackson, seems 
to have taken on, as a part of his life mission uncovering all the faults of 
the TM organization and it's founder, repeating the same lines over and over 
each day?
 

 Dear Mr. and Ms. Lurking Reporters.  Please reveal yourselves, and weight in 
on some of issues and behaviors you observe here.
 

 One word of caution though. If you response does not meet with the 
expectations of Mr. Wright, he will turn on you in angry fashion as he did with 
another member here a week or so ago.
 

 If interested, you can re-visit this exchange between Mr. Wright, and a 
Mr.Blue Bungalow.
 

 Mr. Wright went positively ballistic.
 

 Mr. Bungalow, remained nonplussed.
 

 Sort of revealing, I'd say for the guy who claims to be so unattached to 
anything that goes on here.
 

 Just sayin'
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote :

 Got that, lurking reporters? Just the other day a couple of you were asking me 
to document my opinion that many long-term TMers were certifiably paranoid 
and committed to a them vs. us mentality. 

 

 I submit this as the proof you were asking for. Nablusoss1008 believes this 
because Maharishi believed it.  :-)

 

 

 













Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: About Nov. 30 and the TM movement

2014-10-16 Thread steve.sun...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
make that three stars!
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote :

 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fleetwood_macncheese@... wrote :

 I'll bet Barry's lurking reporters are a couple of out of work twenty year 
olds, having him on. We are all waiting for the cult 'expose' - LOL
  
 [Tiffany, from The Washington Post]: Turq, this will blow the doors off 
the TMO. We have formed a committee to discuss all of the points you have 
raised.
  
 [Turq]: No problem - That's my thang! Maharishi sux - lol
  
 [Tiffany, from The Washington Post]: He sure does - lol
  
 [Chuck, from The York Times]: This is perfect - All we need is a little 
more upfront funding, and you'll make Snowden look like peanuts.
  
 [Turq]: I'll show those bastards!
  
 [Tiffany, from The Washington Post]: You sure will!
  
 [Chuck, from The York Times]: Absofuckinglutely!! Now, we received the two 
hundred bucks, for story copyright, though we will need another five hundred, 
for the movie rights - Spielberg is having a look - This is gunna be huge!
  
 [Turq]: I am wiring the funds as we speak, Sir!! Do you really think I'll be 
notorious, like you promised??
  
 [Chuck, from The York Times]: Global bad-ass, Guaranteed! We can help you 
market that, too...
 

 See, bring back the Parody! Good job. I got smacked down by Share who 
apparently doesn't like my parodies as they seem to lead to a mob mentality of 
online bullying in some way. But God, you wrote a good little snippet there. 
You have the knack, Mac.
 

 And I only now saw Steve's post here, another gold star. Kind of like the 
court jester in the old days who always told the sometimes ugly truth with 
laughs and wit and hilarious antics. Underneath the joviality lies what many 
don't want to admit. 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote :

 Note to Lurking Reporters. 

 Dear RP's.
 

 Does it seem strange that this 70 year old man, Mr. Barry Wright, spends as 
much time as he does trying to find faults in an organization he left some 40 
years ago?
 

 Does it seem odd, that he would become so animated when he finds what he feels 
is an out of whack comment by another member of the forum, as though all the 
time he puts in here, has had some payoff?
 

 Does it, again, seem odd, that another member here, Mr. Michael Jackson, seems 
to have taken on, as a part of his life mission uncovering all the faults of 
the TM organization and it's founder, repeating the same lines over and over 
each day?
 

 Dear Mr. and Ms. Lurking Reporters.  Please reveal yourselves, and weight in 
on some of issues and behaviors you observe here.
 

 One word of caution though. If you response does not meet with the 
expectations of Mr. Wright, he will turn on you in angry fashion as he did with 
another member here a week or so ago.
 

 If interested, you can re-visit this exchange between Mr. Wright, and a 
Mr.Blue Bungalow.
 

 Mr. Wright went positively ballistic.
 

 Mr. Bungalow, remained nonplussed.
 

 Sort of revealing, I'd say for the guy who claims to be so unattached to 
anything that goes on here.
 

 Just sayin'
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote :

 Got that, lurking reporters? Just the other day a couple of you were asking me 
to document my opinion that many long-term TMers were certifiably paranoid 
and committed to a them vs. us mentality. 

 

 I submit this as the proof you were asking for. Nablusoss1008 believes this 
because Maharishi believed it.  :-)

 

 

 













Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: About Nov. 30 and the TM movement

2014-10-16 Thread fleetwood_macnche...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
thanks - fun  to write, too!
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote :

 make that three stars!
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote :

 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fleetwood_macncheese@... wrote :

 I'll bet Barry's lurking reporters are a couple of out of work twenty year 
olds, having him on. We are all waiting for the cult 'expose' - LOL
  
 [Tiffany, from The Washington Post]: Turq, this will blow the doors off 
the TMO. We have formed a committee to discuss all of the points you have 
raised.
  
 [Turq]: No problem - That's my thang! Maharishi sux - lol
  
 [Tiffany, from The Washington Post]: He sure does - lol
  
 [Chuck, from The York Times]: This is perfect - All we need is a little 
more upfront funding, and you'll make Snowden look like peanuts.
  
 [Turq]: I'll show those bastards!
  
 [Tiffany, from The Washington Post]: You sure will!
  
 [Chuck, from The York Times]: Absofuckinglutely!! Now, we received the two 
hundred bucks, for story copyright, though we will need another five hundred, 
for the movie rights - Spielberg is having a look - This is gunna be huge!
  
 [Turq]: I am wiring the funds as we speak, Sir!! Do you really think I'll be 
notorious, like you promised??
  
 [Chuck, from The York Times]: Global bad-ass, Guaranteed! We can help you 
market that, too...
 

 See, bring back the Parody! Good job. I got smacked down by Share who 
apparently doesn't like my parodies as they seem to lead to a mob mentality of 
online bullying in some way. But God, you wrote a good little snippet there. 
You have the knack, Mac.
 

 And I only now saw Steve's post here, another gold star. Kind of like the 
court jester in the old days who always told the sometimes ugly truth with 
laughs and wit and hilarious antics. Underneath the joviality lies what many 
don't want to admit. 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote :

 Note to Lurking Reporters. 

 Dear RP's.
 

 Does it seem strange that this 70 year old man, Mr. Barry Wright, spends as 
much time as he does trying to find faults in an organization he left some 40 
years ago?
 

 Does it seem odd, that he would become so animated when he finds what he feels 
is an out of whack comment by another member of the forum, as though all the 
time he puts in here, has had some payoff?
 

 Does it, again, seem odd, that another member here, Mr. Michael Jackson, seems 
to have taken on, as a part of his life mission uncovering all the faults of 
the TM organization and it's founder, repeating the same lines over and over 
each day?
 

 Dear Mr. and Ms. Lurking Reporters.  Please reveal yourselves, and weight in 
on some of issues and behaviors you observe here.
 

 One word of caution though. If you response does not meet with the 
expectations of Mr. Wright, he will turn on you in angry fashion as he did with 
another member here a week or so ago.
 

 If interested, you can re-visit this exchange between Mr. Wright, and a 
Mr.Blue Bungalow.
 

 Mr. Wright went positively ballistic.
 

 Mr. Bungalow, remained nonplussed.
 

 Sort of revealing, I'd say for the guy who claims to be so unattached to 
anything that goes on here.
 

 Just sayin'
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote :

 Got that, lurking reporters? Just the other day a couple of you were asking me 
to document my opinion that many long-term TMers were certifiably paranoid 
and committed to a them vs. us mentality. 

 

 I submit this as the proof you were asking for. Nablusoss1008 believes this 
because Maharishi believed it.  :-)

 

 

 















[FairfieldLife] Re: About Nov. 30 and the TM movement

2014-10-15 Thread nablusoss1008
Give us back the CIA as an enemy, at least that was fun before they realized 
we were harmless. These channelers and rumormongers are fools and don't qualify 
as enemies.

[FairfieldLife] Re: About Nov. 30 and the TM movement

2014-10-15 Thread salyavin808
 This is outrageous! Of course the scientific research applies to both schools. 
They are teaching the same thing! Do you think Newtons laws of gravity, 
discovered when he was at Cambridge, shouldn't be studied at Oxford? Of course 
not, knowledge belongs to everyone and no one. When you do science you add (or 
hope to) to the endless store of man's knowledge about himself and the world. 
That is the point of it, it doesn't exist just as cheap advertising to further 
the aims of special interest groups no matter how reliant you are on it.  

 This a genuine low point for the TMO, they should come to their senses and 
retract this lawsuit, you cannot copyright science (in a sane world) It's done 
for the betterment of all mankind. They are destined to lose and look like a 
bunch of greedy corporate lowlifes. The only way they'll be able to convince 
anyone is if they demonstrate that Knoles isn't teaching TM anymore. Which they 
won't obviously.
 

 Whether the teachers that taught in the studies were certified by the TMO is 
irrelevant to whether the research is accurate, anyone can use the findings of 
science to enrich or criticise, add to their own ideas or debunk. If King Tony 
and raja Hagelin have any scientific curiosity left in them they would 
censure this legal cocksucker and send him back to whatever slime pit he 
crawled from.
 

 What next Buck, suing people here for having opinions that are contrary to the 
accepted right way of thinking? If you aren't careful you may get what you 
wish for and the TMO will end up with all the credibility of Scientology. Yeah, 
I know it's in that ballpark already with most people who have experienced it's 
inner workings, but I'm talking about the public in general. No one is going to 
think this is a good idea because it quite simply isn't. 
 

 Is this what it comes down to, checking for copyright infringement at 
paranormal conventions? It doesn't sound like the Age of Enlightenment. 
 

 I hope Thom Knoles wins and the TMO gets massive egg on its face. 
 

 
 
  Knoles declined and largely defended his biography. His attorney said he did 
learn under the Maharishi, was personally awarded an honorary doctorate by him, 
and had become an acclaimed teacher of yoga by age 20.

 Oddly enough, the foundation hasn't sued Knoles, for strategic reasons Zaiger 
said were confidential. Instead, it filed a lawsuit in 2011 against The 
Meditation House, an Iowa corporation owned by life coach Jules Green, who 
promotes Vedic Meditation on her website.
 The lawsuit seeks an order preventing Green from mentioning transcendental 
meditation studies in her advertising,”
 
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2013/01/20/legal-feud-over-teaching-transcendental-meditation-technique-is-anything-but/
 
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2013/01/20/legal-feud-over-teaching-transcendental-meditation-technique-is-anything-but/
 

 Yea But, the really interesting thing here is the legal path the old UK TM 
teachers carve out to continue to teach in the face of the strong-hand attempt 
of TM trademark assertion.. as Sal notes: but there isn't much they (Vlodrop) 
can do as all the teachers were trained by Marshy (Maharishi Mahesh Yogi).  
That is interesting.  
 

 40,000 TM teachers out there in the world trained by Maharishi Mahesh Yogi and 
a few hundreds of TM teacher re-certs. The new TM legal department sharp-shoots 
old individuals continuing to teach TM as they were taught to teach as an 
infringement but this particular group of UK scorpion TM teachers stuck 
together and withstands the new TM legal department together. The Maharishi 
Foundation (Vlodrop and Vedic City) now keep a trademark infringement law firm 
on retainer now in the USA as they hunt down old TM teachers teaching outside 
the TM teacher re-certification project, a project that came post Maharishi or 
at the end to have old teachers come in and sign papers again restricting their 
teaching. Apparently the group of UK TM teachers exist extra-territorial to 
new-TM because they stuck together. Damned scorpions.
 -Buck
 

 steve.sundur wrote :
 
 Sal, ..  Your strict adherence to everything science has dulled your 
sensitivity to nuance. 

 You've got that knee jerk, TM bash move down pat.
 

 mjackson74@... wrote : 
 Sal says they do and their web presence speaks to it as well. But I will defer 
to Sal on this he is in a position to know.

 

 Sal writing:
 

 It's a good question, there are a few teaching in various places, The 
Meditation Trust is probably the best known as they were the guys who quit when 
Marshy put the price up so high it put them out of business. They have a few 
centres and hold courses in a country house where they teach the TMSP too. 
 

 The TM official are always taking legal action against them but there isn't 
much they can do as all the teachers were trained by Marshy. 
 

 I know people who go on their courses, they always tell me that I musn't 
mention it to people in the movement, which 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: About Nov. 30 and the TM movement

2014-10-15 Thread Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
Its all about the money Sal - the Movement is trying to protect its pocket book.




 From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2014 8:47 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: About Nov. 30 and the TM movement
 


  
 This is outrageous! Of course the scientific research applies to both schools. 
They are teaching the same thing! Do you think Newtons laws of gravity, 
discovered when he was at Cambridge, shouldn't be studied at Oxford? Of course 
not, knowledge belongs to everyone and no one. When you do science you add (or 
hope to) to the endless store of man's knowledge about himself and the world. 
That is the point of it, it doesn't exist just as cheap advertising to further 
the aims of special interest groups no matter how reliant you are on it. 

This a genuine low point for the TMO, they should come to their senses and 
retract this lawsuit, you cannot copyright science (in a sane world) It's done 
for the betterment of all mankind. They are destined to lose and look like a 
bunch of greedy corporate lowlifes. The only way they'll be able to convince 
anyone is if they demonstrate that Knoles isn't teaching TM anymore. Which they 
won't obviously.

Whether the teachers that taught in the studies were certified by the TMO is 
irrelevant to whether the research is accurate, anyone can use the findings of 
science to enrich or criticise, add to their own ideas or debunk. If King Tony 
and raja Hagelin have any scientific curiosity left in them they would 
censure this legal cocksucker and send him back to whatever slime pit he 
crawled from.

What next Buck, suing people here for having opinions that are contrary to the 
accepted right way of thinking? If you aren't careful you may get what you 
wish for and the TMO will end up with all the credibility of Scientology. Yeah, 
I know it's in that ballpark already with most people who have experienced it's 
inner workings, but I'm talking about the public in general. No one is going to 
think this is a good idea because it quite simply isn't. 

Is this what it comes down to, checking for copyright infringement at 
paranormal conventions? It doesn't sound like the Age of Enlightenment. 

I hope Thom Knoles wins and the TMO gets massive egg on its face. 





 Knoles declined and largely defended his biography. His attorney said
he did learn under the Maharishi, was personally awarded an honorary
doctorate by him, and had become an acclaimed teacher of yoga
by age 20.

Oddly
enough, the foundation hasn't sued Knoles, for strategic reasons
Zaiger said were confidential. Instead, it filed a lawsuit in 2011
against The Meditation House, an Iowa corporation owned by life coach
Jules Green, who promotes Vedic Meditation on her website.
The
lawsuit seeks an order preventing Green from mentioning
transcendental meditation studies in her advertising,”
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2013/01/20/legal-feud-over-teaching-transcendental-meditation-technique-is-anything-but/

Yea But, the really interesting thing
here is the legal path the old UK TM teachers carve out to continue
to teach in the face of the strong-hand attempt of TM trademark
assertion.. as Sal notes: but
there isn't much they (Vlodrop) can do as all the teachers were
trained by Marshy (Maharishi Mahesh Yogi).  That is interesting.  

40,000 TM teachers out there in the world
trained by Maharishi Mahesh Yogi and a few hundreds of TM teacher
re-certs.  The new TM legal department sharp-shoots old individuals
continuing to teach TM as they were taught to teach as an infringement but this
particular group of UK scorpion TM teachers stuck together and
withstands the new TM legal department together.  The Maharishi
Foundation (Vlodrop and Vedic City) now keep a trademark infringement law firm 
on
retainer now in the USA as they hunt down old TM teachers teaching
outside the TM teacher re-certification project, a project that came
post Maharishi or at the end to have old teachers come in and sign
papers again restricting their teaching.  Apparently the group of UK
TM teachers exist extra-territorial to new-TM because they stuck
together.  Damned scorpions.
-Buck

steve.sundur wrote :


Sal, ..  Your strict adherence to everything science has dulled your 
sensitivity to nuance.

You've got that knee jerk, TM bash move down pat.

mjackson74@... wrote :


Sal says they do and their web presence speaks to it as well. But I will defer 
to Sal on this he is in a position to know.


Sal writing:

It's a good question, there are a few teaching in various places, The 
Meditation Trust is probably the best known as they were the guys who quit when 
Marshy put the price up so high it put them out of business. They have a few 
centres and hold courses in a country house where they teach the TMSP too. 

The TM official are always taking legal action against them but there isn't 
much they can do as all the teachers were trained

[FairfieldLife] Re: About Nov. 30 and the TM movement

2014-10-15 Thread salyavin808
And this doesn't even start to consider whether the collected papers are 
actually valuable to science or not. A lot of people who read the papers don't 
think much of TM research at all. Some of the later stuff may be of value but a 
lot of it is crap, the Marshy Effect stuff in particular. 

 

 

 
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote :

  This is outrageous! Of course the scientific research applies to both 
schools. They are teaching the same thing! Do you think Newtons laws of 
gravity, discovered when he was at Cambridge, shouldn't be studied at Oxford? 
Of course not, knowledge belongs to everyone and no one. When you do science 
you add (or hope to) to the endless store of man's knowledge about himself and 
the world. That is the point of it, it doesn't exist just as cheap advertising 
to further the aims of special interest groups no matter how reliant you are on 
it.  

 This a genuine low point for the TMO, they should come to their senses and 
retract this lawsuit, you cannot copyright science (in a sane world) It's done 
for the betterment of all mankind. They are destined to lose and look like a 
bunch of greedy corporate lowlifes. The only way they'll be able to convince 
anyone is if they demonstrate that Knoles isn't teaching TM anymore. Which they 
won't obviously.
 

 Whether the teachers that taught in the studies were certified by the TMO is 
irrelevant to whether the research is accurate, anyone can use the findings of 
science to enrich or criticise, add to their own ideas or debunk. If King Tony 
and raja Hagelin have any scientific curiosity left in them they would 
censure this legal cocksucker and send him back to whatever slime pit he 
crawled from.
 

 What next Buck, suing people here for having opinions that are contrary to the 
accepted right way of thinking? If you aren't careful you may get what you 
wish for and the TMO will end up with all the credibility of Scientology. Yeah, 
I know it's in that ballpark already with most people who have experienced it's 
inner workings, but I'm talking about the public in general. No one is going to 
think this is a good idea because it quite simply isn't. 
 

 Is this what it comes down to, checking for copyright infringement at 
paranormal conventions? It doesn't sound like the Age of Enlightenment. 
 

 I hope Thom Knoles wins and the TMO gets massive egg on its face. 
 

 
 
  Knoles declined and largely defended his biography. His attorney said he did 
learn under the Maharishi, was personally awarded an honorary doctorate by him, 
and had become an acclaimed teacher of yoga by age 20.

 Oddly enough, the foundation hasn't sued Knoles, for strategic reasons Zaiger 
said were confidential. Instead, it filed a lawsuit in 2011 against The 
Meditation House, an Iowa corporation owned by life coach Jules Green, who 
promotes Vedic Meditation on her website.
 The lawsuit seeks an order preventing Green from mentioning transcendental 
meditation studies in her advertising,”
 
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2013/01/20/legal-feud-over-teaching-transcendental-meditation-technique-is-anything-but/
 
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2013/01/20/legal-feud-over-teaching-transcendental-meditation-technique-is-anything-but/
 

 Yea But, the really interesting thing here is the legal path the old UK TM 
teachers carve out to continue to teach in the face of the strong-hand attempt 
of TM trademark assertion.. as Sal notes: but there isn't much they (Vlodrop) 
can do as all the teachers were trained by Marshy (Maharishi Mahesh Yogi).  
That is interesting.  
 

 40,000 TM teachers out there in the world trained by Maharishi Mahesh Yogi and 
a few hundreds of TM teacher re-certs. The new TM legal department sharp-shoots 
old individuals continuing to teach TM as they were taught to teach as an 
infringement but this particular group of UK scorpion TM teachers stuck 
together and withstands the new TM legal department together. The Maharishi 
Foundation (Vlodrop and Vedic City) now keep a trademark infringement law firm 
on retainer now in the USA as they hunt down old TM teachers teaching outside 
the TM teacher re-certification project, a project that came post Maharishi or 
at the end to have old teachers come in and sign papers again restricting their 
teaching. Apparently the group of UK TM teachers exist extra-territorial to 
new-TM because they stuck together. Damned scorpions.
 -Buck
 

 steve.sundur wrote :
 
 Sal, ..  Your strict adherence to everything science has dulled your 
sensitivity to nuance. 

 You've got that knee jerk, TM bash move down pat.
 

 mjackson74@... wrote : 
 Sal says they do and their web presence speaks to it as well. But I will defer 
to Sal on this he is in a position to know.

 

 Sal writing:
 

 It's a good question, there are a few teaching in various places, The 
Meditation Trust is probably the best known as they were the guys who quit when 
Marshy put the price up so high it put them 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: About Nov. 30 and the TM movement

2014-10-15 Thread salyavin808

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote :

 Its all about the money Sal - the Movement is trying to protect its pocket 
book.

 

 Of course, and this is one of the last avenues left. The Indies in the UK 
claim that the actions of Maharishi and the TMO left them unable to make a 
living due to unfair business practises. So it would be foolhardy to tackle 
them in open court about that, everyone would get to see what goes on behind 
closed doors, would be interesting though...
 

 But this is a low point for them, I'd be embarrassed to even try and stop 
people using science when they are using it for the same reasons they use it 
themselves. The last thing they should be wanting is a reputation for relying 
on lawyers, talk about undermining the principle of right action and the 
coherence effects of TM!
 

 From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2014 8:47 AM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: About Nov. 30 and the TM movement
 
 
This is outrageous! Of course the scientific research applies to both 
schools. They are teaching the same thing! Do you think Newtons laws of 
gravity, discovered when he was at Cambridge, shouldn't be studied at Oxford? 
Of course not, knowledge belongs to everyone and no one. When you do science 
you add (or hope to) to the endless store of man's knowledge about himself and 
the world. That is the point of it, it doesn't exist just as cheap advertising 
to further the aims of special interest groups no matter how reliant you are on 
it. 
 

 This a genuine low point for the TMO, they should come to their senses and 
retract this lawsuit, you cannot copyright science (in a sane world) It's done 
for the betterment of all mankind. They are destined to lose and look like a 
bunch of greedy corporate lowlifes. The only way they'll be able to convince 
anyone is if they demonstrate that Knoles isn't teaching TM anymore. Which they 
won't obviously.
 

 Whether the teachers that taught in the studies were certified by the TMO is 
irrelevant to whether the research is accurate, anyone can use the findings of 
science to enrich or criticise, add to their own ideas or debunk. If King Tony 
and raja Hagelin have any scientific curiosity left in them they would 
censure this legal cocksucker and send him back to whatever slime pit he 
crawled from.
 

 What next Buck, suing people here for having opinions that are contrary to the 
accepted right way of thinking? If you aren't careful you may get what you 
wish for and the TMO will end up with all the credibility of Scientology. Yeah, 
I know it's in that ballpark already with most people who have experienced it's 
inner workings, but I'm talking about the public in general. No one is going to 
think this is a good idea because it quite simply isn't. 
 

 Is this what it comes down to, checking for copyright infringement at 
paranormal conventions? It doesn't sound like the Age of Enlightenment. 
 

 I hope Thom Knoles wins and the TMO gets massive egg on its face. 
 

 
 
  Knoles declined and largely defended his biography. His attorney said he did 
learn under the Maharishi, was personally awarded an honorary doctorate by him, 
and had become an acclaimed teacher of yoga by age 20.

 Oddly enough, the foundation hasn't sued Knoles, for strategic reasons Zaiger 
said were confidential. Instead, it filed a lawsuit in 2011 against The 
Meditation House, an Iowa corporation owned by life coach Jules Green, who 
promotes Vedic Meditation on her website.
 The lawsuit seeks an order preventing Green from mentioning transcendental 
meditation studies in her advertising,”
 
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2013/01/20/legal-feud-over-teaching-transcendental-meditation-technique-is-anything-but/
 
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2013/01/20/legal-feud-over-teaching-transcendental-meditation-technique-is-anything-but/
 

 Yea But, the really interesting thing here is the legal path the old UK TM 
teachers carve out to continue to teach in the face of the strong-hand attempt 
of TM trademark assertion.. as Sal notes: but there isn't much they (Vlodrop) 
can do as all the teachers were trained by Marshy (Maharishi Mahesh Yogi).  
That is interesting.  
 

 40,000 TM teachers out there in the world trained by Maharishi Mahesh Yogi and 
a few hundreds of TM teacher re-certs. The new TM legal department sharp-shoots 
old individuals continuing to teach TM as they were taught to teach as an 
infringement but this particular group of UK scorpion TM teachers stuck 
together and withstands the new TM legal department together. The Maharishi 
Foundation (Vlodrop and Vedic City) now keep a trademark infringement law firm 
on retainer now in the USA as they hunt down old TM teachers teaching outside 
the TM teacher re-certification project, a project that came post Maharishi or 
at the end to have old teachers come in and sign papers again restricting their 
teaching. Apparently

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: About Nov. 30 and the TM movement

2014-10-15 Thread Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
TM Movement = big on big talk, real shy on right action




 From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2014 10:20 AM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: About Nov. 30 and the TM movement
 


  




---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote :


Its all about the money Sal - the Movement is trying to protect its pocket book.


Of course, and this is one of the last avenues left. The Indies in the UK claim 
that the actions of Maharishi and the TMO left them unable to make a living due 
to unfair business practises. So it would be foolhardy to tackle them in open 
court about that, everyone would get to see what goes on behind closed doors, 
would be interesting though...

But this is a low point for them, I'd be embarrassed to even try and stop 
people using science when they are using it for the same reasons they use it 
themselves. The last thing they should be wanting is a reputation for relying 
on lawyers, talk about undermining the principle of right action and the 
coherence effects of TM!



 From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2014 8:47 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: About Nov. 30 and the TM movement



 
 This is outrageous! Of course the scientific research applies to both schools. 
They are teaching the same thing! Do you think Newtons laws of gravity, 
discovered when he was at Cambridge, shouldn't be studied at Oxford? Of course 
not, knowledge belongs to everyone and no one. When you do science you add (or 
hope to) to the endless store of man's knowledge about himself and the world. 
That is the point of it, it doesn't exist just as cheap advertising to further 
the aims of special interest groups no matter how reliant you are on it. 

This a genuine low point for the TMO, they should come to their senses and 
retract this lawsuit, you cannot copyright science (in a sane world) It's done 
for the betterment of all mankind. They are destined to lose and look like a 
bunch of greedy corporate lowlifes. The only way they'll be able to convince 
anyone is if they demonstrate that Knoles isn't teaching TM
anymore. Which they won't obviously.

Whether the teachers that taught in the studies were certified by the TMO is 
irrelevant to whether the research is accurate, anyone can use the findings of 
science to enrich or criticise, add to their own ideas or debunk. If King Tony 
and raja Hagelin have any scientific curiosity left in them they would 
censure this legal cocksucker and send him back to whatever slime pit he 
crawled from.

What next Buck, suing people here for having opinions that are contrary to the 
accepted right way of thinking? If you aren't careful you may get what you 
wish for and the TMO will end up with all the credibility of Scientology. Yeah, 
I know it's in that ballpark already with most people who have experienced it's 
inner workings, but I'm talking about the public in general. No one is going to 
think this is a good idea because it quite simply
isn't. 

Is this what it comes down to, checking for copyright infringement at 
paranormal conventions? It doesn't sound like the Age of Enlightenment. 

I hope Thom Knoles wins and the TMO gets massive egg on its face. 





 Knoles declined and largely defended his biography. His attorney said
he did learn under the Maharishi, was personally awarded an honorary
doctorate by him, and had become an acclaimed teacher of yoga
by age 20.

Oddly
enough, the foundation hasn't sued Knoles, for strategic reasons
Zaiger said were confidential. Instead, it filed a lawsuit in 2011
against The Meditation House, an Iowa corporation owned by life coach
Jules Green, who promotes Vedic Meditation on her website.
The
lawsuit seeks an order preventing Green from mentioning
transcendental meditation studies in her advertising,”
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2013/01/20/legal-feud-over-teaching-transcendental-meditation-technique-is-anything-but/

Yea But, the really interesting thing
here is the legal path the old UK TM teachers carve out to continue
to teach in the face of the strong-hand attempt of TM trademark
assertion.. as Sal notes: but
there isn't much they (Vlodrop) can do as all the teachers were
trained by Marshy (Maharishi Mahesh Yogi).  That is interesting.  

40,000 TM teachers out there in the world
trained by Maharishi Mahesh Yogi and a few hundreds of TM teacher
re-certs.  The new TM legal department sharp-shoots old individuals
continuing to teach TM as they were taught to teach as an infringement but this
particular group of UK scorpion TM teachers stuck together and
withstands the new TM legal department together.  The Maharishi
Foundation (Vlodrop and Vedic City) now keep a trademark infringement law firm 
on
retainer now in the USA as they hunt down old TM teachers teaching
outside the TM teacher re-certification

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: About Nov. 30 and the TM movement

2014-10-15 Thread nablusoss1008
It includes the armed men we caught on the bridge between hotels Sonnenberg and 
Kulm. It also includes dozens of agents that took TTC many of whom went on to 
Purusha. It also includeds Governors so poor that when they waved a few 
thousands dollars in front of their anemic noses they did almost anything to 
make their new masters happy. 
 Not that they had to do much, a weekly report sent to their accounting officer 
was all that was needed to adhere to the strict rules of economic 
self-suffisciency always present within the Movement. So when we started 
looking, which included asking a few questions in the countries they came from, 
they needed some pretty good explanation to where the money came from.
 Now, that's what I call a real enemy that was always fun to try to track. They 
did it not because they had some screews loose but to protect their country, 
which is a honorable thing to do. 
 The wacko's of today has no such honor and cannot touch the Movement.  All 
they'll accomplish is some momentary swelling of ego's already out of control.



Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: About Nov. 30 and the TM movement

2014-10-15 Thread TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
Got that, lurking reporters? Just the other day a couple of you were asking me 
to document my opinion that many long-term TMers were certifiably paranoid 
and committed to a them vs. us mentality. 


I submit this as the proof you were asking for. Nablusoss1008 believes this 
because Maharishi believed it.  :-)




 From: nablusoss1008 no_re...@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2014 5:15 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: About Nov. 30 and the TM movement
 


  
It includes the armed men we caught on the bridge between hotels Sonnenberg and 
Kulm. It also includes dozens of agents that took TTC many of whom went on to 
Purusha. It also includeds Governors so poor that when they waved a few 
thousands dollars in front of their anemic noses they did almost anything to 
make their new masters happy. 
Not that they had to do much, a weekly report sent to their accounting officer 
was all that was needed to adhere to the strict rules of economic 
self-suffisciency always present within the Movement. So when we started 
looking, which included asking a few questions in the countries they came from, 
they needed some pretty good explanation to where the money came from.
Now, that's what I call a real enemy that was always fun to try to track. They 
did it not because they had some screews loose but to protect their country, 
which is a honorable thing to do. 
The wacko's of today has no such honor and cannot touch the Movement.  All 
they'll accomplish is some momentary swelling of ego's already out of control.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: About Nov. 30 and the TM movement

2014-10-15 Thread awoelfleba...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote :

 Got that, lurking reporters? Just the other day a couple of you were asking me 
to document my opinion that many long-term TMers were certifiably paranoid 
and committed to a them vs. us mentality. 

 

 I submit this as the proof you were asking for. Nablusoss1008 believes this 
because Maharishi believed it.  :-)

 

 Now our bawee has to spoon feed the imaginary lurking reporters (who are 
apparently brain dead and illiterate) the supposed facts. Lurking reporters, do 
you have enough proof now that bawee is a git?
 From: nablusoss1008 no_re...@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2014 5:15 PM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: About Nov. 30 and the TM movement
 
 
   It includes the armed men we caught on the bridge between hotels Sonnenberg 
and Kulm. It also includes dozens of agents that took TTC many of whom went on 
to Purusha. It also includeds Governors so poor that when they waved a few 
thousands dollars in front of their anemic noses they did almost anything to 
make their new masters happy.
 Not that they had to do much, a weekly report sent to their accounting officer 
was all that was needed to adhere to the strict rules of economic 
self-suffisciency always present within the Movement. So when we started 
looking, which included asking a few questions in the countries they came from, 
they needed some pretty good explanation to where the money came from.
 Now, that's what I call a real enemy that was always fun to try to track. They 
did it not because they had some screews loose but to protect their country, 
which is a honorable thing to do.
 The wacko's of today has no such honor and cannot touch the Movement.  All 
they'll accomplish is some momentary swelling of ego's already out of control.
 
















Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: About Nov. 30 and the TM movement

2014-10-15 Thread salyavin808

 Governors so poor they had anaemia? That's quite a statement all on its own!

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote :

 It includes the armed men we caught on the bridge between hotels Sonnenberg 
and Kulm. It also includes dozens of agents that took TTC many of whom went on 
to Purusha. It also includeds Governors so poor that when they waved a few 
thousands dollars in front of their anemic noses they did almost anything to 
make their new masters happy.
 Not that they had to do much, a weekly report sent to their accounting officer 
was all that was needed to adhere to the strict rules of economic 
self-suffisciency always present within the Movement. So when we started 
looking, which included asking a few questions in the countries they came from, 
they needed some pretty good explanation to where the money came from.
 Now, that's what I call a real enemy that was always fun to try to track. They 
did it not because they had some screews loose but to protect their country, 
which is a honorable thing to do.
 The wacko's of today has no such honor and cannot touch the Movement.  All 
they'll accomplish is some momentary swelling of ego's already out of control.





Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: About Nov. 30 and the TM movement

2014-10-15 Thread nablusoss1008
Nablusoss1008 believes this because Maharishi believed it.  :-)
 

 Nonsense. I don't believe in it, I know it happened because I was part of it. 
Even one of my friends was caught red-handed with a letter to his accounting 
officer and quickly admitted to having work for the German intelligence, who 
was just a subdivision of the CIA. Maharishi simply asked him if he would break 
the ties, he did and is fulltime in the Movement to this day.



Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: About Nov. 30 and the TM movement

2014-10-15 Thread Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]

German intelligence, who was just a subdivision of the CIA

Proof positive of a paranoid freak




 From: nablusoss1008 no_re...@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2014 11:39 AM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: About Nov. 30 and the TM movement
 


  
Nablusoss1008 believes this because Maharishi believed it.  :-)

Nonsense. I don't believe in it, I know it happened because I was part of it. 
Even one of my friends was caught red-handed with a letter to his accounting 
officer and quickly admitted to having work for the German intelligence, who 
was just a subdivision of the CIA. Maharishi simply asked him if he would break 
the ties, he did and is fulltime in the Movement to this day.



Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: About Nov. 30 and the TM movement

2014-10-15 Thread 'Richard J. Williams' pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife]

On 10/15/2014 7:47 AM, salyavin808 wrote:


 This is outrageous!



/Addressing the important issues!/



Of course the scientific research applies to both schools. They are 
teaching the same thing! Do you think Newtons laws of gravity, 
discovered when he was at Cambridge, shouldn't be studied at Oxford? 
Of course not, knowledge belongs to everyone and no one. When you do 
science you add (or hope to) to the endless store of man's knowledge 
about himself and the world. That is the point of it, it doesn't exist 
just as cheap advertising to further the aims of special interest 
groups no matter how reliant you are on it.



This a genuine low point for the TMO, they should come to their senses 
and retract this lawsuit, you cannot copyright science (in a sane 
world) It's done for the betterment of all mankind. They are destined 
to lose and look like a bunch of greedy corporate lowlifes. The only 
way they'll be able to convince anyone is if they demonstrate that 
Knoles isn't teaching TM anymore. Which they won't obviously.


Whether the teachers that taught in the studies were certified by 
the TMO is irrelevant to whether the research is accurate, anyone can 
use the findings of science to enrich or criticise, add to their own 
ideas or debunk. If King Tony and raja Hagelin have any scientific 
curiosity left in them they would censure this legal cocksucker and 
send him back to whatever slime pit he crawled from.


What next Buck, suing people here for having opinions that are 
contrary to the accepted right way of thinking? If you aren't 
careful you may get what you wish for and the TMO will end up with all 
the credibility of Scientology. Yeah, I know it's in that ballpark 
already with most people who have experienced it's inner workings, but 
I'm talking about the public in general. No one is going to think this 
is a good idea because it quite simply isn't.


Is this what it comes down to, checking for copyright infringement at 
paranormal conventions? It doesn't sound like the Age of Enlightenment.


I hope Thom Knoles wins and the TMO gets massive egg on its face.



 Knoles declined and largely defended his biography. His attorney 
said he did learn under the Maharishi, was personally awarded an 
honorary doctorate by him, and had become an acclaimed teacher of 
yoga by age 20.


Oddly enough, the foundation hasn't sued Knoles, for strategic reasons 
Zaiger said were confidential. Instead, it filed a lawsuit in 2011 
against The Meditation House, an Iowa corporation owned by life coach 
Jules Green, who promotes Vedic Meditation on her website.


The lawsuit seeks an order preventing Green from mentioning 
transcendental meditation studies in her advertising,”


http://www.foxnews.com/us/2013/01/20/legal-feud-over-teaching-transcendental-meditation-technique-is-anything-but/


Yea But, the really interesting thing here is the legal path the old 
UK TM teachers carve out to continue to teach in the face of the 
strong-hand attempt of TM trademark assertion.. as Sal notes: but 
there isn't much they (Vlodrop) can do as all the teachers were 
trained by Marshy (Maharishi Mahesh Yogi). That is interesting.



40,000 TM teachers out there in the world trained by Maharishi Mahesh 
Yogi and a few hundreds of TM teacher re-certs. The new TM legal 
department sharp-shoots old individuals continuing to teach TM as they 
were taught to teach as an infringement but this particular group of 
UK scorpion TM teachers stuck together and withstands the new TM legal 
department together. The Maharishi Foundation (Vlodrop and Vedic City) 
now keep a trademark infringement law firm on retainer now in the USA 
as they hunt down old TM teachers teaching outside the TM teacher 
re-certification project, a project that came post Maharishi or at the 
end to have old teachers come in and sign papers again restricting 
their teaching. Apparently the group of UK TM teachers exist 
extra-territorial to new-TM because they stuck together. Damned scorpions.


-Buck


steve.sundur wrote :


Sal, ..  Your strict adherence to everything science has dulled your 
sensitivity to nuance.


You've got that knee jerk, TM bash move down pat.

mjackson74@... wrote :

Sal says they do and their web presence speaks to it as well. But I 
will defer to Sal on this he is in a position to know.


Sal writing:

It's a good question, there are a few teaching in various places, The 
Meditation Trust is probably the best known as they were the guys who 
quit when Marshy put the price up so high it put them out of business. 
They have a few centres and hold courses in a country house where they 
teach the TMSP too.


The TM official are always taking legal action against them but there 
isn't much they can do as all the teachers were trained by Marshy.


I know people who go on their courses, they always tell me that I 
musn't mention it to people in the movement, which says it all about 
the TMO really. The same guy was telling me that 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: About Nov. 30 and the TM movement

2014-10-15 Thread Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
First off, I am willing to believe the CIA did send folks to check on what 
Marshy was doing since they and our FBI have certainly infiltrated many a group 
to see what they were about. 


But you seem to allege that there were dozens of agents - not likely maybe one 
or two but Marshy never merited that kind of attention that would require 
dozens of CIA agents.

Plus the way you tell it, Movement security (which has always been a joke in 
every Movement facility I was ever in, and that includes your German Purusha 
Nazi types who wear swastikas under their ties and celebrate Uncle Adolph's 
birthday) that means Movement security was way more savvy and astute than 
trained CIA agents??? Not likely.




 From: nablusoss1008 no_re...@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2014 11:39 AM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: About Nov. 30 and the TM movement
 


  
Nablusoss1008 believes this because Maharishi believed it.  :-)

Nonsense. I don't believe in it, I know it happened because I was part of it. 
Even one of my friends was caught red-handed with a letter to his accounting 
officer and quickly admitted to having work for the German intelligence, who 
was just a subdivision of the CIA. Maharishi simply asked him if he would break 
the ties, he did and is fulltime in the Movement to this day.



Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: About Nov. 30 and the TM movement

2014-10-15 Thread salyavin808

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote :

 First off, I am willing to believe the CIA did send folks to check on what 
Marshy was doing since they and our FBI have certainly infiltrated many a group 
to see what they were about. 

 

 They'd be silly not to, especially a group who claim they can influence world 
events at a distance and without the governments consent. I don't know how long 
it would take before they came to the conclusion they were dealing with a bunch 
of harmless fruitcakes.
 

 Maybe they had to investigate the financial dealings as well?
 

 But you seem to allege that there were dozens of agents - not likely maybe one 
or two but Marshy never merited that kind of attention that would require 
dozens of CIA agents.
 

 Wouldn't be worth their while, not in the middle of the cold war, I'd hope 
they thought they had better things to do!
 

 Plus the way you tell it, Movement security (which has always been a joke in 
every Movement facility I was ever in, and that includes your German Purusha 
Nazi types who wear swastikas under their ties and celebrate Uncle Adolph's 
birthday) that means Movement security was way more savvy and astute than 
trained CIA agents??? Not likely.

 

 I couldn't imagine a simpler group to infiltrate, all you have to do is learn 
to meditate and ask to help at the centre and you're in! I worked at head 
office for years and no one ever asked me anything, they just assumed I was 
kosher.This trust is one of the nice things about them I think. 
 

 From: nablusoss1008 no_re...@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2014 11:39 AM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: About Nov. 30 and the TM movement
 
 
   Nablusoss1008 believes this because Maharishi believed it.  :-)
 

 Nonsense. I don't believe in it, I know it happened because I was part of it. 
Even one of my friends was caught red-handed with a letter to his accounting 
officer and quickly admitted to having work for the German intelligence, who 
was just a subdivision of the CIA. Maharishi simply asked him if he would break 
the ties, he did and is fulltime in the Movement to this day.


 


 











Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: About Nov. 30 and the TM movement

2014-10-15 Thread steve.sun...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
Note to Lurking Reporters. 

 Dear RP's.
 

 Does it seem strange that this 70 year old man, Mr. Barry Wright, spends as 
much time as he does trying to find faults in an organization he left some 40 
years ago?
 

 Does it seem odd, that he would become so animated when he finds what he feels 
is an out of whack comment by another member of the forum, as though all the 
time he puts in here, has had some payoff?
 

 Does it, again, seem odd, that another member here, Mr. Michael Jackson, seems 
to have taken on, as a part of his life mission uncovering all the faults of 
the TM organization and it's founder, repeating the same lines over and over 
each day?
 

 Dear Mr. and Ms. Lurking Reporters.  Please reveal yourselves, and weight in 
on some of issues and behaviors you observe here.
 

 One word of caution though. If you response does not meet with the 
expectations of Mr. Wright, he will turn on you in angry fashion as he did with 
another member here a week or so ago.
 

 If interested, you can re-visit this exchange between Mr. Wright, and a 
Mr.Blue Bungalow.
 

 Mr. Wright went positively ballistic.
 

 Mr. Bungalow, remained nonplussed.
 

 Sort of revealing, I'd say for the guy who claims to be so unattached to 
anything that goes on here.
 

 Just sayin'
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote :

 Got that, lurking reporters? Just the other day a couple of you were asking me 
to document my opinion that many long-term TMers were certifiably paranoid 
and committed to a them vs. us mentality. 

 

 I submit this as the proof you were asking for. Nablusoss1008 believes this 
because Maharishi believed it.  :-)

 

 From: nablusoss1008 no_re...@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2014 5:15 PM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: About Nov. 30 and the TM movement
 
 
   It includes the armed men we caught on the bridge between hotels Sonnenberg 
and Kulm. It also includes dozens of agents that took TTC many of whom went on 
to Purusha. It also includeds Governors so poor that when they waved a few 
thousands dollars in front of their anemic noses they did almost anything to 
make their new masters happy.
 Not that they had to do much, a weekly report sent to their accounting officer 
was all that was needed to adhere to the strict rules of economic 
self-suffisciency always present within the Movement. So when we started 
looking, which included asking a few questions in the countries they came from, 
they needed some pretty good explanation to where the money came from.
 Now, that's what I call a real enemy that was always fun to try to track. They 
did it not because they had some screews loose but to protect their country, 
which is a honorable thing to do.
 The wacko's of today has no such honor and cannot touch the Movement.  All 
they'll accomplish is some momentary swelling of ego's already out of control.
 

















Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: About Nov. 30 and the TM movement

2014-10-15 Thread steve.sun...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
well, of course they infiltrated the group.  to what extent, I  have no idea.  
just like they probably infiltrate any number of organizations. 

 try to enlighten your friend Barry, that this type of thing is done.
 

 the scenario Nabby puts forth sounds a little extreme, but I have no idea.  
 

 I was not aware of the things he describes.  On the other hand, I was in 
Seelisberg only one time.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote :

 First off, I am willing to believe the CIA did send folks to check on what 
Marshy was doing since they and our FBI have certainly infiltrated many a group 
to see what they were about. 

 

 But you seem to allege that there were dozens of agents - not likely maybe one 
or two but Marshy never merited that kind of attention that would require 
dozens of CIA agents.
 

 Plus the way you tell it, Movement security (which has always been a joke in 
every Movement facility I was ever in, and that includes your German Purusha 
Nazi types who wear swastikas under their ties and celebrate Uncle Adolph's 
birthday) that means Movement security was way more savvy and astute than 
trained CIA agents??? Not likely.

 

 From: nablusoss1008 no_re...@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2014 11:39 AM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: About Nov. 30 and the TM movement
 
 
   Nablusoss1008 believes this because Maharishi believed it.  :-)
 

 Nonsense. I don't believe in it, I know it happened because I was part of it. 
Even one of my friends was caught red-handed with a letter to his accounting 
officer and quickly admitted to having work for the German intelligence, who 
was just a subdivision of the CIA. Maharishi simply asked him if he would break 
the ties, he did and is fulltime in the Movement to this day.


 


 












[FairfieldLife] Re: About Nov. 30 and the TM movement

2014-10-14 Thread salyavin808

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5@... wrote :

 Yea But, the really interesting thing here is the legal path the old UK TM 
teachers carve out to continue to teach in the face of the strong-hand attempt 
of TM trademark assertion.. as Sal notes: but there isn't much they (Vlodrop) 
can do as all the teachers were trained by Marshy (Maharishi Mahesh Yogi).  
That is interesting. 40,000 TM teachers out there in the world trained by 
Maharishi Mahesh Yogi and a few hundreds of TM teacher re-certs. The new TM 
legal department sharp-shoots old individuals continuing to teach TM as they 
were taught to teach as an infringement but this particular group of UK 
scorpion TM teachers stuck together and withstands the new TM legal department 
together. The Maharishi Foundation (Vlodrop and Vedic City) now keep a 
trademark infringement law firm on retainer now in the USA as they hunt down 
old TM teachers teaching outside the TM teacher re-certification project, a 
project that came post Maharishi or at the end to have old teachers come in and 
sign papers again restricting their teaching. Apparently the group of UK TM 
teachers exist extra-territorial to new-TM because they stuck together. Damned 
scorpions.
 

 That's so badly written I can't tell if the damned scorpions are the ones 
continuing to teach the way they were taught to, or if they're the re-certified 
legal department trying to stop them.
 

 Given your love of transcending I would have thought you'd just be happy that 
more people are getting the chance to try it. Maybe you get upset because it 
skews the coherence numbers and you know that makes it less likely that the 
Marshy Effect works because there are prolly twice as many people meditating as 
you thought. No need to call for more people in the domes if we should all be 
floating anyway huh?
 

 Or maybe it's because they deprive the national office with money, but you're 
always complaining about the way they run things anyway. And just think, the 
fewer people in the official TMO the fewer there are being conned into forking 
out the readies for the yagya programme or the thousand headed bone-idle mug 
punters who'd be a lot better off getting a job and paying their own way in 
life. 
 

 I remember the first re-certification course, your opinion of it's purpose may 
differ but it seemed like just another way of screwing the faithful out of 
their last few meagre savings. Did you know people were sitting the domes 
crying at the sheer pointless waste of time and money as the bigwigs viciously 
fleeced them in return for astoundingly useful and unique information like how 
to open a bank account? And all so they could continue to practise something 
that they'd paid a fortune and devoted their lives to many years before.
 

 Only time will tell which group has whatever it is that appeals to the masses, 
the faux Hindoo certified TMO or the faux Hindoo non-certified but completely 
identical ex-TMO. 
 

 Did you think the age of enlightenment was going to be as entertaining as this?
 

 

 -Buck
 

 steve.sundur wrote :
 
 Sal, ..  Your strict adherence to everything science has dulled your 
sensitivity to nuance. 

 You've got that knee jerk, TM bash move down pat.
 

 mjackson74@... wrote : 
 Sal says they do and their web presence speaks to it as well. But I will defer 
to Sal on this he is in a position to know.

 

 Sal writing:
 

 It's a good question, there are a few teaching in various places, The 
Meditation Trust is probably the best known as they were the guys who quit when 
Marshy put the price up so high it put them out of business. They have a few 
centres and hold courses in a country house where they teach the TMSP too. 
 

 The TM official are always taking legal action against them but there isn't 
much they can do as all the teachers were trained by Marshy. 
 

 I know people who go on their courses, they always tell me that I musn't 
mention it to people in the movement, which says it all about the TMO really. 
The same guy was telling me that someone asked him if it was true that people 
get brainwashed in the TMO, he said of course not. 
 

 Anyway, they seem to be doing well and actually making money out of it which 
is the TM teachers dream, but then they don't have to give half to the TMO. Bad 
feelings about that too I shouldn't wonder.
 

 From: anartaxius@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Monday, October 13, 2014 10:11 AM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: About Nov. 30
 
 
   Michael: note the highlighted part of my post below. A schism requires that 
the split off group has a coherent organization. I don't know if the initiators 
in England have this.

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote :

 the Movement already split - don't forget the renegade initiators in England

 

 From: anartaxius@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 To: 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: About Nov. 30 and the TM movement

2014-10-14 Thread Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
Beautifully, beautifully written Sal! Buck just can't stand the thought the 
whole deal was a con, so he grasps at straws.




 From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2014 2:10 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: About Nov. 30 and the TM movement
 


  




---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5@... wrote :


Yea But, the really interesting thing
here is the legal path the old UK TM teachers carve out to continue
to teach in the face of the strong-hand attempt of TM trademark
assertion.. as Sal notes: but
there isn't much they (Vlodrop) can do as all the teachers were
trained by Marshy (Maharishi Mahesh Yogi).  That is interesting.  40,000 TM 
teachers out there in the world
trained by Maharishi Mahesh Yogi and a few hundreds of TM teacher
re-certs.  The new TM legal department sharp-shoots old individuals
continuing to teach TM as they were taught to teach as an infringement but this
particular group of UK scorpion TM teachers stuck together and
withstands the new TM legal department together.  The Maharishi
Foundation (Vlodrop and Vedic City) now keep a trademark infringement law firm 
on
retainer now in the USA as they hunt down old TM teachers teaching
outside the TM teacher re-certification project, a project that came
post Maharishi or at the end to have old teachers come in and sign
papers again restricting their teaching.  Apparently the group of UK
TM teachers exist extra-territorial to new-TM because they stuck
together.  Damned scorpions.

That's so badly written I can't tell if the damned scorpions are the ones 
continuing to teach the way they were taught to, or if they're the re-certified 
legal department trying to stop them.

Given your love of transcending I would have thought you'd just be happy that 
more people are getting the chance to try it. Maybe you get upset because it 
skews the coherence numbers and you know that makes it less likely that the 
Marshy Effect works because there are prolly twice as many people meditating as 
you thought. No need to call for more people in the domes if we should all be 
floating anyway huh?

Or maybe it's because they deprive the national office with money, but you're 
always complaining about the way they run things anyway. And just think, the 
fewer people in the official TMO the fewer there are being conned into forking 
out the readies for the yagya programme or the thousand headed bone-idle mug 
punters who'd be a lot better off getting a job and paying their own way in 
life. 

I remember the first re-certification course, your opinion of it's purpose may 
differ but it seemed like just another way of screwing the faithful out of 
their last few meagre savings. Did you know people were sitting the domes 
crying at the sheer pointless waste of time and money as the bigwigs viciously 
fleeced them in return for astoundingly useful and unique information like how 
to open a bank account? And all so they could continue to practise something 
that they'd paid a fortune and devoted their lives to many years before.

Only time will tell which group has whatever it is that appeals to the masses, 
the faux Hindoo certified TMO or the faux Hindoo non-certified but completely 
identical ex-TMO. 

Did you think the age of enlightenment was going to be as entertaining as this?


-Buck

steve.sundur wrote :


Sal, ..  Your strict adherence to everything science has dulled your 
sensitivity to nuance.

You've got that knee jerk, TM bash move down pat.

mjackson74@... wrote :


Sal says they do and their web presence speaks to it as well. But I will defer 
to Sal on this he is in a position to know.


Sal writing:

It's a good question, there are a few teaching in various places, The 
Meditation Trust is probably the best known as they were the guys who quit when 
Marshy put the price up so high it put them out of business. They have a few 
centres and hold courses in a country house where they teach the TMSP too. 

The TM official are always taking legal action against them but there isn't 
much they can do as all the teachers were trained by Marshy. 

I know people who go on their courses, they always tell me that I musn't 
mention it to people in the movement, which says it all about the TMO really. 
The same guy was telling me that someone asked him if it was true that people 
get brainwashed in the TMO, he said of course not. 

Anyway, they seem to be doing well and actually making money out of it which is 
the TM teachers dream, but then they don't have to give half to the TMO. Bad 
feelings about that too I shouldn't wonder.



 From: anartaxius@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Monday, October 13, 2014 10:11 AM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: About Nov.
30



 
Michael: note the highlighted part of my post below. A schism requires that the 
split off group

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: About Nov. 30 and the TM movement

2014-10-14 Thread TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
From: Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] 
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com

To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2014 12:51 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: About Nov. 30 and the TM movement
 


  
Beautifully, beautifully written Sal! Buck just can't stand the thought the 
whole deal was a con, so he grasps at straws.




 From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2014 2:10 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: About Nov. 30 and the TM movement
 

What I find difficult to comprehend is how grown men like Doug/Buck or Steve or 
Lawson or Nabby can *possibly* get their panties so in a twist when someone 
criticizes a group they first identified with 20 to 40 years ago. 

Did these guys just never *grow up*? 

HOW can anyone *possibly* get uptight when someone criticizes a teacher they 
once worked with years ago? Especially one who is (wait for it) DEAD? 

HOW can someone get pissed off when someone criticizes something they *believe* 
in? Don't they *realize* that beliefs are just transitory thoughts, which, like 
thoughts during meditation, should just be ignored as they pass by and not held 
onto? HOW could they possibly be so *attached* to these things they were taught 
to believe in decades ago?

Finally, HOW can they get so uptight when someone such as myself or Salyavin or 
Michael reminds them that THEY JUST AREN'T NEARLY AS IMPORTANT AS THEY THINK 
THEY ARE? There is NO ONE on this forum who has accomplished much of *anything* 
with their lives, as measured by either riches or fame. Certainly no TM TB on 
this forum has ever accomplished much of anything. What is WRONG with reminding 
these people how fuckin' ORDINARY they are? 

It's difficult for people like Doug/Buck or Steve or Lawson or Nabby to make a 
case for TM *not* being a cult when they act so much like cultists. Who ELSE in 
the world acts the way they do OTHER THAN cultists?



---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5@... wrote :


Yea But, the really interesting thing
here is the legal path the old UK TM teachers carve out to continue
to teach in the face of the strong-hand attempt of TM trademark
assertion.. as Sal notes: but
there isn't much they (Vlodrop) can do as all the teachers were
trained by Marshy (Maharishi Mahesh Yogi).  That is interesting.  40,000 TM 
teachers out there in the world
trained by Maharishi Mahesh Yogi and a few hundreds of TM teacher
re-certs.  The new TM legal department sharp-shoots old individuals
continuing to teach TM as they were taught to teach as an infringement but this
particular group of UK scorpion TM teachers stuck together and
withstands the new TM legal department together.  The Maharishi
Foundation (Vlodrop and Vedic City) now keep a trademark infringement law firm 
on
retainer now in the USA as they hunt down old TM teachers teaching
outside the TM teacher re-certification project, a project that came
post Maharishi or at the end to have old teachers come in and sign
papers again restricting their teaching.  Apparently the group of UK
TM teachers exist extra-territorial to new-TM because they stuck
together.  Damned scorpions.

That's so badly written I can't tell if the damned scorpions are the ones 
continuing to teach the way they were taught to, or if they're the re-certified 
legal department trying to stop them.

Given your love of transcending I would have thought you'd just be happy that 
more people are getting the chance to try it. Maybe you get upset because it 
skews the coherence numbers and you know that makes it less likely that the 
Marshy Effect works because there are prolly twice as many people meditating as 
you thought. No need to call for more people in the domes if we should all be 
floating anyway huh?

Or maybe it's because they deprive the national office with money, but you're 
always complaining about the way they run things anyway. And just think, the 
fewer people in the official TMO the fewer there are being conned into forking 
out the readies for the yagya programme or the thousand headed bone-idle mug 
punters who'd be a lot better off getting a job and paying their own way in 
life. 

I remember the first re-certification course, your opinion of it's purpose may 
differ but it seemed like just another way of screwing the faithful out of 
their last few meagre savings. Did you know people were sitting the domes 
crying at the sheer pointless waste of time and money as the bigwigs viciously 
fleeced them in return for astoundingly useful and unique information like how 
to open a bank account? And all so they could continue to practise something 
that they'd paid a fortune and devoted their lives to many years before.

Only time will tell which group has whatever it is that appeals to the masses, 
the faux Hindoo certified TMO or the faux Hindoo non-certified but completely 
identical ex

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: About Nov. 30 and the TM movement

2014-10-14 Thread steve.sun...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
you miss the point Barry.  You are simply a button pusher, with no real 
interest in anything other than trying to get a rise out of people, and assert 
your superior outlook on life.  A funny way to live, but if it brings you some 
modicum of happiness, then stay with it it, I guess. 

 

 

 
 
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote :

 From: Michael Jackson mjackson74@... [FairfieldLife] 
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2014 12:51 PM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: About Nov. 30 and the TM movement
 
 
   Beautifully, beautifully written Sal! Buck just can't stand the thought the 
whole deal was a con, so he grasps at straws.


 From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2014 2:10 AM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: About Nov. 30 and the TM movement
 

 What I find difficult to comprehend is how grown men like Doug/Buck or Steve 
or Lawson or Nabby can *possibly* get their panties so in a twist when someone 
criticizes a group they first identified with 20 to 40 years ago. 

Did these guys just never *grow up*? 

HOW can anyone *possibly* get uptight when someone criticizes a teacher they 
once worked with years ago? Especially one who is (wait for it) DEAD? 

HOW can someone get pissed off when someone criticizes something they *believe* 
in? Don't they *realize* that beliefs are just transitory thoughts, which, like 
thoughts during meditation, should just be ignored as they pass by and not held 
onto? HOW could they possibly be so *attached* to these things they were taught 
to believe in decades ago?

Finally, HOW can they get so uptight when someone such as myself or Salyavin or 
Michael reminds them that THEY JUST AREN'T NEARLY AS IMPORTANT AS THEY THINK 
THEY ARE? There is NO ONE on this forum who has accomplished much of *anything* 
with their lives, as measured by either riches or fame. Certainly no TM TB on 
this forum has ever accomplished much of anything. What is WRONG with reminding 
these people how fuckin' ORDINARY they are? 

It's difficult for people like Doug/Buck or Steve or Lawson or Nabby to make a 
case for TM *not* being a cult when they act so much like cultists. Who ELSE in 
the world acts the way they do OTHER THAN cultists?


 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5@... wrote :

 Yea But, the really interesting thing here is the legal path the old UK TM 
teachers carve out to continue to teach in the face of the strong-hand attempt 
of TM trademark assertion.. as Sal notes: but there isn't much they (Vlodrop) 
can do as all the teachers were trained by Marshy (Maharishi Mahesh Yogi).  
That is interesting. 40,000 TM teachers out there in the world trained by 
Maharishi Mahesh Yogi and a few hundreds of TM teacher re-certs. The new TM 
legal department sharp-shoots old individuals continuing to teach TM as they 
were taught to teach as an infringement but this particular group of UK 
scorpion TM teachers stuck together and withstands the new TM legal department 
together. The Maharishi Foundation (Vlodrop and Vedic City) now keep a 
trademark infringement law firm on retainer now in the USA as they hunt down 
old TM teachers teaching outside the TM teacher re-certification project, a 
project that came post Maharishi or at the end to have old teachers come in and 
sign papers again restricting their teaching. Apparently the group of UK TM 
teachers exist extra-territorial to new-TM because they stuck together. Damned 
scorpions.
 

 That's so badly written I can't tell if the damned scorpions are the ones 
continuing to teach the way they were taught to, or if they're the re-certified 
legal department trying to stop them.
 

 Given your love of transcending I would have thought you'd just be happy that 
more people are getting the chance to try it. Maybe you get upset because it 
skews the coherence numbers and you know that makes it less likely that the 
Marshy Effect works because there are prolly twice as many people meditating as 
you thought. No need to call for more people in the domes if we should all be 
floating anyway huh?
 

 Or maybe it's because they deprive the national office with money, but you're 
always complaining about the way they run things anyway. And just think, the 
fewer people in the official TMO the fewer there are being conned into forking 
out the readies for the yagya programme or the thousand headed bone-idle mug 
punters who'd be a lot better off getting a job and paying their own way in 
life. 
 

 I remember the first re-certification course, your opinion of it's purpose may 
differ but it seemed like just another way of screwing the faithful out of 
their last few meagre savings. Did you know people were sitting the domes 
crying at the sheer pointless waste of time and money as the bigwigs viciously 
fleeced them in return for astoundingly useful and unique

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: About Nov. 30 and the TM movement

2014-10-14 Thread salyavin808

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote :

 Beautifully, beautifully written Sal! Buck just can't stand the thought the 
whole deal was a con, so he grasps at straws.

 

 Funny thing is, I don't say anything that Buck hasn't already said, he doesn't 
like how things are run and quotes a great many of his friends who like TM but 
don't have anything to do with the movement. It's the oldest story there is. 
 

 And it's only the cultish greed and madness of the Maharishi and the TMO that 
drove the indie teachers away in the first place. I know because I was there! 
All they want to do is teach what they think is the best thing on Earth and 
they weren't allowed to because of the high prices and control freakery in 
Vlodrop. So they bailed. 
 

 They think that Marshy lost the plot in his later years and didn't know what 
he was doing, so they continue to teach what they were taught by him when he 
was more compos mentis. All in their opinion of course, but looking at the way 
things went after Scorpionland and the rajas maybe they are on the smart side 
of history, it isn't like any of it has been popular with anyone but the 
hardcore. And it was alienating to the rest of us. 
 

 I honestly thought Buck would be happy about more people learning TM but I 
don't think he is. Go figure.
 

 From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2014 2:10 AM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: About Nov. 30 and the TM movement
 
 
   

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5@... wrote :

 Yea But, the really interesting thing here is the legal path the old UK TM 
teachers carve out to continue to teach in the face of the strong-hand attempt 
of TM trademark assertion.. as Sal notes: but there isn't much they (Vlodrop) 
can do as all the teachers were trained by Marshy (Maharishi Mahesh Yogi).  
That is interesting. 40,000 TM teachers out there in the world trained by 
Maharishi Mahesh Yogi and a few hundreds of TM teacher re-certs. The new TM 
legal department sharp-shoots old individuals continuing to teach TM as they 
were taught to teach as an infringement but this particular group of UK 
scorpion TM teachers stuck together and withstands the new TM legal department 
together. The Maharishi Foundation (Vlodrop and Vedic City) now keep a 
trademark infringement law firm on retainer now in the USA as they hunt down 
old TM teachers teaching outside the TM teacher re-certification project, a 
project that came post Maharishi or at the end to have old teachers come in and 
sign papers again restricting their teaching. Apparently the group of UK TM 
teachers exist extra-territorial to new-TM because they stuck together. Damned 
scorpions.
 

 That's so badly written I can't tell if the damned scorpions are the ones 
continuing to teach the way they were taught to, or if they're the re-certified 
legal department trying to stop them.
 

 Given your love of transcending I would have thought you'd just be happy that 
more people are getting the chance to try it. Maybe you get upset because it 
skews the coherence numbers and you know that makes it less likely that the 
Marshy Effect works because there are prolly twice as many people meditating as 
you thought. No need to call for more people in the domes if we should all be 
floating anyway huh?
 

 Or maybe it's because they deprive the national office with money, but you're 
always complaining about the way they run things anyway. And just think, the 
fewer people in the official TMO the fewer there are being conned into forking 
out the readies for the yagya programme or the thousand headed bone-idle mug 
punters who'd be a lot better off getting a job and paying their own way in 
life. 
 

 I remember the first re-certification course, your opinion of it's purpose may 
differ but it seemed like just another way of screwing the faithful out of 
their last few meagre savings. Did you know people were sitting the domes 
crying at the sheer pointless waste of time and money as the bigwigs viciously 
fleeced them in return for astoundingly useful and unique information like how 
to open a bank account? And all so they could continue to practise something 
that they'd paid a fortune and devoted their lives to many years before.
 

 Only time will tell which group has whatever it is that appeals to the masses, 
the faux Hindoo certified TMO or the faux Hindoo non-certified but completely 
identical ex-TMO. 
 

 Did you think the age of enlightenment was going to be as entertaining as this?
 

 

 -Buck
 

 steve.sundur wrote :
 
 Sal, ..  Your strict adherence to everything science has dulled your 
sensitivity to nuance. 

 You've got that knee jerk, TM bash move down pat.
 

 mjackson74@... wrote : 
 Sal says they do and their web presence speaks to it as well. But I will defer 
to Sal on this he is in a position to know.

 

 Sal writing:
 

 It's a good question, there are a few

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: About Nov. 30 and the TM movement

2014-10-14 Thread TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote :


Beautifully, beautifully written Sal! Buck just can't stand the thought the 
whole deal was a con, so he grasps at straws.


Funny thing is, I don't say anything that Buck hasn't already said, he doesn't 
like how things are run and quotes a great many of his friends who like TM but 
don't have anything to do with the movement. It's the oldest story there is. 

And it's only the cultish greed and madness of the Maharishi and the TMO that 
drove the indie teachers away in the first place. I know because I was there! 
All they want to do is teach what they think is the best thing on Earth and 
they weren't allowed to because of the high prices and control freakery in 
Vlodrop. So they bailed. 

They think that Marshy lost the plot in his later years and didn't know what he 
was doing, so they continue to teach what they were taught by him when he was 
more compos mentis. All in their opinion of course, but looking at the way 
things went after Scorpionland and the rajas maybe they are on the smart side 
of history, it isn't like any of it has been popular with anyone but the 
hardcore. And it was alienating to the rest of us. 

I honestly thought Buck would be happy about more people learning TM but I 
don't think he is. Go figure.

I honestly think that Buck and Nabby and (increasingly) Steve just don't 
respond to positive stimuli any more. They've been cultists for so long that 
the only thing that seems to make them happy is the belief that they're being 
persecuted. Because if they're worth persecuting, they're important.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: About Nov. 30 and the TM movement

2014-10-14 Thread steve.sun...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
sort of a funny comment below, Barry.  again, I think it misses the mark, but 
if that's the way you see it...
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote :

 From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com
 
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote :

 Beautifully, beautifully written Sal! Buck just can't stand the thought the 
whole deal was a con, so he grasps at straws.

 

 Funny thing is, I don't say anything that Buck hasn't already said, he doesn't 
like how things are run and quotes a great many of his friends who like TM but 
don't have anything to do with the movement. It's the oldest story there is. 
 

 And it's only the cultish greed and madness of the Maharishi and the TMO that 
drove the indie teachers away in the first place. I know because I was there! 
All they want to do is teach what they think is the best thing on Earth and 
they weren't allowed to because of the high prices and control freakery in 
Vlodrop. So they bailed. 
 

 They think that Marshy lost the plot in his later years and didn't know what 
he was doing, so they continue to teach what they were taught by him when he 
was more compos mentis. All in their opinion of course, but looking at the way 
things went after Scorpionland and the rajas maybe they are on the smart side 
of history, it isn't like any of it has been popular with anyone but the 
hardcore. And it was alienating to the rest of us. 
 

 I honestly thought Buck would be happy about more people learning TM but I 
don't think he is. Go figure.
 










I honestly think that Buck and Nabby and (increasingly) Steve just don't 
respond to positive stimuli any more. They've been cultists for so long that 
the only thing that seems to make them happy is the belief that they're being 
persecuted. Because if they're worth persecuting, they're important.










Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: About Nov. 30 and the TM movement

2014-10-14 Thread Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
He's not happy about it because in his heart, he identifies with Marshy and the 
legit TMO - after all they are the ones who started it all, and any 
intimation that their crap is crap makes him feel his life's focus is not 
kosher and he like all those who revere cults and their leaders can't take the 
self image bruising that looking objectively at things requires.




 From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2014 8:18 AM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: About Nov. 30 and the TM movement
 


  




---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote :


Beautifully, beautifully written Sal! Buck just can't stand the thought the 
whole deal was a con, so he grasps at straws.


Funny thing is, I don't say anything that Buck hasn't already said, he doesn't 
like how things are run and quotes a great many of his friends who like TM but 
don't have anything to do with the movement. It's the oldest story there is. 

And it's only the cultish greed and madness of the Maharishi and the TMO that 
drove the indie teachers away in the first place. I know because I was there! 
All they want to do is teach what they think is the best thing on Earth and 
they weren't allowed to because of the high prices and control freakery in 
Vlodrop. So they bailed. 

They think that Marshy lost the plot in his later years and didn't know what he 
was doing, so they continue to teach what they were taught by him when he was 
more compos mentis. All in their opinion of course, but looking at the way 
things went after Scorpionland and the rajas maybe they are on the smart side 
of history, it isn't like any of it has been popular with anyone but the 
hardcore. And it was alienating to the rest of us. 

I honestly thought Buck would be happy about more people learning TM but I 
don't think he is. Go figure.



 From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2014 2:10 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: About Nov. 30 and the TM movement



 




---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5@... wrote :


Yea But, the really interesting thing
here is the legal path the old UK TM teachers carve out to continue
to teach in the face of the strong-hand attempt of TM trademark
assertion.. as Sal notes: but
there isn't much they (Vlodrop) can do as all the teachers were
trained by Marshy (Maharishi Mahesh Yogi).  That is interesting.  40,000 TM 
teachers out there in the world
trained by Maharishi Mahesh Yogi and a few hundreds of TM teacher
re-certs.  The new TM legal department sharp-shoots old individuals
continuing to teach TM as they were taught to teach as an infringement but this
particular group of UK scorpion TM teachers stuck together and
withstands the new TM legal department together.  The Maharishi
Foundation (Vlodrop and Vedic City) now keep a trademark infringement law firm 
on
retainer now in the USA as they hunt down old TM teachers teaching
outside the TM teacher re-certification project, a project that came
post Maharishi or at the end to have old teachers come in and sign
papers again restricting their teaching.  Apparently the group of UK
TM teachers exist extra-territorial to new-TM because they stuck
together.  Damned scorpions.

That's so badly written I can't tell if the damned scorpions are the ones 
continuing to teach the way they were taught to, or if they're the re-certified 
legal department trying to stop them.

Given your love of transcending I would have thought you'd just be happy that 
more people are getting the chance to try it. Maybe you get upset because it 
skews the coherence numbers and you know that makes it less likely that the 
Marshy Effect works because there are prolly twice as many people meditating as 
you thought. No need to
call for more people in the domes if we should all be floating anyway huh?

Or maybe it's because they deprive the national office with money, but you're 
always complaining about the way they run things anyway. And just think, the 
fewer people in the official TMO the fewer there are being conned into forking 
out the readies for the yagya programme or the thousand headed bone-idle mug 
punters who'd be a lot better off getting a job and paying their own way in 
life. 

I remember the first re-certification course, your opinion of
it's purpose may differ but it seemed like just another way of screwing the 
faithful out of their last few meagre savings. Did you know people were sitting 
the domes crying at the sheer pointless waste of time and money as the bigwigs 
viciously fleeced them in return for astoundingly useful and unique information 
like how to open a bank account? And all so they could continue to practise 
something that they'd paid a fortune and devoted their lives to many years 
before.

Only time will tell which group has whatever it is that appeals

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: About Nov. 30 and the TM movement

2014-10-14 Thread Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
Like Rick said, with friends like Nappy, the Movement don't need enemies. 




 From: TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] 
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2014 8:24 AM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: About Nov. 30 and the TM movement
 


  
From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote :


Beautifully, beautifully written Sal! Buck just can't stand the thought the 
whole deal was a con, so he grasps at straws.


Funny thing is, I don't say anything that Buck hasn't already said, he doesn't 
like how things are run and quotes a great many of his friends who like TM but 
don't have anything to do with the movement. It's the oldest story there is. 

And it's only the cultish greed and madness of the Maharishi and the TMO that 
drove the indie teachers away in the first place. I know because I was there! 
All they want to do is teach what they think is the best thing on Earth and 
they weren't allowed to because of the high prices and control freakery in 
Vlodrop. So they bailed. 

They think that Marshy lost the plot in his later years and didn't know what he 
was doing, so they continue to teach what they were taught by him when he was 
more compos mentis. All in their opinion of course, but looking at the way 
things went after Scorpionland and the rajas maybe they are on the smart side 
of history, it isn't like any of it has been popular with anyone but the 
hardcore. And it was alienating to the rest of us. 

I honestly thought Buck would be happy about more people learning TM but I 
don't think he is. Go figure.

I honestly think that Buck and Nabby and (increasingly) Steve just don't 
respond to positive stimuli any more. They've been cultists for so long that 
the only thing that seems to make them happy is the belief that they're being 
persecuted. Because if they're worth persecuting, they're important.





Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: About Nov. 30 and the TM movement

2014-10-14 Thread awoelfleba...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote :

 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote :

 Beautifully, beautifully written Sal! Buck just can't stand the thought the 
whole deal was a con, so he grasps at straws.

 

 Funny thing is, I don't say anything that Buck hasn't already said, he doesn't 
like how things are run and quotes a great many of his friends who like TM but 
don't have anything to do with the movement. It's the oldest story there is. 
 

 And it's only the cultish greed and madness of the Maharishi and the TMO that 
drove the indie teachers away in the first place. I know because I was there! 
All they want to do is teach what they think is the best thing on Earth and 
they weren't allowed to because of the high prices and control freakery in 
Vlodrop. So they bailed. 
 

 They think that Marshy lost the plot in his later years and didn't know what 
he was doing, so they continue to teach what they were taught by him when he 
was more compos mentis. All in their opinion of course, but looking at the way 
things went after Scorpionland and the rajas maybe they are on the smart side 
of history, it isn't like any of it has been popular with anyone but the 
hardcore. And it was alienating to the rest of us. 
 

 I honestly thought Buck would be happy about more people learning TM but I 
don't think he is. Go figure.
 

 Nice post, this all makes sense to me. Sorry so many of you had to be around 
for the really crazy years. I bailed back in 1985.
 

 
 




 


 












 




















 


 













Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: About Nov. 30 and the TM movement

2014-10-14 Thread 'Richard J. Williams' pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife]
On 10/14/2014 5:51 AM, Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com 
[FairfieldLife] wrote:
Beautifully, beautifully written Sal! Buck just can't stand the 
thought the whole deal was a con, so he grasps at straws.


/Maybe you are conning Buck, to try and make him think you care about 
any of the MUM students or staff.//I guess if there were any complaints 
they would post them on the secret MUM Facebook page. Go figure./





*From:* salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com
*To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
*Sent:* Tuesday, October 14, 2014 2:10 AM
*Subject:* [FairfieldLife] Re: About Nov. 30 and the TM movement




---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5@... wrote :

Yea But, the really interesting thing here is the legal path the old 
UK TM teachers carve out to continue to teach in the face of the 
strong-hand attempt of TM trademark assertion.. as Sal notes: but 
there isn't much they (Vlodrop) can do as all the teachers were 
trained by Marshy (Maharishi Mahesh Yogi). That is interesting. 40,000 
TM teachers out there in the world trained by Maharishi Mahesh Yogi 
and a few hundreds of TM teacher re-certs. The new TM legal department 
sharp-shoots old individuals continuing to teach TM as they were 
taught to teach as an infringement but this particular group of UK 
scorpion TM teachers stuck together and withstands the new TM legal 
department together. The Maharishi Foundation (Vlodrop and Vedic City) 
now keep a trademark infringement law firm on retainer now in the USA 
as they hunt down old TM teachers teaching outside the TM teacher 
re-certification project, a project that came post Maharishi or at the 
end to have old teachers come in and sign papers again restricting 
their teaching. Apparently the group of UK TM teachers exist 
extra-territorial to new-TM because they stuck together. Damned scorpions.


That's so badly written I can't tell if the damned scorpions are the 
ones continuing to teach the way they were taught to, or if they're 
the re-certified legal department trying to stop them.


Given your love of transcending I would have thought you'd just be 
happy that more people are getting the chance to try it. Maybe you get 
upset because it skews the coherence numbers and you know that makes 
it less likely that the Marshy Effect works because there are prolly 
twice as many people meditating as you thought. No need to call for 
more people in the domes if we should all be floating anyway huh?


Or maybe it's because they deprive the national office with money, but 
you're always complaining about the way they run things anyway. And 
just think, the fewer people in the official TMO the fewer there are 
being conned into forking out the readies for the yagya programme or 
the thousand headed bone-idle mug punters who'd be a lot better off 
getting a job and paying their own way in life.


I remember the first re-certification course, your opinion of it's 
purpose may differ but it seemed like just another way of screwing the 
faithful out of their last few meagre savings. Did you know people 
were sitting the domes crying at the sheer pointless waste of time and 
money as the bigwigs viciously fleeced them in return for astoundingly 
useful and unique information like how to open a bank account? And all 
so they could continue to practise something that they'd paid a 
fortune and devoted their lives to many years before.


Only time will tell which group has whatever it is that appeals to the 
masses, the faux Hindoo certified TMO or the faux Hindoo non-certified 
but completely identical ex-TMO.


Did you think the age of enlightenment was going to be as entertaining 
as this?



-Buck

steve.sundur wrote :

Sal, ..  Your strict adherence to everything science has dulled your 
sensitivity to nuance.


You've got that knee jerk, TM bash move down pat.

mjackson74@... wrote :

Sal says they do and their web presence speaks to it as well. But I 
will defer to Sal on this he is in a position to know.


Sal writing:

It's a good question, there are a few teaching in various places, The 
Meditation Trust is probably the best known as they were the guys who 
quit when Marshy put the price up so high it put them out of business. 
They have a few centres and hold courses in a country house where they 
teach the TMSP too.


The TM official are always taking legal action against them but there 
isn't much they can do as all the teachers were trained by Marshy.


I know people who go on their courses, they always tell me that I 
musn't mention it to people in the movement, which says it all about 
the TMO really. The same guy was telling me that someone asked him if 
it was true that people get brainwashed in the TMO, he said of course 
not.


Anyway, they seem to be doing well and actually making money out of it 
which is the TM teachers dream, but then they don't have to give half 
to the TMO. Bad feelings about

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: About Nov. 30 and the TM movement

2014-10-14 Thread 'Richard J. Williams' pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife]

On 10/14/2014 7:10 AM, steve.sun...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote:


you miss the point Barry.  You are simply a button pusher, with no 
real interest in anything other than trying to get a rise out of 
people, and assert your superior outlook on life.




/One of the things I've noticed is that some military brats like Barry 
have a superior attitude - it's a defensive response when they go into 
dissociation - living in strange circumstances with strangers all around 
speaking a different language. Sometimes it makes them feel real small 
and insignificant.


Sometimes the paranoia sets in and an expat can feel threatened - 
wondering what people are saying about them in a foreign language - or 
maybe an expat imagines that girls don't like his face.


/
//This is not uncommon - sometimes the brats get real lonely late at 
night and so they go on social media and Facebook to talk to old friends 
about the good old days - when they were somebody, even in their own 
minds. /
Sometimes they go through withdrawal - not communicating at social 
events - sitting alone at a table at a cafe working an iPhone or on a 
laptop computer up in their bedroom. It's a call for help before they 
enter total cognitive dissonance and slip into nihilism and despair. 
Let's hope Barry doesn't slip on the razor's edge.


You can tell when someone is old when they talk more about the past than 
their future./




A funny way to live, but if it brings you some modicum of happiness, 
then stay with it it, I guess.




/Some people just feel better when they have someone to talk to. It's 
not complicated./




---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote :

*From:* Michael Jackson mjackson74@... [FairfieldLife] 
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com

*To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
*Sent:* Tuesday, October 14, 2014 12:51 PM
*Subject:* Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: About Nov. 30 and the TM movement

Beautifully, beautifully written Sal! Buck just can't stand the 
thought the whole deal was a con, so he grasps at straws.



*From:* salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com
*To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
*Sent:* Tuesday, October 14, 2014 2:10 AM
*Subject:* [FairfieldLife] Re: About Nov. 30 and the TM movement

What I find difficult to comprehend is how grown men like Doug/Buck or 
Steve or Lawson or Nabby can *possibly* get their panties so in a 
twist when someone criticizes a group they first identified with 20 to 
40 years ago.


Did these guys just never *grow up*?

HOW can anyone *possibly* get uptight when someone criticizes a 
teacher they once worked with years ago? Especially one who is (wait 
for it) DEAD?


HOW can someone get pissed off when someone criticizes something they 
*believe* in? Don't they *realize* that beliefs are just transitory 
thoughts, which, like thoughts during meditation, should just be 
ignored as they pass by and not held onto? HOW could they possibly be 
so *attached* to these things they were taught to believe in decades ago?


Finally, HOW can they get so uptight when someone such as myself or 
Salyavin or Michael reminds them that THEY JUST AREN'T NEARLY AS 
IMPORTANT AS THEY THINK THEY ARE? There is NO ONE on this forum who 
has accomplished much of *anything* with their lives, as measured by 
either riches or fame. Certainly no TM TB on this forum has ever 
accomplished much of anything. What is WRONG with reminding these 
people how fuckin' ORDINARY they are?


It's difficult for people like Doug/Buck or Steve or Lawson or Nabby 
to make a case for TM *not* being a cult when they act so much like 
cultists. Who ELSE in the world acts the way they do OTHER THAN cultists?



---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5@... wrote :

Yea But, the really interesting thing here is the legal path the old 
UK TM teachers carve out to continue to teach in the face of the 
strong-hand attempt of TM trademark assertion.. as Sal notes: but 
there isn't much they (Vlodrop) can do as all the teachers were 
trained by Marshy (Maharishi Mahesh Yogi). That is interesting. 40,000 
TM teachers out there in the world trained by Maharishi Mahesh Yogi 
and a few hundreds of TM teacher re-certs. The new TM legal department 
sharp-shoots old individuals continuing to teach TM as they were 
taught to teach as an infringement but this particular group of UK 
scorpion TM teachers stuck together and withstands the new TM legal 
department together. The Maharishi Foundation (Vlodrop and Vedic City) 
now keep a trademark infringement law firm on retainer now in the USA 
as they hunt down old TM teachers teaching outside the TM teacher 
re-certification project, a project that came post Maharishi or at the 
end to have old teachers come in and sign papers again restricting 
their teaching. Apparently the group of UK TM teachers exist 
extra-territorial to new-TM because they stuck together. Damned scorpions

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: About Nov. 30 and the TM movement

2014-10-14 Thread Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
thanks for these insights, Richard. 



On Tuesday, October 14, 2014 10:06 AM, 'Richard J. Williams' 
pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote:
 


  
On 10/14/2014 7:10 AM, steve.sun...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote:

  
you miss the point Barry.  You are simply a button pusher, with no real 
interest in anything other than trying to get a rise out of people, and assert 
your superior outlook on life.  


One of the things I've noticed is that some military brats like Barry have a 
superior attitude - it's a defensive response when they go into dissociation - 
living in strange circumstances with strangers all around speaking a different 
language. Sometimes it makes them feel real small and insignificant. 

Sometimes the paranoia sets in and an expat can feel threatened -
  wondering what people are saying about them in a foreign language
  - or maybe an expat imagines that girls don't like his face. 


This is not uncommon - sometimes the brats get real lonely late at night and so 
they go on social media and Facebook to talk to old friends about the good old 
days - when they were somebody, even in their own minds. 
Sometimes they go through withdrawal - not communicating at social
  events - sitting alone at a table at a cafe working an iPhone or
  on a laptop computer up in their bedroom. It's a call for help
  before they enter total cognitive dissonance and slip into
  nihilism and despair. Let's hope Barry doesn't slip on the razor's
  edge.

You can tell when someone is old when they talk more about the
  past than their future.


A funny way to live, but if it brings you some modicum of happiness, then stay 
with it it, I guess.

Some people just feel better when they have someone to talk to. It's not 
complicated.




---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote :


From: Michael Jackson mjackson74@... [FairfieldLife] 
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com

To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2014 12:51 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: About Nov. 30 and the TM movement



  
Beautifully, beautifully written Sal! Buck just can't stand the thought the 
whole deal was a con, so he grasps at straws.




 From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2014 2:10 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: About Nov. 30 and the TM movement


What I find difficult to comprehend is how grown men like Doug/Buck or Steve 
or Lawson or Nabby can *possibly* get their panties so in a twist when someone 
criticizes a group they first identified with 20 to 40 years ago. 

Did these guys
  just never
  *grow up*? 

HOW can anyone
  *possibly* get
  uptight when
  someone
  criticizes a
  teacher they
  once worked
  with years
  ago?
  Especially one
  who is (wait
  for it) DEAD? 

HOW can
  someone get
  pissed off
  when someone
  criticizes
  something they
  *believe* in?
  Don't they
  *realize* that
  beliefs are
  just
  transitory
  thoughts,
  which, like
  thoughts
  during
  meditation,
  should just be
  ignored as
  they pass

[FairfieldLife] Re: About Nov. 30 and the TM movement

2014-10-14 Thread dhamiltony...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
Om.. and would bet that someone from this law firm also specializing in 
trademark enforcement is going to at least watch the Hammond Nov. 30 TM video 
link, if not be there at the meeting:
 
 
 Mark L. Zaiger - Shuttleworth  Ingersoll 
http://www.shuttleworthlaw.com/attorneydetail.cfm?id=68
 
 
 Mark L. Zaiger - Shuttleworth  Ingersoll 
http://www.shuttleworthlaw.com/attorneydetail.cfm?id=68 Mark L. Zaiger is an 
Attorney and Senior Vice President at SI whose practice focuses on labor and 
employment law, commercial litigation, trade secrets, non-compete cases and 
federal court litigation. Mark was named the Best Lawyers’ Cedar Rapids 
Employment Law - Manag...
 
 
 
 View on www.shuttleworthlaw.com 
http://www.shuttleworthlaw.com/attorneydetail.cfm?id=68 
 Preview by Yahoo 
 
 
 

 

 

 Teaching TM independently, like the UK way:
 In the UK, as Sal says:
 The TM official are always taking legal action against them but there isn't 
much they can do as all the teachers were trained by Marshy.

 

 In the USA:
 “But Knoles declined and largely defended his biography. His attorney said he 
did learn under the Maharishi, was personally awarded an honorary doctorate by 
him, and had become an acclaimed teacher of yoga by age 20.
 Oddly enough, the foundation hasn't sued Knoles, for strategic reasons Zaiger 
said were confidential. Instead, it filed a lawsuit in 2011 against The 
Meditation House, an Iowa corporation owned by life coach Jules Green, who 
promotes Vedic Meditation on her website.
 The lawsuit seeks an order preventing Green from mentioning transcendental 
meditation studies in her advertising,”
 
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2013/01/20/legal-feud-over-teaching-transcendental-meditation-technique-is-anything-but/
 
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2013/01/20/legal-feud-over-teaching-transcendental-meditation-technique-is-anything-but/
 

 Yea But, the really interesting thing here is the legal path the old UK TM 
teachers carve out to continue to teach in the face of the strong-hand attempt 
of TM trademark assertion.. as Sal notes: but there isn't much they (Vlodrop) 
can do as all the teachers were trained by Marshy (Maharishi Mahesh Yogi).  
That is interesting.  
 

 40,000 TM teachers out there in the world trained by Maharishi Mahesh Yogi and 
a few hundreds of TM teacher re-certs. The new TM legal department sharp-shoots 
old individuals continuing to teach TM as they were taught to teach as an 
infringement but this particular group of UK scorpion TM teachers stuck 
together and withstands the new TM legal department together. The Maharishi 
Foundation (Vlodrop and Vedic City) now keep a trademark infringement law firm 
on retainer now in the USA as they hunt down old TM teachers teaching outside 
the TM teacher re-certification project, a project that came post Maharishi or 
at the end to have old teachers come in and sign papers again restricting their 
teaching. Apparently the group of UK TM teachers exist extra-territorial to 
new-TM because they stuck together. Damned scorpions.
 -Buck
 

 steve.sundur wrote :
 
 Sal, ..  Your strict adherence to everything science has dulled your 
sensitivity to nuance. 

 You've got that knee jerk, TM bash move down pat.
 

 mjackson74@... wrote : 
 Sal says they do and their web presence speaks to it as well. But I will defer 
to Sal on this he is in a position to know.

 

 Sal writing:
 

 It's a good question, there are a few teaching in various places, The 
Meditation Trust is probably the best known as they were the guys who quit when 
Marshy put the price up so high it put them out of business. They have a few 
centres and hold courses in a country house where they teach the TMSP too. 
 

 The TM official are always taking legal action against them but there isn't 
much they can do as all the teachers were trained by Marshy. 
 

 I know people who go on their courses, they always tell me that I musn't 
mention it to people in the movement, which says it all about the TMO really. 
The same guy was telling me that someone asked him if it was true that people 
get brainwashed in the TMO, he said of course not. 
 

 Anyway, they seem to be doing well and actually making money out of it which 
is the TM teachers dream, but then they don't have to give half to the TMO. Bad 
feelings about that too I shouldn't wonder.
 

 From: anartaxius@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Monday, October 13, 2014 10:11 AM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: About Nov. 30
 
 
   Michael: note the highlighted part of my post below. A schism requires that 
the split off group has a coherent organization. I don't know if the initiators 
in England have this.

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote :

 the Movement already split - don't forget the renegade initiators in England

 

 From: anartaxius@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Monday, 

[FairfieldLife] Re: About Nov. 30 and the TM movement

2014-10-13 Thread dhamiltony...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
Teaching TM independently, like the UK way:
 In the UK, as Sal says:
 The TM official are always taking legal action against them but there isn't 
much they can do as all the teachers were trained by Marshy.

 

 In the USA:
 “But Knoles declined and largely defended his biography. His attorney said he 
did learn under the Maharishi, was personally awarded an honorary doctorate by 
him, and had become an acclaimed teacher of yoga by age 20. 
 Oddly enough, the foundation hasn't sued Knoles, for strategic reasons Zaiger 
said were confidential. Instead, it filed a lawsuit in 2011 against The 
Meditation House, an Iowa corporation owned by life coach Jules Green, who 
promotes Vedic Meditation on her website.
 The lawsuit seeks an order preventing Green from mentioning transcendental 
meditation studies in her advertising,”
 
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2013/01/20/legal-feud-over-teaching-transcendental-meditation-technique-is-anything-but/
 
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2013/01/20/legal-feud-over-teaching-transcendental-meditation-technique-is-anything-but/
 

 Yea But, the really interesting thing here is the legal path the old UK TM 
teachers carve out to continue to teach in the face of the strong-hand attempt 
of TM trademark assertion.. as Sal notes: but there isn't much they (Vlodrop) 
can do as all the teachers were trained by Marshy (Maharishi Mahesh Yogi).  
That is interesting.  
 

 40,000 TM teachers out there in the world trained by Maharishi Mahesh Yogi and 
a few hundreds of TM teacher re-certs. The new TM legal department sharp-shoots 
old individuals continuing to teach TM as they were taught to teach as an 
infringement but this particular group of UK scorpion TM teachers stuck 
together and withstands the new TM legal department together. The Maharishi 
Foundation (Vlodrop and Vedic City) now keep a trademark infringement law firm 
on retainer now in the USA as they hunt down old TM teachers teaching outside 
the TM teacher re-certification project, a project that came post Maharishi or 
at the end to have old teachers come in and sign papers again restricting their 
teaching. Apparently the group of UK TM teachers exist extra-territorial to 
new-TM because they stuck together. Damned scorpions.
 -Buck
 

 steve.sundur wrote :
 
 Sal, ..  Your strict adherence to everything science has dulled your 
sensitivity to nuance. 

 You've got that knee jerk, TM bash move down pat.
 

 mjackson74@... wrote : 
 Sal says they do and their web presence speaks to it as well. But I will defer 
to Sal on this he is in a position to know.

 

 Sal writing:
 

 It's a good question, there are a few teaching in various places, The 
Meditation Trust is probably the best known as they were the guys who quit when 
Marshy put the price up so high it put them out of business. They have a few 
centres and hold courses in a country house where they teach the TMSP too. 
 

 The TM official are always taking legal action against them but there isn't 
much they can do as all the teachers were trained by Marshy. 
 

 I know people who go on their courses, they always tell me that I musn't 
mention it to people in the movement, which says it all about the TMO really. 
The same guy was telling me that someone asked him if it was true that people 
get brainwashed in the TMO, he said of course not. 
 

 Anyway, they seem to be doing well and actually making money out of it which 
is the TM teachers dream, but then they don't have to give half to the TMO. Bad 
feelings about that too I shouldn't wonder.
 

 From: anartaxius@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Monday, October 13, 2014 10:11 AM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: About Nov. 30
 
 
   Michael: note the highlighted part of my post below. A schism requires that 
the split off group has a coherent organization. I don't know if the initiators 
in England have this.

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote :

 the Movement already split - don't forget the renegade initiators in England

 

 From: anartaxius@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Monday, October 13, 2014 8:56 AM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: About Nov. 30
 
 
   Species, Corporations, Religions, Cults, as is the nature of change, always, 
if they persist, break apart or become extinct. A schism is always eventually 
in the cards for the TM movement. It is said shortly after his death, the 
followers of Buddha broke into some two dozen different sects. You can see how 
Christianity split over time. There seem to be fewer splits among Muslims, 
perhaps a reflection of the dark ferocity of their memes. The Mormons, barely a 
religion after 150 years, have split six times. And look at all the different 
Hindu flavours. It is almost a no-brainer prediction that the TM movement will 
at some point split. *Already there are many teachers in various countries 
teaching outside the